WHY would the government trick us?

This is "Why would the government trick us," no?

Yes, and instead of providing any reason, you just keep lying to everyone.

So maybe the better question is why would FEers so desperately try to trick us?

And what do we see here but government-employed agents running disinformation campaigns for RE and NASA.

We don't see that, not unless you are suggesting YOU are a government employed agent spreading disinformation?

Lies are your stock and trade. Like so.

Projecting again.

"Was this helpful?" Yes, Assist, it was.

No, it wasn't, as you still haven't explained what makes things disappear from the bottom up.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 24, 2025, 01:02:54 PM

This is "Why would the government trick us," no?

Yes, and instead of providing any reason, you just keep lying to everyone.

So maybe the better question is why would FEers so desperately try to trick us?

Look man, paranoid much? Not every flat earth out there is trying to trick you. Some folks just believe different things than you do. And that's okay.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 24, 2025, 01:02:54 PM

And what do we see here but government-employed agents running disinformation campaigns for RE and NASA.

We don't see that, not unless you are suggesting YOU are a government employed agent spreading disinformation?

And we are the paranoid ones?!

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 24, 2025, 01:02:54 PM

Lies are your stock and trade. Like so.

Projecting again.

Is he though?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 24, 2025, 01:02:54 PM

"Was this helpful?" Yes, Assist, it was.

No, it wasn't, as you still haven't explained what makes things disappear from the bottom up.

It's almost like we have explained that almost 200 years ago and you keep ignoring it every time you post!

Hey you can check out Tom Bishops excellent blog at https://wiki.tfes.org if you'd like to learn more about the state of things in the 1900s. It might serve well to know of Newton before you argue against us Feynmans.

edit: Seriously though, all respect to Tom.

Look man, paranoid much? Not every flat earth out there is trying to trick you. Some folks just believe different things than you do. And that's okay.

Look man, projection much?

Remember, the FEers are the ones claiming that so much is fake and that so many people are lying to them.

And they continually use already refuted arguments to pretend Earth is flat, as if they are trying to trick people.

And we are the paranoid ones?!

Yes, for suggesting anyone who is arguing against you is a paid disinformation agent. Instead of accepting the possibility that some folks just believe different things than you do.

Is he though?

Yes.

It's almost like we have explained that almost 200 years ago and you keep ignoring it every time you post!

It's almost like you haven't explained it, and instead need to keep pretending you have, so you can continue to avoid explaining it.

Quote from: Username on March 10, 2025, 10:30:35 PM

Look man, paranoid much? Not every flat earth out there is trying to trick you. Some folks just believe different things than you do. And that's okay.

Look man, projection much?

You are right, the only flat earther that doesn't believe in a conspiracy is paranoid.

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And what do we see here but government-employed agents running disinformation campaigns for RE and NASA.

We don't see that, not unless you are suggesting YOU are a government employed agent spreading disinformation?

What seems more plausible when a government wants to rule people?

Encouraging them to question the established view of Earth?
Or telling them that they need to accept the established view?

In one of these Korean dramas, the girl was basically an expy from modern times (no, in-universe, but what she believed was just so implausible that it broke drama), wanting to be a court astronomer or something, and blurting out the meteors weren't a sign of misfortune but orbiting rocks and ice in space to the astronomer testing people. And the guy in private was like, "Look, I know that and you know that, but saying a minority opinion like that creates a panic."

So no, the most likely government agents are the ones defending status quo. That'd be you.

What seems more plausible when a government wants to rule people?

Encouraging them to question the established view of Earth?
Or telling them that they need to accept the established view?

Neither, because it doesn't help you control them.
At least not unless it is tied to religious BS.

What is more plausible when a government wants to rule people?
Have the government accept and promote the actual shape of Earth?
Or Have the government lie to everyone by claiming the shape of Earth is different to what it is, even though there are so many things that show they are wrong?

The latter opens them up to massive risks which would completely undermine them.
No sane government would do that, with the sole exception of governments appealing to outdated religious books to claim authority and that religious book claiming falsehoods.

So no, the most likely government agents are the ones defending status quo. That'd be you.

No, the most likely situation is that you are spouting pure BS, and needing to come up with this crap because you can't defend your BS.

