Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

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Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« on: March 16, 2023, 03:49:41 PM »
The last photo was at 7:47 am.

The actual sunrise time was 8:00 am.

The brightest spot in each photo was a shaft of light.  Not the actual sun as it was still below the horizon.

Tha shaft of light radiating up from the sun below the horizon was seen in real time.  It’s not from my lens nor cellphone case. 

From the way the clouds are illuminated bottom up.  To the way the lower clouds cast shadows upward.  Just don’t get how a sunrise as seen is a product of FE.  It shows the reality of spherical earth.











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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2023, 04:09:50 PM »
That's not even how it works assuming the earth is round. Do you think the sun is somehow traveling below the clouds? The light is shining through the clouds; this is an optical illusion.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2023, 06:42:34 PM »

From the way the clouds are illuminated bottom up.  To the way the lower clouds cast shadows upward.  Just don’t get how a sunrise as seen is a product of FE.  It shows the reality of spherical earth.




You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.










In particular, take note of Proofs 1 & 4. You can actually see a flag sitting atop a hill from a car across the road from a mountain, but the closer you get to the base, the less you can see it. Theoretically, as you get towards the top of the mountain, you should see the flag again.  But in actuality, on the side of a hill on an uphill climb, you get a distance of vision well below the supposed 3 mile distance of the curvature.

Lastly, objects in space, such as the moon? They appear to reposition based on slope, direction, and altitude. Not distance. Within the same time zone, even if you could drive at the speed of light, the sun would be in the same position in the same hour as if going under 20 mph.  Driving in a straight line does not affect the position of the sun or moon, regardless of speed. But if you were to go down a hill, or turn a corner, the position of the sun changes. This is not consistent with the curvature. Every 3 miles, the sun/moon should slightly change. So after 60 miles, shouldn't the sun have adjusted 20 degrees or something? When actually, within the same timezone (yes, I am aware timezones are a construct, but more or less) the sun would not noticeably appear to shift even at light speed short of moving several timezones.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2023, 09:19:56 PM »
That's not even how it works assuming the earth is round. Do you think the sun is somehow traveling below the clouds? The light is shining through the clouds; this is an optical illusion.
Yes, that is exactly what is going on. The sun is illuminating the clouds from below.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2023, 11:38:41 PM »
You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.




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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2023, 11:57:49 PM »
You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.




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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2023, 01:02:14 AM »
You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.
You mean the inability of your theory?
If so, you don't have a theory. All you have is a pile of nonsense.
You can't explain what magic is causing the sun to illuminate the clouds from below.

Drawing a bunch of lines on a photo doesn't magically explain it.

We can clearly see the clouds above, so that delusional BS doesn't help you.
You need to explain what magic causes the light from the sun to approach the clouds from below rather than from above.

Spamming the refuted BS from your signature wont help either.

You don't have an explanation for what is causing your parabola. If it was the light magically breaking down, then we would expect the same distance regardless of altitude.
Or if anything, the distance should shrink with altitude as light needs to travel further after bouncing off the ground to reach your eyes.

It has also been explained to you repeatedly why proof 3 is pure BS.
With a round Earth (i.e. reality), the distance to the horizon depends upon your altitude.
If Earth was perfectly spherical (or even just a smooth surface with positive curvature everywhere), then the horizon is the point where a line from you eye is tangent to Earth.
The higher you are, the further away it is.

You have also been provided images to show that, like this one here:

Three observers at the red line, indicated by their line of sight to the horizon.
The blue one is the lowest, with the closest horizon.
The maroon is the highest, with the furthest horizon.

Now stop repeating the same lies.
Seeing further as you get higher is exactly what you would expect on a round Earth.

And as clearly demonstrated in the other thread, the sun and moon are quite strong evidence that Earth is round.

Now instead of this pathetic deflection, why don't you try to explain why the sun is illuminated from below.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2023, 02:43:43 AM »

You just don't get it,

That you look stupid, delusional, a troll?  Or easily triggered?

