They've lied to the world about the stars

The very obvious and clearest reason to know for sure, that they did in fact lie about this, without any shred of doubt at all, is after we’ve seen Saturn close up, and even much closer than they ever dreamed of seeing some day in their own future!

You mean how you have it magnified with such a crappy resolution, you are seeing it far worse than them?

Or do you mean actually up close, with the use of space probes, which provide images which match what they said?

magnification

We have been over this.
You have even admitted it.
Magnification is useless without resolution.

You can magnify a shit image all you want. It wont make it better than an intrinsically higher resolution image.

So again, you are appealing to crap.

with one vastly superior telescope to theirs

i.e. you have a single example.
An example that is destroyed by trying to film it through an iphone which is continually trying to autofocus.
And something which is known to not produce that great a video.

So again, you have literally nothing to support your claim that they lied.

Meanwhile, you have been repeatedly caught in your own lies.
So the sad case here is you.

i.e. you have a single example.
An example that is destroyed by trying to film it through an iphone which is continually trying to autofocus.
And something which is known to not produce that great a video.

You really think an iPhone camera could make multiple distinct belts vanish from all sight?

Then somehow make Saturn look exactly like it does in every other close up video of it, or very similar to it?

If there WAS any effect caused by an iPhone camera on Saturn, it would never look exactly like it does in all those other videos, it would look completely different than the others do!


The fact that Saturn looks exactly the same, or very similar in the video, confirms that IS how Saturn looks close up, not the opposite!

We know the other videos weren’t all taken by iPhone cameras, but Saturn still looks the same in all of them, same as the one taken with an iPhone does.

You have no argument at all, not a shred of evidence to support it, all the evidence proves the very opposite, conclusively!

Look closely at Saturn in this video, do you really believe there’s going to be multiple distinct belts on Saturn blurred into one big blotchy feature on Saturn by an iPhone camera taking the video through that telescope?

You’d never have any clue about any multiple belts on Saturn if these liars didn’t claim they saw them back then, and the other liars say they saw them too, liars support other liars, and always do….

Look closely at Saturn in this video, do you really believe there’s going to be multiple distinct belts on Saturn blurred into one big blotchy feature on Saturn by an iPhone camera taking the video through that telescope?

I think that you forget something.  Namely, the link to the video.

You really think an iPhone camera could make multiple distinct belts vanish from all sight?

Yes, if you need to understand this, go get some nice clear text, like the letter H, and E.
And then get it all blurry and see if you can see the gaps between them.
Even simpler, go get a book and see if you can easily make out the letters, or if with bad enough focus, the letters blur into lines, and lines into just a blur of grey.

Then somehow make Saturn look exactly like it does in every other close up video of it, or very similar to it?

It doesn't look exactly the same.
Instead, it looks roughly the same, a blurry ball.

And again, they aren't close up, they are zoomed in. They are not the same thing. Stop lying.

it would look completely different than the others do!

Why?
Why should the same object, viewed out of focus or through poor resolution, look completely different?

It would need to actually be exactly the same, showing the exact same alleged movement in all, for your argument to work.

We know the other videos weren’t all taken by iPhone cameras

No, instead there are other reasons to be blurry or out of focus.

Are you seriously trying to pretend that an out of focus photo of something on an iPhone would look completely different to an out of focus image of that same thing taken with a different camera?
If so, you are insane.

You have no argument at all, not a shred of evidence to support it

No, that would still be you.
Not a single shred of evidence to support your insane claims that stars are really really close and magically moving around, nor that they lied about Saturn.

Meanwhile, there remains plenty of evidence that you are wrong, including photos of Saturn from space probes which you desperately need to dismiss as fake with more claims of lies.

You really believe an iPhone camera ruined the world’s first view of Saturn’s multiple distinct belts which we’d finally SEE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER ON A VIDEO?

Do you really think they saw those distinct multiple belts through the telescope directly by eye?

All you have are ridiculous excuses just like this one is! How pathetic can you be?

Do you really think they saw those distinct multiple belts through the telescope directly by eye?

Why would they lie about seeing multiple distinct belts if they weren't there? 

You really believe an iPhone camera ruined

I can clearly see the camera shaking around relative to the viewfinder, and continually trying to autofocus.

So yes, it ruined it.

Now, are you going to try to actually support your claims, rather than this pathetic BS of yours?

Quote from: turbonium2 on November 08, 2025, 04:21:17 AM

Do you really think they saw those distinct multiple belts through the telescope directly by eye?

Why would they lie about seeing multiple distinct belts if they weren't there?

