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not being sentient,

Do you like that Jackie Boy. 

We are just little misbehaving chemical robots that need to be reprogrammed with designer drugs to achieve a higher level of sentient. Fashion man in man’s own image of the ideal man to achieve lasting peace? 

So what “good” traits would you want the designer drugs to refashion the human race into?

If man is truly in control of ourselves, why are drugs used to control our behavior being prescribed at an increase rate?

And yes, Jack.  There have been children I’ve been around that do benefit from properly prescribed medication.  But there were also ones that were misprescribe too. 

Sentient. 

I was thinking about this Sentient thing.  Maybe humans are just sentient war beings?   Back to the wolves example.  We evolved to hunt and protect territories like wolves.  I still would say wolves are sentient at some level.  But human’s developed a higher level of sentient hunting and sentient territorial behavior to make us more efficient.  And that maybe our evolution might be keeping us from achieving as a species the level of sentient you want us to have to find your paradise.  Hey Jackie boy sentient is your Jesus.  Everyone has their idea of a savior😂

Strange.  You keep mentioning evil.  So, what is good?  Seems man was created to kill and destroy?

Again, if we were created by your god to destroy, then your god is responsible.
Otherwise, you can stop with the creation BS.

Stop trying to deflect away to nature to pretend your god gets off the hook.

But no god, no moral authority to choose.

Your god is no better moral authority than Hitler, or Satan.

And what does being sentient have to do with being evil or good?

Good and evil require intent.

Then how could a product of godless nature create good or evil.

Again, your god is no better than Hitler.
Where did God get good and evil from?

Do you like that Jackie Boy.

Are you sure you are okay?
You seem rather upset, spamming so many useless posts which add nothing, all because I had the nerve to call out your god as an evil POS.
And you have made no attempt to actually defend your god, instead just deflecting.

Is it because you know your god is irredeemable?

Quote from: JackBlack on February 17, 2024, 12:56:50 PM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 17, 2024, 10:18:52 AM

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.

I take it that is just your fancy way of saying that Earth is round and you refuse to admit it?

Your exploratory research points to responsive incremental projections.

And by that, I take it that is just yet another projection from you?
Still refusing to accept the truth because you don't like it?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 17, 2024, 01:43:47 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on February 17, 2024, 12:56:50 PM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 17, 2024, 10:18:52 AM

At base level, this just comes down to global transitional contingencies.

I take it that is just your fancy way of saying that Earth is round and you refuse to admit it?

Your exploratory research points to responsive incremental projections.

And by that, I take it that is just yet another projection from you?
Still refusing to accept the truth because you don't like it?

You really can't fail with deconstructed incremental concepts.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 17, 2024, 03:17:06 AM

And yet. For coming from primordial  soup we have the need of some moral code where others may wrong us and need to be apologised to.  What’s some hurt feelings in the whole of the universe? Or this tiny thread? What is a lie to the sun?  The truth to a nova?  Yet we have the capacity to love and sacrifice?  To what end when a gamma ray burst could end almost all life and on earth at any second.

Trying to say nature doesn't care doesn't give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.

This wasn't even focusing on that.
This was just pointing out the idea of free will being an excuse doesn't work considering how often your god allegedly interferes with it.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 17, 2024, 05:00:25 AM

However, that Jesus died on the cross for our sins... That he existed...

Is still a question up for debate.
Was there a single Jesus figure, or are the stories recorded in the Bible a collection of stories about a bunch of different people.
I would say there is about as much evidence for Jesus existing, as there is for Harry Potter.

But again, notice how you latch onto the religious BS, rather than focusing on the fact that your fantasy Earth simply doesn't work.

'arry Potter? Really?!?
https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence
Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Flavius Josephus and others wrote of Jesus. These were not Christians, they were enemies of Christianity. But they nevertheless knew the troublemaker that had caused this problem. As did the Jews, as their texts describe him as a magician and hope that he is burning in a pile of excrement. His name in these texts is YESHU (a corruption of Yeshua, it's an Hebrew acronym meaning "That his name and memory be forgotten"). There is physical evidence of similar crucifixions by Romans in Israel.

