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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10560 on: July 16, 2018, 12:26:47 PM »
Fox news on a TV at the gym. No sound. But there are a lot of frowny faces. They must be dreading how to spin this one.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10561 on: July 16, 2018, 12:28:15 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on July 16, 2018, 12:18:54 PM
I wonder what Trump's supporters think of it, the regular people, not the politicians. There hasn't been much of anything they have been willing to speak out against.

I think most of them agree that Russia at least attempted to interfere witht the election, but don't believe there was any collusion.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10562 on: July 16, 2018, 01:22:45 PM »
If they believe Russia interfered, how do they reconcile god king trump saying there was no interference because Putin aid there wasn't?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10563 on: July 16, 2018, 01:31:58 PM »
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If they believe Russia interfered, how do they reconcile god king trump saying there was no interference because Putin aid there wasn't?

Ask them lol.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10564 on: July 16, 2018, 01:46:00 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/maria-butina-russian-gun-rights-advocate-charged-in-us-with-acting-as-russian-federation-agent/2018/07/16/d1d4832a-8929-11e8-85ae-511bc1146b0b_story.html?

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A Russian national with alleged ties to a top Russian official was charged in federal court in Washington Monday with conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation, and was ordered held without bond.

Maria Butina, 29, was arrested Sunday in the District and made her first appearance in U.S. District Court before Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson. Her attorney, Robert Neil Driscoll, told the judge that Butina’s residence was searched by the FBI in April, that she had testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee in a closed session several months ago, and that “we have been offering to cooperate with the government the entire time.”

Butina did not speak during the brief hearing other than to state her name. A detention hearing and preliminary hearing were set for Wednesday.

The charges against Butina come days after the Justice Department unveiled an indictment against 12 Russian intelligence officers for allegedly conspiring to hack Democrats in 2016 and just hours after President Trump cast doubt on Russia’s involvement in an extraordinary joint news conference with President Putin.

The Russian witch hunt continues.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10565 on: July 16, 2018, 02:06:59 PM »
Mr. Putin offered to have Russian intelligence agencies work with their American counterparts on the election meddling case — “an incredible offer,” Mr. Trump said.

Oh.  Okay.  It makes sense.  They have the most knowledge on the subject than anyone.

Are his supporters seriously this fucking stupid?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10566 on: July 16, 2018, 02:13:00 PM »
Quote from: Crouton on July 16, 2018, 02:06:59 PM
Mr. Putin offered to have Russian intelligence agencies work with their American counterparts on the election meddling case — “an incredible offer,” Mr. Trump said.

Oh.  Okay.  It makes sense.  They have the most knowledge on the subject than anyone.

Are his supporters seriously this fucking stupid?

Do you think they care? Even a little bit?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10567 on: July 16, 2018, 02:15:58 PM »
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Mr. Putin offered to have Russian intelligence agencies work with their American counterparts on the election meddling case — “an incredible offer,” Mr. Trump said.

Oh.  Okay.  It makes sense.  They have the most knowledge on the subject than anyone.

Are his supporters seriously this fucking stupid?

It's no secret Putin would have 'preferred' Trump over Clinton. However if Ruskis did meddle, could they not have meddled without Putins blessing, knowledge or go ahead?

There could be a few Oligarchs over there that could have taken it upon themselves because they thought it would be more profitable for them if Trump was in

There is more evidence that FACEBOOK did more to meddle in the election. Why isn't Mr Fuckaberg being sanctioned?

Also, what do people seriously expect to come from a 90 minute meeting? At least now both parties are walking away with a dialogue that's a little less icy. I know Hillary supporters really want another war but damn, Russia is not a plaything.

Why is everyone so hung up about their own petty propaganda? "OH NO Putin and Kim Jong Un walks away looking better and stronger than Trump after the meetings!! This is treasonous of Trump!!!'

