WHY would the government trick us?

What for?

My mom made a grilled cheese sandwich for me, and I gave her grief for cutting it the way she likes it, instead of leaving it the fuck alone. I should have grilled my own damned sandwich, because it is utterly senseless to expect people to react any way other than how they're gonna react.

Polaris moving in a 1/2 degree circle is not something that one should expect to see with the naked eye and short attention span.  It really does require a time lapse zoomed in on Polaris to be noticeable. 

Don't have a zoom lens, nor a tripod. Why do they expect me to sit still for hours with my hands craned in an awkward position so as to observe a 1/2 degree circle?

"I'm calling him out on such an obvious lie."

Again, what for? What business is it of yours?

If Polaris doesn’t matter.  Why not admit Polaris circles the northern celestial pole which has been known for at least a few hundred years with various means to correct for the known offset.

Because it's about the principle of the thing. I already told you that it could be, or it might not be. That isn't enough for you pricks. You want me to admit to something where I have no knowledge one way or another. In other words, you'd prefer that I lie over admitting that I do not know and do not care. In fact, it galls you that I could be completely indifferent. "How could you not care?!? I need to call you out." No you don't. You need to back off.

"Why not admit something if it doesn't matter?" Because what does matter is that I speak about things I actually know about.  Forcing me to accept your premises when I don't know is how you get me to build on logic that doesn't actually exist. If you build a house using plastic instead of wood, sooner or later you have a house built on false framework. You want me to use these false ideas, so that the overall logic of your unsound theory now makes sense. No thanks.

I don't know whether Polaris moves or not. I don't know a damned thing about the southern hemisphere. I don't know about what the North Pole looks like from sea level, and I don't know that there is a South Pole at all (but I suspect not, as a Flat Earther). I do not know what is outside of the dome (though I have theories). When I have neither theories nor great interest, asking me over and over again to clarify is sealioning.

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Polaris moving in a 1/2 degree circle is not something that one should expect to see with the naked eye and short attention span.  It really does require a time lapse zoomed in on Polaris to be noticeable. 

Don't have a zoom lens, nor a tripod. Why do they expect me to sit still for hours with my hands craned in an awkward position so as to observe a 1/2 degree circle?

Probably because they’re under the misguided impression that you care about the truth and should therefore go to the bother of properly verifying your claims rather than just saying “I’m right and you’re wrong because I said so”.

What for?

Trying to run from your lies Bulma

There is so very much to learn.

Evidently not by you.

You are brainwashed into the lie Polaris is static, fixed, and sits on the northern celestial pole.

Polaris quite clearly moves over a few hours.







Polaris is offset from the pole enough that it has to be compensated for when aligning to the actual northern celestial pole.

Not being able to accept that and learn means to believe a lie.  Where you Bulma have to lie about your own video you championed.  You have to falsely claim other people’s honest work and effort are fake.

This goes away Bulma if you can just admit to being wrong concerning Polaris.  You know, where you claim you want to learn and believe what can be proven.

 Why do they expect

For you to stop being a hypocrite claiming you only believe what you can prove?  Yet you are brainwashed into things that are easily proven a lie.  Like you believing Polaris is static, fixed, and sits on the celestial North Pole.  Where it’s easily proven polaris circles the northern celestial pole.  Where the offset has been known for a few hundred years with used corrections for using Polaris for celestial navigation. 

What for?

To demonstrate how it isn't important to you.
To demonstrate how it doesn't matter.
Especially given YOU brought it up, and YOU brought into this thread.

Again, what for? What business is it of yours?

To demonstrate your dishonesty.
To demonstrate how it isn't the government lying about the shape of Earth, but lying POS like you.

Because it's about the principle of the thing.

Yes, it is the principle.
You stated a clear falsehood.
You doubled down on it repeatedly.
And now you flee from it like the lying coward you are.

That isn't enough for you pricks.

You mean us sane individuals?
And yes, because I have seen the kind of BS you have pulled before.
So anytime you try going back on it, I can pull up the quote and show how you lied.
Any time you expect anyone to just take you on your word, I can bring it up to show how utterly dishonest you are.
Any time you provide a video and blatantly lie to everyone about what is in it, I can bring this up as another example of where you have done exactly that.

You want me to admit to something where I have no knowledge one way or another.

So you are saying you never watched the video?
Because again, the key thing for me is for you to admit you blatantly lied to everyone about the video you provided.
To admit that IN THAT VIDEO Polaris is clearly moving, and it is not stationary like you falsely claimed repeatedly.

That is something you should have knowledge of, and can easily get knowledge of.

And other than that, if you aren't willing to admit that Polaris is observed to move in reality, then admit that you have repeatedly lied when you claimed it is stationary and presented that as a fact.

In other words, you'd prefer that I lie

No.
I want you to stop lying.
I want you to own up to your lies.
Such as where you have repeatedly claimed Polaris is fixed and stationary, and that the video showed it as such.

