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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #90 on: April 03, 2023, 12:59:43 PM »
"North" in FE map means something quite different than in a RE.

So all pilots aren't really flying North when they think they are? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2023, 01:36:43 PM »
"North" in FE map means something quite different than in a RE.

So all pilots aren't really flying North when they think they are? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Don’t you get it.  They have a “real” magic compass they have to keep secret. 

The compasses you can buy in the stores are for spherical earth chumps.  Made by the NWO to trick everyone into thinking the earth is spherical.  Except those pilots in the know.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #92 on: April 03, 2023, 02:21:04 PM »
During summer in the northern hemisphere, the sun moves around the Tropic of Cancer. During summer in the southern hemisphere also known as winter in the northern hemisphere (having been to South Africa, June, July, and August are freaking cold), the sun moves around the Tropic of Capricorn. At no point does it move "up Canada".
The issue is the monopole FE model, which has the sun circling the north pole.
That means that as the sun moves to the west, it curves around the north pole, meaning to the person observing it, it will appear to have moved north as well.

e.g. if you are on a region where the sun passes directly overhead, when the sun has moved 90 degrees around the north pole, the sun wont appear west for you, instead it will appear north west.

How about you try to address the issues rather than deflecting?

How do people see the sun appear to the west, when it should appear to the north west?

Stop just spouting vague BS, and start addressing the issues with your fantasy.
So far we have a RE model which explains all the issues found in this thread.
But your fantasy fails to explain how the cloud is illuminated from below rather than above and it fails to explain how the sun rises due east and sets due west on the equinox, or how it appears to the west (or even worse the south west) when it should be appearing to the north west.
In short, it entirely fails to explain what is observed.
You delusional fantasy doesn't work.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2023, 10:25:22 PM »
"North" in FE map means something quite different than in a RE.

So all pilots aren't really flying North when they think they are? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Don’t you get it.  They have a “real” magic compass they have to keep secret. 

The compasses you can buy in the stores are for spherical earth chumps.  Made by the NWO to trick everyone into thinking the earth is spherical.  Except those pilots in the know.

Nothing like a bit of insanity to brighten my day.

Magic compasses indeed.

I suppose if you don't really understand what the North Pole is, then of course you'd think magnetism is magic.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/261547/northern-hemisphere-compass-points-where-in-southern-hemisphere

Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Only...
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No, in the southern hemisphere the same "red painted" end of the compass will still point to the north magnetic pole.

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If you keep 2 bar magnets together opposite poles attract. We all know that. A freely suspended bar magnet will also align with Earth magnetic field. Earth is a big magnet and needle in the compass is also a magnet.

If you think the Earth's magnetic north is north pole then the needle in the compass with red Mark should be south pole and vice versa. That is why they attract and needle in compass with red end point should always point Earth north pole irrespective of which hemisphere.

Magnetic compass usually come with error, manufacturers will specify error correction table based on your position on earth. Magnetic compass maybe reliable up to 70 degrees latitude but as you move close to poles the compass is of no use. That is why aircrafts fly in polar regions do not rely on magnetic compass. I hope this answer helps.

That last bit is crap. The point at which you supposedly get compass interference is the point where as part of the Antarctic Treaty you will bw told to leave. That area is no-fly zone having less to do with magnetism, and more to do with bureaucrats. So for the simple answer, it should ALWAYS point north, except when near a magnetic deposit.   

This leave two options:
1. Magnets work by attracting opposite polarity and repelling like polarity. So if North and South Poles are opposite polarity (they should be or there would be no charge), the compass with always be attracted to the one and repelled by the other, so it should always point the same way. North.
2. But there's a problem. The compass should constantly be wavering as it tries to push away from the South Pole if it were equal in magnetic pull, but rather there appears to be only one pull, attraction due north (with the exception of magnetic ores).

The South Pole does not exist.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2023, 10:52:49 PM »
Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


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Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2023, 03:32:55 PM »
That last bit is crap. The point at which you supposedly get compass interference is the point where as part of the Antarctic Treaty you will bw told to leave. That area is no-fly zone having less to do with magnetism, and more to do with bureaucrats. So for the simple answer, it should ALWAYS point north, except when near a magnetic deposit.
No, your understanding is crap.

There are several issues.
First is that the magnetic north pole is not the same as the geographic north pole.
When you are far away, the difference is usually fairly constant.
But when you are close to either pole, the difference can change quite quickly.

The other issue is the direction of the field.
Away from the poles, the field has a large component parallel to the surface of Earth.
But as you approach the pole, the component parallel to Earth diminishes while the component perpendicular to Earth increases. And this makes it harder for the magnet to align.

This leave two options:
1. Magnets work by attracting opposite polarity and repelling like polarity. So if North and South Poles are opposite polarity (they should be or there would be no charge), the compass with always be attracted to the one and repelled by the other, so it should always point the same way. North.
2. But there's a problem. The compass should constantly be wavering as it tries to push away from the South Pole if it were equal in magnetic pull, but rather there appears to be only one pull, attraction due north (with the exception of magnetic ores).