No serious historian would buy your theory. They would slap you upside the head for saying something that stupid.
Only Washington Post thinks the evidence doesn't add up. Real historians know this is a load of crap. If you have the witness of your enemies, people who want you dead with all their heart, people who would like to deny you exist nonetheless know you exist, then yeah there's a pretty flimsy case against your existence.

Imagine someone tried to sloppily erase the existence, not of Christ, but Christianity. They do so by burning all Bibles and everything said by witnesses for Christianity. Would this be enough to erase the memory of Christianity? No. A historian coming across old writings would notice a number of passages condemning the Christians. If further the word Christian itself was erased, you would still find evidence of some religious group that created trouble. They would loudly complain about it. In much the same way, if the theory of flat Earth was heavily suppressed (as much of there writings have been), we would nonetheless realize there is concerted effort to make sure everyone falls in line with round Earth. Why push it so hard, unless it's opposing something.
You see, without any writings at all from the New Testament, there is still a Jesus-shaped piece that history forms around. Like a puzzle with a single piece missing, the history only adds up with the addition of that piece. The Christians were tortured and killed for 300 years before finally giving them a break in the West. And this is the exception, not the rule. Muslims, Hindus, atheists, pagans, all of these have persecuted Christianity for centuries, because it threatens their reality. If there was no Christ, why would anyone have become a Christian? No, Jesus lived and died in Israel. And he lives.

Jesus threatens your reality. You cannot accept God because you see him as a tyrannical POS.
This position is not atheism. You cannot simultaneously believe God does not exist and hate him with all your heart. This is known as maltheism or misotheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misotheism
But you are not even honest about this! You do all in your power to try to convince me Jesus was never real, that God does not exist. But I know Jesus exists, surely as I knew there was a historical Jesus, backed up by all his enemies and their accusations of Christians as vampires and Jesus as a sorcerer. You know God exists too, you call him a tyrannical POS. He can either not exist, or he can be a tyrannical POS. So let's stop lying to me. Why do you hate God?


I don't need you to answer this question. But if you won't, I'll thank you kindly to stop insulting all of us by telling us you think there's no God. You know there's a God. And you hate him.

The enemies of God prove he exists. They testify to his existence. And this is why Jesus said, "Love your enemies." Because in a backhanded way, our enemies help us out.

The enemies of Jesus established the Catholic church in an attempt to cover the truth of Christianity with bureaucracy. The worship of God was replaced with the saints, Mary, and to some extent the Pope. If not for God's enemies, Christianity would not have remained to the 21st century. Likewise, the enemies of Jesus provide the best possible historical evidence of his existence.

So, thank you. Thank you for hating God so much you proved my point.

'arry Potter? Really?!?

Yes really.
Do you think someone with that name has never existed, in England?

Because it is similar for this.

Jesus threatens your reality. You cannot accept God because you see him as a tyrannical POS.

Your imaginary fiend doesn't threaten me at all.
Likewise, even if Jesus did exist, it wouldn't threaten me at all. The stories in the Bible are clearly BS.

This position is not atheism.

You mean your strawman isn't. A strawman that says nothing about me.

You cannot simultaneously believe God does not exist and hate him with all your heart.

I don't hate your imaginary fiend.

But you are not even honest about this! You do all in your power to try to convince me Jesus was never real

There you go projecting again.
I have done virtually nothing.
All I did was put forward the question of if he existed.
And that appears to be such a threat to you you feel such a strong compulsion to attack.

But lets be honest, you are using it as a pathetic excuse to avoid your complete to explain things like the angle of elevation of Polaris and the south celestial pole. Two things which trivially destroy your flat fantasy.

Quote from: JackBlack on February 17, 2024, 12:49:30 PM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 17, 2024, 03:17:06 AM

And yet. For coming from primordial  soup we have the need of some moral code where others may wrong us and need to be apologised to.  What’s some hurt feelings in the whole of the universe? Or this tiny thread? What is a lie to the sun?  The truth to a nova?  Yet we have the capacity to love and sacrifice?  To what end when a gamma ray burst could end almost all life and on earth at any second.

Trying to say nature doesn't care doesn't give your evil POS a get out of jail free card.