Strange how you want it to be a lie when it is admitting to what mountains of evidence clearly showed, yet you have no such issues actually lying to everyone by claiming it is fixed and stationary, which you have no evidence to support, which you had to lie about evidence you claimed supported it while it actually directly refuted it.

Now that you have been caught so inescapable in such an obvious lie, you are doing whatever you can to avoid owning up to that lie, including showing how dishonest you are, and further showing how you have lied.

it galls you that I could be completely indifferent.

Except your behaviour has clearly shown you aren't.

If you were that indifferent, you wouldn't have made this pathetic claim:

What is true is that the southern hemisphere has no North Star equivalent. It has a fake "South Star" which is not centered. A quick time lapse of the southern hemisphere proves nothing at all is at the center. Octans is close but no cigar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octans
Eric Dubay turned out to be right. There are NO fixed stars besides Polaris.

Where you were desperate to have Polaris fixed to make the north pole special.
Instead, you would have said Sigma Octantis is just like Polaris, close to the centre, with any offset no mattering.
But you didn't say that.
You instead appealed to that tiny offset for Sigma Octantis to say there is no equivalent to Polaris in the south.

You wouldn't have doubled down on that pathetic BS here:

Fact: There is only one star that doesn't move. There is no fixed South Star, and the "South Star" is not useful as a directional guide.

Where again you want to have Polaris magic and special, so you can dismiss the north pole.

And again here:

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 16, 2025, 06:56:17 AM

Where Polaris isn’t fixed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 15, 2025, 12:14:54 PM

Fact: There is only one star that doesn't move.

You mean Polaris?  That isn’t really “fixed” either.

After about 10 seconds, I figured out which star was Polaris before they pointed it out. It was the one dead center that wasn't moving. It moved once, because he shifted the camera.

Where if you really didn't know, where if you really didn't care, where if you really didn't think it was important, you would have just said that you don't care.
But you had already made it so important by then, to have the north pole magic and special and to pretend the southern hemisphere is nothing like the northern hemisphere; so instead of admitting you don't know (assuming you truly don't) and saying you don't care, you instead provided a video and blatantly lied to everyone about what it showed.

So rather than hiding behind your pathetic BS of allegedly not caring after making this so important and crucial to your world view, and claiming we are trying to make you lie after you have been repeatedly caught out lying, start acting honest for once in your pathetic existence and own up to your lies.

Because that is what I'm trying to get you to do here, not make you lie, but own up to lies you have already made.

what does matter is that I speak about things I actually know about.
...
I don't know whether Polaris moves or not.

Then why did you repeatedly lie about it?
Why did you repeatedly claim it is fixed?

Either you do know about it, and have repeatedly lied about it knowingly, and your excuse that you don't know is just another pathetic lie; or you don't know and you are happy to boldly claim things as fact when you have no idea.
Either way, you are lying.

Again, there is no escape unless you just entirely flee this thread and never speak of Polaris again.
So it is time for you to own up to your pathetic lies.

If you want to say you truly are ignorant of if Polaris appears to move or not, even with all the evidence clearly showing it does, including the video you provided; then admit you have no idea if it does, you have no idea if the southern hemisphere has a star like Polaris; that you blatantly lied about the video showing it moving; and that you have repeatedly lied to everyone by claiming it is a fact that Polaris is fixed.

Otherwise, you are just further demonstrating you are a worthless, pathetic, desperate, lying, subhuman POS with no integrity at all; willing to spout whatever pathetic BS you think will suit your argument at the given time, no matter what you have said before, or how pathetic dishonest it is.

Again, you are showing it is not the government lying about the shape of Earth; instead it is pathetic FEers repeatedly lying, and then using what dishonest BS they can to avoid owning up to their lies.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 12:35:58 PM

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Polaris moving in a 1/2 degree circle is not something that one should expect to see with the naked eye and short attention span.  It really does require a time lapse zoomed in on Polaris to be noticeable. 

Don't have a zoom lens, nor a tripod. Why do they expect me to sit still for hours with my hands craned in an awkward position so as to observe a 1/2 degree circle?

Probably because they’re under the misguided impression that you care about the truth and should therefore go to the bother of properly verifying your claims rather than just saying “I’m right and you’re wrong because I said so”.

When I care about the truth, I care about it.

It is precisely because I care about the truth that I won't accept someone else's easy answers. So if a star's movement may be a 1/2 degree circle (pretty small circle, dude) and I can't see it with a casual look over the course of about an hour of craning my neck, saying "I dunno" is pretty damn true.

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying. So yeah, "but if you don't care which it is, why can't you just accept what I say?" Because having no certainty to someone asking me to support their lies. This also explains why I don't have many friends.

A cat is trapped inside a box. It may or may not be alive. You have no way of knowing short of opening the container, but as you don't have the key, you have to pick it manually. At what point do you simply say, "it's probably dead," and ignore people who insist that it's alive? They show you an adorable picture of the cat.

But you don't know if it is a real picture. You don't know if it is recent. "Could you just agree that the cat is alive?" No, I couldn't. Get over it.