The South Pole does not exist.
Man you love spouting garbage don't you?

Why should the compass be wavering?

It is really quite simple:

EARTH-SOUTH----------------------------MAGNET-NORTH--MAGNET-SOUTH---------------------------EARTH-NORTH

The magnet in the compass aligns with Earth's magnetic field.
The south side of the magnet in the compass is attracted to Earth's north pole and repelled by Earth's south pole.
Likewise, the north side of the magnet in the compass is attracted to Earth's south pole and repelled by Earth's north pole.

At this point, the south pole of the magnet is as far away from Earth's south pole and as close to Earth's north pole as it can be without moving the entire magnet closer to the north pole.
Likewise, the north pole of the magnet is as far away from Earth's north pole and as close to Earth's south pole as it can be without moving the entire magnet closer to the south pole.

So just why should there be wavering?

And if you want to appeal to it not being perfectly aligned, that doesn't help you either, as the magnetic field near the magnet will be the sum of the magnetic field due to all other magnets, and it will align with that field.
You can try this yourself with a few powerful magnets and a compass.
Place them in a fixed spot (i.e. don't keep moving it around), and you see the compass aligns with the fields of the magnets and doesn't magically waver.

So no, there is no problem, and no reason to dismiss the existence of the south pole.


And again, none of this helps to explain how your sun is magically shining on the cloud from below when it is above.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2023, 06:05:47 AM »
Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

How would you know?

Interesting that you can get a nice brass compass for $10.


But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.

This is called a scam.

How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

You are not getting closer to the South Pole.
You are getting further from the North Pole.

If you were getting closer to the South Pole, the point would turn. Because it is only moving away from the North Pole, the point only dips.

Btw, I tested the whole "light is electromagnetic" thing is another lie. we are told that stars can't be closer than they say they are because light is in the electromagnetic spectrum. I tried a lamp with two compasses, and neither one budged. There's nothing magnetic about light. On the other hand, I was able to significantly move the point of the compass using the Kindle I have.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/41680/why-is-light-called-an-electromagnetic-wave-if-its-neither-electric-nor-magne

Basically they agree that it's neither electric or magnetic. Though you can use the oscillating waves to indirectly generate currents.

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Light is called an 'electromagnetic wave' for historical reasons*
in the following sense: It turned out that the effects of visible light and other radiation can be calculated using Maxwell's equations, which are also used to model the behaviour of electrically charged particles. This was an instant of a successful unification and it hasn't been dismissed since. Nine answer and the word "Maxwell" has not been used yet! Please see also the following wikipedia article, which contains a section First to propose that light is an electromagnetic wave.

(*That bold sentence is essentially a tautology: People name things, and so names are not independed from previous experience. At least both the Descriptivist theory of names by Russel et. al. and the more modern Causal theory of reference by Saul Kripke exibit this feature.)

In other words, Maxwell called it that, and despite thar you can demonstrate that a lightbulb neither charges anything nor affects the point of a compass, people will insist it's electromagnetic.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2023, 06:31:54 AM by bulmabriefs144 »
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2023, 07:21:09 AM »

Btw, I tested the whole "light is electromagnetic" thing is another lie. we are told that stars can't be closer than they say they are because light is in the electromagnetic spectrum. I tried a lamp with two compasses, and neither one budged. There's nothing magnetic about light.

A few photons of a small lamp part of the electromagnetic spectrum vs the mass of the earth’s spinning core producing a magnetic field with north and south poles.

You don’t say…

How exactly should your example of a small ice cube  (your lamp) in the midst of ocean waves (the earth’s magnetic field) work?   


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2023, 10:01:16 AM »
Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

How would you know?

Interesting that you can get a nice brass compass for $10.


But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.

This is called a scam.

Goodness me. Do you ever think things through before posting? That extremely expensive compass is on a professional level and designed to limit dip in both hemispheres. Most regular old compasses are hemisphere specific in their weighting and cost a reasonable amount.

Here's a nice consumer hiker version. Suunto is a big maker in compasses. Just head over to your local REI:

https://www.rei.com/product/890930/suunto-m-3-d-leader-compass

Notice the Features listed (Hint: See red/bolded):

Features
- High-grade steel needle with jewel bearing
- Balanced for northern hemisphere
- Adjustable declination correction
- Liquid-filled capsule for stable operation
- Luminescent markings for working in low light
- Metric and Imperial scales
- Baseplate with magnifying lens
- Detachable snap-lock lanyard with wristlock
- Made in Finland


From REI's How to Choose a Compass page:

Advanced Compass Features
- Declination adjustment: “Declination” is the difference in degrees between true north and magnetic north. Because declination varies depending on where you are, adjustable declination is important to have. With adjustable declination, you set it and forget it until you travel to a new region.
- Sighting mirror: Helps you aim more precisely when following a precise bearing on a distant landmark. Also doubles as an emergency signaling device.
- Clinometer: Allows you to measure the vertical angle (steepness) of a slope; helpful for assessing avalanche hazards and the heights of objects.
- Global needle: This feature compensates for magnetic-field variances and allows a compass to work smoothly and accurately worldwide. Otherwise, a compass is either North- or South-America specific.


