Are There Extra Lands

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Re: Are There Extra Lands
« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2024, 12:31:36 PM »
It's what you and Jack should do  ;D
Why?
Don't like us refuting your BS, so you want us to just disappear?

Again, you have yet to prove why it should turn north.
It has been proven, and you ignored it.

Here, however, the majority appears to be flat Earthers, but they have all been bullied into silence
Pointing out arguments are BS, and continually refuting them is not bullying.

They were literally minding their business before you people came.
No, they weren't.
They were encouraging a dangerous mindset of rejecting reality, which led to things like people rejecting health advice during a pandemic and killing far more people.
It leads to rejection of things like climate change which is actively harming people.

So no, they were not minding their own business.

This is why you cannot agree with me. Because you are terrified of this world having anything outside it other than emptiness.
Quite the opposite.
This is why YOU cannot agree.
Because you are so terrified of the universe being vast and empty. You need it to care about you.

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bulmabriefs144

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« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2024, 01:59:32 PM »
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I thought the New Testament was written in Greek and Hebrew?

What word is that?

Probably shouldn't be arguing with people if you don't know what they are talking about.

In Israel, the languages were Hebrew and Aramaic. Aramaic is now a dead language except for a few speakers. It influenced the development of Arabic. Jesus would have spoken Aramaic a fair amount as a Jew. The Greek part comes from the fact that Greek was the lingua franca of that world (like English today, everyone spoke it). The trouble with the New Testament is two-fold. Firstly, the problems of translating Hebrew & Aramaic into Greek. Second, Hebrew/Aramaic were languages that for much of their history had no vowels. The vowels were recited by oral tradition. So if time passed, and it was no longer known whether the word was abugar or ibegur (I made those words up), you could get a muddled meaning. Under ideal circumstances, this is not a problem due to context. But in some cases due to textual errors (an ink blot being mistaken for a line or a tablet indentation made in error) or by design through correct priests, you'd get strange text like "like a lion my hands and feet" instead of "they pierce my hands and feet." Or "Simon the leper" (ahem, jarmaker, as the story tells of a rare jar of perfume). Or "It is easier for a camel (rope) to pass through the eye of a needle." Modern Jews and Christians think there words are unambiguous, but the kinda aren't. 
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« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2024, 04:05:53 PM »

Probably shouldn't be arguing with people if you don't know what they are talking about.


What languages were the 4 gospels of the New Testament written in?

This is the scripture in question.


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Matthew 5

If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.


Jusses was preaching figuratively.

The verse across various translations is “gouge out your eye, cut off your hand.”

Now.  What recorded account actually recorded what Jesus exactly said in Aramaic?  Where can I find that recorded account. 
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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2024, 04:12:50 PM »

Probably shouldn't be arguing with people if you don't know what they are talking about.



Funny.  You’re the one ignorant enough to believe a “false prophet” of flat earth and the lies of a video soundly debunked beyond doubt. 

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« Reply #154 on: February 16, 2024, 04:19:59 PM »
Again, you have yet to prove why it should turn north.

This is so stupid.

The partial red circle represents the “orbit” of the sun on a FE.



For a person looking “relative” west from their position on the USA, the sun has to turn right.

For a person looking relative west in California out to sea, the sun has to literally turn right or north for it to orbit above a FE.  The sun on a flat Earth has to literally continuously turn. 

Flat earth is soundly debunked.  Your to entrenched in dogma to even comprehend.  You’re blind to the obvious. 
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« Reply #155 on: February 16, 2024, 07:38:36 PM »
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What languages were the 4 gospels of the New Testament written in?

This is the scripture in question.

What language did Jesus speak? Hebrew and/or Aramaic.

Suppose I speak to you in English. And you say the authoritative account of my words is in Portuguese. Would this be accurate? Or can I rightly say you're all wet?

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What recorded account actually recorded what Jesus exactly said in Aramaic?  Where can I find that recorded account.

Here ya go!

https://www.thearamaicscriptures.com/

Oh, and I see something noticeably missing from the Aramaic scriptures. Revelation. This is because unlike much of the church tainted by Roman Catholicism, they don't seem to see that as authoritative.