Just from the point of view of being a disinformation agent, which is more likely?
Someone who can backup their views with evidence and logical reasoning, directly addressing comments made to them, somehow being a disinformation agent?
Or someone who needs to continually lie, deflect and flee, only to repeat the same lies again and again, and flee again and again, who clearly no evidence or rational arguments to back up their claims, being a disinformation agent.

YOU are acting like a disinformation agent, someone who is knowingly lying, so needs to use dishonest tactics because they can't defend their BS.

On that basis, you are vastly more likely to be one than any REer here.

Once again, the go to approach is to claim everything I say is Pure BS.
But how can we ascertain its purity? Maybe it has been adulterated with 15% of that nasty thing called truth.
Have you tested it out personally?

I think it seems reasonable that a government trying to reinforce the idea that NASA is a good investment would place a few people to talk any people wanting to look into Flat Earth as a theory out of that idea.  After all, that's tax money that doesn't get given.  Just like if the public looks closely at the sorry state of the Department of Education, and demands for the government not to waste more money on shitty ideas, and not collect until they teach decent stuff.

The government doesn't like to be accountable to investigations of waste, so they say anything to convince people that STEM experiments are always worth it (even when the experiment is actually to test if guinea pigs sweat while in a climate controlled room).

And NASA is waste. Yes, a few new devices have been made as an offshoot of their work. But it's like saying Planned Parenthood helps women. Actually, it helps men.


So when you ask me, "Why do I think the government has agents in Flat Earth forums?" It's not out of any paranoia. I don't have a persecution complex, I don't think THEY are out to get me. It's just a simple matter of economy. The government stands to lose money and control if the public starts demanding unrestricted travel across the world, and an end to the supposedly "environmental" treaty protecting Antarctica. And if they start asking, "How is NASA really spending their money? Are they really visiting other worlds? Or just making CGI of it?" So when I see Deep State stooges (c'mon, you guys are so obvious!) then I want to comment on it.

Once again, the go to approach is to claim everything I say is Pure BS.

No, I have repeatedly explained why what you say is pure BS.

I think it seems reasonable that a government trying to reinforce the idea that NASA is a good investment would place a few people to talk any people wanting to look into Flat Earth as a theory out of that idea.

Again, you think any crap you come up with is reasonable. But you can't justify it.
Firstly, they would use results.
Youi know things like GPS which is used worldwide on a daily basis by hundreds of millions of people (if not billions).
Do you really think they give a damn about crazy people like you that will just continue to reject reality at all costs?
You vastly overestimate your importance.

If anything, they would just pick people like you as an example of the insanity and stupidity of FEers and use that to dismiss FEers.
If anything, they would pay people to pretend to be FEers to spout all sorts of pathetic dishonest crap to show just how pathetic FEers are.
Again, this would point to YOU being vastly more likely to be the disinformation agent.

Afterall, why pay people to refute people who will not accept reason? Why not just pay to make them look like the morons/liars they are?

Just like if the public looks closely at the sorry state of the Department of Education, and demands for the government not to waste more money on shitty ideas, and not collect until they teach decent stuff.

You mean they don't teach the ideas that you agree with, so you want it changed.
Because for the most part, those "shitty ideas" are how reality works.

The government doesn't like to be accountable to investigations of waste, so they say anything to convince people that STEM experiments are always worth it (even when the experiment is actually to test if guinea pigs sweat while in a climate controlled room).

And where are they doing that?
And if they don't want to be accountable to investigations of waste, why would they waste money on paying people to argue online?
Again, your BS makes no sense.

So when you ask me, "Why do I think the government has agents in Flat Earth forums?" It's not out of any paranoia. I don't have a persecution complex, I don't think THEY are out to get me. It's just a simple matter of economy. The government stands to lose money and control if the public starts demanding unrestricted travel across the world, and an end to the supposedly "environmental" treaty protecting Antarctica. And if they start asking, "How is NASA really spending their money? Are they really visiting other worlds? Or just making CGI of it?" So when I see Deep State stooges (c'mon, you guys are so obvious!) then I want to comment on it.

Which stems from your inability to accept reality and your inability to defend your BS.
You use it as an excuse to dismiss people, to ignore what they say, because you can't refute it.
It isn't a matter of economy, because there is really no worth to wasting money on people refuting BS online.

You see what you want to see, because you can't accept reailty.

And if they don't want to be accountable to investigations of waste, why would they waste money on paying people to argue online?
Again, your BS makes no sense.