I suppose now you're gonna say that the compass manufacturing industry is in on the NWO Masonic Lizard People NASA conspiracy.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2023, 02:10:52 PM »
It seems you are going for another round of spouting as much BS as you can on as many different topics as you can, to flee from everything about this discussion.

Once more, do you have any idea of how the sun can magically cast light upwards onto the cloud?
Do you have any idea how the sun can magically appear to rise due east for everyone on the equinox?
Or how it rises south of east during the southern summer?

But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.
Try comparing like for like.
What you are comparing is a cheap compass to an expensive one. It is quite obvious that all the features are different.

Regardless, even if the only difference was the dip, that doesn't make it a scam. To make it a scam it would need to be entirely unneeded, or at the very least capable of being done for a much lower cost.
Otherwise you may as well call motorbikes scams because you can buy a cheap bike for $50.

How do I know there's no South Pole?
You don't.
You are just desperate for there to not be a south pole so you can pretend your fantasy is true.

In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.
In other words, you have cheap crappy compasses and have no idea what you are talking about and don't even understand how magnetic fields interact, and make claims which don't help your case at all.

Why don't you try buying a device to actually measure the dip?

If you were getting closer to the South Pole, the point would turn.
Why?
Again, you spout the same delusional BS with no justification.

The compass will align with the magnetic field. And it does change direction as you move around.

Btw, I tested the whole "light is electromagnetic" thing is another lie.
You mean you just asserted delusional BS.
You fail to understand what the word actually means, so you just throw garbage at it.

we are told that stars can't be closer than they say they are because light is in the electromagnetic spectrum.
By who?

We are told the stars must be very far away for many reasons.
One is the same reason as the moon and the sun.
Their brightness doesn't change regardless of where you are on Earth, and constellations don't change as you would expect close stars to do.
This means they must be very far away.
But this also applies with Earth's orbit around the sun, so the distance to the stars must be many times the size of Earth's orbit.
And for close ones we can actually measure the parallax and determine how far away it is.

It has nothing to do with it being electromagnetic.

Try to actually understand things before spouting pure BS about it.

I tried a lamp with two compasses, and neither one budged.
And what frequency where you using?
Try having another magnet a few hundred m away (to simulate the weak photos you used), and oscillated it at a rate of roughly 500 THz, that is 500 000 000 000 000 per second. See if you can notice it move then.
Your failure to comprehend doesn't impact reality at all.

Light is EM, because it is an oscillation in the electromagnetic field.
Your inability to detect these oscillations due to how fast they are doesn't negate their existence.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2023, 07:31:49 AM »
Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

How would you know?

Interesting that you can get a nice brass compass for $10.


But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.

This is called a scam.

Goodness me. Do you ever think things through before posting? That extremely expensive compass is on a professional level and designed to limit dip in both hemispheres. Most regular old compasses are hemisphere specific in their weighting and cost a reasonable amount.

Here's a nice consumer hiker version. Suunto is a big maker in compasses. Just head over to your local REI:

https://www.rei.com/product/890930/suunto-m-3-d-leader-compass

Notice the Features listed (Hint: See red/bolded):

Features
- High-grade steel needle with jewel bearing
- Balanced for northern hemisphere
- Adjustable declination correction
- Liquid-filled capsule for stable operation
- Luminescent markings for working in low light
- Metric and Imperial scales
- Baseplate with magnifying lens
- Detachable snap-lock lanyard with wristlock
- Made in Finland


From REI's How to Choose a Compass page:

Advanced Compass Features
- Declination adjustment: “Declination” is the difference in degrees between true north and magnetic north. Because declination varies depending on where you are, adjustable declination is important to have. With adjustable declination, you set it and forget it until you travel to a new region.
- Sighting mirror: Helps you aim more precisely when following a precise bearing on a distant landmark. Also doubles as an emergency signaling device.
- Clinometer: Allows you to measure the vertical angle (steepness) of a slope; helpful for assessing avalanche hazards and the heights of objects.
- Global needle: This feature compensates for magnetic-field variances and allows a compass to work smoothly and accurately worldwide. Otherwise, a compass is either North- or South-America specific.


I suppose now you're gonna say that the compass manufacturing industry is in on the NWO Masonic Lizard People NASA conspiracy.

No, it's not.

But you seem to have missed the point.

I'm not an NwO fringer. As far as I'm concerned, the NwO only applies to Big State. And wrestling.

What concerns me is that people throw away money on gimmicks and false advertising.

They call it being balanced for northern hemisphere, but what this means is that it's too weak from the sounds of it to work in the southern hemisphere.

Oh no, they say later that it works worldwide. Meaning that like the two compasses stacked atop each other making the top one stronger, you can make a compass continue to work in the southern hemisphere for reasons other than advertised.

Understanding those reasons means you save $400.

If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2023, 09:50:32 AM »
Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

How would you know?

Interesting that you can get a nice brass compass for $10.


But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.

This is called a scam.

