They've lied to the world about the stars

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1860 on: August 23, 2025, 06:11:11 AM »
It’s completely irrelevant what they changed it to mean now, that’s what you first need to admit, and then you’ll realize why it’s not relevant to your lies about what you claimed it meant back then

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1861 on: August 23, 2025, 06:19:59 AM »
However, it is relevant in that it proves you lied about what it meant, because it didn’t mean anything else until now, so it’s very relevant to this after all. Just not relevant in how you somehow see it as, whatever that may be I have no idea. Tell me about it, I can’t wait to hear it

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1862 on: August 23, 2025, 01:56:58 PM »
changed
Again, that is your baseless claim.
It is a pathetic deflection from sources which trivially show you are lying to everyone.

Again:
Quit with all the absolutely pathetic BS that shows your pathetic desperation, and either admit they don't mean the same thing now or state they do and defend that pathetic BS.
Again, we have clear sources showing they currently mean different things.

Only once you provide that clear admission, without any BS strings attached can we move forward on this topic.

Now can you provide that clear admission with no strings attached?
This shouldn't be hard to do.
And only a desperate, pathetic liar would avoid it.
Modify message

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1863 on: August 23, 2025, 08:03:17 PM »
Look, you idiot, I’m now going to tell you for the third, or fourth, and this will
by THE LAST TIME I TELL YOU THAT I AM WELL AWARE AND ACCEPT THAT THEY HAVE NOW TAKEN IN THIS VERY COMMON AND UNDERSTOOD WORD, OR TERM, and revised and expanded it into complete new subject.

Now piss off and all is good

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1864 on: August 23, 2025, 08:40:35 PM »
I’m wondering why you think
Id not admit they now revised the everyday word ‘seeing’ into so much more than any word could ever mean itself, that’s obvious to anyone….

Although I don’t know exactly why they wanted to revise this specific term, it was a very popular term back then, but a long time since it was used commonly. It’s nothing special or unique, just another common word, except it was used often by astronomers back then, they also had a section called ‘Observations’, and once in awhile, talked about the VISIBILITY conditions, and good or fair or bad ‘viewing’, it was just less said that way than seeing was always used.

Look for these other words they used instead of seeing, it’s rarely used, but they used it the same way, as well as viewing and visibility (conditions) too.

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1865 on: August 24, 2025, 12:44:25 AM »
Look, you idiot
I'm not the idiot here.

I provided a clear request which you still fail to meet.
You still can't just admit what the words mean now without any of your pathetic BS attached.
Stop trying to appeal to it being revised.
Instead, just provide a clear admission about what they mean now.

I’m wondering why you think
Id not admit they now revised
Maybe you should read what I said?
I am not asking you to admit anything about any revision.
I am asking you to admit that the words mean different things now without any pathetic BS attached.

You know that such an admission without any strings attached would destroy your pathetic BS.
So instead of being honest for once in your pathetic existence you need to keep these strings attached and claim the word is revised rather than simply admitting what the words mean now.

It shows how utterly pathetic, desperate and delusional you are.

Again, can you admit what the words mean now with no strings attached?

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1866 on: August 24, 2025, 01:16:15 AM »
That’s what a revision is, it changes what a word or words mean for a specific group of people, so what else can’t you understand yet?

What they’ve now changed their version of this word, to now mean, is some sort of automatically ‘degraded’ view, whatever that’s supposed to mean, they never say at all specifically, or quantifiably, which is kind of important to do when it’s all so scientific -like and all that stuff!😂

It seems to have all sorts of meanings to it, any one or two meanings or many more meanings, which makes it quite meaningless and worthless to use this new term.

They claim that ‘seeing’ is a degraded view, because it is seen through our atmosphere, and distortion and effects of atmosphere. What would they call what WE view through far more atmosphere and nearly all the effects of atmosphere, none which they ever have to see through?

What exactly are they trying to do here? Try to tell us there’s more atmosphere and distortion and effects they see through than we see through? It’s not even close to what we see through in the thickest air that exists, with the thinnest air that exists which they ‘struggle to see through’!! Good one!

Look at the moon on a clear night, then look out across the surface as far as you can see.

‘Seeing’, my ass! What a joke!