So back to that text of yours.
"29 But, if your right eye causes you to makshla {stumble/offend i.e. to sin}, pluck it out and throw it from you, for, it is better for you that one of your members should perish, and not all your body be thrown into Gihana {Gehenna}. 30 And if your right hand causes you to makshla {to stumble/offend i.e. to sin}, cut it off and throw it from you, for, it is better for you that one from your members should perish and not all your body be thrown into Gihana {Gehenna}."

He was actually speaking in context. He talked immediately before about sins of adultery. It would be better for you to be blind or unable to touch than to use your hands or eyes in lust after a woman. You see, those lusts usually end in you being murdered. Nothing figurative about it. He is literally better not to see or touch, as you won't be cursed by a jealous lover.

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You’re the one ignorant enough to believe a “false prophet” of flat earth...

Ah, I see. So you hold the orthodoxy, hmmm?

I believe in myself, and in God. I don't put stock in the words of men. Meanwhile, go and learn what this means.
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

From my own experiences, I know the Earth is flat. Anyone after that simply offers ideas.
Is it from your own experiences that you're sure Earth is round? No, you "know" from the various teachers you've gathered for you. Like this guy.

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« Reply #156 on: February 16, 2024, 08:18:00 PM »
What language did Jesus speak? Hebrew and/or Aramaic.
Well the first question to ask is if Jesus existed in the first place.
But as you have already drunk the cool aid I guess you skip over that.

Why would a god allow their words to be corrupted so much?

Meanwhile, go and learn what this means.
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Sure seems to match you quite well.
You don't like evidence based "doctrine" and instead you reject that and go listen to FE preachers.

From my own experiences, I know the Earth is flat.
No, you don't. You foolishly believe it. But you cannot justify it at all.

Is it from your own experiences that you're sure Earth is round?
Yes. The fact that plenty of other things show this as well doesn't negate that my experiences show Earth is round.

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Re: Are There Extra Lands
« Reply #157 on: February 17, 2024, 01:07:41 AM »
What language did Jesus speak? Hebrew and/or Aramaic.
Well the first question to ask is if Jesus existed in the first place.
But as you have already drunk the cool aid I guess you skip over that.

Why would a god allow their words to be corrupted so much?

Meanwhile, go and learn what this means.
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Sure seems to match you quite well.
You don't like evidence based "doctrine" and instead you reject that and go listen to FE preachers.

From my own experiences, I know the Earth is flat.
No, you don't. You foolishly believe it. But you cannot justify it at all.

Is it from your own experiences that you're sure Earth is round?
Yes. The fact that plenty of other things show this as well doesn't negate that my experiences show Earth is round.



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Re: Are There Extra Lands
« Reply #158 on: February 17, 2024, 01:33:22 AM »


He was actually speaking in context. He talked immediately before about sins of adultery. It would be better for you to be blind or unable to touch than to use your hands or eyes in lust after a woman.

you think the you should literally cut your hand off or gouge out your eye.


Which is not what Apple Scruff

it meant what we would mean when we say “cut it out!”. In other words, STOP IT. If you are doing something that is offensive or harmful, stop it

The bible and has this..

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It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

— Isaiah 40:22 (NKJV)


Which, oddly enough.  A circle has the same outline as a sphere?


So how can a circle have four comers?


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He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.

— Isaiah 11:12 (NKJV)

Ever think the bible is very figurativ vs literal.

But on a flat earth, the sun would literally have to continuously and visually turn relative to the viewer in the USA like this.


The animation isn't meant to convey that the sun (or Moon) moves in a straight line. It's meant to show that perspective of a very close and small sun would shrink as it moves further from you or you move further than it. It doesn't shrink like everything else in our perspective does.



If fact, time lapse of the sun should create a similar pattern like the star trails in the norther hemisphere. 

For one night?



The sun should circle the celestial North Pole on a FE.

But the sun does this…. For six months…



Again.  Flat earth soundly debunked…




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« Reply #159 on: February 17, 2024, 01:35:36 AM »


Well the first question to ask is if Jesus existed in the first place.


