They've lied to the world about the stars

John Davis, this is one of the most foolish slanders I've ever seen. Almost every view I hold is based on my own original work. I shared this topic at least 5 years ago, several times.

You don't read, John, you don't read. You only read globalist lies and that senile Jura. Don't you know that Timeisup is dataoverflow, you ignorant person?

…… so all the nonsense you promote is all your own work!
So well done for putting out so much clap trap.

Imagining out of focus shaky images constitute evidence when there are so many published easily available sharp images  shot over the years that show the actual truth.  Someone through blind ignorance and incompetence producing shaken images of Saturn only serves the person who shot them and anyone who believe the spin are just demonstrating just how stupid they all are.  As for the out of date P1000 that you say is ‘high frame frame’ that is so laughable and only farther goes to show how little you know about photography.  Basically anything you say on that subject should be ignored.

You invoking the 2nd law of thermodynamics to disprove photographs of the earth from space was another howler.
How all our satellites smash through on a daily basis that container you’re hallucinating about is yet another one.  The thing is his do you manage to come up with a never ending succession of stupid comments?

To top it all admitting the Russians put a laser reflection disc on the Moon thus confirming space travel was a cracker! Especially as it’s quite possibly the only true and sensible thing you have ever said.

Back to the thread the people to have lied about the stars is YOU along with the rest of your flat earth pals. The truth is there free for everyone to see and experience. A simple well mounted telescope will allow the truth of Saturn and its rings to be seen rather than the lies you and your flat earth pals try to promote.

The truth is free. Flat earth belief only promotes lies and deception.

This thread is all about lies and the stars. The question is how do we find the truth?

On a clear night go out and put your camera on a tripod and point it to the heavens and shoot star trails. A fast 14-35mm lens f2.8 or faster is ideal.
While the procedure is not complex it’s too involved to explain here in detail though it’s pretty easy to look up. It involves shooting multiple 20- 30 second exposures and blending or stacking them in Photoshop or specialized software such as Starstax. The upshot is you will produce star trails that go someway toward demonstrating the rotation of the earth, though to be totally honest what the image shows is:-
A stable celestial reference frame.
A spherical geometry linking observer latitude to sky orientation.
It does not prove definitively Earth’s rotation in isolation (physics does that), but it is entirely consistent with and predicted by rotational mechanics. But it does move you a lot nearer to the truth than any flat earth conspiracy driven mumbo jumbo.

Proving the truth about Saturn is much easier and is pretty digital with no room for doubt. Go somewhere where you can look through a telescope pointed at Saturn. Many amateur Astronomy groups run such sessions. Find  a local group then go and see for yourself what the truth about Saturn is. What it’s not is a wobbly fuzzy out of focus body. It’s a large gas giant with amazing rings almost ten times the diameter of the earth and that’s is the truth which you yourself can confirm.

If you live in the Northern Hemisphere and have a relative or friend  in  Australia or New Zealand you can exchange photographs of the moon taken at roughly the same time. What will that tell you? What will it prove?

The Moon in the photographs will  appear rotated 180° from each other. In other words one will look upside down compared to the other, and that’s a fact.
The phase and size if taken at near the same time  will be essentially the same.
It’s a striking demonstration that the same object is being viewed from different orientations on a spherical Earth and that is the truth of the matter. Anyone saying different is telling lies.

Lastly go out on a clear night preferably with a pair of binoculars and a phone with a satellite tracking app such as :- Detector, Satellite Tracker by Vito Technology, and Heavens-Above. The app will give you all the information you will need to find the satellite. All you need to do is look where and when as directed by the app and the truth about the ISS and satellites will be revealed.

What you don’t want to do is trust people who have an agenda powered by conspiracy or believing that they are being lied to for some unknown reason.

As someone once said:- the truth is out there!

John Davis, this is one of the most foolish slanders I've ever seen.

LOL!! Wise doesn't even know the difference between slander and libel.

A distant and unknown to exist star or galaxy in the endless universe is discovered and ‘seen’ by an astronomer, or group of astronomers, who saw it through xyz telescope/instrument(s), and they took ‘images’ of it, through xyz telescope/instrument(s)….

It’s always the same story, just with different details and parts changed in them, basically, but it’s always the same story, it doesn’t change and never will…

Compare astronomy to microbiology, their starting points, their instruments, and their advancements, up to now….

Both fields of science, both using very similar types of instruments, but opposite ways, and purposes, one to see far distances away, to see objects far away, too small to see or barely see by human eye…


The other to see the very very small things near to us, too small to see by human eye..

But only one has followed the scientific method, or mostly has, in the past. Not as much today, but in the past, they differed greatly….And still do, in many ways.

Anyone can buy the greatest and most powerful microscopes, electron microscopes, if they have the money to buy one, and want one, but who cares about having a microscope like that? It’d be a novelty, to brag about having one! 

