Density doesnt make things go up or down, gravity does.

That we don’t know how life was created, even when we know life is made of carbon and water and cells, does not mean it was by magic, then?

Saying you don't know is not appealing to magic.
Saying it is because of God is.

Likewise, if you don't know why things fall, you can be honest and admit that, or you can appeal to a god and by doing so be literally appealing to magic.

There’s no need for someone to claim Earth is a ball flying through endless space

Except the fact that it is true. No matter how much you want to pretend it isn't.

Why make things float around in any direction?

Again.  What is the earth sitting on in your delusion.  And whatever the earth is sitting on, what’s it sitting on?

If there is no gravity, why do comets pivot about the sun.  Why do comets come and go, traveling about the planets, changing the night sky.  Why can’t humankind follow in the paths of comets?

Don’t worry, you’ll soon have Katy Perry saying she went up into space on a giant prick rocket, designed to mock those who buy their bs !

Look at them adoring the giant dick we made! Let’s make slogans on our next ones that say ‘your a dick for believing this goes higher than a plane’ and see if they notice it!’

Ever seen flesh gordon?

They’re now mocking your stupidity, and you have no clue about it!  They show a stooge golfing on the moon, and you buy it. Now it’s rockets shaped just like dicks.

But they’re not mocking you at all,,they love and respect your intelligence🥴

Don’t worry, you’ll soon have Katy Perry saying she went up into space on a giant prick rocket, designed to mock those who buy their bs !

Look at them adoring the giant dick we made! Let’s make slogans on our next ones that say ‘your a dick for believing this goes higher than a plane’ and see if they notice it!’

What are you babbling about?


Again.  What is the earth sitting on in your delusion.  And whatever the earth is sitting on, what’s it sitting on?

  Turbs.  You understand comets are a thing and their trajectories are influenced by the gravity of the sun. 

If there is no gravity, why do comets pivot about the sun.  Why do comets come and go, traveling about the planets, changing the night sky.  Why can’t humankind follow in the paths of comets?

Why do all of these celebrities have to sign non disclosure agreements about their space dick flights?

No reason at all for keeping mum on space flights, they know nothing about the tech of rockets, nothing confidential they know, so why can’t they say what they saw or did?

Don’t dare say it’s all bs

Why do all of these celebrities have to sign non disclosure agreements about their space dick flights?

No reason at all for keeping mum on space flights, they know nothing about the tech of rockets, nothing confidential they know, so why can’t they say what they saw or did?

Don’t dare say it’s all bs

You’re spamming the thread with useless word salad.
 
Address what is actually being asked.

If there is no gravity, why do comets pivot about the sun.  Why do comets come and go, traveling about the planets, changing the night sky.  Why can’t humankind follow in the paths of comets?

Why do all

This thing below..



Is called a comet.

Comets come and go changing the evening / night sky.  They travel about the sun under the influence of the sun’s gravity.  Comets travel about the planets and around the sun proving travel is possible around our solar system.

Do you get this at all Turbs?  Hello! 

Look at who they’re picking to go into the giant penis rocket. Shatner and Strahan and Katy Perry. Giants of intellect all, spouting wisdom to old and young and sports fans alike!

Kirk says he was in space for real, so does a jock and a pop star, they can’t be lying about it! 

Look at who they’re picking to go into the giant penis rocket. Shatner and Strahan and Katy Perry. Giants of intellect all, spouting wisdom to old and young and sports fans alike!

Kirk says he was in space for real, so does a jock and a pop star, they can’t be lying about it!

Good gosh Turbs.  You finally snapped.  You’re the one obsessed with celebrities.  And babbling.

Again.  What is the earth sitting on in your delusion.  And whatever the earth is sitting on, what’s it sitting on?

  Turbs.  You understand comets are a thing and their trajectories are influenced by the gravity of the sun.