Goodness me. Do you ever think things through before posting? That extremely expensive compass is on a professional level and designed to limit dip in both hemispheres. Most regular old compasses are hemisphere specific in their weighting and cost a reasonable amount.

Here's a nice consumer hiker version. Suunto is a big maker in compasses. Just head over to your local REI:

https://www.rei.com/product/890930/suunto-m-3-d-leader-compass

Notice the Features listed (Hint: See red/bolded):

Features
- High-grade steel needle with jewel bearing
- Balanced for northern hemisphere
- Adjustable declination correction
- Liquid-filled capsule for stable operation
- Luminescent markings for working in low light
- Metric and Imperial scales
- Baseplate with magnifying lens
- Detachable snap-lock lanyard with wristlock
- Made in Finland


From REI's How to Choose a Compass page:

Advanced Compass Features
- Declination adjustment: “Declination” is the difference in degrees between true north and magnetic north. Because declination varies depending on where you are, adjustable declination is important to have. With adjustable declination, you set it and forget it until you travel to a new region.
- Sighting mirror: Helps you aim more precisely when following a precise bearing on a distant landmark. Also doubles as an emergency signaling device.
- Clinometer: Allows you to measure the vertical angle (steepness) of a slope; helpful for assessing avalanche hazards and the heights of objects.
- Global needle: This feature compensates for magnetic-field variances and allows a compass to work smoothly and accurately worldwide. Otherwise, a compass is either North- or South-America specific.


I suppose now you're gonna say that the compass manufacturing industry is in on the NWO Masonic Lizard People NASA conspiracy.
They call it being balanced for northern hemisphere, but what this means is that it's too weak from the sounds of it to work in the southern hemisphere.

What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2023, 11:22:05 AM »
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What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.

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The enjoyment of reading comes from comprehension, not decoding words. Kids who love to read have good comprehension skills.

Comprehension skills need to be taught, not just tested
Key reading comprehension skills include:

identifying and summarizing the main idea of a text
comparing & contrasting
identifying supporting facts and details
making inferences & drawing conclusions
predicting outcomes
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recognizing realism versus fantasy
identifying cause & effect
recognizing sequence of events
identifying story elements such as main characters, settings, plot, conflict, solution,
identifying the author’s purpose and point of view
interpreting literary devices such as imagery, symbolism and metaphors

The difference between a scam and a conspiracy is that a scam is only devised to save or makemoney, while a conspiracy involves a group people with an agenda.

Now I already said and you neither read nor understood.

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How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere, though nonetheless, the wrong end pointed toward the North Pole. The other compass I had pointed to the same direction with the correct point,with no dip. Putting compass B underneath compass A inverted the wonky point of compass A and removed the dip.

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2023, 12:23:08 PM »
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What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.

How does a cosmologist or astronomer scam you? And yes, it would not be just a scam, it would have to involve a conspiracy of millions to hide the real observations of the cosmos involving professional astronomers as well as amateur ones.

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How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere, though nonetheless, the wrong end pointed toward the North Pole. The other compass I had pointed to the same direction with the correct point,with no dip. Putting compass B underneath compass A inverted the wonky point of compass A and removed the dip.

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.

Try a compass without the loadstone removed.

And are all the compass manufacturers in on the scam/conspiracy too?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2023, 03:09:22 PM »
No, it's not.
But you seem to have missed the point.
No, we fully get the point.
You hate reality.
You want to pretend it is fake.
Your latest attempt at this is trying to claim a high quality compass is no better than cheap crap so you can pretend it is a scam.
Going to start calling motor bikes scams because they cost so much more than push bikes?

Just look at how far you have fled.
This started with a simple picture of a sunrise, showing the light from the sun being cast upwards onto the bottom of the clouds.
This is something which is trivial for the RE to explain, even with your repeated lies about the RE.
But it is something you can't explain at all.
So rather than address it, you just appeal to pure BS after pure BS, slowly derailing the thread so now we are talking about magnetism on Earth and how Earth has 2 magnetic poles with dip.
And you seem to want to imply something which has never been observed, a magnetic monopole.
And you want to pretend there is no dip.
But if you just pretended that the FE is like a ring magnet, then that gives you a north pole at the centre and a south pole at the ring, and would result in a dip.

You hate reality so much that you don't bother thinking about it, you just jump straight to lying about it; making up whatever BS you can to reject reality at all costs.

They call it being balanced for northern hemisphere, but what this means is that it's too weak from the sounds of it to work in the southern hemisphere.
No, what it means is you are looking for excuses to reject reality.

Here is an example showing that wont work:
https://prospectors.com.au/products/a-10-360cm-sh-field-compass-southern-hemisphere-suunto
This one is balanced for the southern hemisphere.
What would that mean in your fantasy? It is too strong to work in the north?

Again, you hating reality doesn't make reality fake.

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.
As it would involve so many groups, it would need to be a conspiracy, not simply a scam.

The difference between a scam and a conspiracy is that a scam is only devised to save or makemoney, while a conspiracy involves a group people with an agenda.
And that agenda can be to make money.