Biden's administration spent enormous money and effort trying to suppress investigation of the cause of inflation. It was staring them right in the face! No, no, maybe it's the war in Ukraine?

Why do you think JFK was killed? Because some lone wacko hated him? No, because there was corruption in government, and he was going to expose it. The wicked always try to hide their misdeeds. Goodness on the other hand, is shameless.

The few bucks they spend hiring lackeys to cover things up nets them billions (trillions?) in longer term income. Whereas if the public catches on, the gravy train dries up. Look at all the DEI and other three-letter-named groups getting worried about being in the DOGE house. It's because they were found out!

Do you really think they give a damn about crazy people like you that will just continue to reject reality at all costs?
You vastly overestimate your importance.

If that's true, then you guys leaving the forum would just mean a bunch of flat Earthers are in an echo chamber.

But you and I both know that you can't actually do that. You're under contract.

Afterall, why pay people to refute people who will not accept reason? Why not just pay to make them look like the morons/liars they are?

Because it's not about me. It was never about me.  For every person that comes into the forum seeking information on FE, and finds that instead of controlled opposition fake FE ideas or RE propaganda, someone actually arguing against this, then people might actually learn things.

Btw, they do that too. Those are the fake FE shills that deliberately try to look as stupid or crazy as possible. The controlled opposition.

Also, the sad fact is that there is a third category. Useful idiots. Unlike the paid professionals, useful idiots are effective because they were taught RE, never questioned it, and passionately believe it with all their hearts. So unlike the RE proselytes, they can't be caught in a lie, as they think they are telling the truth.

What seems more plausible when a government wants to rule people?

Encouraging them to question the established view of Earth?
Or telling them that they need to accept the established view?

Why does this whole government lying about the shape of the earth feel an awful lot like Taming of the Shrew where Petruchio tries to convince Kate that the sun is actually the moon when she can clearly see that it's the sun?

Give it a break Petruchio, it didn't work on Kate and it won't work on us.

I know for a fact NASA agents are on our forums. Just to add to the conversation a bit. SCG might confirm. I sent a few folks a message when I found out. But they are welcome here. If we can't own them here now, then where? and when?

You'd have quite a laugh at knowing who, and this isn't just drunk John. Totally legit NASA ip addresses. From longstanding users. Said I wouldn't say who.  Got a family, but it pays to have friends in low places, some days. Otherwise I wouldn't be here applying drunk filters and babbling.

Biden's administration spent enormous money and effort trying to suppress investigation of the cause of inflation.

Citation needed.

Why do you think JFK was killed?

Who knows.
But of course, nothing will stop you asserting pure BS and pretending it must be true, all to deflect from yet another series of arguments you cannot honestly address.

The few bucks they spend hiring lackeys to cover things up nets them billions (trillions?) in longer term income.

You mean expenditure, where they spend that money.
If they wanted to steal money, they would use the black budget, which has no accountability.

Look at all the DEI and other three-letter-named groups getting worried about being in the DOGE house. It's because they were found out!

Yet all it takes to despell that notion is the shit show which has already happened, with DODGE deciding a bunch of people should be fired, until it was realised they are actually quite important and desperately tyring to hire them back.
DOGE is just a pathetic show from a known conman.

If that's true, then you guys leaving the forum would just mean a bunch of flat Earthers are in an echo chamber.

But you and I both know that you can't actually do that. You're under contract.

No, neither of us knows that.
That is just a pathetic lie you need to keep saying.
You have no evidence at all for any of your BS.

Because it's not about me. It was never about me.

Yet here you are, a brilliant example of the stupidity and dishonesty of FEers.
Again, far easier to pay people to look like you and make FEers seem so stupid and dishonest, than paying people that actually have to think.

Btw, they do that too. Those are the fake FE shills that deliberately try to look as stupid or crazy as possible.

i.e. you?
Because you are certainly doing a good job of it.

Also, the sad fact is that there is a third category. Useful idiots.

This could also be you.
Look at how useful an idiot you have been to Dubay, pimping out his videos and showing a complete lack of reasoning, even saying you defer your thinking to him.

So unlike the RE proselytes, they can't be caught in a lie, as they think they are telling the truth.

No, even those you dismiss as RE proselytes think they are telling the truth, because all the evidence available supports a round Earth.