FFS who gives a shit. At least we aren't dropping bombs on each other. Who gives a fuck what each countries propaganda machine comes up with spinning it to make their leaders look the best
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10568 on: July 16, 2018, 02:26:38 PM »
Mr. Fuckaberg is a US citizen, Facebook is a US entity, Facebook did not use illegal tactics to obtain any information such as emails. The fact that Trump is ready and willing to placate our enemies and non-friendly countries yet attacks our allies is alarming to me.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10569 on: July 16, 2018, 02:40:53 PM »
"Trump refuses to denounce Putin over election meddling at summit, blames 'both countries'"
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/putin-told-trump-russia-never-meddled-in-us-election.html

Easily the most hillarious thing I've ever heared from a president
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10570 on: July 16, 2018, 03:19:34 PM »
Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 16, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Mr. Fuckaberg is a US citizen, Facebook is a US entity, Facebook did not use illegal tactics to obtain any information such as emails. The fact that Trump is ready and willing to placate our enemies and non-friendly countries yet attacks our allies is alarming to me.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The Euro Zone is like family. You can hang shit on them and they will still be there when you need them. Russia, China, North Korea etc are like work colleagues you don't want to piss off. Placating them to get better relations is the only way to get better relations

I'm sure you would easier bicker and argue with your family members because you know deep down the relationship will not be broken and you will never reach a point where its war. But I bet you wouldn't arc up as easy to a random stranger, your neighbour or your boss etc.

Trump can call the UK or Germany leaders, stupid and enemies of America. It wont fundamentally change a thing. No one will go to war over it and they will still smile and shake hands. We saw how dangerous it was when Trump was saying that about Kim Jong Un. At least after 'placating' Mr Un, there hasn't been further escalation and threats of hellfire and annihilation.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10571 on: July 16, 2018, 03:36:37 PM »
Donald needs to listen to Michael:
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10572 on: July 16, 2018, 03:58:30 PM »
I have refrained from saying this before, and I don't say this lightly now. Traitor.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10573 on: July 16, 2018, 04:04:03 PM »


Holy fuck.  Rand Paul has really drunk the kool-aid.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10574 on: July 16, 2018, 04:32:54 PM »
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I have refrained from saying this before, and I don't say this lightly now. Traitor.

^Triggered LOL
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10575 on: July 16, 2018, 04:39:53 PM »
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Holy fuck.  Rand Paul has really drunk the kool-aid.

Wow, that's really sad. I used to have a modicum of respect for him.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10576 on: July 16, 2018, 05:00:28 PM »
So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket,   wasn't that obvious to the Republicans before now?,  I don't believe Ryan is stupid, but he is complicit and jumping ship before it hits the rocks.

The people who will go down the hardest are the enablers, like Ryan and McConnell.   Maybe the cheer squad like Sanders and Hannity will get off with a bit of spin?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10577 on: July 16, 2018, 05:13:14 PM »
Nothing McConnell does seems to make a difference to his voters. I imagine he'll be fine. Also, isn't Ryan retiring after this term?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10578 on: July 16, 2018, 06:40:09 PM »
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So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket,   wasn't that obvious to the Republicans before now?

At this point, it doesn't even matter if he is somehow compromised by Putin. The problem is that he is completely shirking his responsibility to America in favor of another country. Blatantly and openly.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10579 on: July 16, 2018, 06:53:29 PM »
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So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket

Have to take the good with the bad. It sure beats all out war with Putin dropping atomic bombs on each other. At this stage, that is probably the best. We have to wait until nature assassinates Putin and a new, more progressive style leader takes over Russia. Putin is of the old KGB and USSR mentality. Whoever replaces him will most likely be younger and may never have ever lived during the KGB or USSR days.

Just ride it out. An embarrassing, bafooning oaf masquerading as a President may be a bitter pill, but not as bitter as all out war. I know you LOVE my 'BUT HIILLAAARRREEEEE and 'what aboutisms' but lets face it. Hillary would have given you guys a war with Russia

Tell me, would you rather Trump conning as President? Or WW3 with Pantsuit Hillary?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10580 on: July 16, 2018, 07:03:54 PM »
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So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket

Have to take the good with the bad. It sure beats all out war with Putin dropping atomic bombs on each other. At this stage, that is probably the best. We have to wait until nature assassinates Putin and a new, more progressive style leader takes over Russia. Putin is of the old KGB and USSR mentality. Whoever replaces him will most likely be younger and may never have ever lived during the KGB or USSR days.

Just ride it out. An embarrassing, bafooning oaf masquerading as a President may be a bitter pill, but not as bitter as all out war. I know you LOVE my 'BUT HIILLAAARRREEEEE and 'what aboutisms' but lets face it. Hillary would have given you guys a war with Russia

Tell me, would you rather Trump conning as President? Or WW3 with Pantsuit Hillary?