The difference between a scam and a conspiracy is that a scam can be an individual, while a conspiracy requires multiple co-conspirators; and a scam is primarily about money while conspiracies CAN be about other things.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere
Why should it dip?

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.
Why would gravity cause it to dip, and only a small amount?
What force holds it in place?
If it was due to gravity and the compass was balanced, it shouldn't dip at all.
If it was due to gravity and the compass wasn't balanced, then it should keep on rotating rather than stopping at a specific dip.

You can also take the same device and use it in many locations and observe a different dip, demonstrating it isn't merely gravity.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #105 on: April 11, 2023, 05:57:19 AM »
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What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.

How does a cosmologist or astronomer scam you? And yes, it would not be just a scam, it would have to involve a conspiracy of millions to hide the real observations of the cosmos involving professional astronomers as well as amateur ones.

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How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere, though nonetheless, the wrong end pointed toward the North Pole. The other compass I had pointed to the same direction with the correct point,with no dip. Putting compass B underneath compass A inverted the wonky point of compass A and removed the dip.

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.

Try a compass without the loadstone removed.

And are all the compass manufacturers in on the scam/conspiracy too?

Lodestone not loadstone.

My compass is useful because it doesn't even work in the northern hemisphere. As a compass it is worthless for navigation (I use another compass for that), but for pointing to truth, there is nothing better.

The scam is simply that you're paying $400 for features that really aren't there. It's simply a stronger magnet. They didn't "acclimate it to work on the southern hemisphere".

A stronger magnet feels a stronger pull to an opposite polarity, and thus does not dip. The same as you can make a telescope stronger with more lenses. You can add more of a magnet to make compasses able to better feel the North Pole. It's a scam not a conspiracy here.

If you wanna continue paying $400 for a compass every time you lose or break one, go right ahead.

But as for me, there's nothing much interesting south of the equator. Even the Mayan and Aztec ruins are mostly in Central America (except maybe Machu Picchu).
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #106 on: April 11, 2023, 10:05:29 AM »
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What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.

How does a cosmologist or astronomer scam you? And yes, it would not be just a scam, it would have to involve a conspiracy of millions to hide the real observations of the cosmos involving professional astronomers as well as amateur ones.

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How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere, though nonetheless, the wrong end pointed toward the North Pole. The other compass I had pointed to the same direction with the correct point,with no dip. Putting compass B underneath compass A inverted the wonky point of compass A and removed the dip.

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.

Try a compass without the loadstone removed.

And are all the compass manufacturers in on the scam/conspiracy too?

Lodestone not loadstone.

My compass is useful because it doesn't even work in the northern hemisphere. As a compass it is worthless for navigation (I use another compass for that), but for pointing to truth, there is nothing better.

The scam is simply that you're paying $400 for features that really aren't there. It's simply a stronger magnet. They didn't "acclimate it to work on the southern hemisphere".

I don't know why you're hung up on the $400 compass pricetag like that's the only compass in the world and when you've already been shown 2 digit compasses optimized for either the northern or southern hemisphere. Do you think people don't remember what's already been posted?

In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it.

As for the pricier dual hemisphere compasses, they work like this:

Magnetic compasses used by explorers of the American West were weighted for use in North America. Today one can buy compasses with "global needles" that work equally well in both hemispheres. They have a double system, pivoting the magnets and the needle separately, but coupled.

Here, I just found you a global dual-hemisphere compass at REI for just $95:




Take special note of "This full-featured compass lets you take accurate bearings with a sighting notch and mirror, plus its patented Global needle works anywhere on earth."

What's really going to bake your noodle is the dip compass, aka, dip meter:





Are you now going to say that the compass manufacturing industry are all wrong and in on the conspiracy?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2023, 06:26:18 AM »
They're just wrong.

The only conspiracy is with NASA. That's a company that is  actively making the big bucks. Telescopes and compasses, any stuff that is about them is just markup and inflated advertising. The big fraud is in satellite and the NatGeo "maps of the stars". We're still just cavemen barely in infancy in flight. You'll see the steady progression of flight speeds, then all of a sudden they'll talk of rocket stuff, and you'll jump from 1200 mph to 4000 mph, then all the way to 17,500 mph. Right... So I trust wikipedia but I always ask myself if results seem plausible. They don't. They seem doctored to cover a narrative. Such speed should be creating massive shockwaves, breaking the glasses of anyone nearby the takeoff (just as moving past the mach speed creates a sonic boom). Instead large crowds can sit at a distance waving their flags and looking with binoculars  while this flies away at an apparently slow speed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record
So at 60 mph, you are going a mile a minute. From the road, the car disappears fairly quickly. Same for a plane going at 360 mph or 6 miles a minute. But at 291.6667 miles a minute, you'd expect to blink and this thing would be out of sight. So how is it that we can see a trail of flame moving at around the same speed as a regular old plane? You can actually see it fly off. It's not ripping through the atmosphere at 48 times the speed of a regular plane.