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1867 on: August 24, 2025, 02:52:02 AM »
That’s what a revision is
Again, stop with the BS.
Just honestly admit what the words mean now, without any BS strings.
Is that really so hard?
I'm not even asking you to say it has always meant that.
I'm just trying to get you to admit a tiny bit of reality.
Yet you still seem so opposed.

Why is it so hard for you?

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1868 on: August 24, 2025, 03:45:29 AM »
From the coward who can’t even admit he lied about what they meant by ‘seeing’, I’d say that’s incredibly ironic coming from a complete hypocrite and compulsive liar who scurries under a rock when confronted by his own lies!

Amazing and grotesque all in one big buffoon!

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1869 on: August 24, 2025, 03:57:57 AM »
You do realize you’ve been caught is this huge lie, don’t you?

I only call someone a liar when they do lie, unlike you say I lie so often and for nothing it’s become a running joke from a moron.

Here’s your chance to get your balls back from mommas closet, and admit what you know you did, that you lied all about this, thought you’d never be proven it’s all a lie, but somehow, your guilty conscience made you show proof of yourself being a liar, somehow not even aware of what you’ve done!

Sometime the guilty want the truth to be known, because our subconscious drives out of us the truth or the lies, and we don’t even realize what we’re doing is from within us…

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1870 on: August 24, 2025, 01:21:21 PM »
From the coward who can’t even admit he lied
That would be you.

You invent a pure BS story, which you can't justify at all, all to flee from the fact that YOU have been lying all throughout this thread.

You do realize you’ve been caught is this huge lie, don’t you?
No. I realise YOU have been caught in a lie, and so now you are trying to deflect at all costs.

I only call someone a liar
When they show you are wrong.
Meanwhile, I have repeatedly shown how you have lied to everyone, on multiple occasions.

Now again, stop with the BS.
Just honestly admit what the words mean now, without any BS strings.
Is that really so hard?
I'm not even asking you to say it has always meant that.
I'm just trying to get you to admit a tiny bit of reality.
Yet you still seem so opposed.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1871 on: August 27, 2025, 08:08:23 PM »
changed
Again, that is your baseless claim.
It is a pathetic deflection from sources which trivially show you are lying to everyone.

I agree, randomly claiming that sources (or similar) has changed doesn't make it true.

I'm more surprised how this thread went on for 63 pages, if only I can claim "this is a conspiracy to sabotage the counting game and reduce traffic to the Lounge section of the forum", but alas, such claim is likely false.
:3 (ensure VPN is off to avoid temp bans)
I am bulmabriefs144, Smasher of Testicles.  You see? Titles are ridiculous.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1872 on: September 05, 2025, 05:54:15 PM »
All their claims about seeing multiple distinct belts on Saturn, even claiming to see a distinct feature on one of these supposed belts edges, and seeing tge feature fixed in one position on Saturn, and later on, seeing it at other positions on Saturn, fixed in each of those other positions….

None of those amazing claims were ever proven true, after centuries since then!

Worse, we now have conclusive proof those claims are complete nonsense.

One of our vastly superior telescopes showed there’s no multiple distinct belts on Saturn, nor a distinct feature on one of those non-existent multiple distinct belts, confirming all other videos showing no multiple belts either.

It’s simply absurd and never done before this, although it was the very purpose they created a ‘science’ based on the very opposite of a true, real and valid science, to hide the truths, lie about things seen in the heavens…

And now, after more than 200 years later, we have conclusive proof that their claims were made up falsehoods, but you still refuse to accept this proof, even when THEIR claims never had any proof to begin with!!

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1873 on: September 06, 2025, 02:26:30 AM »
All their claims about seeing multiple distinct belts on Saturn
Are claims you are yet to refute.
Which you have fled back to after failing to answer simple questions and defend your pathetic BS.
You just keep repeating the same utter garbage, going around in circles and never justifying your pathetic BS.

Grow up.

Again, stop with the BS.
Just honestly admit what the words mean now, without any BS strings.
Is that really so hard?
I'm not even asking you to say it has always meant that.
I'm just trying to get you to admit a tiny bit of reality.
Yet you still seem so opposed.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1874 on: September 10, 2025, 10:39:01 PM »
What the words mean now? Who cares?  We’re talking about what they meant 200 years ago you idiot!