If there is no gravity, why do comets pivot about the sun.  Why do comets come and go, traveling about the planets, changing the night sky.  Why can’t humankind follow in the paths of comets?

  Turbs.  Can you address very real comets that are under the influence of the sun’s gravity, traveling among the planets, proving travel about our solar system is a real thing.  Helllo.  Hello? 

Quote from: turbonium2 on March 01, 2025, 03:53:36 AM

Why do all

This thing below..



Is called a comet.

Comets come and go changing the evening / night sky.  They travel about the sun under the influence of the sun’s gravity.  Comets travel about the planets and around the sun proving travel is possible around our solar system.

Do you get this at all Turbs?  Hello!

Where do you get that they travel about the Sun and all this crap from?

There’s no solar system or endless space or a made up bs force. Piling lie upon lie doesn’t make any of it true

Look at who

Reading your posts, I can see why people think someone like you is a tool used to make flat earthers look stupid.  Keep up the good work Turbs. 

Where do you get that they travel about the Sun and all this crap from?

Still doesn’t answer how they travel about changing the night sky.

Still doesn’t answer to comets are influence by the sun’s gravity.

As in comets have to come and go somewhere, as in you can use a telescope to track their travels about the solar system before they are visible to the unaided eye.

There’s no solar system or endless space or a made up bs force. Piling lie upon lie doesn’t make any of it true

And yet there is a very real solar system made up of planets like Jupiter with moons.  Asteroids.  Comets.  Earth with tides.  All influenced by gravity.

Where comets travel from someplace, are seen, then seen traveling off someplace.  Where that someplace under study by telescope revels it’s about the solar system.

  Turbs.  Stop changing the argument.  Why can’t people follow in the paths of comets, meteorites, charged particles from the sun.   

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

If you had any argument to start with that is.

Use your own brain for once, that’s what it’s there for

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

Comets are under the influence of the sun’s gravity.  Like earth’s tides. Turbs, you are not providing any counter argument in anyway.  So, your word salad is meaningless.

Use your own brain for once, that’s what it’s there for

I’m proving an actual argument based on demonstrable facts. 

Turbs, you are only offering personal insults.

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

Turbs.  Typical flat earther.  Trying to change the argument.

That doesn’t answer the original question.

Again.  What is the earth sitting on in your delusion.  And whatever the earth is sitting on, what’s it sitting on?

If there is no gravity, why do comets pivot about the sun.  Why do comets come and go, traveling about the planets, changing the night sky.  Why can’t humankind follow in the paths of comets?

Why do all of these celebrities have to sign non disclosure agreements about their space dick flights?

Who says that they do?

They’re now mocking your stupidity

No, it seems far more like you have run out of excuses and are now just resorting to childish crap.

There’s no solar system or endless space or a made up bs force. Piling lie upon lie doesn’t make any of it true

Yet it appears that is all you can do. Pile lie upon lie.
You need to dismiss rockets, so you do so by lying to everyone by saying there is no space or solar system.

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

If you had any argument to start with that is.

Use your own brain for once, that’s what it’s there for

And there you go with more projection.
The one plugging in a made up super duper force is YOU.
Plugging in your magic god, because you can't explain reality.

The ones sticking to reality and those accepting gravity; something which has been demonstrated to exist beyond any sane doubt.

Because you are entirely incapable of showing a fault with it, or coming up with a better alternative, you dismiss it as a made up force, and spout all sorts of crap.



Have you figured out what makes things go down yet?
If not, are you willing to admit you have no answer?
Or will you continue to cling to your magic of "God did it"?

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

If you had any argument to start with that is.

Use your own brain for once, that’s what it’s there for

In your made-up world, weight is all to do with density and buoyancy, yes? Density and buoyancy in air or water, or other mediums, yes?

Ever heard of a vacuum tube? The tube is made of glass or perspex.

Put a metal nail in your vacuum tube and then remove all the air from inside the tube so that there is no air inside the tube. Now, using a magnet, on the outside of the tube, slide the nail up the inside of the tube.