This wasn't even focusing on that.
This was just pointing out the idea of free will being an excuse doesn't work considering how often your god allegedly interferes with it.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 17, 2024, 05:00:25 AM

However, that Jesus died on the cross for our sins... That he existed...

Is still a question up for debate.
Was there a single Jesus figure, or are the stories recorded in the Bible a collection of stories about a bunch of different people.
I would say there is about as much evidence for Jesus existing, as there is for Harry Potter.

But again, notice how you latch onto the religious BS, rather than focusing on the fact that your fantasy Earth simply doesn't work.

'arry Potter? Really?!?
https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence
Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Flavius Josephus and others wrote of Jesus. These were not Christians, they were enemies of Christianity. But they nevertheless knew the troublemaker that had caused this problem. As did the Jews, as their texts describe him as a magician and hope that he is burning in a pile of excrement. His name in these texts is YESHU (a corruption of Yeshua, it's an Hebrew acronym meaning "That his name and memory be forgotten"). There is physical evidence of similar crucifixions by Romans in Israel.

No serious historian would buy your theory. They would slap you upside the head for saying something that stupid.
Only Washington Post thinks the evidence doesn't add up. Real historians know this is a load of crap. If you have the witness of your enemies, people who want you dead with all their heart, people who would like to deny you exist nonetheless know you exist, then yeah there's a pretty flimsy case against your existence.

Imagine someone tried to sloppily erase the existence, not of Christ, but Christianity. They do so by burning all Bibles and everything said by witnesses for Christianity. Would this be enough to erase the memory of Christianity? No. A historian coming across old writings would notice a number of passages condemning the Christians. If further the word Christian itself was erased, you would still find evidence of some religious group that created trouble. They would loudly complain about it. In much the same way, if the theory of flat Earth was heavily suppressed (as much of there writings have been), we would nonetheless realize there is concerted effort to make sure everyone falls in line with round Earth. Why push it so hard, unless it's opposing something.
You see, without any writings at all from the New Testament, there is still a Jesus-shaped piece that history forms around. Like a puzzle with a single piece missing, the history only adds up with the addition of that piece. The Christians were tortured and killed for 300 years before finally giving them a break in the West. And this is the exception, not the rule. Muslims, Hindus, atheists, pagans, all of these have persecuted Christianity for centuries, because it threatens their reality. If there was no Christ, why would anyone have become a Christian? No, Jesus lived and died in Israel. And he lives.

Jesus threatens your reality. You cannot accept God because you see him as a tyrannical POS.
This position is not atheism. You cannot simultaneously believe God does not exist and hate him with all your heart. This is known as maltheism or misotheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misotheism
But you are not even honest about this! You do all in your power to try to convince me Jesus was never real, that God does not exist. But I know Jesus exists, surely as I knew there was a historical Jesus, backed up by all his enemies and their accusations of Christians as vampires and Jesus as a sorcerer. You know God exists too, you call him a tyrannical POS. He can either not exist, or he can be a tyrannical POS. So let's stop lying to me. Why do you hate God?


I don't need you to answer this question. But if you won't, I'll thank you kindly to stop insulting all of us by telling us you think there's no God. You know there's a God. And you hate him.

The enemies of God prove he exists. They testify to his existence. And this is why Jesus said, "Love your enemies." Because in a backhanded way, our enemies help us out.

The enemies of Jesus established the Catholic church in an attempt to cover the truth of Christianity with bureaucracy. The worship of God was replaced with the saints, Mary, and to some extent the Pope. If not for God's enemies, Christianity would not have remained to the 21st century. Likewise, the enemies of Jesus provide the best possible historical evidence of his existence.

So, thank you. Thank you for hating God so much you proved my point.

Well said  bulmabriefs.

King James Bible

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved Mathew 10:22

Stop trying to deflect

I’m not deflecting Jack.

I accept you don’t believe in god.  Or even a spiritual existence.

Now Jack Boy. Where does it state evolution must only create peaceful and high level sentient beings.  Why can’t evolution result in say territorial sentient beings?  Sentient beings that horde? Or warlike sentient beings.  Where in  evolution does it state beings are only sentient if they meet Jacks approval?  Regardless, it’s only evolution.  If evolution creates a war like race of sentient beings, it’s neither evil nor good.  It’s just evolution. 