God have us free will.  So we don’t always act in accordance with the rules of creation.  Pretty simple.  😁

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JackBlack

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« Reply #160 on: February 17, 2024, 02:15:47 AM »

Yes, people like you.
Which is why you entirely ignore arguments that show you are wrong, and instead spend more time on insulting those who show you are wrong.


God have us free will.  So we don’t always act in accordance with the rules of creation.  Pretty simple.  😁
Yet everything is allegedly part of its plan, meaning we aren't acting with free will, and it repeatedly violates free will.
Pretty BS.

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« Reply #161 on: February 17, 2024, 03:17:06 AM »


Yet everything is allegedly part of its plan, meaning we aren't acting with free will, and it repeatedly violates free will.
Pretty BS.

And yet. For coming from primordial  soup we have the need of some moral code where others may wrong us and need to be apologised to.  What’s some hurt feelings in the whole of the universe? Or this tiny thread? What is a lie to the sun?  The truth to a nova?  Yet we have the capacity to love and sacrifice?  To what end when a gamma ray burst could end almost all life and on earth at any second. 

Have you ever sacrificed JackBlack?  Why?  To what end?  Would it stop a hurricane or a tornado? 


Or we all just little biological bots making excuses for all our behaviour being driven by hormones.

Are you just a big walking hormone factory JackBlack, or do you have a soul?


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« Reply #162 on: February 17, 2024, 05:00:25 AM »
What language did Jesus speak? Hebrew and/or Aramaic.
Well the first question to ask is if Jesus existed in the first place.

About that.

Whether Jesus did miracles, rose from the dead, etc are matters of faith. However, that Jesus died on the cross for our sins... That he existed...

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No serious historian doubts the existence of Jesus Christ. Atheist scholars and Christians alike acknowledge the reality and impact of his life.

Why does no serious historian doubt his existence? Because there are records of him in history from his enemies. From outside Christianity as well as in it. Moreover, the only delay in the disciples immediately writing about him was that they were kinda sorta busy trying to survive persecution. Moreover, they were willing to die facing extreme punishment rather than recant. People don't die for something they don't believe is 100% true.

Contrast to Muhammad where history now insists as a historical figure. However Robert Spencer and others point out that the actual story of his existence was hogwash. A community-planned folk tale to lend credibly to their actions.  They had noticed that all the major empires of the world had religious trappings. So as part of a get-rich-quick-scheme they manmade a god and his prophet. This prophet was allowed to marry multiple women, to steal, to kill, and even to be a pedophile. But the origins of this myth are not in Mecca, an area that was in the desert and originally had no water. It was up north of that, which is why the earliest mosques face north. Yes, there are serious doubts to the existence of this man continuing with the fact that his name is actually a title, and it wasn't until centuries later that a "life and times" of him was made. In other words, until enemies of Christ started including this story in history as the cause of Islam (instead of a bunch of ruffians uniting under the banner of a lie), the only historical evidence was within Islam. It is easy to kill and steal on behalf of lies. Hell, you don't even have to know the truth. Killing and stealing is just too tempting.

Not only do atheist historians admit Jesus existed but they have no doubt he died on the cross. What you won't find in these histories is the idea that Jesus is some kind of big name priest. As far as they are concerned, he's some small-scale wandering rabbi whose followers did a really good job at spreading the news of who he was.
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If the death of Jesus was a myth, it had to be created overnight, since within weeks Christians were preaching the saving power of Christ's suffering and death. Even more significant, it was being preached in Jerusalem—the very city which had the greatest interest in making sure the error was stopped. As far as the Jewish leaders were concerned, this new religion was a distortion of the Jewish faith, and, in fact, was blasphemy, since Christians claimed that Jesus was himself the Son of God (Mark 14:61-64). “We have a law,” the Jewish leaders said to Pilate, “and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God” (John 19:7).