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying. So yeah, "but if you don't care which it is, why can't you just accept what I say?" Because having no certainty to someone asking me to support their lies.

No one is asking you to support anyone's lies.  They're asking you put up or shut up.  See for yourself with a proper time lapse over the course of a few hours if Polaris really is the exact center of night sky or if it's a bit off and makes a star trail like the rest of the night sky.  Just eyeballing it for an hour or so doesn't cut it.

When I care about the truth, I care about it.

Then admit that Polaris circles the northern pole.  And knowing the offset is useful in correcting errors for celestial navigation using Polaris for latitude. 

Chapter 8: Approximate Latitude from Polaris

Polaris, the Northern star, is easy to find in the northern hemisphere
by imagining a line extended four times the distance between the
two stars forming the back end of the Big Dipper (Chapter 19, fig.
19.1). Polaris is fairly close (approximately 1.5°) to the prolongation
of the axis of rotation of Earth. In fact, a camera pointing towards
Polaris and left open for several hours will show the star going
around a very small arc of circle of 1.5° of radius as Earth spins
during the night.
The exact determination of our latitude from Polaris requires a
number of small corrections to account for this slight offset.

These
can be done from special tables in the Almanac (see Appendix 2,
pages 27 and 28), but the corrections depend, amongst other factors,
on the position of Aries, the point of reference used to locate the
stars. Until we learn to use the tables based on the coordinates of
Aries (Chapter 15), we can estimate our latitude from a sight on
Polaris with an error of 1.5° (90 miles) at the most.

https://www.marinenavigationbooks.com/images/pdfs/Chapter-08-Approximate-Latitude.pdf

Bulma.  It’s been shown through various imaging that Polaris Circles the northern celestial pole.  By numerous people. It’s reality simple and something you can do for yourself. It’s been shown the offset is known.  It’s been shown how knowing the offset is used in practical matters.

Things interesting to people that actually like to experiment and learn.

Bulma.  If it doesn’t matter.  Then why deny Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and admit to knowing the offset is useful. 

Bulma.  If it doesn’t matter.  Then why deny Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and admit to knowing the offset is useful.

Because the offset is not useful to Bulma, therefore it's all moot.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 07, 2025, 07:06:49 PM

Bulma.  If it doesn’t matter.  Then why deny Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and admit to knowing the offset is useful.

Because the offset is not useful to Bulma, therefore it's all moot.

There is so very much to learn. You understand so little.

Science comes from test ideas through experiments.

Bulma has been corrected and can’t admit they are wrong.  Where they go on claiming things that clearly show and prove Polaris circles the northern celestial pole as fake and lies.  It’s more of use to Bulma to believe lies concerning Polaris than the truth.  If Bulma is willing to blatantly lie figuratively to people’s faces, repeatedly, even double and tripling down.  Polaris was never moot to Bulma.  It just became a liability they are trying to ignore now when they were shown how utterly wrong they were. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 07, 2025, 07:06:49 PM

Bulma.  If it doesn’t matter.  Then why deny Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and admit to knowing the offset is useful.

Because the offset is not useful to Bulma, therefore it's all moot.

I think this post sheds light on why Polaris isn’t a moot point for Bulma.

Unlike people who stick to nonsense like RE despite all evidence to the contrary, I am capable of changing my mind.



If Crux shifts during the year, it cannot be the same as Polaris.

What is true is that the southern hemisphere has no North Star equivalent. It has a fake "South Star" which is not centered. A quick time lapse of the southern hemisphere proves nothing at all is at the center. Octans is close but no cigar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octans
Eric Dubay turned out to be right. There are NO fixed stars besides Polaris.

TL;DR: I don't "need" Crux to be Polaris. I just thought it might be sorta poetic. But it didn't work.

I think it’s more about Bulma coming to terms that Eric Dubay and other prominent flat earthers are cons and grifters.  That you can’t literally trust a thing they produce.  Even Jack Black posts more truth.  Or even me with my little imaging experiments.  And I don’t think Bulma knows what to do. 

Added.  Especially when the likes of Dubay claims round earthers are programmed and afraid to question.  Then round earthers question both models in these threads.  Where I question both through imaging when I can.  How can you not question both if actually pursing the truth.  But flat earthers really don’t question they preach.  And it always comes up with RE making accurate predictions and uses. Where FE is useless and hasn’t been relevant for a thousand years. 

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 06:18:27 PM

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying. So yeah, "but if you don't care which it is, why can't you just accept what I say?" Because having no certainty to someone asking me to support their lies.

No one is asking you to support anyone's lies.  They're asking you put up or shut up.  See for yourself with a proper time lapse over the course of a few hours if Polaris really is the exact center of night sky or if it's a bit off and makes a star trail like the rest of the night sky.  Just eyeballing it for an hour or so doesn't cut it.

That's the thing.

What constitutes the "proper time lapse"? Well, of course, you clearly wouldn't accept one that didn't show Polaris moving. Like something like this:


So if I happened to do a time lapse, and it didn't show anything of the sort, you would accuse me of faking it.