Lol. I like how the only way to justify Trump nowadays is to imagine that nuclear war is the only alternative. I appreciate you Shifter, never forget that.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10581 on: July 16, 2018, 07:11:19 PM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10582 on: July 16, 2018, 07:19:25 PM »
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Quote from: JerkFace on July 16, 2018, 05:00:28 PM
So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket

Have to take the good with the bad. It sure beats all out war with Putin dropping atomic bombs on each other. At this stage, that is probably the best. We have to wait until nature assassinates Putin and a new, more progressive style leader takes over Russia. Putin is of the old KGB and USSR mentality. Whoever replaces him will most likely be younger and may never have ever lived during the KGB or USSR days.

Just ride it out. An embarrassing, bafooning oaf masquerading as a President may be a bitter pill, but not as bitter as all out war. I know you LOVE my 'BUT HIILLAAARRREEEEE and 'what aboutisms' but lets face it. Hillary would have given you guys a war with Russia

Tell me, would you rather Trump conning as President? Or WW3 with Pantsuit Hillary?

Lol. I like how the only way to justify Trump nowadays is to imagine that nuclear war is the only alternative. I appreciate you Shifter, never forget that.


lol believe it or not, it is a far more likely scenario that we would be in combat with Russia with Hillary at the helm than with Trump. Politics sucks, but if we can ride out Russia with Trump only embarrassing us until nature takes care of Putin, our world will be much better off.

Under Trump, all you have to worry about is being embarrassed. Big deal.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10583 on: July 16, 2018, 07:47:51 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 16, 2018, 07:19:25 PM
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Quote from: Shifter on July 16, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
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So Trump is a corrupt con-man who is in Putin's pocket

Have to take the good with the bad. It sure beats all out war with Putin dropping atomic bombs on each other. At this stage, that is probably the best. We have to wait until nature assassinates Putin and a new, more progressive style leader takes over Russia. Putin is of the old KGB and USSR mentality. Whoever replaces him will most likely be younger and may never have ever lived during the KGB or USSR days.

Just ride it out. An embarrassing, bafooning oaf masquerading as a President may be a bitter pill, but not as bitter as all out war. I know you LOVE my 'BUT HIILLAAARRREEEEE and 'what aboutisms' but lets face it. Hillary would have given you guys a war with Russia

Tell me, would you rather Trump conning as President? Or WW3 with Pantsuit Hillary?

Lol. I like how the only way to justify Trump nowadays is to imagine that nuclear war is the only alternative. I appreciate you Shifter, never forget that.


lol believe it or not, it is a far more likely scenario that we would be in combat with Russia with Hillary at the helm than with Trump. Politics sucks, but if we can ride out Russia with Trump only embarrassing us until nature takes care of Putin, our world will be much better off.

Under Trump, all you have to worry about is being embarrassed. Big deal.

That's actually somewhat right. The Trump administration is incapable of going to a real war, even against Iran, because of its weak international standing.

Also a divided West is a great thing, it hastens the decline of the white race to give rise to the glorious era of the Second Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. This time under Malaysian leadership of course.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10584 on: July 16, 2018, 07:49:31 PM »
I am sure there was no Trump collusion...I doubt anyone in his campaign even requested anything, nor has their been any proof.

A few people that posted fake news articles on Facebook and Twitter for dumb ass gullible people to fall for...wow, stop the presses. Not to mention these dumb ass gullible people would have had to been somewhere in the center, as this election campaign definitely showed us people's minds was damn near impossible to change if there already had the position of left or right.

Hillary was already talking the beginning of war with Russia early in the campaign....so yes, I would much rather have a couple people posting fake news stories than a war.

Also, has it been proven who actually funded these couple people?? Not to mention I would be surprised if they swayed even one person's mind.


Also, just fyi, we as Americans have no room to talk. Countries pray to what ever god they believe in that we only post a few news stories if we don't like their leader....instead we invade countries and kill millions upon millions of people all while claiming to be the "good guys"....we have no room to talk
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10585 on: July 16, 2018, 08:04:14 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 16, 2018, 07:19:25 PM
Politics sucks, but if we can ride out Russia with Trump only embarrassing us until nature takes care of Putin, our world will be much better off.