The fact is that Christians openly based their faith on the fact that Jesus was publicly tried, condemned, executed, and raised from the dead. They spoke this way within weeks after these events, when thousands of people who opposed this faith could have proved it wrong, if Jesus had not died. They could have gone to Pilate the governor or Herod the king or the Jewish Council or the soldiers or other witnesses of the crucifixion and gotten proof that he had not been condemned or crucified the way Christians said he was. But, in fact, no one did that. Everyone in Jerusalem knew that Jesus had been crucified, and many had watched him die. The resurrection was disputed, but not the crucifixion.

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Moreover why would a group of Jews (for all the first Christians were Jews by birth) fabricate the death of Christ? The Christians had nothing to gain from creating the story of a crucified Messiah. It made the spread of Christianity almost impossible from a natural viewpoint. Crucifixion was an obscene form of torture and execution reserved for despised criminals. Most people, hearing the Christian message that Jesus Christ was the divine Son of God who died by crucifixion, thought it was ludicrous. One of the earliest first-century Christian preachers said, “ We preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles [that is, non-Jews]” (1 Corinthians 1:23 ). It was not to the advantage of Christians to concoct a crucified Messiah. It made their life and mission much harder.

The claim of many Muslims that Christ was never crucified, and that early Christians were mistaken or were myth-makers, goes against all the historical and intuitive evidence. The key issue between Christians and Muslims is not first and foremost the identity of Allah, but the fact and meaning of the death of Jesus Christ. This is also true for Judaism and Christianity: Who was this Jesus and why did he die? Both Judaism and Islam deny the essence of Christianity—that Jesus was the long-expected Messiah, the divine Son of God, who was crucified and raised from the dead to bring forgiveness of sins and eternal life to all who believe in him.

And this.
https://www.hillfaith.org/history/theres-more-historical-evidence-for-jesus-than-for-tiberius-caesar/
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« Reply #163 on: February 17, 2024, 05:21:35 AM »



About that.



About what?

You posted this..



He was actually speaking in context. He talked immediately before about sins of adultery. It would be better for you to be blind or unable to touch than to use your hands or eyes in lust after a woman.



Which is not what Apple Scruff posted?

it meant what we would mean when we say “cut it out!”. In other words, STOP IT. If you are doing something that is offensive or harmful, stop it

The bible and has this..  which you are ignoring. 

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It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

— Isaiah 40:22 (NKJV)


Which, oddly enough.  A circle has the same outline as a sphere?


So how can a circle have four comers if the below bible verse is literal? 


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He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.

— Isaiah 11:12 (NKJV)

Ever think the bible is very figurative vs literal.

Again, you have yet to prove why it should turn north.

But on a flat earth, the sun would literally have to continuously and visually turn relative to the viewer in the USA like this.


The animation isn't meant to convey that the sun (or Moon) moves in a straight line. It's meant to show that perspective of a very close and small sun would shrink as it moves further from you or you move further than it. It doesn't shrink like everything else in our perspective does.



If fact, time lapse of the sun should create a similar pattern like the star trails in the norther hemisphere. 

For one night?


https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cd57d59ca525b7e9eae595c/a3311d67-06f0-460b-8122-3b19dc423ff8/Startrail+northern+light+w+watermark.jpg


The sun should circle the celestial North Pole on a FE.

But the sun does this…. For six months…


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Again.  Flat earth soundly debunked…

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« Reply #164 on: February 17, 2024, 05:38:53 AM »

If fact, time lapse of the sun should create a similar pattern like the star trails in the norther hemisphere. 

For one night?


It's good that you mention this. You see, the only two ways that you would get a pattern like this is if the Earth rotated in place like a rotisserie (no orbit), or if the stars orbit the Earth.
By contrast, what RE claims is that Earth orbits the sun while tilting and wobbling, while both of them spiral around the Milky Way galaxy.
https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https://blogs-images.forbes.com/startswithabang/files/2018/08/motion_through_universe.jpg
The shape does not match up. And the stars are the same despite this supposed trip.

RE soundly debunked.
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« Reply #165 on: February 17, 2024, 06:01:31 AM »

It's good that you mention this. You see, the only two ways that you would get a pattern like this is if the Earth rotated in place like a rotisserie (no orbit), or if the stars orbit the Earth.


Why wouldn’t stars relative stationary to a rotating earth not produce this?