I’m not deflecting Jack.

You certainly seem to be.

I simply said the first question is if Jesus existed in the first place.
You decided to respond by bringing up free will and suggesting it is pretty simple.
I merely pointed out the fact that that makes no sense at all given how many times God violated free will and how everything is meant to be part of its plan.
You then decided to deflect to morality and nature.

Nature is not a get out of jail free card. Stop pretending it is.

You do nothing at all to address the massive inconsistencies between free will being an excuse, and God repeatedly violating that and having a plan for everything.

Even now, you continue to deflect, continuing to appeal to nature and morality and so on rather than attempting to defend your religion.
You are as bad as a FEer. But that isn't surprising given the similarities between religious belief and FE belief.

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I simply said the first question is if Jesus

I accept you don’t believe in Jesus.  Why do you keep going on about something you don’t believe in? 

I’m more than willing to discus things you do believe in.  And that would be evolution. 


I am asking what are the “rules” of evolution.  Why can’t evolution result in a sentient war race of beings? And why would that make them “evil”? 

I accept you don’t believe in Jesus.  Why do you keep going on about something you don’t believe in?

Why do you keep going on about the FE?

I’m more than willing to discus things you do believe in.  And that would be evolution.

Which has nothing to do with the topic, and is just a deflection.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 18, 2024, 01:55:59 AM

I accept you don’t believe in Jesus.  Why do you keep going on about something you don’t believe in?

Why do you keep going on about the FE?

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 18, 2024, 01:55:59 AM

I’m more than willing to discus things you do believe in.  And that would be evolution.

Which has nothing to do with the topic, and is just a deflection.

I don’t know what you want jack boy.

I’ve taken Jesus and God out of the equation.

Since evolution resulted in people not obtaining the level of peacefulness and level of sentient you desire, and keep throwing around the term evil because of it.

I have offered a solution of using designer drugs to speed up the process of evolution so us little chemical robots can achieve the level of peacefulness and level of sentient desire by you Jack Black. 

What’s wrong with the plan? 

I don’t know what you want jack boy.

I’ve taken Jesus and God out of the equation.

Which was the focus on my comment.
If you take it out, you take out the discussion.

I also notice you ignored the simple question:
Why do you keep going on about the FE?

Just because I don't believe in your imaginary fiend, that doesn't mean I can't comment on how it makes no sense.
Just like people who don't believe in a flat Earth can comment on it.

Why do you keep going on about the FE?

Why do you keep going on about flat earth. 


And I can commit that it’s stupid for people that only believe in evolution to use the term evil.  Shrugs. 

Why do you keep going on about flat earth.

Asking me that question is pointless.
I asked it to you, to show your hypocrisy.

The point of discussion was about your god, and how free will is not the get out of jail free card you want to pretend it is.
A discussion you tried to escape from by asking why I would "keep going on" about it when I don't believe.

Yet you are happy to keep going on about the FE even though you don't believe in it.

This shows the dishonesty of your position.

And I can commit that it’s stupid for people that only believe in evolution to use the term evil.  Shrugs.

Yes, you can say all sorts of stupid things.
Especially given your god does nothing for morality.

 why I would "keep going on"

For you, it’s easy.  About the same as any of the people that regularly post here.  No matter the argument, you want the last word.  Cheers.  😂

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved Mathew 10:22

Well, I'm not entirely in a love relationship with God, more like a on-again-off-again.

The point I was making, is that if you hate God, why can't you just be honest about it?
What, you think I'd judge you? No, what I hate is people who can't just say what they mean. You do not understand just how many jobs told me they'd call me. DON'T SAY THAT if you aren't gonna call!!! Just fucking tell me you aren't interested, because I don't pick up on cues and I wait by the phone.

If I had to speak to God in person, I would have my own list of grievances about how God allows a world were families sell a home rather than being able to will it to their kids, leaving them to fend for themselves. Or how no matter how hard you work to find meaningful relationships, some people just end up pathetically alone. Or when you work hard at a job, instead of getting a full-time job, the boss instead decides not to give it to you and tries to abuse you until you leave. The thing is, all of this shit is something that I legit could tell people about.