I know for a fact NASA agents are on our forums. Just to add to the conversation a bit. SCG might confirm. I sent a few folks a message when I found out. But they are welcome here. If we can't own them here now, then where? and when?

Then question then is if they are paid to do it, or if they are just shitposting in their free time?

So you're basically trying to tell me that you're not a shill, but a useful idiot.

 

Yeah right!

Even the most idiotic useful idiot would have woken up to the fact that if you aren't being paid, you shouldn't defend something that takes billions a year. To say nothing of literal hundreds of pages where any number of things could have convinced you, but didn't.

Dispel is spelled like so. Despell is a highly card name.

If they wanted to steal money, they would use the black budget, which has no accountability

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting. Do you have experience hiding income?

Citation needed

No citation needed. We actually saw the paid protesters on the news, the disqualification attempts, the COVID "pandemic" that kept everyone out of the polls and insisted people who would have watched for any cheating were six feet away. I can do the math, and I know the enormous expense of buying newspapers to get them to write that there is a plague going on when everyone seems afraid, and nobody seems sick.

The only reason at all that I post his videos is that it gets a rise out of you. And that it saves a long series of text paragraphs that you won't read anyway. Simpler just to tell you "Watch this video." Do I always agree with him? Not hardly! Here are examples of videos that I never post (until now!) because I completely have no use for.





Not into yoga, do believe in Christianity, and veganism is a good way to get an excess of trans fats if done wrong.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 12, 2025, 07:20:01 PM

What seems more plausible when a government wants to rule people?

Encouraging them to question the established view of Earth?
Or telling them that they need to accept the established view?

Why does this whole government lying about the shape of the earth feel an awful lot like Taming of the Shrew where Petruchio tries to convince Kate that the sun is actually the moon when she can clearly see that it's the sun?

Give it a break Petruchio, it didn't work on Kate and it won't work on us.

You're actually Petruchio in that analogy.

Preschool age kids can see the sun orbiting the Earth. In primary school they have to actually be taught otherwise. Hmmmm... instinctual idea or artificially imposed one? I'm gonna go with instinct, even if it turns out to be wrong. After all, birds fly and fish swim because of instinct. If humans tried to teach birds about gravity, you'd wind up with dead birds.

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting.

You’ve led a very sheltered life, haven’t you?  I find it interesting that you haven’t learned the conspiracy lingo yet.

So you're basically trying to tell me that you're not a shill, but a useful idiot.

No.
I'm saying I'm the one saying the truth, as repeatedly demonstrated by my ability to justify my claims and refute your BS.
You are the one that is either a shill, a troll or a useful idiot, as demonstrated by you repeatedly spouting pure BS, only to flee from the refutation of your BS and complete inability to defend your claims, combined with your repeated lies.

To say nothing of literal hundreds of pages where any number of things could have convinced you, but didn't.

Have you considered that the reason those "any number of things" didn't convince me, because I'm not an idiot.
Whereas an idiot like you will allow a liar like Dubay to do your thinking for you, and convince you with any crap.

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting. Do you have experience hiding income?

Which just further demonstrates you are just spouting whatever delusional crap you want with no rational thought or investigation at all.
If you truly cared about the government allegedly hiding money, it would be easy for you to discover the black budget, especially since it has been going on for over 50 years.
It is a budget allegedly for military and non-military intelligence programs which require secrecy, that disclosing the details of publicly would undermine or create a risk to national security.
For example, the Manhattan project was done in secret which necessitated not publicly disclosing what the funds were being used for.

That was roughly $50 billion in 2009, compared to NASA's budget of ~$18 billion.
And NASA's budget is publicly accountable, with results being expected from it. So they need to use that money to produce things or provide services.
The black budget on the other hand has basically no accountability.

So it makes no sense at all for NASA or the shape of Earth to be used to try to get money.

No citation needed.

If you don't want to provide evidence for your BS, then it will dismissed as BS.


 We actually saw the paid protesters on the news, the disqualification attempts, the COVID "pandemic" that kept everyone out of the polls and insisted people who would have watched for any cheating were six feet away. I can do the math, and I know the enormous expense of buying newspapers to get them to write that there is a plague going on when everyone seems afraid, and nobody seems sick.

The only reason at all that I post his videos is that it gets a rise out of you.

So you admit you are just a pathetic troll?