So like yesterday I was watering plants, and I noticed the sun being out was casting a rainbow  so using the  hose, I traced out a perfect perfect angled circle in the air. Tday, I found a second one on the ground where sunlight was actually hitting (well behind the garden I was supposed to be watering,but SCIENCE). We have proven the rainbow's path is based on angle of sunlight, as both times it was around 9 or10, and that it's endpoint is also circular.

So like, you know how the guy (it doesn't MATTER what his name is) in Egypt saw those shadows and concluded the Earth must be round? Well the reason I don't bothsr with his name is that he's an idiot who didn't bother with follow-through. Is it simply round (it is), or is it spherical (not proven).

Yeah it's a round disc. Just as the sun is a round disc hitting us at an angle.
Okay, lookit. What we know from observation here. The rainbow was a flat circle in touchdown point, and an angled flat circle in the air. There was no lumpiness on the ground (we're not seeing ground as flat when it is "really" spherical), and I was not able to find a side rainbow by spraying around at cross-angles from the original angle in the air. We are definitely not able to prove the Earth is round from this (though not able to disprove either). You know what we can prove?

The sun's light comes from God and not itself.

"But bulma, that's outrageous!" Yes, but I'm afraid it's true. You see, both in the point where it casts on the ground, and the point where UV waves travel through there is a big O, a circle that is hollow in the center. No, I didn't see a solid rainbow of light where the sun touched down (and it was farther back than I expected). It was a flat directed light like you'd get from a spotlight (rather than the sort of light you'd get from from an uncovered lightbulb). This is the sort of light that hits the moon at angle and causes its phases. But even a spotlight has a center. What could cause it to have a large gap in the middle of the rainbow?

...Oh.

You see, if the sun was casting its own light (as everyone in NASA claims, showing elaborate pictures),

every rainbow you see should be a solid disc. But if the sun is a backlit from another source, the sun is bright but only actually casts light around its edges.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2023, 09:58:32 AM »
They're just wrong.

According to whom? And if they are all wrong, pretty shocking that their instruments all work with great utility, efficiency, and accuracy. Planes aren't dropping out of the skies and ships seem to get where they need to go. Go figure.

The only conspiracy is with NASA.

Don't forget, all of these countries and companies too, some are actual enemies and competitors of NASA...





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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2023, 12:47:57 PM »
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
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So like, you know how the guy (it doesn't MATTER what his name is) in Egypt saw those shadows and concluded the Earth must be round?


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #111 on: April 12, 2023, 02:08:35 PM »
They're just wrong.

The only conspiracy is with NASA. That's a company that is  actively making the big bucks. Telescopes and compasses, any stuff that is about them is just markup and inflated advertising. The big fraud is in satellite and the NatGeo "maps of the stars". We're still just cavemen barely in infancy in flight. You'll see the steady progression of flight speeds, then all of a sudden they'll talk of rocket stuff, and you'll jump from 1200 mph to 4000 mph, then all the way to 17,500 mph. Right...
More on this below.
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So I trust wikipedia but I always ask myself if results seem plausible.

This is a very good approach.

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They don't. They seem doctored to cover a narrative. Such speed should be creating massive shockwaves, breaking the glasses of anyone nearby the takeoff (just as moving past the mach speed creates a sonic boom). Instead large crowds can sit at a distance waving their flags and looking with binoculars  while this flies away at an apparently slow speed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record
So at 60 mph, you are going a mile a minute. From the road, the car disappears fairly quickly. Same for a plane going at 360 mph or 6 miles a minute. But at 291.6667 miles a minute, you'd expect to blink and this thing would be out of sight. So how is it that we can see a trail of flame moving at around the same speed as a regular old plane? You can actually see it fly off. It's not ripping through the atmosphere at 48 times the speed of a regular plane.


You seem to think that a launched rocket will accelerate from zero to maximum velocity instantaneously, or nearly so. They don't because they can't. This may be why you are so perplexed by what actually happens.

In reality, rockets bound for earth orbit and beyond accelerate very slowly at first because the engines must lift the entire mass of the rocket body, payload, and all the fuel needed to reach its intended state (position and velocity) straight up. As the flight progresses, the velocity increases because there is enough thrust to accelerate the total mass (velocity = acceleration times time), and if nothing else changed it would continue to slowly accelerate.

But things do change. For one, all the fuel and oxidizer consumed and ejected at high velocity out the back cause the fuel mass to decrease. This decrease of mass allows the same amount of thrust to accelerate the rocket, payload, and remaining fuel more and more rapidly as more and more fuel is consumed (thrust is force, and force = mass times acceleration, so using simple algebra we see that acceleration = force divided by mass; a constant force (thrust) divided by a decreasing mass produces increasing acceleration). Another factor is that a payload destined for orbit must have a large horizontal velocity relative to the surface, so the rocket will change pitch from the vertical trajectory needed to clear the launch tower and other obstacles to an increasingly horizontal trajectory as the altitude increases. Doing this means that it doesn't have to spend as high a percentage of its thrust fighting gravity, making the acceleration increase even more rapidly, so it gains velocity even faster.