But the thing is, I don't have to waste my time (and Kindle battery life) making a long video and then time lapsing it. Which is a good thing, because that sounds fucking boring.

Why is that? Well, it's because if Polaris moves or it doesn't, the Earth is still flat. I win.

Let's have a refresher:

• Eric Dubay uses a model wherein Polaris moves not at all, as expressed in the video above.
• Edward Henrie, also a flat Earther, uses a model where Polaris moves in a circle, as mentioned in the link below.

https://greatmountainpublishing.com/2022/03/21/the-north-star-proves-the-earth-does-not-move/

It completely does not matter whether or not the North Star moves. I believe I have... put up, as you say?

Or will you only accept certain proofs? How dishonest, if that's the case.

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Now, if you're done with your little distraction, the North Star has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.
Nor does it have anything to do with the high taxes and government bureaucracy plaguing regular citizens.
Nor does it have anything to do with centuries of secret organizations misleading the public.
 

When I care about the truth, I care about it.

And you have repeatedly demonstrated you don't care about it.
That you are happy to blatantly lie to people again and again and again.
And then when called out on it, and irrefutably shown to be a pathetic, desperate liar, you just retreat with more dishonest BS.

If you gave a damn about the truth you wouldn't have repeatedly lied to everyone.

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying.

And yet you are happy to accept the "truth" of your lying cult leader.
So there you go yet again showing how much of a pathetic liar you are.

Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and start owning up to your pathetic lies.

you clearly wouldn't accept one that didn't show Polaris moving.

You mean one from someone who has repeatedly shown himself to lie to everyone.
Even the title of that video is a pathetic lie.
Back in reality, Polaris proves Earth is round, not flat.

But again, even this is another pathetic lie from you.
The garbage you have linked now when it finally stops with so much irrelevant pathetic BS and gets to a star trail image, has a picture where Polaris appears as a smudge, that you cannot resolve well enough to tell if it has moved or not, and over a tiny time period.
Then it gets to a time-lapse, and what do we have? This:

Tell me you worthless, lying POS - which star is stationary in this?

if Polaris moves or it doesn't, the Earth is still flat. I win.

Except you lose, because Earth isn't flat.
If Earth actually was flat, and you could actually justify your pathetic BS you wouldn't have to lie so much.
Yet you have been caught in countless lies.

Remember, you tried using this pathetic lie of yours to pretend the southern hemisphere is fundamentally different to the north, to try to pretend Earth is flat.

Let's have a refresher:

I have already provided that in the last post.
It is incredibly important for you to have Polaris magically fixed at the centre, so you can pretend the northern hemisphere is special.
But reality it is not, and the evidence you try to use shows it is not.
But that doesn't stop you from blatantly lying about what the evidence shows to falsely claim Polaris is stationary.

And then when called out on your pathetic BS, you try to hide behind more BS like claiming it isn't important to you and that you wouldn't say things about things you don't know anything about.

Now, if you're done with your little distraction, the North Star has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.

Again, to you it clearly does.
Otherwise you wouldn't have repeatedly asserted it as a fact and blatantly lied about it.

Nor does it have anything to do with centuries of secret organizations misleading the public.

No, it has everything to do with the fact that the government is NOT the one lying about the shape of Earth, YOU ARE!
As you have shown yourself to be a liar yet again.


Again, if you truly think it doesn't matter, and you don't know, then admit you have repeatedly lied to everyone.
Admit that you blatantly lied about what the video you provided shows.
Admit you lied to everyone when you stated Polaris is a stationary as a fact.
Admit that you have no basis to say there is no equivalent to Polaris in the southern hemisphere.

Until you do, you are demonstrating by your actions that it is so utterly important to you.

• Eric Dubay uses a model wherein Polaris moves not at all, as expressed in the video above.

Which is a lie where it’s been known for hundreds of years that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and corrected for.

It completely does not matter whether or not the North Star moves.

Then why not admit to the fact that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.  Especially Bulma in the fact you spew crap about learning.  Where you blatantly lied about imaging that shows Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

If it doesn’t matter Bulma, why not admit you learned that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and how the known offset is used.

Quote from: markjo on August 07, 2025, 07:04:31 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 06:18:27 PM

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying. So yeah, "but if you don't care which it is, why can't you just accept what I say?" Because having no certainty to someone asking me to support their lies.

No one is asking you to support anyone's lies.  They're asking you put up or shut up.  See for yourself with a proper time lapse over the course of a few hours if Polaris really is the exact center of night sky or if it's a bit off and makes a star trail like the rest of the night sky.  Just eyeballing it for an hour or so doesn't cut it.

That's the thing.

What constitutes the "proper time lapse"? Well, of course, you clearly wouldn't accept one that didn't show Polaris moving. Like something like this:

I like how you refuse to even consider RE evidence, yet accept Eric Dubay’s “truth” without a second thought. 

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 06:18:27 PM

When I care about the truth, I care about it.