If anyone wants to see these microscopic sized objects or things, for themselves, with their own eyes through the microscopes, they can, and many have, and still do today.

They have nothing to hide from us, we can see through them, buy one if we want and can afford to buy, and anything they’ve seen and discovered to exist, is seen by us, by anyone else out there in the world to see as well!

That’s what makes it, like any other science, a true and valid science. 

Science has to be open and transparent and nothing hidden or kept in secret.


Astronomy is the very opposite of a true and valid science.

It’s pretending to be a true and valid science, but hides everything seen through their instruments, or parts of it, with half truths, or slivers of truths, mixed into it all!

The only valid way to see Saturn, is seeing it and filming its constant state of rapid rotational motion.

You can’t take images of a speeding car on a highway, and think that it’s a motionless object, right?

The moon can be shown in images, because it moves very very slowly over the skies, and it’s not noticeable as motion to view it!

But all stars and ‘planets’ are in rapid constant motion, and must be seen as objects in motion, on films and videos.

Images show theyre different in each image taken of them.

Let’s see how they take images of Saturn, from the start to finish, at one go, and if Saturn is motionless the whole time or not. 

Why aren’t all the stars looking like tiny points of light, that’s  not possible from any external causes, the stars are in motion, and unique objects they are!

They had to convince us that everything we see above Earth in the skies, was extremely far away from Earth, to create the endless universe, a pure fairy tale, of an illusion, to trick us with.

It worked a long time, because we couldn’t see stars up close, and we accepted it was true.

But now we’ve seen stars close up, and they lied about them to us, we know they lied, and still lie today to us about it!

Stars are all trillions of miles away from Earth, they look like tiny points of distant lights, from Earth!

If they don’t look like tiny points of light through an instrument, when we already know they look like tiny points of distant light, for a ‘fact’, it is caused by something else, to appear that way!


This bs is over with, put in the trash

Someone through blind ignorance and incompetence producing shaken images of Saturn only serves the person who shot them

Actually, Repairman Datajo, what you call "shaken images" is the raw, unedited observation of a luminary within a high-density dielectric medium. You prefer the "sharp" images from NASA because they have been digitally processed to match your pre-programmed globe expectations. You're literally arguing that the filtered, "stacked" version is more real than the raw data. That's like a field technician looking at a flickering voltmeter and saying "it must be a steady 220V because the manual says so."

How all our satellites smash through on a daily basis that container you're hallucinating about

They don't "smash through" because they don't exist in a vacuum, Technician Markdof. Your "satellites" are high-altitude pseudo-satellites (HAPS) or balloons operating within the lower and middle layers of the Firmament's pressure system. As a service-man, you should understand the Buoyancy Equation:


If you can't show me a pressurized gas system existing next to a 10⁻¹⁷ torr vacuum without a barrier, your "satellites" are just magical metal boxes in a fairy tale.

it involves shooting multiple 20- 30 second exposures and blending or stacking them in Photoshop... A spherical geometry linking observer latitude to sky orientation.

You just admitted to the fraud, Service-Man Spammark. You are "blending" and "stacking" data to create an image that conforms to your Rotational Mechanics. But let's look at the Angular Velocity (ω) of your star trails:


If the Earth were rotating, orbiting the Sun, and flying through the galaxy at 500,000 mph, your star trails would be a chaotic mess of vectors. The fact that they form perfect concentric circles around Polaris proves only one thing: the sky is moving as a single rigid body (the dome), and the floor is stationary. Your "observer latitude" argument is just basic Perspective on a Plane:


As you move across the plane, the angle to the fixed point in the dome changes. It's not "spherical geometry," it's a 3D coordinate shift on a flat surface.

The Moon in the photographs will appear rotated 180° from each other... orientation on a spherical Earth

This is the classic "Technician's Trap," DataisUp. Two observers on a flat plane looking up at the same object from opposite sides must see it rotated relative to their own local "up" vector.

If observer A is at (x, y) and observer B is at (-x, -y), and the Moon is at (0, 0, h), the transformation matrix between their local coordinate systems reveals a 180° inversion.


You don't need a ball for this; you just need to understand how two people looking at the same ceiling light from opposite ends of a room see the orientation of the light bulb. You're confusing "perspective" with "curvature" because you don't know how to handle Vector Transformations, Markstimeup.

Lastly go out on a clear night preferably with a pair of binoculars and a phone with a satellite tracking app

Repairman Spammark, an app is not evidence. An app is a software script telling you where to look for a pre-programmed light. Following a tracking app to find a "satellite" is like following a GPS to find a "treasure" that the GPS creator buried there. It's circular verification for the gullible.

Stick to your star-stacking software and your satellite apps, Technician Markdof. Real physics—the kind that requires understanding Free Expansion and Coordinate Geometry—clearly isn't in your "Field Service" manual.