Anyway.



The shadows of the lower clouds show the sun is relatively below the horizon.

You only get the shadows casting upward if the sun is relatively below them because of a rotating earth. 


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2023, 02:49:11 AM »


You just don't get it,


What was you answer to this repeated posting of mine?

Hello.  There is no parabola.  It’s been debunked repeatedly.

Wrong.

Parabola theory says that objects only appear to curve,

How are these two different sets of towers parallel on the horizon?





With no sign /indication of these distortions:


https://www.vision-doctor.com/en/optical-errors/distortion.html

In your parabola delusion where the “lensing” effect has to be powerful enough to hide the sun at sunset on the flat earth fantasy?


How would laser range finders be accurate in that your parabola delusion is actually distorting the media the laser travels through?
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2023, 06:00:53 AM »
You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.





Hahahahaha!!!

Okay teacher, I'll be sure to control my scribbling next time.



You just don't get it,


What was you answer to this repeated posting of mine?

Hello.  There is no parabola.  It’s been debunked repeatedly.

Wrong.

Parabola theory says that objects only appear to curve,

How are these two different sets of towers parallel on the horizon?





With no sign /indication of these distortions:


https://www.vision-doctor.com/en/optical-errors/distortion.html

In your parabola delusion where the “lensing” effect has to be powerful enough to hide the sun at sunset on the flat earth fantasy?


How would laser range finders be accurate in that your parabola delusion is actually distorting the media the laser travels through?


It has been "debunked" repeatedly.

Gee whiz, you say you've debunked it, so you must have debunked it.

If there is distortion, it is your own eyes (and brain) that are doing it.

Perception, perception, perception!

You can clearly see what the sky is doing.

You clearly see that the ground beneath your feet is not round but disc shaped. Standing on a sidewalk looking at a set of towers at the  horizon, you can tell from the first picture...
1. The horizon is, and has always been flat
2. No matter how paralell to objects are, the longest distances are directly ahead, and to the side, with objects at diagonal appearing closer due to a taper effect.
3. There is no downward taper, only the horizon
4. For instance, in the first picture the tower on the right appears slightly closer, probably because viewer was just a few feet closer or angled the camera wrong (if that's you, you need to work on your craft)
5. In the second picture, the left tower appear larger.

You can scream all you want about how it has been debunked, but it has never been debunked, and never will,  by you anyway.

And for the record I have never seen thwse distortions outside photography. The distortions that human eyes pick up are distortions of size (why two towers that are parallel don't always appear so), distortions of vanishing point (wait here while I walk away from you), sloped vision distortion (described in figure 4, where a hill progressively behaves as a wall, even though near the top, you should able to see over the arc of the hill, the opposite is true), and the arc motion distortion (why the sun appears to set like it does).

Your distortions don't work. You can see distant trees shrink rather than bending.

Get your eyes checked. Even without my glasses, I can tell these distortions are not part of my view of the parabola. Stop blaming me for your inability to see objects correctly.

The ground appears disc shaped, and the sky appears done shaped from every location on Earth, short of video doctoring. You haven't debunked anything.

Laser finders can point at any direction without the light bending. Are there optical illusions? Yes. Are objects how the look in the illusion? No. So when you see the sun dip, and you're tempted to think it's a distant orb, just remember that some people in the desert think the sun goes into a pool.

Actually the sun never descends at all. The angle you view it from gets lower and lower, because it's a longer and longer view.
Go up and hug a tree. Angle to top 90 degrees.
Social distance it. 80 degrees.
Step twenty feet back. Maybe 60 or 70 degrees.
Football field away. Probably about 30 degrees?

The sun is overhead. But your eyes think it's below you.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2023, 06:17:42 AM by bulmabriefs144 »
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2023, 07:52:14 AM »
The sun is overhead. But your eyes think it's below you.
Aaah, I finally figured out the problem. You see, I do my thinking with my brain :)

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2023, 09:27:21 AM »
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Gee whiz, you say you've debunked it, so you must have debunked it.