I don't have to hide my annoyance with God by pretending he isn't there. What is the point of that? I don't always like God's decisions, but there's definitely a God. Even if sometimes it feels like he hates me.

I simply said the first question is if Jesus existed in the first place.

And I've told you that even atheist historians accept that there was a man alive named Jesus and that he died on the cross.  They might reject his miracles and his godhood. They don't reject his existence, because they themselves aware that the very enemies of Jesus confirm that. Why would Romans admit this? It was not in their best interest to admit it. Jesus's followers were a major nuisance, with them killed in public spectacle as part of bread and circuses. Did that stop the movement? No, it backfired. Why would Jews admit this? The Christians took many of their congregation.

Yet in both cases, they admitted there was a person called Jesus.

Well, what can I say about God other than I love him & thank him everyday for him being here & everything I'm blessed with.

If it weren't for God I wouldn't be alive today.

This is why I say I have a mixed relationship.

Along with all the bad things, I have a list of good things. I have not had to work in two years. God has provided me food to eat. In fact, I have had so much provided that I am now having to cut back because of diabetes. I have come from a life filled with depression to one where... well, I'm still depressive, but I can see that there's a purpose for my life in writing. And I could talk about a long and weird spiritual journey.

This is why I say I have a mixed relationship.

Along with all the bad things, I have a list of good things. I have not had to work in two years. God has provided me food to eat. In fact, I have had so much provided that I am now having to cut back because of diabetes. I have come from a life filled with depression to one where... well, I'm still depressive, but I can see that there's a purpose for my life in writing. And I could talk about a long and weird spiritual journey.

I'm sorry to hear you are still depressed, keep writing if this helps, I know that I will never stop writing & promoting God & his flat earth Bible. This I know is what God wants me to do.

I used to post on the David Icke forum until I got banned for posting a picture of Icke with his arm around Russel Brand at the Groucha club. I was a prominent God flat earth poster on there, up to nearly 10,000 posts, but stuff em, their loss.

Nearly 7 years ago, I collapsed on the kitchen floor & flown to a Cardiff hospital where I underwent a tripple A heart operation which took about 6 hours, the surgeon was just about to finish his shift but stayed on to operate on me.

If it hadn't of been for my hubby finishing his shift early & the first response team getting to me so quickly, I'd be dead.

I know God was looking after me that day as there is only 1% chance of someone surviving this operation.

Well, I do hope your depression lifts & I shall prey for you.

For you, it’s easy.  About the same as any of the people that regularly post here.  No matter the argument, you want the last word.  Cheers.  😂

And notice how you still don't answer, or even attempt to address your hypocrisy.

You truly are just as bad as a flat Earther.

The point I was making, is that if you hate God, why can't you just be honest about it?

Why can't you just be honest that people can not believe in a fictional character, and still point out how that fictional character is evil.

I don't need to hate Voldemort to say he is evil.

I don't always like God's decisions, but there's definitely a God.

Yet as repeatedly established, there is no reason to think there is one.

And I've told you that even atheist historians accept that there was a man alive named Jesus and that he died on the cross.

Except the name wasn't actually Jesus.
That is a later invention.
The name was closer to Joshua, or Yeshua.
There were plenty of people by that name, and plenty of people who were crucified.

Just like there are plenty of people alive who are actually called Harry Potter.

Does that mean if a cult of Harry Potter fanatics develop, believing in Harry Potter as the saviour who saved everyone from Voldemort, the fact that a person called Harry Potter lived in England around that time then means there is a historical Harry Potter?
And that they can claim their Harry Potter really existed?

Because a key question regarding the historic of Jesus is if Jesus was A historical figure, that is singular, that there was a single individual that the myth of Jesus is based upon.
Or, were the myths focusing on a bunch of different people?

God has provided me food to eat.

Did it, or did someone else?

How did you confirm it was your imaginary fiend that gave it to you; or are you just attributing anything good to it?

Was it like in the OT, where people just went out to the fields and found bread to eat; and if they took too much it would go bad the next day, except on Friday, when they collected enough for 2 days so they could stay inside on the Sabbath?
Or did another person give it to you?