Now, take the magnet away, and tell us all what you think the nail will do?

A) Stay exactly where it is against the inside of the tube.

B) The nail will float around at exactly the same height inside the tube.

C) The nail will drop to the floor of the vacuum tube when the magnet is removed.

Because I don't think you are a complete and utter idiot, I predict you will honestly answer C).

As such, if gravity is a "made-up force" as you so eloquently put it, please explain what force causes the nail to drop to the floor inside a vacuum tube with all air removed?

Here's a tip: Weight is not a force.

Don’t worry, you’ll soon have Katy Perry saying she went up into space on a giant prick rocket, designed to mock those who buy their bs !

Look at them adoring the giant dick we made! Let’s make slogans on our next ones that say ‘your a dick for believing this goes higher than a plane’ and see if they notice it!’

It won't be long before flat earthers will be going up into space inside the same giant wang, as Katy Perry, and returning to earth as Globe Earthers.

A tattooist will be waiting for them as they alight from the giant wang to tattoo onto their upper arm the words: "To see the ball, I  rode the cock"

But hey, let's be honest, flat earthers are cocky enough already.

In your made-up world, weight is all to do with density and buoyancy, yes? Density and buoyancy in air or water, or other mediums, yes?

Ever heard of a vacuum tube? The tube is made of glass or perspex.

Put a metal nail in your vacuum tube and then remove all the air from inside the tube so that there is no air inside the tube. Now, using a magnet, on the outside of the tube, slide the nail up the inside of the tube.

Now, take the magnet away, and tell us all what you think the nail will do?

Not quite sure that you understand the density/buoyancy argument.  If the object is more dense than the medium, then the object will fall.  Since a vacuum has zero density, then any object will fall.  The proper refutation is comparing how objects of different densities fall in a vacuum.

Here's a tip: Weight is not a force.

Incorrect.  Weight is mass x gravity.  Since gravity is acceleration and force = mass x acceleration, then weight is indeed a force.

Come now, you've been around here long enough to know this.

Quote from: turbonium2 on March 01, 2025, 04:25:47 AM

Plugging in a made up super duper force into things isn’t helping your argument.

If you had any argument to start with that is.

Use your own brain for once, that’s what it’s there for

In your made-up world, weight is all to do with density and buoyancy, yes? Density and buoyancy in air or water, or other mediums, yes?

Ever heard of a vacuum tube? The tube is made of glass or perspex.

Put a metal nail in your vacuum tube and then remove all the air from inside the tube so that there is no air inside the tube. Now, using a magnet, on the outside of the tube, slide the nail up the inside of the tube.

Now, take the magnet away, and tell us all what you think the nail will do?

A) Stay exactly where it is against the inside of the tube.

B) The nail will float around at exactly the same height inside the tube.

C) The nail will drop to the floor of the vacuum tube when the magnet is removed.

Because I don't think you are a complete and utter idiot, I predict you will honestly answer C).

As such, if gravity is a "made-up force" as you so eloquently put it, please explain what force causes the nail to drop to the floor inside a vacuum tube with all air removed?

Here's a tip: Weight is not a force.

What else would you expect in a vacuum? There’s less or no mass in a vacuum, so they’ll still fall downward through a vacuum!

Why wouldn’t your made up force pull things down to Earths surface faster in a vacuum environment?

Compare your made up force to a real force, like magnetic force.

A magnet attracts the same nail of same mass in both mediums, air and airless vacuum, set apart at the same distance from the same magnet…

Yet unlike your made up force, which pulls down all things from both air and vacuum the same rate, it’s not the same rate with magnetic force.

A magnet pulls in the same nail faster in a vacuum, than within air.

That makes perfect sense, because air has resistance, and slows it down.

Magnetic force is a real force, that acts differently when other real forces act on them!

Forces are always stronger nearest to their source of origin, weaker with more distance from their source of origin.