And you have repeatedly demonstrated you don't care about it.
That you are happy to blatantly lie to people again and again and again.
And then when called out on it, and irrefutably shown to be a pathetic, desperate liar, you just retreat with more dishonest BS.

If you gave a damn about the truth you wouldn't have repeatedly lied to everyone.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 06:18:27 PM

Accepting someone else's truth would be lying.

And yet you are happy to accept the "truth" of your lying cult leader.
So there you go yet again showing how much of a pathetic liar you are.

Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and start owning up to your pathetic lies.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

you clearly wouldn't accept one that didn't show Polaris moving.

You mean one from someone who has repeatedly shown himself to lie to everyone.
Even the title of that video is a pathetic lie.
Back in reality, Polaris proves Earth is round, not flat.

But again, even this is another pathetic lie from you.
The garbage you have linked now when it finally stops with so much irrelevant pathetic BS and gets to a star trail image, has a picture where Polaris appears as a smudge, that you cannot resolve well enough to tell if it has moved or not, and over a tiny time period.
Then it gets to a time-lapse, and what do we have? This:

Tell me you worthless, lying POS - which star is stationary in this?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

if Polaris moves or it doesn't, the Earth is still flat. I win.

Except you lose, because Earth isn't flat.
If Earth actually was flat, and you could actually justify your pathetic BS you wouldn't have to lie so much.
Yet you have been caught in countless lies.

Remember, you tried using this pathetic lie of yours to pretend the southern hemisphere is fundamentally different to the north, to try to pretend Earth is flat.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

Let's have a refresher:

I have already provided that in the last post.
It is incredibly important for you to have Polaris magically fixed at the centre, so you can pretend the northern hemisphere is special.
But reality it is not, and the evidence you try to use shows it is not.
But that doesn't stop you from blatantly lying about what the evidence shows to falsely claim Polaris is stationary.

And then when called out on your pathetic BS, you try to hide behind more BS like claiming it isn't important to you and that you wouldn't say things about things you don't know anything about.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

Now, if you're done with your little distraction, the North Star has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.

Again, to you it clearly does.
Otherwise you wouldn't have repeatedly asserted it as a fact and blatantly lied about it.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

Nor does it have anything to do with centuries of secret organizations misleading the public.

No, it has everything to do with the fact that the government is NOT the one lying about the shape of Earth, YOU ARE!
As you have shown yourself to be a liar yet again.


Again, if you truly think it doesn't matter, and you don't know, then admit you have repeatedly lied to everyone.
Admit that you blatantly lied about what the video you provided shows.
Admit you lied to everyone when you stated Polaris is a stationary as a fact.
Admit that you have no basis to say there is no equivalent to Polaris in the southern hemisphere.

Until you do, you are demonstrating by your actions that it is so utterly important to you.

It's not lying if he believes what he is typing.

He speaks his truth. His truth isn't the truth, and he doesn't give the tiniest shit about that.

He couldn't care less about you or anybody else he interacts with here, and he couldn't care less about anything anybody else types.

He is re-writing the bible. Doesn't that say volumes about what kind of person this is? He thinks he is authorised to edit and change sacred text.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 07, 2025, 09:20:56 PM

I like how you refuse to even consider RE evidence, yet accept Eric Dubay’s “truth” without a second thought.

without a 1st thought

He is re-writing the bible. Doesn't that say volumes about what kind of person this is? He thinks he is authorised to edit and change sacred text.

Evidently Bulma doesn’t care lying and bearing false witness are sins.  Wonder if those will make the final cut? 

It's not lying if he believes what he is typing.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could be that utterly brain damaged or brain washed to be so utterly incapable of seeing how they have repeatedly stated false claims, especially when they outright contradicting themselves; yet still manages to type complete sentences.

He speaks his truth. His truth isn't the truth

No, he doesn't.
He doesn't get his own personal truth.
The best you get is it speaks its insane delusional beliefs that are completely disconnected from the truth.
That is not speaking the truth. That is speaking falsehoods.

He is re-writing the bible. Doesn't that say volumes about what kind of person this is?

Yes, that he doesn't give a damn about the truth at all. That all he cares about is his pathetic little fantasy.

Yes, yes, I am well aware of your incredulity.

"How can Bulma possibly believe this?!? They must be lying!"

Because you think this, I have to keep explaining the same damned concepts because your mind is literally creating an idiot filter. "This must be delusional. This must be a lie. This cannot be real. Blah blah blah... anything besides actually listening to the argument. That's not true, that's impossible."

Yes yes. I actually do believe what I am writing though. So would you give all the mental filter a rest? I really get annoyed when I have to repeat myself.

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I like how you refuse to even consider RE evidence, yet accept Eric Dubay’s “truth” without a second thought. 

What evidence? Whether I side with Eric Dubay or Edward Henrie, Flat Earth is still true.

You have no proof that Polaris does anything for RE theory.

Meanwhile, if you actually listened to what I said earlier, you'd figure out that you're wrong about this and want to change the subject to avoid admitting it.