3b19dc423ff8/Startrail+northern+light+w+watermark.jpg


Where at the South Pole, a similar picture can be taken but the stars trail in a different direction?

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Star trails seen during the Antarctic winter over the Harker Glacier on the island of South Georgia.
PHOTOGRAPH BY SAM CRIMMIN, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC YOUR SHOT

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140319-antarctica-big-bang-inflation-telescope-south-pole-astronomy

And at the equator the star trails do this…


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https://vivekphoto.com/2018/12/08/celestial-equator/amp/

(Where’s that delusional parabola?)

With you once again bulmabriefs144 trying to change the argument

The sun supposedly orbits the celestial North Pole on a flat earth like this…




Is that false.

On a flat earth, supposedly the starts orbit the celestial North Pole.  Like this.


Is that false.

So.  Why isn’t the sun orbiting the celestial North Pole. 



media.9news.com/assets/KUSA/images/7fbcc9eb-dbf7-4c4e-b6e8-b7282b27549c/7fbcc9eb-dbf7-4c4e-b6e8-b7282b27549c_1140x641.jpg

Note.  Added..  bulmabriefs144, why did you ignore and try to change the subject away from the above picture of sun trails that show the sun doesn’t orbit the celestial North Pole as required by flat earth?

Again.  Flat earth soundly debunked…
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« Reply #166 on: February 17, 2024, 06:03:19 AM »

It's good that you mention this.

Trying to change the subject again…


You posted this..



He was actually speaking in context. He talked immediately before about sins of adultery. It would be better for you to be blind or unable to touch than to use your hands or eyes in lust after a woman.



Which is not what Apple Scruff posted?

it meant what we would mean when we say “cut it out!”. In other words, STOP IT. If you are doing something that is offensive or harmful, stop it

The bible has this..  which you are ignoring. 

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It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

— Isaiah 40:22 (NKJV)


Which, oddly enough.  A circle has the same outline as a sphere?


So how can a circle have four comers if the below bible verse is literal? 


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He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.

— Isaiah 11:12 (NKJV)

Ever think the bible is very figurative vs literal.

. How does a circle in a literal bible have four corners?
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Re: Are There Extra Lands
« Reply #167 on: February 17, 2024, 08:35:54 AM »

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« Reply #168 on: February 17, 2024, 08:52:31 AM »


Funny, you used the term “troll” in another thread.  But Apple Scruff you offer no actual developed arguments or explanations.  Just random crap and links. 

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« Reply #169 on: February 17, 2024, 09:01:56 AM »
It’s fun to post random things.

Funny, a post that uses an actual photo?


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

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« Reply #170 on: February 17, 2024, 10:18:52 AM »
It’s fun to post random things.

Funny, a post that uses an actual photo?


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.

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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #171 on: February 17, 2024, 10:26:19 AM »

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.

From the phraseology and cadence of your sentence which is absolutely void of any proof of a flat earth, you are full of the technical term “BS”.   

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« Reply #172 on: February 17, 2024, 12:49:30 PM »
And yet. For coming from primordial  soup we have the need of some moral code where others may wrong us and need to be apologised to.  What’s some hurt feelings in the whole of the universe? Or this tiny thread? What is a lie to the sun?  The truth to a nova?  Yet we have the capacity to love and sacrifice?  To what end when a gamma ray burst could end almost all life and on earth at any second.
Trying to say nature doesn't care doesn't give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.

This wasn't even focusing on that.
This was just pointing out the idea of free will being an excuse doesn't work considering how often your god allegedly interferes with it.

However, that Jesus died on the cross for our sins... That he existed...
Is still a question up for debate.
Was there a single Jesus figure, or are the stories recorded in the Bible a collection of stories about a bunch of different people.
I would say there is about as much evidence for Jesus existing, as there is for Harry Potter.

But again, notice how you latch onto the religious BS, rather than focusing on the fact that your fantasy Earth simply doesn't work.