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As in there is no evidence of your delusion.

Anyway..

This picture?



Where at the circle the items are placed to the left of each other.  They are not in a straight line.

With not even the same effect as this.





https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1321414042599202816


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain



Where there is no increasing blocking of the bases of the Lego towers as seen in the lake Pontchartrain towers.

Where if there was a parabola power enough to make an effect by  lensing.

These towers





Should show distortion as the building in this photo.



While you can’t answer if the earth isn’t spherical, how the clouds are physically illuminated bottom up.  And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2023, 09:48:45 AM »

Gee whiz,

Another thread you have to run away from the context of the opening post.  And lose your mind when shown there is no evidence of your delusional parabola. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2023, 11:10:02 AM »




Is due to a dishonest representation.

Along a straightedge…




Now with purposefully shifting the end to the left…








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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2023, 11:25:08 AM »
You just don't get it, so it must be about the inability of the theory, and not your own ignorance.





Hahahahaha!!!

Okay teacher, I'll be sure to control my scribbling next time.

Just here to help...


The sun is overhead. But your eyes think it's below you.

I'm afraid you've been duped again by your desire to knee-jerk find something that fits your incorrect narrative...



Notice #4. FEr's will apparently do anything to ram their narrative into reality. Even if it requires dishonesty. And you are a sheeple to it. Sad.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2023, 12:03:11 PM »

Notice #4. FEr's will apparently do anything to ram their narrative into reality. Even if it requires dishonesty. And you are a sheeple to it. Sad.

Sad what people like bulmabriefs144 don’t get.  Question all you want. But when you have to use blatant deception, it just makes you look like a troll. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2023, 02:14:09 PM »
You can clearly see what the sky is doing.
And it clearly isn't the magic you need.

You clearly see that the ground beneath your feet is not round but disc shaped.
Quite the opposite.
Due to the horizon, and how it behaves, we clearly see Earth is round.

The fact you need to invoke a magical delusional parabola to hide from Earth being round shows it quite likely is round.

If it was flat, you wouldn't need that nonsense.
If it was flat, you should be able to see to the edge.
Instead, we see a close horizon, which moves around as we do, and moves further away as we gain altitude.
Just like what we expect on a RE.

When an object reaches the horizon, it disappears from the bottom up.

3. There is no downward taper, only the horizon
Except in plenty of photos which show this downwards curve, showing Earth is curved.

Actually the sun never descends at all. The angle you view it from gets lower and lower, because it's a longer and longer view.
And more delusional BS.
Firstly, the angular size remains ~constant, meaning the distance remains ~constant.
So it isn't getting any further away.

But more importantly, this can NEVER have the sun illuminating an object from below.

The sun is overhead. But your eyes think it's below you.
The fact it is illuminating an object from below shows quite clearly that it is "below" that object.
It is not simply our eyes magically tricking us.

You have nothing supporting your parabola BS, and to pretend it works you need to repeatedly lie.
Truly pathetic.

Now explain how the light from the sun is going upwards.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2023, 04:55:09 AM »

Actually the sun never descends at all. The angle you view it from gets lower and lower, because it's a longer and longer view.


And as discussed and proven here…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0


A sun above a flat plane would never be physically blocked from view( as in the radiation physically blocked) by that flat plane if the viewer is also above the flat plane.


The issue isn’t gets “lower”.  The issue is the sun and its radiation becomes physically blocked by the curvature of the earth. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2023, 06:47:34 AM »
I'm playing Daggerfall Unity.

And they a number of patches to the game, but the one I am looking here is Dynamic Skies. When you download mod patch, they describe the sky as a dome.

You know what? That's kinda spot on.

You can turn in place. You can look straight up. And weather, sun, and moon are drawn according to code procedure, with variations in days where the sun is too cloudy or foggy (or snowy) to be seen.