And that it saves a long series of text paragraphs that you won't read anyway

Except as clearly shown by my replies, I do read them, and explain why you are wrong.
Meanwhile, you just entirely ignore the refutations of your BS, and the refutations of the crappy videos.
So this just further demonstrates how much of a dishonest POS you are and how little you care about the truth.

So which is it?
Are you a paid shill, paid to make FEers look stupid and dishonest (which you are doing a great job of);
a useful idiot that has blindly accepted pure BS by FE conmen;
or a pathetic troll with no life at all?

Preschool age kids can see the sun orbiting the Earth.

Just like they see their parents whiz around them when they are sitting stationary in a merry go round?
And they see light poles and fences and so on fly past them while they sit stationary on a highway?

All that shows is relative motion.
Those that are capable of thinking, and who choose to do so, recognise that that simple visual observations like that can't tell you which is moving.
But not a useful idiot like you.
You just accept that crap without thinking and conclude it must mean Earth is stationary.

Likewise, those capable of thinking, and who choose to do so, recognise that all the stars (excluding the sun) appearing to circle together, such that you can set up a telescope to track them and have them appear stationary while Earth moves, provides a strong indication that it is Earth that is rotating, not all the stars.

I'm gonna go with instinct, even if it turns out to be wrong.

i.e. you don't give a damn what is true. You don't give a damn about evidence or rational thought.

So stop pretending you do.
Admit you are a useful idiot that doesn't care about the truth.

Quote from: markjo on March 13, 2025, 04:49:43 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 12, 2025, 07:20:01 PM

What seems more plausible when a government wants to rule people?

Encouraging them to question the established view of Earth?
Or telling them that they need to accept the established view?

Why does this whole government lying about the shape of the earth feel an awful lot like Taming of the Shrew where Petruchio tries to convince Kate that the sun is actually the moon when she can clearly see that it's the sun?

Give it a break Petruchio, it didn't work on Kate and it won't work on us.

You're actually Petruchio in that analogy.

Preschool age kids can see the sun orbiting the Earth. In primary school they have to actually be taught otherwise. Hmmmm... instinctual idea or artificially imposed one? I'm gonna go with instinct, even if it turns out to be wrong. After all, birds fly and fish swim because of instinct. If humans tried to teach birds about gravity, you'd wind up with dead birds.

If the flat earth movement has does anything positive for this world, it's that it has highlighted the fact most of us are in fact indoctrinated from early school into believing the Earth is a sphere. None of us are taught in school how we KNOW Earth is a sphere, and HOW we can prove to ourselves, Earth is a sphere. But, lots of experiments and ways to know, have been made available to the average Joe, who have since proven to themselves Earth is a globe. So now  they know it is a globe.

For this reason, I am very grateful for the flat earth movement.

I've noticed however, that flat earthers "flatly" refuse to do any experiments which prove the Earth they live on, is a giant sphere moving through the flatness of space. Flat earthers like you, would rather flat line than admit Earth is a sphere, and flat out deny such a possibility. Ultimately, Bulma, all your arguments the Earth lays flat, well, falls flat.

You'll dig your heels in and stomp your feet that Earth is flat, because it just is, ey, Bulma?

The bible wouldn't lie to you, would it, Bulma? 

So you're basically trying to tell me that you're not a shill, but a useful idiot.

 

Yeah right!

Even the most idiotic useful idiot would have woken up to the fact that if you aren't being paid, you shouldn't defend something that takes billions a year. To say nothing of literal hundreds of pages where any number of things could have convinced you, but didn't.

Dispel is spelled like so. Despell is a highly card name.

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If they wanted to steal money, they would use the black budget, which has no accountability

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting. Do you have experience hiding income?

Garbage
The useful idiot is the poor man who contiuously votes for benefits for billionaires while complaining hes being overtaxed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2025, 05:22:52 AM

So you're basically trying to tell me that you're not a shill, but a useful idiot.

 

Yeah right!

Even the most idiotic useful idiot would have woken up to the fact that if you aren't being paid, you shouldn't defend something that takes billions a year. To say nothing of literal hundreds of pages where any number of things could have convinced you, but didn't.

Dispel is spelled like so. Despell is a highly card name.

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If they wanted to steal money, they would use the black budget, which has no accountability

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting. Do you have experience hiding income?