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« Reply #173 on: February 17, 2024, 12:56:50 PM »
It's good that you mention this. You see, the only two ways that you would get a pattern like this is if the Earth rotated in place like a rotisserie (no orbit), or if the stars orbit the Earth.
Wrong again.
The effect of the orbit will depend upon the size of it.

The fact you accept Earth rotating in place can cause it means you accept that not being directly at the centre can cause an insignificant variation to the pattern.
And guess what else can? A small displacement due to the orbit.

By contrast, what RE claims is that Earth orbits the sun while tilting and wobbling, while both of them spiral around the Milky Way galaxy.
How many times are you planning on repeating this same dishonest BS?

Again, it isn't that it is "tilting". It is that it is tilted, that the axis of rotation is not aligned with the orbit.
That is not motion, that is a statement about 2 parts of its motion.
The effect of this tilt is that the SUN appears to change the angle of elevation at solar noon and a few similar things.
It does nothing to the other stars.
The effect on the stars is the precision of that, which takes an incredibly long time and will not be visible in a time-lapse.

The effect of the orbit is a tiny displacement, which again is entirely insignificant unless you have very precise tools to measure it.

Likewise, the motion of the solar system through the milky way will produce a tiny difference.

So no, the RE explains it just fine.

Do you know what doesn't explain it?
The stars circling in a disc or dome overhead a flat stationary Earth.
There is no way for such stars to drop below the equator. Nor for them to circle a point due south, nor for them to move in a vertical circle about you at the equator.

FE soundly debunked.

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.
I take it that is just your fancy way of saying that Earth is round and you refuse to admit it?

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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #174 on: February 17, 2024, 01:04:11 PM »


Trying to say nature doesn't care doesn't give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.


If there is no god, is creation evil?  And if it isn’t evil, then what could be good?



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« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2024, 01:19:36 PM »
If there is no god, is creation evil?  And if it isn’t evil, then what could be good?
Your evil POS does nothing for morality.
Morality coming from your evil POS is no better than morality coming from Hitler.

But the most ridiculous part of your statement is still calling it creation.

Do you mean if there is no god is the universe evil?
In which case, no, the universe, not being sentient, would be incapable of being good or evil.

But again, that says NOTHING about what happens if it was created by your god.

Again, appealing to uncaring nature does not give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.

But again, why try to derail the topic?

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« Reply #176 on: February 17, 2024, 01:37:20 PM »


Do you mean if there is no god is the universe evil?
In which case, no, the universe, not being sentient, would be incapable of being good or evil.




Strange.  You keep mentioning evil.  So, what is good?  Seems man was created to kill and destroy?  You claim a choice?  But no god, no moral authority to choose.  Maybe war is to man what it is with wolves and territories.  Seems neither can actually change.    Are wolves evil.  They seem sentient in that they can survive. 

If there is only nature, what’s the difference if man destroys life on earth vs a gamma ray bust. Man and star are both a product of creation. Both only do what nature programmed them to do.  Star is ruled by its nuclear chemistry, man is ruled by the chemistry of hormones. 

In the scheme of the time line of the universe, what does it matter if man destroys all life in 20 years, a comet destroys life on earth in a 100 years, or a gamma ray burst ends life in 10,000 years?  Same out come, why is one evil?  No real impact man was around on the weight of the time line of the universe. 

You post all you want about truth,  but what is truth to a comet or gamma ray burst that might be destined to destroy all life on earth? 

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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #177 on: February 17, 2024, 01:40:28 PM »


In which case, no, the universe, not being sentient,

Do we have souls?  Or just little chemical robots?  And we can change the quality of how sentient we are with drugs.  Note added, just pop a pill to reprogram the old chemical robot.  And what does being sentient have to do with being evil or good? 

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Re: Are There Extra Lands
« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2024, 01:43:47 PM »

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.
I take it that is just your fancy way of saying that Earth is round and you refuse to admit it?

Your exploratory research points to responsive incremental projections.

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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #179 on: February 17, 2024, 01:44:34 PM »

Again, appealing to uncaring nature does not give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.


 


Then how could a product of godless nature create good or evil.  It only results in behavior that is nether good nor evil. 


So.  What is good to you jack.  And what does it matter in the time line of the universe?