You cannot have a real force that has the same strength at all distances from its source of origin, nor have a real source that - for no possible reason or logic, would exist at all!

You’ve claimed your made up force varies in strength at some points on Earth, but show no valid evidence for that claim.

But even if it did vary in strength over Earth at certain points, that’s even worse for your argument.

The force should be variable with much more distance up in air, if from these points ON Earth!

Why would you claim it varies over Earth? More or less distance from the source?

It’s nonsense.

Markjo, what do I care if you picked up my obvious mistake? It was wasted. The flat earther in the room didn't pick up on it.

Turbonium, there you go. Markjo just announced that weight in of itself, is a force. Isn't that what you've been wanting to hear?

Gravity isn't necessary, is it, Turbonium? All mass has weight and all mass falls to the ground. Case closed, right Turbonium?

Why does everything fall to the ground? Who cares, right, Turbonium? Everything just does.

Throw away all your physics books, everyone. Turbonium has spoken.

Why wouldn’t your made up force pull things down to Earths surface faster in a vacuum environment?

Again, the one with the made up force is you.
The very real force of gravity works just like we expect.
For most objects, there is negligible air resistance and negligible contribution from buoyancy, so it falls at roughly the same rate in a vacuum and in air.
But for some objects, air resistance and/or buoyancy are significant, so they do fall at different rates in a vacuum and air.

Compare your made up force to a real force, like magnetic force.

We already have.
Other than magnetism being based upon a dipole rather than a monopole, magnetism being opposites attract instead of like attracts, and the different properties causing it (mass vs far more complex stuff for magnetism), they are quite comparable.

A magnet pulls in the same nail faster in a vacuum, than within air.

Got any evidence of that?

That makes perfect sense, because air has resistance, and slows it down.

Which is negligible over short distances.

Forces are always stronger nearest to their source of origin, weaker with more distance from their source of origin.

Just like gravity, including documented evidence showing how g varies over Earth's surface.
You just ignore that evidence because you don't like it.

You cannot have a real force that has the same strength at all distances from its source of origin, nor have a real source that

And we don't.
That is your strawman.
A strawman you have no evidence for.
A strawman that is refuted by actual evidence.

You’ve claimed your made up force varies in strength at some points on Earth, but show no valid evidence for that claim.

Except it was already provided to you here, with you failing to provide any response:

Here is an example for Canadia:
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2017/rncan-nrcan/M183-2/M183-2-8081.pdf

So thanks for yet again demonstrating to everyone you are just a pathetic, lying POS, willing to say whatever BS you think will help you pretend your fantasy is true, regardless of how false it is.

The force should be variable with much more distance up in air, if from these points ON Earth!
Why would you claim it varies over Earth? More or less distance from the source?

Because the source is not the surface of Earth. It is every little bit of mass of Earth.
As a simple approximation, you can treat that as if all the mass was at the centre of Earth.
Then as the distance to the centre varies with latitude, you would expect the strength of gravity to vary with latitude. AND IT DOES!

It does also vary with altitude. But that is much harder to document because you need a stable platform or need to remove the effect of the motion of the platform.
For example, if you try using a helium filled balloon like a weather balloon, then as it accelerates upwards it will make any gravimeter mounted to it appear to measure an increase in g.
And as the upwards force on the balloon varied, the measured value of g would vary.

Using a mountain isn't helpful, because the mountain has significant mass.

And you need to get quite high.
Going to an altitude of 10 km, is only a an increase in distance of roughly 0.6%.
That will give you a roughly 0.3% change in gravity.

So we are still where we were before.
Gravity is a viable explanation which actually works and has evidence supporting it.
Your delusional garbage isn't even close to a viable explanation.
It can't explain why things fall, why at a particular rate, why that rate varies, how this creates a pressure gradient, and why this pressure gradient doesn't push things up.
Why would any sane person discard the working model of gravity for your delusional BS?