Garbage
The useful idiot is the poor man who contiuously votes for benefits for billionaires while complaining hes being overtaxed.

ABC News Investigations of the Year: The Solyndra Scandal

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Blotter/abc-news-investigations-year-solyndra-scandal/story?id=15199603

Vs crony capitalism and the politicians that hold power over who gets what and protected as long as they are a card carrying party member? 

Crony capitalism was fed under democrats with those with ties making the shots and calls.  Where there was still people becoming those pesky billionaires.  That in return fund democrats. 

In the US, not much difference between the parties when it comes to spending and cronyism. 


Added. Was wondering what happened to the CEO of Solyndra

Biden Admin Gives $6.6 Billion to Project Run By Ex-Solyndra CEO
Brian Harrison led green energy company to bankruptcy after receiving $500 million in Obama admin loans

https://freebeacon.com/energy/biden-admin-gives-6-6-billion-to-project-run-by-ex-solyndra-ceo/

?   If true, can’t make this stuff up….

You’ve led a very sheltered life, haven’t you?  I find it interesting that you haven’t learned the conspiracy lingo yet.

Not that sheltered. But it seems to me those who would know best about conspiracy lingo are the people like this:

The useful idiot is the poor man who contiuously votes for benefits for billionaires while complaining hes being overtaxed.

Heh. Hahaha. Hehehohomuahahahahahaha!!!


The truth of the matter is billionaires support both parties, but liberals tend to like more government and more control from the state, while conservatives want more business freedom and less government intervention.

Who bails out companies more? Probably the left. They after all support government intervention, after all.



https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/242896-where-is-the-left-on-corporate-bailouts/

So the right wants to end corporate welfare, and the left falls silent when the government bails out the corporations.  Hmmmm...

Yes, useful idiots are always voting for big corporations!

Quote from: Themightykabool on March 14, 2025, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2025, 05:22:52 AM

So you're basically trying to tell me that you're not a shill, but a useful idiot.

 

Yeah right!

Even the most idiotic useful idiot would have woken up to the fact that if you aren't being paid, you shouldn't defend something that takes billions a year. To say nothing of literal hundreds of pages where any number of things could have convinced you, but didn't.

Dispel is spelled like so. Despell is a highly card name.

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If they wanted to steal money, they would use the black budget, which has no accountability

You see, I don't know what a black budget is, having never heard the term before. That you do is kinda interesting. Do you have experience hiding income?

Garbage
The useful idiot is the poor man who contiuously votes for benefits for billionaires while complaining hes being overtaxed.

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ABC News Investigations of the Year: The Solyndra Scandal

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Blotter/abc-news-investigations-year-solyndra-scandal/story?id=15199603

Vs crony capitalism and the politicians that hold power over who gets what and protected as long as they are a card carrying party member? 

Crony capitalism was fed under democrats with those with ties making the shots and calls.  Where there was still people becoming those pesky billionaires.  That in return fund democrats. 

In the US, not much difference between the parties when it comes to spending and cronyism. 


Added. Was wondering what happened to the CEO of Solyndra

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Biden Admin Gives $6.6 Billion to Project Run By Ex-Solyndra CEO
Brian Harrison led green energy company to bankruptcy after receiving $500 million in Obama admin loans

https://freebeacon.com/energy/biden-admin-gives-6-6-billion-to-project-run-by-ex-solyndra-ceo/

?   If true, can’t make this stuff up….

Thats the same outcome but a different side of the mechanism.

There isnt one single reason to create a billioniare.



My specific point was to bulma who continuously runs his mouth about protecting billionaires.

I've never said we should protect billionaires. Not that I have any shame about it.

But you have a serious envy/denial thing going on.

You envy the rich and deny it by trying to make them villains in your own mind.
https://rlo.acton.org/archives/121175-how-socialism-fosters-an-envious-covetous-worldview.html

I don't care about the rich enough to want their money. Letting go of that envy means I in turn see that taxes against them are the petty graspings of people who want that swimming pool or cool sound system or million dollar garden or big house. I only want what I have to remain what I have, what little it is.

I have the perfect thing to cure you of it, in fact.

Watch The Money Pit with Tom Hanks.


You see, it's one thing to have a nice house. It's quite another to have no ability to take care of it.