If it weren't for God I wouldn't be alive today.

And think of all the people that can say the opposite, that because of disease allegedly invented the evil POS you worship, their loved one is dead?
That because of a natural disaster (i.e. an act of God), their loved one is dead?

God doesn't seem to be interested in interacting with the world at all.
So I would say there is absolutely no basis to believe you are only here because of God.

This I know is what God wants me to do.

No, you BELIEVE it is what your imaginary fiend wants you to do.

And if it wants to lie to people, why do what it wants?

I guess you are just as bad as the clinically insane individual known as Abraham that was willing to murder his son just because a voice in his head told him to.

If it hadn't of been for my hubby finishing his shift early & the first response team getting to me so quickly, I'd be dead.

Conversely, if your imaginary fiend was looking after you, you wouldn't have collapsed and needed an operation.

You should be thanking the people that helped you, rather than trying to assign it to your imaginary fiend.

I know God was looking after me that day as there is only 1% chance of someone surviving this operation.

So what you are saying is your god hates people so much that it decides to murder 99 out of 100 people who get this operation?
Are you really sure that is a good thing?
If your god is looking out for people, why is the survival chance so low?
If your god is looking out for people, why do people need this operation in the first place?

If anything, it seems more likely your god tried to kill you, and your husband finishing work early and the doctor staying on to do the operation meant his plan failed.
You shouldn't be thanking God for this; you should be asking him why he tried to kill you.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 18, 2024, 09:26:13 PM

This is why I say I have a mixed relationship.

Along with all the bad things, I have a list of good things. I have not had to work in two years. God has provided me food to eat. In fact, I have had so much provided that I am now having to cut back because of diabetes. I have come from a life filled with depression to one where... well, I'm still depressive, but I can see that there's a purpose for my life in writing. And I could talk about a long and weird spiritual journey.

I'm sorry to hear you are still depressed, keep writing if this helps, I know that I will never stop writing & promoting God & his flat earth Bible. This I know is what God wants me to do.

It's not so much that I'm depressed. I think Isaiah 45:7 or so says that God creates light and makes darkness, he produces good tidings and brings misfortune. Blaming the devil is to give him power. But God is behind both good and bad things.

Though I am depressed about my health.
You made me giggle there. Pray, not prey.

There is no reason to think there is one.

I'd like to say you are delusional, but the answer is leaning towards dishonest.




"If there's a chair, there's a carpenter." The created world necessitates a Creator.

And yes, despite him being a RE person, his points stand.

But God is behind both good and bad things.

So why worship such an evil being?

I'd like to say you are delusional

But the answer is you are.

A god solves nothing.
If the universe needs a god, so does god.
And then that makes your god entirely useless.

Your god solves nothing. All it does is push the problem back.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 18, 2024, 01:53:26 PM

For you, it’s easy.  About the same as any of the people that regularly post here.  No matter the argument, you want the last word.  Cheers.  😂

And notice how you still don't answer, or even attempt to address your hypocrisy.

You truly are just as bad as a flat Earther.

Still see you’re after the last word?

Let me guess Jack, you can stop posting anytime.  Is that what you tell yourself?

😁

well i believe that the ice wall actually separates the flat earth from space and has a atmospheric magic or protection or something that prevents the air from leaving us and us all affixiateing

We all know about the ice walls that circumferences the earth, but what lies beyond them ?

Could it be the edge of the Dome ?
Could there be extra lands ?

I believe in the latter, why else is Antarctica so heavily guarded letting no one through to explore it ?

Well this has only happened since the Antarctic Treaty was signed by nearly every country on earth in 1959,
so before this date anyone could go an explore Antarctica & beyond & I reckon there were people who did just that & found these other extra-terrestrial lands.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 19, 2024, 02:59:58 AM

But God is behind both good and bad things.

So why worship such an evil being?

Why would you not?

God does good and evil to us, interfering with our life when we would probably rather he not.