The upshot is that when it's leaving the launch pad it's not traveling very fast at all. By the time it has accelerated to Mach 1 and beyond, it's pretty far away, pretty high (so the air is thin, which mitigates the strength of the sonic boom), and in this case, well out into the Atlantic where there aren't many people to have their glasses broken, and the ones that are there are pretty far away from the rocket, so the sonic boom is diminished.

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So like yesterday I was watering plants, and I noticed the sun being out was casting a rainbow  so using the  hose, I traced out a perfect perfect angled circle in the air. Tday, I found a second one on the ground where sunlight was actually hitting (well behind the garden I was supposed to be watering,but SCIENCE). We have proven the rainbow's path is based on angle of sunlight, as both times it was around 9 or10, and that it's endpoint is also circular.

More on this below.

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So like, you know how the guy (it doesn't MATTER what his name is) in Egypt saw those shadows and concluded the Earth must be round? Well the reason I don't bothsr with his name is that he's an idiot who didn't bother with follow-through. Is it simply round (it is), or is it spherical (not proven).

It's Eratosthenes. He already knew from observations made by himself and others that the earth was a sphere. What was not previously known was its size. His follow-through was to use the data from his  shadow experiment to make the first accurate determination of the spherical earth's circumference.

"... didn't bother with follow-through." Bullshit!

After that brief diversion, I guess you're back to rainbows...

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Yeah it's a round disc. Just as the sun is a round disc hitting us at an angle.
Okay, lookit. What we know from observation here. The rainbow was a flat circle in touchdown point, and an angled flat circle in the air. There was no lumpiness on the ground (we're not seeing ground as flat when it is "really" spherical), and I was not able to find a side rainbow by spraying around at cross-angles from the original angle in the air. We are definitely not able to prove the Earth is round from this (though not able to disprove either). You know what we can prove?

The sun's light comes from God and not itself.

"But bulma, that's outrageous!" Yes, but I'm afraid it's true. You see, both in the point where it casts on the ground, and the point where UV waves travel through there is a big O, a circle that is hollow in the center. No, I didn't see a solid rainbow of light where the sun touched down (and it was farther back than I expected). It was a flat directed light like you'd get from a spotlight (rather than the sort of light you'd get from from an uncovered lightbulb). This is the sort of light that hits the moon at angle and causes its phases. But even a spotlight has a center. What could cause it to have a large gap in the middle of the rainbow?

...Oh.

You see, if the sun was casting its own light (as everyone in NASA claims, showing elaborate pictures),

every rainbow you see should be a solid disc. But if the sun is a backlit from another source, the sun is bright but only actually casts light around its edges.


[Emphasis added, images shrunk]

That's a rather bizarre way of getting there, but the fact is that rainbows actually are discs. You just haven't noticed.



See the lighter color inside the rainbow? That's the result of a bunch of overlapping "supernumerary" rainbows inside the main one. The effect is somewhat subtle, but can be seen by in the right conditions if you look for it. It appears in some old paintings, so the artists noticed and rendered it; artists tend to be more observant and detail-oriented than most people, but now that you know to look for this, you can see it, too!

Explanation of that image:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Supernumerary-rainbows-jb.jpg
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #112 on: April 12, 2023, 03:51:17 PM »
My compass is useful because it doesn't even work in the northern hemisphere.
That's not useful. That is useless.

The scam is simply that you're paying $400 for features that really aren't there.
You hating reality, and wanting to pretend it is a scam doesn't make it so.
Magnetic dip is an easily verifiable phenomenon. You rejecting it won't magically make it go away.

Again, what you are saying is like saying motorbikes are a scam, because you can get a push bike for much cheaper.

They're just wrong.
Why?
Because you need them to be in order to pretend your fantasy is true?

Have you considered that you are the one who is wrong?

The only conspiracy is with NASA.
Something you are yet to justify, as they would need to waste so much money in order to fake it.

You'll see the steady progression of flight speeds, then all of a sudden they'll talk of rocket stuff, and you'll jump from 1200 mph to 4000 mph, then all the way to 17,500 mph.
Which is quite understandable.
The big limiting factor to speed in the atmosphere, is the atmosphere.
It creates a lot of drag, which slows down planes.
Take away the atmosphere and you can go much much faster.

A simple comparison is the Concorde vs jumbo jets.
Jumbo jets won because they were more efficient and were cheaper to run (and in part due to super sonic flight being disturbing and primarily only allowed over the ocean).
Faster aircraft have issues with heating, and efficiency.

Space craft do not as they are not continually burning fuel to fly through a dense atmosphere.

Right... So I trust wikipedia but I always ask myself if results seem plausible.
No you don't.
You ask yourself if it fits with your fantasy.

Such speed should be creating massive shockwaves
In what?

breaking the glasses of anyone nearby the takeoff (just as moving past the mach speed creates a sonic boom).
The pressure waves immediately next to the rocket are incredibly large at the launch site, which is why no one stands right next to it.
But the sonic boom created when it goes supersonic travels in the wrong direction. As the rocket is going primarily vertically, the sonic boom will travel outwards primarily horizontally.
By the time it reaches the ground it will be incredibly weak.