Or just ask my brother. $100,000/hr income, yet he has three spoiled children and his showers don't work. My dad is retired, works part-time as a minister, and we have a house in better shape. To say nothing of the way he wastes what he has. His family would toss a steak away because of the expiration date, whereas we'd accept overdue food at discount price without any question. The point being that wealth is only as good or bad as knowing how to use it.

Mmm "leave the billioanires alone"

Tell me more how their abuse of access to politicians and monpolization of goods and export of local economy should be protected.

If a company takes minerals out of your land should they not pay taxes for that access?

If a company takes minerals out of your land and leavss an ecological cleanup to others, should they not pay taxes for that access?


So
If a company takes labor from the local human pop resource and leaves a health crisis of weathersd elderly with bad knees, shouldnt yhey pay taces?

or uses its monopolized access to customers to mine them of economic money shouldnt they pay taxes?

No, you say.
No because you love billionairss.
Because youre a useful idiot.

The truth of the matter is billionaires support both parties, but liberals tend to like more government and more control from the state, while conservatives want more business freedom and less government intervention.

Now try that more honestly.
The left wants to regulate businesses and tax them so common people can live and survive.
The right wants to deregulate them so they can force you to work for basically nothing and still be required to sign a legally enforceable non-compete agreement, to effectively keep you as a slave.

Who bails out companies more? Probably the left.

i.e. rather than even attempt any investigation, you just make shit up and go with it as if it is fact.

Just keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Communism in theory and in practice are two totally different things. In theory, everyone in equal. In practice, everyone is equally poor by cutting the legs off of people who stand higher than others. It's a race to the bottom, and Mao Zedong lives differently from 99% of the population. I have been to China. You want a 99% situation? It's where everyone is ostensibly equal.

The left wants Marxism, having never cracked open a history book.

As for trying to stop the billionaires? Yeahhhhh... good luck with that. The billionaires always vote for who is in power. The important thing is that it also helps the poor. High taxes do not help the poor. So if Trump is annoyed that the IRS can investigate him, it is in the best interest not only of the elite but also the poor to get out of his way.

Regulation of business doesn't help anyone. Suppose I start a small computer business. Let's suppose it requires a computer technician license, even though what I'm actually doing is helping little old ladies with their computers. Now suppose this license costs a little bit of money to endure the training program, and takes time that I could using working and earning money. As a small business, I really can't afford this sorta thing for maybe $20 to $40 pay per visit for each lady. Meanwhile, this doesn't affect a large company like Walmart. They outsource training companies or make employees go to that at their own expense. These regulations always hurt small businesses, as large businesses lobbied for them to kill off competition.

Regulation of business doesn't help anyone. Suppose I start a small computer business. Let's suppose it requires a computer technician license, even though what I'm actually doing is helping little old ladies with their computers. Now suppose this license costs a little bit of money to endure the training program, and takes time that I could using working and earning money. As a small business, I really can't afford this sorta thing for maybe $20 to $40 pay per visit for each lady.

If you're charging $20-40 per visit, then you don't have a business, you have a hobby. 

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 15, 2025, 06:35:26 AM

The truth of the matter is billionaires support both parties, but liberals tend to like more government and more control from the state, while conservatives want more business freedom and less government intervention.

Now try that more honestly.
The left wants to regulate businesses and tax them so common people can live and survive.
The right wants to deregulate them so they can force you to work for basically nothing and still be required to sign a legally enforceable non-compete agreement, to effectively keep you as a slave.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 15, 2025, 06:35:26 AM

Who bails out companies more? Probably the left.

i.e. rather than even attempt any investigation, you just make shit up and go with it as if it is fact.

To be clear

The dems and repubs are left and rifht of each other, but not of the overton and not of the political map.


Dems clearly lose so payhetically its alsmodst, allllmost as if they do ot on purpose.
Snow piercer:  the front and back work  together.
Snatch:   you go down in the fourth

Rgularion most definitely helps people.

It sets abase standard of safety skill and environemntal protections.
Then there are some economic ones that prfvent predatory practices and basic stbility clauses.


Once again
Youre a moron who is complaining about monpolization regulations that prevent an indepdent small business owner fromncompeting against big box corp
And confusing it with
Protections for consumers.


So tell me
Which group will deregulation most benefit?
Poluters?
Predatory loaners/ middle mans?
Monopolizers?

Or your computer business?

When was the last time you had access to the president?
Or is your annual $ a few commas not worth his time?