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1875 on: September 10, 2025, 10:40:12 PM »
You’re hopelessly stupid

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1876 on: September 11, 2025, 02:28:29 AM »
What the words mean now?
Yes. A simple admission, made without any convoluted BS.

Can you do it?
Can you show a single shred of integrity?

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1877 on: September 12, 2025, 06:28:26 PM »
yall are dumbasses, go lick a star, it's round.


MORGAN LOVES YOU

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1878 on: September 12, 2025, 08:07:07 PM »
What the words mean now?
Yes. A simple admission, made without any convoluted BS.

Can you do it?
Can you show a single shred of integrity?

Youve been caught lying about what ‘seeing’ meant, when they said it over 200 years ago, and that’s an absolute fact.

You claimed repeatedly that whenever they referred to the term ‘seeing’, as ‘bad, good, excellent, etc. seeing’, or any other way, that it meant the same thing, it was known to them back then.

That if Saturn appears to be in motion, or unclear to see as in a motionless state, which may or may not be what we’ve seen, or have seen, but anyone that may see such things, are due to effects, distortion of atmosphere, etc.

That’s what ‘seeing’ meant to them here!

You claimed this, did you not?

Answer that, yes or no, did you claim that?

If you didn’t make that claim, why haven’t you said I’m lying about it?

You’ve claimed I’ve lied about everything else I’ve ever said, but not about this?!?

You can’t say I’m lying about what you claimed, but you’ll never admit you said it, because you’re a coward, who can’t admit to lying, even when he’s caught in a lie!

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1879 on: September 12, 2025, 08:53:46 PM »
Youve been caught lying about what ‘seeing’ meant
No, I haven't.
Instead, you repeatedly lied, and tried to justify those lies with more lies after you were so easily shown to be lying.

Even now, you deflect with more pathetic lies than providing a simple admission.

So can you show a single shred of integrity and just be honest for one tiny moment of your otherwise entirely pathetic and dishonest existence?

Again, stop with the BS.
Just honestly admit what the words mean now, without any BS strings.
Is that really so hard?
Only lying scum intentionally avoiding it to try to escape reality would avoid such a simple request.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1880 on: September 13, 2025, 12:06:34 AM »
They said ‘seeing’ in their many reports and papers written over 200 years ago, that’s what we were referring to saying this term, or word, ‘seeing’, you bs artist!

How stupid are you to not admit what you claimed about it?

I’ve given you every chance now to simply admit what you claimed they meant by ‘seeing’, over 200 years ago, was a complete lie, you made up and told me was true!

You didn’t even have any clue that if ‘seeing’ NOW means this and that or whatever they said it means….

That it didn’t mean anything but what it had always meant, seeing means the same as viewing or observing, to see something or to view something or to observe something or to look at something, but back then, people said ‘seeing’ instead of ‘viewing’ or looking or observing, as we say today!

In fact, they themselves used other words instead of ‘seeing’, which further confirm that specific word, or adjective, ‘seeing’, is to see, what can be seen, and that’s how it’s used by them.

You claimed they meant ‘seeing’ as much much more than it looks to be, and that they all knew it meant a lot more than just ‘seeing’!

What you’ve shown is classic narcissistic behaviour. You believe that anything that looks like it supports your claims, will support your claims!

Even when they prove your claims are lies, you don’t even realize it, or deny that it does, and show it as your evidence!

You’ve shown proof of your very own lying, instead!

But the narcissist never ever admits to being proven a liar, proving themselves as liars with their own ‘evidence’!

Ignoring the proof he lied, by not even acknowledging it exists, or ever said, is the classic behaviour of a narcissist.

So is the next response, they try to accuse those proving them liars, by accusing them of lying instead!

Shout about them refusing to admit what the term now means, but when they do admit what it now means and it is not what you were lying about it meaning that back then, again ignore what you claimed was a lie, by not even acknowledging the existence of it. and say again I’m not admitting what it now means….

You’re just a nutcase


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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1881 on: September 13, 2025, 01:13:37 AM »
They said
Again, so utterly difficult for you to admit just a simple tiny thing.
All because you know it will unravel your web of lies.