From the road, the car disappears fairly quickly. Same for a plane going at 360 mph or 6 miles a minute. But at 291.6667 miles a minute, you'd expect to blink and this thing would be out of sight.
So many issues wrong with this.
The car is driving along a road, and will disappear when it goes far enough past the horizon, with the curvature of Earth blocking the view.
A plane, flying much higher, can be seen for significantly longer because it is higher.
A rocket, doesn't instantly start out at that speed. It starts slowly and increases in speed, and initially is going vertically.
This all combines to allow it to be seen for quite long.
But as already shown with the ISS, you have a short window to view it once it is in orbit.

We have proven the rainbow's path is based on angle of sunlight, as both times it was around 9 or10, and that it's endpoint is also circular.
You didn't need to prove that.
Rainbows are due to multiple reflections inside water droplets. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

So like, you know how the guy (it doesn't MATTER what his name is) in Egypt saw those shadows and concluded the Earth must be round?
No.
They already knew Earth was round.
The shadows allowed them to determine how big Earth is.

Is it simply round (it is), or is it spherical (not proven).
Proven beyond any sane doubt.
The experiment relies upon curvature in the vertical direction.
This means if Earth was a disc, we would need to be on the edge of this disc.

Another simple example is this very thread, where sunlight is being cast upwards onto the bottom of a cloud, even though the sun still high in the sky elsewhere on Earth.

The sun's light comes from God and not itself.
And this now allows us to bring rainbows into it.
If that was the case, why do rainbows form at very particular angles relative to the sun, as if the light from the sun is coming from the sun, which is incredibly far away, and reflecting and refracting in the droplets of water to appear at highly specific angles to our eyes?

Why do shadows from the sun point away from the sun?

The evidence shows the light is coming from the sun.

every rainbow you see should be a solid disc. But if the sun is a backlit from another source, the sun is bright but only actually casts light around its edges.
So you just fundamentally fail to understand how a rainbow works.
Go take a solar filter, and look at the sun. You will see it isn't a ring light.

Or, wait until night, and then get a floodlight in a large open field, stand a decent distance away from it, but still in the light, facing away from the light, and spray water away from the light, and observe a rainbow from artificial light.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2023, 04:45:49 AM »



Double rainbow. Brightness is maybe maybe 20% brighter.

This is the sort of brightness you get by sticking a large metal object on a hook.



If you were to hang this in front of a window positioned so that the sun hit it from the back, you'd get a dim circle of light every sunrise and sunset, and an intense ring around the edge of the backlit metal.

We had a birdhouse that I had to move because it was reflecting intense light at my eyes. Reflected and backlit light can be intense. But it is at best only a percent of the sort of light that is behind the object, or around its edge.

Do you see a solid rainbow? No. You see slight increase in brightness towards the center, but a far more visible rainbow.

I do mean there is no light in the center, but even in your bad picture there, it's significantly less than at the edge.

As for the other, the shadow describes a straight line... because it is a straight line.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #114 on: April 16, 2023, 05:04:51 AM »



We had a birdhouse that I had to move because it was reflecting intense light at my eyes.

Want to actually address what’s been posted instead of trying to derail a thread…





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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #115 on: April 16, 2023, 05:15:53 AM »
Double rainbow. Brightness is maybe maybe 20% brighter.
Again, rainbows are well known and well understood phenomenon. They don't help your case.

They don't help explain why the sun casts light upwards.

We can use a solar filter and directly observe the sun, seeing that it is not some magic like you want to pretend, or indirectly illuminated.
We can see that shadows, caused by blocking the light of the sun, are pointed away from the sun.

So again, how does the sun, being above the clouds, illuminate the clouds from below, casting light and shadows upwards?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2023, 02:14:26 AM »
You just answered your own question.

Shadows point away from the sun.

So if the sun points light at an angle from above, behind a mountain, those shadows point straight up. You insist on this narrative even after literally watching a movie where someone demonstrated that no, the shadow of a mountain could be done using a box, and light from outside.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2023, 03:04:03 AM »


So like, you know how the guy (it doesn't MATTER what his name is) in Egypt saw those shadows and concluded the Earth must be round?


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2023, 04:15:33 AM »
 "There must be something wrong, that's a straight line."

 No there's nothing wrong. Regardless of the sun's shape or the Earth's shape the shadow of a straight line is a straight line. What were you expecting?
Or was that orange thing not drawn there and actually placed? Because it looks like he drew it on.

More importantly, where is there a curved line? If the sun is a sphere, it should be giving light in a curved line, right? If the flat ground we see below us is really curved ground, we should see some kind of shadow telling us exactly that. Only a roundhead would see a shadow going straight and convince themselves it's proof things are round.

There must be something wrong, huh? That's a straight line.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2023, 05:22:35 AM »

 "There must be something wrong, that's a straight line."

 No there's nothing wrong.

It is if you think the sun stays in a flat plane above the earth.  Not changing its altitude above the earth.


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Regardless of the sun's shape or the Earth's shape the shadow of a straight line is a straight line. What were you expecting?


For a sun in a flat plane holding a constant altitude above the earth.





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