It's like this: that we can even see the circle of the stars in the sky means that we cannot be moving along with them in the Milky Way galaxy. If we were inside the Milky Way galaxy as all RE ppl claim, we should only see a pizza-sliced arc of stars based on which way Earth commonly faces at night. If we are outside or below the stars at a distance, we see the whole pizza, so to speak. If we are outside or below the stars but not at a distance, we see a circle of the galaxy, but not the whole thing, kinda like...
 

You have no proof that Polaris does anything for RE theory.

The fact that latitude in the northern hemisphere (give or take about 1/2 degree) can be determined by measuring the elevation of Polaris is pretty compelling evidence for RE and pretty damning of FE.  Then again, it requires simple trigonometry to see it, but we all know how you feel about math.

It's like this: that we can even see the circle of the stars in the sky means that we cannot be moving along with them in the Milky Way galaxy.

Star trails have nothing to do with the earth moving within the galaxy.  It has to do with the earth rotating on its axis.  And before you say it, the constellations do change over the years, just very slowly because the earth is moving along with the rest of the stars in the galaxy.

Seriously, why do you keep pretending that you understand RE when you obviously don't?  Or is this deliberate misrepresentation just to troll us?

Hahahahahahha spectacular.


His mind cant comprehend three dimensions...

Its amazing.

Because you think this,

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole. 

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known. 

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 08, 2025, 08:04:41 AM

It's not lying if he believes what he is typing.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could be that utterly brain damaged or brain washed to be so utterly incapable of seeing how they have repeatedly stated false claims, especially when they outright contradicting themselves; yet still manages to type complete sentences.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 08, 2025, 08:04:41 AM

He speaks his truth. His truth isn't the truth

No, he doesn't.
He doesn't get his own personal truth.
The best you get is it speaks its insane delusional beliefs that are completely disconnected from the truth.
That is not speaking the truth. That is speaking falsehoods.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 08, 2025, 08:04:41 AM

He is re-writing the bible. Doesn't that say volumes about what kind of person this is?

Yes, that he doesn't give a damn about the truth at all. That all he cares about is his pathetic little fantasy.

Is Bulmabriefs the first person caught up in a cult you've tried to rescue, aside from Turbonium?

Have you considered they are examples of how easy it is to brainwash and radicalize people?

I'm sure if you did brain scans of every suicide bomber to come out of ISIS, before they pulled the ripcord, you would find no evidence of physical brain damage. It would be interesting though, which parts of their brains are most active and whether that coincides with flat earthers brains.

Yes. All he cares about is his fantasy. All he cares about is HIS truth, not THE truth. To you that may be he is speaking falsehoods, but not to him. Obviously he sees himself as a modern day prophet.

If he was an actual friend or family member of any of us, one of us would likely come up with an idea for an intervention. What I see here is like an internet version of an intervention which instead of intervening is reinforcing his insanity.

Who is Bulma rewriting the bible for, anyway? Who is his target audience?

"How can Bulma possibly believe this?!? They must be lying!"

No, it isn't simply how can you possibly believe it.
Instead, it is how can you believe such obvious lies when it is so obvious and shown to you repeatedly; yet you still ignore it; and how can you think your pathetic excuses would work at all after you have repeatedly claimed fake facts about Polaris?

The level of stupidity required should make it impossible for you to string together sentences or use a computer.

I have to keep explaining

No, you are yet to explain anything.
You keep asserting crap and avoiding explanations at all costs.

anything besides actually listening to the argument.

There you go projecting again.

Can I remind you of what YOU DID in this very thread?
I pointed out how the video you provided, just sticking to the first time lapse from 7 to 21 seconds, clearly shows Polaris moving.
Instead of even attempting to deal with that, you instead appeal to the apparent shift at closer to 30 seconds as if that could have any impact.
You continually appealed to it as if it was your "get out of jail free card" that let you entirely ignore an argument that had nothing to do with that portion of the video.

I really get annoyed when I have to repeat myself.

Then stop repeating the same pathetic, refuted, dishonest BS; and instead start reading what people say and responding to that.

What evidence? Whether I side with Eric Dubay or Edward Henrie, Flat Earth is still true.

Again, still wrong.
Regardless of who you side with, FE is still outdated, refuted BS.
And the BS model you appeal to is just modern refuted, delusional BS from pathetic people that can't accept reality.

You have no proof that Polaris does anything for RE theory.

Yes, we do.
For this particular issue, it isn't so much that it does anything for RE, but that it shows the problem with your pathetic BS. And we have that based upon how you dismissed the southern hemisphere and specifically the south celestial pole, because Sigma Octantis isn't perfectly at the pole. i.e. the quotes I provided above.
You seem to think Polaris being at the pole perfectly (which it isn't) somehow magically makes the northern hemisphere special so you can pretend Earth is flat.

But the more damning part is that we can't see Polaris at all in the south, and that stars appear to trace CIRCLES (not ellipses) around the celestial poles.