Yes, that’s the most important question to ask, why would they possibly lie about seeing such amazing things on Saturn?

Because everything they did and still do, said and still say, have to fit their entire story, in all ways and forms.


The goal is very clear and obvious to see, I’ve already told you about it, but I’ll go over it again now…

Their story of a ball Earth speeding and spinning around like all the stars are, trillions of miles from ball Earth, is nothing but one of gazillions of other planets, and a few of those ‘other planets’ are seen above Earth!

That’s why this story was created for Saturn. The ball Earth story was of it slowly rotating around in ‘endless space’!

That’s why they said all this was seen, a distinct fixed feature on an edge of one of multiple distinct belts on Saturn, which they saw at one position on Saturn, first, but then saw it at other positions on Saturn, much later on!


After they claimed to see this distinct fixed feature on Saturn, seen at other positions on Saturn hours later on, and constantly saw it at other points on Saturn, but not all the time, because it had moved around to the other side of Saturn….


That’s what they were lying all about here, an elaborate and detailed lie of many things. and many claims they made up about it all

Yes, that’s the most important question to ask, why would they possibly lie about seeing such amazing things on Saturn?

And yet you have no real answer, and instead just spout complete and utter crap.

Their story of a ball Earth speeding and spinning around like all the stars are

Is entirely irrelevant to them claiming Saturn has belts.

Saturn was already known to be a planet long before they claimed it had belts.

So that can't possibly be why that "story" was created, and the vastly more likely answer is that they said it because they saw it.

Especially given how it appears in stacked photos of Saturn, and photos from space probes.

What is more likely, there is a massive global conspiracy involving so many people it isn't funny; or you are just desperate to reject reality so you are repeatedly lying and dismissing things that show you are wrong as lies?

When they claimed Saturn had distinct multiple belts with one having a FIXED feature along an edge of it, then claimed that fixed feature had moved to other positions on Saturn and later on, and claimed it rotated around at every 10.6 hours or so….

Those claims were used to claim Saturn was a slowly rotating planet like their ball Earth was…

That’s what they lied about to support their fairy tale story.

When were those claims proved false and by whom?  Do you have a problem if some of the claims change as more and better observations are made?

The proof that they lied to us about seeing such things on Saturn, is yours to know about, understand it and accept it as the truth.

Nobody will know about the truth here, from watching the news on tv, or in the newspapers or the online news…

It’s up to each of us, you and me and everyone of us, to see the truth here.

Everything they’ve ever claimed about ‘space’ and a ball Earth in space, is a pack of lies.

What makes it all possible to work out so well, to fool the world by lying about all this, are due to a few main reasons, that all must hold up, to maintain their story…

It’s actually the biggest and longest held up trick ever done, based on the very same reasons why all good tricks or illusions work so well on audiences, and they have the biggest audience of all.

And over the past few centuries, since Galileo and the telescope came to exist on Earth, and afterwards, when they claimed that the Earth wasn’t flat or fixed in place motionless, or domed above by a Firmament!

Think how extremely difficult it would be to create such an illusion on a stage, by a magician or illusionist! It’s very difficult, yet worked perfectly many times over and over the years…

Now, if we knew of something that was a greater illusion that ever could exist, but nobody knows it’s all an illusion, that’s what it actually is here…

It needs total control of the world, media and schools and books, to support their lies, as being all true.

Don’t look around and see problems with their story, it’s not good for anyone to doubt or question something at all!

You keep going on and on about the round earth and heliocentrism being great lies, but you never explain how the flat earth and firmament explain common, everyday observations experienced by anyone willing to pay attention.  In other words, don’t tell what’s wrong with RE, show me why FE is better.

Those claims were used to claim Saturn was a slowly rotating planet like their ball Earth was…

No, those claims were used to calculate the rotation period of Saturn. It was already known to be a planet.

That’s what they lied about to support their fairy tale story.

You mean that is what YOU have lied about, to try to support your fairy tale story of a flat Earth.
A story you can provide absolutely no evidence for, and which requires you to dismiss so much as fake.

You dismiss them astronomers as liars. And then to back up your blatant lie that there is no evidence that supports them, you make another lie, that NASA is also lying about it, and they are magically in the same group.
You are truly pathetic, trying to support your pathetic fantasy with lie upon lie upon lie; and when it isn't a direct lie, it is just pathetic, baselss BS.

It’s actually the biggest and longest held up trick ever done, based on the very same reasons why all good tricks or illusions work so well on audiences, and they have the biggest audience of all.

Apparently, it is even so magically good, that it is capable of fooling even such basic observations that you can make yourself, so instead of getting results supporting a flat Earth, they magically support a round Earth.