A tiny bird can easily defeat gravity, but not beat out a thread attached to its little leg!

Your made up force is just a little weaker high in air, except there’s no gradual loss of it, they show us going from full gravity to floating around in no gravity!  Oops!

When they first faked ‘space’, they wanted to show how we all just ‘floated around’ in ‘space’, from earth gravity to nothing at all!

They didn’t show a gradual
transition of less and less ‘gravity’ at the time!  Now it looks really stupid.

A tiny bird can easily defeat gravity, but not beat out a thread attached to its little leg!

Why does the bird need to generate lift greater than its weight.

Why does the birds have weight in the first place.

Your made up force is just a little weaker high in air, .

Again..

They had to make up two ‘forces’ for this.

No.  Gravity is what gives weight to objects of mass.



Gravity is what my arm and strength strains against to lift the 50 lbs weight above my head. 

Gravity is a real force acting on my arm as a lever multiplying the strain at my shoulder where I can’t raise the same 50 lbs straight out arms length.

Gravity is the reason I can’t push a car in neutral up hill where I can push the same car in neutral all day  long over a garage floor.

Gravity is the reason cars have to exert my force by downshifting and burning more fuel as attested to by RPMs and fuel mileage to get up steep hills.

Gravity is the reason you have to strain and exert more force to peddle a bicycle up hill.

Gravity is the reason falling water can drive a water wheel overcoming the friction of grindstones to turn a mill. 

Objects have mass and density, and exist on the surface. Air has little mass.

They’ve convinced you that everything that exists on Earth would just float around in ‘space’ or air, unless a great and all powerful ‘force’ was within a ball Earth, and grabbed all things from ‘space’ that were all just floating around for no reason!

If you were able to create all life and a place to hold all life upon it to live, what would make sense?

When you build a little world for your ant farm, or your dogs to live in your backyard, you want a fixed and stable and habitable world for them to live in.

You wouldn’t make a spinning ball for them to live on, because they’d fly off of it.

But you make it a spinning ball anyway, and have to figure out how to make them not get flung off of it??

A tiny bird can easily defeat gravity, but not beat out a thread attached to its little leg!

Yes, a tiny bird, with negligible mass can easily beat it.
That isn't a problem.

Your made up force is just a little weaker high in air, except there’s no gradual loss of it, they show us going from full gravity to floating around in no gravity!  Oops!

Again, that's YOUR made up force, not gravity.
Back in reality gravity does vary with altitude.
And no, they never show you going from full gravity to floating around in no gravity.
Instead they show you free fall.
Again, if you want an example, go look at the vomit comet.

When they first faked ‘space’

That's your delusional BS with no basis in reality.

Objects have mass and density, and exist on the surface. Air has little mass.

And without a force to act on it, there is no reason for it to accelerate in any direction.

If you were able to create all life and a place to hold all life upon it to live, what would make sense?

To make one without natural disasters and disease. To make one where you wouldn't need to eat food to live.
We don't live in this ideal fantasy, because it was not created by a loving all powerful being.
So any questions about how it would be created in an ideal situation is just a pathetic attempt at deflecting from reality and clinging to a fantasy.

You wouldn’t make a spinning ball for them to live on, because they’d fly off of it.

Why?
If you throwing physics out the window to cling to your delusional fantasy, why not just make it so things stay with that rotating object without a force?
If you want to appeal to pure magic with no connection to reality, then there is no reason for them to fly off.


So we are still where we were before.
Gravity is a viable explanation which actually works and has evidence supporting it.
Your delusional garbage isn't even close to a viable explanation.
It can't explain why things fall, why at a particular rate, why that rate varies, how this creates a pressure gradient, and why this pressure gradient doesn't push things up.
Why would any sane person discard the working model of gravity for your delusional BS?

A tiny bird can easily defeat gravity…

Until the tiny bird gets tired and can’t flap its wings anymore.   Gravity always wins in the end.