That it didn’t mean anything but what it had always meant, seeing means the same as viewing or observing
There you go contradicting yourself yet again.

You act like it has always meant the same thing, but when confronted with irrefutable proof it doesn't, you just invent more lies and contradict yourself.

And this is why you refuse to answer simple questions.
Because you know it will expose your lies.

Again, stop with the BS, and admit that they don't mean the same thing.

Then we can move on to your lie that the meaning magically changed, because you need it to because of all the proof showing you are a worthless, lying, subhuman POS.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1882 on: September 13, 2025, 03:58:40 AM »
When it had meant the same thing for thousands of years, for over 200 years ago when they said it, and when it still means the same thing today, until a year or two ago, someone or some specific group of people that are by amazing coincidence also astronomers too!

That I said the term or word ‘seeing’ was always known and still is known to us, is absolutely true. Seeing, to see, is the same as viewing, to view, observing, to observe, looking at, to look at.

There can and there are many words today with other meanings referring to them.

But when just now, astronomers decide to revise the entire meaning of the term ‘seeing’, it is the first time any other meaning it has, and only for astronomers, nobody else.

I’m happy to admit they’ve now made up a new meaning for this term, although I’m sure 99.9 % of people wouldn’t know about it, and you just found out about it recently too, because it didn’t exist until now.

What you’ve shown here, is proof that you’re a liar.

When you cannot even admit that you lied about it, is the worst part of it.

I could show what you claimed about this word or term, that you said astronomers all understood what it meant, you lied about that too.

You’ve been a liar from childhood, probably. It’s inherent in narcissists to lie all the time. To never admit to lying, when caught in a lie, ever acknowledge its existence at all.

Their entire story, which is continually added on to, is built and based and connected as lies, it’s perfect for narcissists to support it all.

They are very insecure about themselves, and so much more than that, too.

What is the point in lying about  it?

Then act like it never existed at all?

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1883 on: September 13, 2025, 04:42:02 AM »
When it had meant the same thing for thousands of years, for over 200 years ago when they said it, and when it still means the same thing today
Good.
Glad you got all that pathetic BS out of the way, and you now fully admit that your prior claim that they changed it was a pathetic lie, made by you, a pathetic, lying, subhuman POS, to pretend your pathetic lies were true.

That means we no longer need to worry about what it meant then vs now, and instead can just focus on what it means NOW!

So care to stop with all the pathetic BS you keep appealing to and admit that seeing conditions/atmospheric seeing is quite different to visibility/visibility conditions?

What you’ve shown here, is proof that you’re a liar.
No. I have shown YOU are a liar.
You lie so often it isn't funny.
You can't even keep your pathetic story straight.

But now you really screwed up, putting a date on it:
"until a year or two ago"
Yet here is the wikipedia page from 10 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Astronomical_seeing&oldid=12559642

Clearly showing to everyone that you are a worthless, lying, subhuman POS who happily lies at any chance you get to pretend your pathetic, delusional BS is true.
So utterly pathetic, that you need to continually accuse other people of lying, instead of just owning up to your own.

When you cannot even admit that you lied
That wouldn't be admitting.
That would be lying, by claiming your delusional BS is true.
i.e. you want me to lie by falsely claiming I have lied
That is how utterly pathetic, desperate and dishonest you are.


Now again, STOP WITH ALL THE PATHETIC BS!
Can you bring yourself to admit the definitions are not the same?

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1884 on: September 13, 2025, 06:13:20 AM »
They had no other meanings to ‘seeing’, you claimed they did.

Guess I’ll have to go back and post what you lied about here, to show what a weasel you really are…

I’ll have to go and search out your claims on it, but it’ll be well worth the effort!


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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1885 on: September 13, 2025, 02:22:22 PM »
They had no other meanings to ‘seeing’, you claimed they did.
No. YOU claimed they did.
YOU claimed that seeing just meant visibility.
Yet the evidence so trivially showed you were lying to everyone.
So you invented a BS story about how they allegedly changed the meaning, yet you have absolutely nothing to support that pathetic lie of yours.
Then you decided to double down and even give a time frame, that it was a year or two ago.
Yet a Wikipedia page from 10 years ago shows that to be another pathetic lie from you.