Or the far more likely option - the truth is Earth is round, and you just refuse to accept it.

Don’t look around and see problems with their story, it’s not good for anyone to doubt or question something at all!

You mean problems with your story?
Because plenty of them have been pointed out.

There’s no way we’d ever see the horizon directly across us from 30000 feet altitude above a ball Earth. 

Why don’t you realize that yet?


Your curve caused a ship to vanish from all sight, past a horizon three miles out!

Do you understand how that would be seen by us, above the surface of a ball Earth?

Where would the horizon be seen from a plane at 20 or 30k altitude above Earth?

Let’s think about how it might look to us rising up above the surface…at liftoff in a plane, for example.

We’d immediately see there’s a big difference, three miles out curved down below all sight!!

What do you possibly think that a curve three miles out, would be like at a hundred miles out?

How does anyone at all, really think we’d ever see the horizon directly across from us in a plane at 30000 feet above the surface of a ball shaped Earth?

A curve that physically goes downward at the horizon three miles out, must keep curving downward after three miles out, that’s a fact.

Even assuming perspective is in play for the first three miles, it loses out to the curve at three miles out, that is also what you’ve claimed.

Your curve is nonsense

Your curve caused a ship to vanish from all sight, past a horizon three miles out!

No.  A ship (or any other object) begins to vanish from the bottom up as it passes the horizon.  The distance to the horizon and how far past the horizon it takes for the ship to completely vanish depends on the height of the observer and the height of the ship.  Not sure why that’s so hard to understand.

Try to understand that your curve goes downward and out of all sight after that point, which doesn’t hold up when we rise above Earth, and see a horizon across from us at 30000 feet altitude, over a hundred miles out from us…

When your curve sunk down on the surface and out of all sight, that curve does not stop curving downward, but no curve exists at all. Falsehoods m

Try to understand that your curve goes downward and out of all sight after that point, which doesn’t hold up when we rise above Earth, and see a horizon across from us at 30000 feet altitude, over a hundred miles out from us…

What are you talking about?  That's exactly what RE says should happen.  The 3 mile horizon is only at ground level and gets pushed farther back as you gain altitude until you get so far away that you can see 1/2 of the sphere.

When your curve sunk down on the surface and out of all sight, that curve does not stop curving downward, but no curve exists at all. Falsehoods m

Of course the curve continues beyond the horizon.  Why shouldn't it?  It keeps curving all the way until it circles the earth and sneaks up behind you.  You know, like it would on a giant beach ball.

There’s no way we’d ever see the horizon directly across us from 30000 feet altitude above a ball Earth.

You sure do love proving you are a lying POS don't you?

As a reminder, the evidence YOU PROVIDED, shows the horizon is below.
The simple math you cannot show a fault with shows the horizon would only be at an angle of dip of ~3 degrees at an altitude of 10 km.

You have nothing except pathetic lies and assertions.

And you just spam the same pathetic BS all over the place as if you think it defeats everything, when it just shows how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

This has nothing at all to do with your pathetic claim that they lied about the stars.
Again, it is just another of your lies upon lies that you have used to construct and pretend to defend your fairy tale.

There’s no way we’d ever see the horizon directly across us from 30000 feet altitude above a ball Earth. 

You don't see the horizon directly across from you at 30000ft.  It's always slightly below eye level.  The higher in altitude you go, the lower the horizon is below eye level.

I'm never going to convince you that stars are NOT trillions of miles away

But perhaps we can convince you that the stars must be very far away compared to distances on the Earth...

How far away are tge stars according to you?

Quote from: turbonium2 on May 28, 2023, 02:09:19 AM

I'm never going to convince you that stars are NOT trillions of miles away

But perhaps we can convince you that the stars must be very far away compared to distances on the Earth...

How far away are tge stars according to you?

Hmm ignoring most of what he's saying and going on a tangent. makes me glad I have average iq

Quote from: turbonium2 on November 22, 2025, 03:14:25 AM

There’s no way we’d ever see the horizon directly across us from 30000 feet altitude above a ball Earth.

You sure do love proving you are a lying POS don't you?

As a reminder, the evidence YOU PROVIDED, shows the horizon is below.
The simple math you cannot show a fault with shows the horizon would only be at an angle of dip of ~3 degrees at an altitude of 10 km.

You have nothing except pathetic lies and assertions.

And you just spam the same pathetic BS all over the place as if you think it defeats everything, when it just shows how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

This has nothing at all to do with your pathetic claim that they lied about the stars.
Again, it is just another of your lies upon lies that you have used to construct and pretend to defend your fairy tale.