But what this particular argument is actually showing, is how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.
How you will take a video and then blatantly lie about it, not giving a damn what the video actually shows and instead just claiming it shows what you desperately need it to show.

It's like this

i.e. pathetic BS that has almost certainly already been refuted, which you bring up to yet again deflect from your pathetic lies.
In this case with you wanting to pretend that all the stars in the universe are inside the milky way.

Now how about you stop with all the pathetic BS and start owning up to your lied.

You can start by admitting that the video you provided clearly shows Polaris moving.

Is Bulmabriefs the first person caught up in a cult you've tried to rescue, aside from Turbonium?

I don't need rescuing "from" a cult. I quoted the word "from" rather than "cult", because the one who is convinced they are rescuing me is unwittingly trying to draft me to a cult.

How easy it is to radicalize people.

Not like this though. Surely these aren't examples of woke globalists.



I am the least radical person you will ever meet. I don't protest. I barely get outside except to mow the lawn or occasionally watch a movie or something.
Eric Dubay appears to have a day job of teaching kungfu, yoga, and meditation. His videos and books don't net him much money.

If you want to talk about radical cultists online, unless you are talking about Islam, you are not talking about a flat Earth group. Fuck Islam.

Who is Bulma rewriting the bible for, anyway? Who is his target audience?

That's a good question.

It started when I realized that the Bible as written was a sort of controlled opposition. Like, most Christians await a second coming that Jesus never actually talked about. So we have Christians led around by apocalyptic ideas instead of understanding that the real revolution of Jesus, where the followers of Jesus were willing to be hung on the cross or get eaten by lions because they knew Jesus had returned.  Today's Christians go to work and aren't substantially different from the population, and are certainly not willing to die on the cross for anything. Because they believe this world is broken and that Jesus will maybe sorta get fixed sometime in the future, in the last days. But we have two proofs that isn't the case. First, during the revival of Lazarus, Jesus says, “Your brother will rise from the dead.” Martha says to him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” But Jesus tells her that he is the resurrection. What last day? It's already here! Second, there's a scene in Matthew when Jesus dies and the guards know he's risen, and try to keep it a secret! In other words, like shows or films where death is off-duty or killed, the secret that people no longer must fear death is one that is a dire threat to world government. So the controlled opposition rewrites this as if Jesus will come and fix everything later. Nope, death has been defeated. Today. Already.

No I don't fancy myself a prophet. But like Luther, I say, "Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise." I do this because it is my calling, not because of any delusions of grandeur. Indeed, I fully expect my words to fall on deaf ears.

I'm sure if you did brain scans of every suicide bomber to come out of ISIS, before they pulled the ripcord, you would find no evidence of physical brain damage

There was a study on people's brains when writing to Santa (who is not real) vs God. And they found that people writing to Santa were not using a part of the brain typically associated with conversation, whereas those writing to God were.
A suicide bomber would not come back with a normal reading. They would have the same hormones as a depressed person. One willing to die or kill for something is fundamentally depressed, they joined  the group hoping to make death a reality.

A true believer does tend to have normal readings on everything but fear response. Ask Trump about having to put up with persecution and lawsuits all the time, and he will tell you that he is committed to taking down leftist government. He puts up with shit without fear day in and day out. Meanwhile the actually deluded Trump derangement syndrome people are convinced of something that isn't so, so they tell themselves untruths about how "he's just after money!" and "why can't these people see that?!?" If it were really about money, he could stay comfortably in his real estate business or milk television appearances. Or as a politician, he could behave like Chuck Schumer or AOC, and use taxpayer dollars as a bank account. Instead he has risked a gunman's bullet to try to dismantle the current government.

Yes, I believe in flat Earth. I am not brain damaged. I believe in it like you  believe in Marxism. Although, if we're being frank, Marxism is indeed a brain damaged idea. "Hey let's take society that more of less allows workers to live comfortably and even pays Friedrich Engels enough to financially support Marx as he badmouths the exact job that is allowing him to philosophize about the injustice of work, and let's heavily tax employers so they can't give their workers a living wage. And then we can blame it on employers being greedy instead of rightly connecting it with the progressive tax we loaded on their backs. Then we'll give it to a bunch of shiftless losers who don't work, because they need the money the most." Versus, "Yeah I look over the horizon, and it looks flat to me." Which of these is a more sane idea? Could I be wrong? Certainly, I consider the possibility that I may be mistaken. Even so, I realize there are far worse ideas that I could have.

I don't need rescuing "from" a cult.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

A man happens to look like another man who is a serial killer. In fact, let's say they are twins and one was adopted at birth. They do not ask him whether or not he killed that woman whose house the killer broke into in order to rob from, which is a known thing. They ask him instead, "Where is the jewelry stole? Admit it, you killed her and hid the jewelry in your sister's house!" The really fun part about this is that the falsely accused could potentially be in holding forever until he admits to a crime that he didn't commit or denies a crime, and goes to trial for it. They have all the evidence against someone who knows that information, but the person accused neither knows nor cares.   