The only one shown to be lying here IS YOU!

You have yet again demonstrated to everyone that you are a worthless, lying, subhuman POS with no morals, happy to blatantly lie to everyone to pretend your delusional fantasy is true.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1886 on: September 14, 2025, 02:08:19 AM »
Because ‘seeing’ did mean the same as visibility, and still does, to 99% of the world.

Hold on, are you claiming they DiD mean it that way back then still?

Based on what, exactly?

Look at the evidence, it is very clear to see.

They usually referred to ‘seeing’ as ‘bad or good or near perfect seeing conditions’, which means they mean it as a value of how clear the skies are to ‘see’ things like Saturn, which is exactly how it works with ‘visibily’ as ‘bad or good or excellent visibily conditions’. There is absolutely no difference in what they both mean, they mean the very same thing, since they are synonymous to one another, certainly they are in this case.

So look at their descriptions of ‘seeing’, but look through them a bit better this time, if you want to, because I know what they meant by ‘seeing’, know how they used ‘seeing’ as a level or degree of clarity, or vidibilty, they describe it in this form many times in fact. And they also used visibility instead of ‘seeing’, a few times.

Their own descriptions with the word prove what they meant by it, prove it meant the same as visibility to them, used in place of it a few times, and everything else you claimed and still claim they meant by it, was what YOU made up and lied that THEY meant it that way back then.

I’m sure that you wanted the word to cover for Saturns eternal and constant motion of a rapid rotation, or just any apparent motion it looks like anytime, by claiming ‘seeing’ meant any apparent motion of Saturn was due to an effect of atmosphere, or anything they saw which was ‘impossible to be true’, as if they knew what was possible or not of Saturn back then!

Since you’re going to keep claiming they meant all this by ‘seeing’, even after those recent astronomers only changed the meaning for astronomy 10 years ago or whatever, which further confirms they didn’t mean anything else by it except the same way as visibily, and I’ve shown you exactly how and where and why it was used the same way as visibility….

I think that you’re going to keep claiming what they meant by it, when it’s proven they never did mean such things, after they just changed its meaning recently, so back then THEY COULD NOT HAVE MEANT ANYTHING ELSE BY IT.  And there is nothing said in any document before or after they said it, until recently, that it ever meant something or anything else at all.

No bother, you know they never used it any other way, nobody ever mentioned that it meant anything else, know how they did use it to describe the clarity or vidibilty conditions.

And you certainly know that you lied about them meaning something else by it, and lied about how they ‘all understood what it meant’.

Those lies are yours, everyone here can find those lies in this thread, far back.

Another classic narcissist behaviour, when caught in lies, when proof is about to be shown to others of your lies…

Btw, I figured you might try this after i told you I’d show your claims again. That’s not good for you, so rather than actually admit you were lying, which a narcissist would rather kill themselves before admitting to their many lies….

You chose the only other option than the truth, to admit you lied about it all, is never an option for you…

A narcissist will say their claim IS true, not a lie, like a murdered filmed committing a murder will deny he killed anyone to his deathbed, or his execution, in some states and countries.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1887 on: September 14, 2025, 02:21:34 AM »
Because ‘

Again.  Saturn is a moot point.  Jupiter, its moons, and comets all prove the heliocentric model.


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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1888 on: September 14, 2025, 02:27:19 AM »
Because ‘

Again.  Saturn is a moot point.  Jupiter, its moons, and comets all prove the heliocentric model.

Why don’t you tell me about this proof, don’t just say it’s proof. Support your claim with evidence….

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #1889 on: September 14, 2025, 03:08:45 AM »
Because ‘

Again.  Saturn is a moot point.  Jupiter, its moons, and comets all prove the heliocentric model.

Why don’t you tell me about this proof, don’t just say it’s proof. Support your claim with evidence….

Your whole point concerning Saturn was to try and discredit the heliocentric solar system.

If you think Saturn is bad data.  Throw it out.  The heliocentric solar system is still proven by Jupiter, Jupiter’s moons, Mars and its moons, Venus and its phases, the moon and its phases, charged particles from the sun, comets, lunar eclipses, and solar eclipses.