They clearly lied about seeing multiple distinct belts on Saturn and a distinct fixed feature along an edge of a belt, seeing it at other fixed positions hours later on, which has never once been seen by anyone today, not one video showing any of it, a far superior telescope showing nothing of it, on video, nobody there at the time mentioning anything of multiple distinct belts seen by eye through that same superior telescope, nor saying it was seen by eye but not on video they shot of Saturn through that telescope with an iPhone camera, nor any video shot by anyone else, including all the astronomers who’ve ever worked there over the last century, to this very day!

Those multiple distinct belts on Saturn claimed to be seen over two centuries ago, would certainly be seen and filmed through this superior telescope, among many others as well!

This claim would be so easy to prove true or false by looking and filming Saturn through this one telescope, and many others which exist today, even better than this telescope, which was the greatest telescope of the time. 

They’ll never claim to see those distinct multiple belts on Saturn through any telescope at all, nor show any video of Saturn taken by them through any telescope, including this one! 


Why would we only have it on video now? Someone in public who visits it, takes a video of Saturn through the telescope, with their iPhone camera!


If those astronomers working there, any who were setting up the telescope towards Saturn, had ever seen distinct multiple belts on Saturn through this telescope, why wouldn’t they ever show it to the world on a video? 

Everyone here is now aware that there’s never been a video of Saturn that shows distinct multiple belts on it!!!

Surely those astronomers who have seen through this telescope for years and years, have seen Saturn like this many many times before, so would have seen what is there on Saturn, and what is NOT there on Saturn!!

They clearly lied

No, you have.
You are yet to support your claim that they lied.
You do whatever you can to avoid your burden of proof.
You wilfully lie about what they say, and what others say, to pretend they said things they didn't to claim they lied.

If you have proof that they lied, then provide it. Until then you have nothing.
And no, crappy videos which you have not demonstrated are equivalent to what they would have been able to see is not proof.

would certainly be seen and filmed

WHY?
Don't just assert crap, explain WHY!

This claim would be so easy to prove true or false by looking and filming Saturn through this one telescope

And yet you make no attempt to.
First you want to lie to everyone by claiming you have no way to get such a telescope, even after I provided you a link to where you could buy one, and then you just dismiss it and make excuses as to why you shouldn't.

Meanwhile, plenty of people have taken footage of Saturn to stack frames to produce a clearer photo which clearly shows these belts.
But you dismiss them as "not videos showing the belt".

why wouldn’t they ever show it to the world on a video?

What purpose would it serve?

To sane, honest people, there is already vast quantities of evidence to have them accept reality.
To lying scum like you, nothing will ever be enough, you will just dismiss it as fake.
So what purpose does it serve?

Again, if you want it, go get it yourself.

They claimed to just see those distinct multiple rings by eye, they didn’t even HAVE images or cameras let alone could ‘stack images’ at all!

We are comparing what they did, see it by eye, through a telescope. A long ago scrapped telescope, which was inferior and outdated back then, centuries ago.

Anything they’ve claimed about Saturn, are not there at all, we’d have certainly seen them, noticed or even found an indication that it may be there, anything at all suggesting it as possibly there, nothing at all

You’re in pure denial, trying to believe an iPhone camera is a valid excuse for your liars !


How pathetic can you get here?

How pathetic can you get here?

Says the one desperately trying to accuse others of being liars because you can't defend your pathetic BS and hoped to shift the burden of proof, while still being entirely incapable of defending your claims that they are liars.

Again, go buy a very good telescope yourself, and a very good camera to go with it. Then place it in good seeing conditions and film Saturn and see what you get.
Make sure you do it many nights over several years, so you can see variations in conditions.

noticed or even found an indication that it may be there

You mean like the photos from space probes clearly showing them, and the stacked images clearly showing them?

You choosing to be wilfully ignorant and reject everything that doesn't fit your delusional fantasy doesn't make it so.

It’s clearly proven that those distinct multiple belts they claimed to see on Saturn, were absolute lies, they made up deliberately and knew were lies, and for a specific purpose or reason, and probably worked so well, even better than they thought it would.

It’s clearly proven

That you are a pathetic, desperate, worthless liar; who is yet again spouting more pathetic crap you cannot justify.

Again, provide evidence they lied, or admit you have none.

It’s certainly well proven beyond any doubt they lied, because when we’ve seen so many videos, so many people have never seen those multiple distinct belts at all, through many different telescopes, from many points on Earth, over many times and years, that is more than enough to prove these multiple distinct belts they claimed to see on Saturn, over YEARS - were simply lies, that’s the only possible conclusion.