You think a cold uncaring universe is preferable to interference, because you are like a bratty 16-year-old despite whatever age you are, wanting to have freedom to kill, rape, and steal from others without a relevant moral system. But by no stretch of the imagination would it be. It's just an excuse for nihilistic license. You see, this Earth would not exist by random chance, nor would the moon, sun, or stars. There are formulas to their behavior that have to be programmed into the system. But if we being totally charitable and somehow suns, moons, planets, and stars all exist despite this being formless random void, it would still be be far crueler and more arbitrary than anything the most evil god could dream up. One place has a sun too close, and life never comes to be, because it is scorched to death in the span of a day. Another has a sun too far, and they freeze to death. Or the waves are too high, or there are creatures that are so deadly that humans never have a chance, or the moon scrapes against the planet and people are periodically crushed to death. A random world doesn't care whether we live or die.

By contrast, sometimes God lets your mom or dad die of cancer. Sometimes God gives a freak snowstorm that ruins your crops, and you as a farmer are out of business. Sometimes God also gives you things you very definitely shouldn't deserve, like a full-time job at a major company. And often, the good and bad averages to okay. I ought to have every reason to curse God and die, but there doesn't seem to be any point to that. After all, if I believed as you tell me I should, there really would truly be no point to my life. There'd be no afterlife, so all the pain and suffering in my life, like a cruel joke, would be for nothing. But I'd be at peace right? No, oblivion is not peace. It's erasure. There are between 3 and 100 million species of life on Earth. Is there some evil in the world? Yes. Do I care? No. Because there is also a great number of beings that God cares for.

Sun is good for crops, right? And rain is also good for them too? But just because something is good now doesn't mean nothing but it is good. If you were to call sun good, and decide rain was bad, and you got nothing but sunny days, you'd have a scorched desert. On the flipside, you'd have water erode the land if nothing but rain fell. We call things "evil" but they just are. Misfortune is an essential ingredient.
Why would I serve such a God? Because. Because the alternative is nothing.

You're trying to con me. But the truth is that you've been sold a bill of goods. As you get reincarnated again and again, learning nothing from the encounter, keep that in mind.

Why would you not?

Because I have no interest in worshiping an evil POS.

You think a cold uncaring universe is preferable to interference

Do I think a universe which doesn't care, is better than a god intentionally screwing with people, intentionally harming them, tormenting them?

YES!

you are like a bratty 16-year-old despite whatever age you are, wanting to have freedom to kill, rape, and steal from others without a relevant moral system.

You appear to be talking about Christians; who thing they can do whatever they want, and then pray for forgiveness and its fine.

Your god, which you admit is evil (or at least does evil), is not a valid basis for a moral system.
Following your god is no better than following Hitler.

You see, this Earth would not exist by random chance, nor would the moon, sun, or stars.

The exact same BS can be said about your god.
You see, your god would not exist by random chance. It needs to have been created, by an intelligent creator.

it would still be be far crueler and more arbitrary than anything the most evil god could dream up. One place has a sun too close, and life never comes to be, because it is scorched to death in the span of a day. Another has a sun too far, and they freeze to death.

Or as opposed to what we have now, with planets like Mercury, which are too close to the sun and it is scorched. And dwarf planets like Pluto, which are far and too cold.

Do you know the real difference between an uncaring universe, and the evil POS you worship?
In an uncaring universe, those conditions aren't fit for life, so life does not emerge.
With your evil POS, it intentionally creates life there to make them suffer, or creates life elsewhere for them to prosper, only to move them there to make them suffer.

So an uncaring universe is vastly better than a being intentionally creating suffering.

or the moon scrapes against the planet and people are periodically crushed to death.

That would require a god to maintain the moon, otherwise it would be torn apart.

A random world doesn't care whether we live or die.

As opposed to your evil god, that wants us to suffer.

By contrast, sometimes God lets your mom or dad die of cancer.

Why say "let"?
Why not say "causes"?

After all, if I believed as you tell me I should, there really would truly be no point to my life.

Which again shows why you really believe the crap you down.
You can't handle reality.

But I would rather no point, than to be the toy of a childish evil tyrant, a toy that it makes suffer for fun.

Sun is good for crops, right? And rain is also good for them too?

In the appropriate amount.

We call things "evil" but they just are.

Which is just a way of saying there isn't a sentience controlling it.

You're trying to con me.

No, the religious folk have already done a great job of that.

I'm just objecting to your BS.