Under Trump, all you have to worry about is being embarrassed. Big deal.
If you think that being embarrassed isn't that big of a deal and is all that we have to worry about, then you really don't understand world politics.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10586 on: July 16, 2018, 08:18:39 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 16, 2018, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 16, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Mr. Fuckaberg is a US citizen, Facebook is a US entity, Facebook did not use illegal tactics to obtain any information such as emails. The fact that Trump is ready and willing to placate our enemies and non-friendly countries yet attacks our allies is alarming to me.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The Euro Zone is like family. You can hang shit on them and they will still be there when you need them. Russia, China, North Korea etc are like work colleagues you don't want to piss off. Placating them to get better relations is the only way to get better relations

I'm sure you would easier bicker and argue with your family members because you know deep down the relationship will not be broken and you will never reach a point where its war. But I bet you wouldn't arc up as easy to a random stranger, your neighbour or your boss etc.

Trump can call the UK or Germany leaders, stupid and enemies of America. It wont fundamentally change a thing. No one will go to war over it and they will still smile and shake hands. We saw how dangerous it was when Trump was saying that about Kim Jong Un. At least after 'placating' Mr Un, there hasn't been further escalation and threats of hellfire and annihilation.
You can meet and be pleasant with our enemies without having to go out and call our allies "enemies of America."  Those are not mutually exclusive positions to hold.  Alienating our allies serves no purpose for the US.  At this point, Trump is basically sidelining America on foreign relations, trade, and world economics, leaving security the only place the US is still the world leader.  History has shown that very bad things happen when the US isn't leading the pack and guiding the other nations.  We are close to having that happen because we want to call our allies enemies instead.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10587 on: July 16, 2018, 08:22:53 PM »
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Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 16, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Mr. Fuckaberg is a US citizen, Facebook is a US entity, Facebook did not use illegal tactics to obtain any information such as emails. The fact that Trump is ready and willing to placate our enemies and non-friendly countries yet attacks our allies is alarming to me.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The Euro Zone is like family. You can hang shit on them and they will still be there when you need them. Russia, China, North Korea etc are like work colleagues you don't want to piss off. Placating them to get better relations is the only way to get better relations

I'm sure you would easier bicker and argue with your family members because you know deep down the relationship will not be broken and you will never reach a point where its war. But I bet you wouldn't arc up as easy to a random stranger, your neighbour or your boss etc.

Trump can call the UK or Germany leaders, stupid and enemies of America. It wont fundamentally change a thing. No one will go to war over it and they will still smile and shake hands. We saw how dangerous it was when Trump was saying that about Kim Jong Un. At least after 'placating' Mr Un, there hasn't been further escalation and threats of hellfire and annihilation.
You can meet and be pleasant with our enemies without having to go out and call our allies "enemies of America."  Those are not mutually exclusive positions to hold.  Alienating our allies serves no purpose for the US.  At this point, Trump is basically sidelining America on foreign relations, trade, and world economics, leaving security the only place the US is still the world leader.  History has shown that very bad things happen when the US isn't leading the pack and guiding the other nations.  We are close to having that happen because we want to call our allies enemies instead.

Trumps presidency is temporary. It is ordained in your constitution. Any ally worth their salt wont be bothered by Trump (and America) in the long term.

You give yourselves too much credit. By you 'leading the pack' are you talking about the Iraq/Middle East invasion? Yeah, fat lot of good that did the world.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10588 on: July 16, 2018, 08:31:31 PM »
NAFTA, NATO, UN, the US pretty much lead the charge to create each of these multi-country groups.  There were 2 world wars prior to the US involvement in world affairs, there have been 0 since.  I feel pretty confident in saying that America pretty much has the reins of the world.  That being said, you underestimate just how horrendous our populace is, we will have Trump until 2024.  That is a long time for any nation to endure being called the enemy of our country and treated with such disdain and disrespect, while true enemy nations are treated to hot towel treatments as we kiss their feet for meeting with us.  In case you missed it today, Trump literally told an unfriendly nation, who his own intel departments have accused of election meddling (not just Obama's people, but even the people he has installed), that he believes this unfriendly nation over his own countrymen because the unfriendly leader "strongly said he didn't do it."  That's so far outside of okay.  He might as well tell the CIA, FBI, and NSA agents to pack up shop and shutdown all operations, because they are useless to him.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #10589 on: July 16, 2018, 08:41:25 PM »
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NAFTA, NATO, UN, the US pretty much lead the charge to create each of these multi-country groups.  There were 2 world wars prior to the US involvement in world affairs, there have been 0 since. 

The rest of the world generally regards the US as the greatest threat to world peace.
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