What you are asking is a known unknown.


Whether I admit to a known unknown or deny it, it is a lie. I do not have that information. Nor can you make me care enough about that information to find out.

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Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

What you are asking is a known unknown.

The fact that time lapse photographs clearly show Polaris circling the celestial north pole as well as the offset having been measured and documented in celestial navigation reference books suggests that it's a well known known among those that care.

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Is Bulmabriefs the first person caught up in a cult you've tried to rescue, aside from Turbonium?

I don't need rescuing "from" a cult. I quoted the word "from" rather than "cult", because the one who is convinced they are rescuing me is unwittingly trying to draft me to a cult.

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How easy it is to radicalize people.

Not like this though. Surely these aren't examples of woke globalists.



I am the least radical person you will ever meet. I don't protest. I barely get outside except to mow the lawn or occasionally watch a movie or something.
Eric Dubay appears to have a day job of teaching kungfu, yoga, and meditation. His videos and books don't net him much money.

If you want to talk about radical cultists online, unless you are talking about Islam, you are not talking about a flat Earth group. Fuck Islam.

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Who is Bulma rewriting the bible for, anyway? Who is his target audience?

That's a good question.

It started when I realized that the Bible as written was a sort of controlled opposition. Like, most Christians await a second coming that Jesus never actually talked about. So we have Christians led around by apocalyptic ideas instead of understanding that the real revolution of Jesus, where the followers of Jesus were willing to be hung on the cross or get eaten by lions because they knew Jesus had returned.  Today's Christians go to work and aren't substantially different from the population, and are certainly not willing to die on the cross for anything. Because they believe this world is broken and that Jesus will maybe sorta get fixed sometime in the future, in the last days. But we have two proofs that isn't the case. First, during the revival of Lazarus, Jesus says, “Your brother will rise from the dead.” Martha says to him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” But Jesus tells her that he is the resurrection. What last day? It's already here! Second, there's a scene in Matthew when Jesus dies and the guards know he's risen, and try to keep it a secret! In other words, like shows or films where death is off-duty or killed, the secret that people no longer must fear death is one that is a dire threat to world government. So the controlled opposition rewrites this as if Jesus will come and fix everything later. Nope, death has been defeated. Today. Already.

No I don't fancy myself a prophet. But like Luther, I say, "Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise." I do this because it is my calling, not because of any delusions of grandeur. Indeed, I fully expect my words to fall on deaf ears.

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I'm sure if you did brain scans of every suicide bomber to come out of ISIS, before they pulled the ripcord, you would find no evidence of physical brain damage

There was a study on people's brains when writing to Santa (who is not real) vs God. And they found that people writing to Santa were not using a part of the brain typically associated with conversation, whereas those writing to God were.
A suicide bomber would not come back with a normal reading. They would have the same hormones as a depressed person. One willing to die or kill for something is fundamentally depressed, they joined  the group hoping to make death a reality.

A true believer does tend to have normal readings on everything but fear response. Ask Trump about having to put up with persecution and lawsuits all the time, and he will tell you that he is committed to taking down leftist government. He puts up with shit without fear day in and day out. Meanwhile the actually deluded Trump derangement syndrome people are convinced of something that isn't so, so they tell themselves untruths about how "he's just after money!" and "why can't these people see that?!?" If it were really about money, he could stay comfortably in his real estate business or milk television appearances. Or as a politician, he could behave like Chuck Schumer or AOC, and use taxpayer dollars as a bank account. Instead he has risked a gunman's bullet to try to dismantle the current government.

Yes, I believe in flat Earth. I am not brain damaged. I believe in it like you  believe in Marxism. Although, if we're being frank, Marxism is indeed a brain damaged idea. "Hey let's take society that more of less allows workers to live comfortably and even pays Friedrich Engels enough to financially support Marx as he badmouths the exact job that is allowing him to philosophize about the injustice of work, and let's heavily tax employers so they can't give their workers a living wage. And then we can blame it on employers being greedy instead of rightly connecting it with the progressive tax we loaded on their backs. Then we'll give it to a bunch of shiftless losers who don't work, because they need the money the most." Versus, "Yeah I look over the horizon, and it looks flat to me." Which of these is a more sane idea? Could I be wrong? Certainly, I consider the possibility that I may be mistaken. Even so, I realize there are far worse ideas that I could have.

One of your longer posts, Bulma. So, who are you producing your annotated version of the bible for? Or should I say, your redacted version?

I understand this may be your calling, just like being a Police officer was my calling. But, surely you must be editing the bible for an audience you have in mind?

As for flat earth, I see no point in wasting any more of my time and energy in this topic with you. You and Turbonium are like identical twins, maybe even conjoined twins. You have repeatedly either skipped reading my posts addressed to you or choose not to respond. If you think you can fall off the edge of the Earth or climb up some unseeable dome, why should I give a fuck?

Don't worry. Jack black and Data will stick around to continue trying in vain to refute your arguments, all to no avail. Maybe wasting people's time is your other calling?