The primary difference is that our dome has a flat horizon while theirs starts high in the top, tapers down at the center, and goes back up. That is it has the ability to dome pitch, identical to that barrel distortion you showed earlier. I chalk that up to bad programming. The God who made the heavens and the Earth knows how to do a distortion-free dome.

Well, that and they have one sun and two moons.




Actually the sun never descends at all. The angle you view it from gets lower and lower, because it's a longer and longer view.


And as discussed and proven here…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0


A sun above a flat plane would never be physically blocked from view( as in the radiation physically blocked) by that flat plane if the viewer is also above the flat plane.


The issue isn’t gets “lower”.  The issue is the sun and its radiation becomes physically blocked by the curvature of the earth. 


You assume radiation continues on forever. Is that true? Not according to the Department of Transportation.

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According to Today I Found Out, traffic lights have origins in the railroad systems of the 1800s. Train engineers needed a way to know when to stop their locomotives and when to slow down. Red was selected for stop since most people associate it with something potentially perilous or serious. (More importantly, red has the longest wavelength on the color spectrum and can be seen from greater distances, allowing operators to begin slowing down sooner.)

So the longer the wavelength, the farther it can be seen... Hmmmm. Almost like when something gives off yellow light goes outside the limits of its wavelength, it suddenly can't be seen...





Is due to a dishonest representation.

Along a straightedge…




Now with purposefully shifting the end to the left…







Yes, that was the point and you missed it. On the video, he shows us exactly how this distortion effect is created.

By purposefully shifting the end to the left.

Only he didn't do it by messing with the Legos (or here with with Crayola), but it by keeping camera low (to create artificial horizon), and turning or tilting the camera just so.

I saw the video, and I saw him demonstrate this.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2023, 07:00:48 AM »
I'm playing Daggerfall Unity.

And they a number of patches to the game, but the one I am looking here is Dynamic Skies. When you download mod patch, they describe the sky as a dome.

You know what? That's kinda spot on.

You can turn in place. You can look straight up. And weather, sun, and moon are drawn according to code procedure, with variations in days where the sun is too cloudy or foggy (or snowy) to be seen.

The primary difference is that our dome has a flat horizon while theirs starts high in the top, tapers down at the center, and goes back up. That is it has the ability to dome pitch, identical to that barrel distortion you showed earlier. I chalk that up to bad programming. The God who made the heavens and the Earth knows how to do a distortion-free dome.

Well, that and they have one sun and two moons.




Actually the sun never descends at all. The angle you view it from gets lower and lower, because it's a longer and longer view.


And as discussed and proven here…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0


A sun above a flat plane would never be physically blocked from view( as in the radiation physically blocked) by that flat plane if the viewer is also above the flat plane.


The issue isn’t gets “lower”.  The issue is the sun and its radiation becomes physically blocked by the curvature of the earth. 


You assume radiation continues on forever. Is that true? Not according to the Department of Transportation.

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So the longer the wavelength, the farther it can be seen... Hmmmm. Almost like when something gives off yellow light goes outside the limits of its wavelength, it suddenly can't be seen...





Is due to a dishonest representation.

Along a straightedge…




Now with purposefully shifting the end to the left…







Yes, that was the point and you missed it. On the video, he shows us exactly how this distortion effect is created.

By purposefully shifting the end to the left.

Only he didn't do it by messing with the Legos (or here with with Crayola), but it by keeping camera low (to create artificial horizon), and turning or tilting the camera just so.

I saw the video, and I saw him demonstrate this.

Your usually BS that ignores FE’s lie.

And has nothing to do about with the opening post.

Anyway.


You just don't get it,

That you look stupid, delusional, a troll?  Or easily triggered?

Anyway.



The shadows of the lower clouds show the sun is relatively below the horizon.

You only get the shadows casting upward if the sun is relatively below them because of a rotating earth. 

Sun rise under the clouds at FL280




Sad you don’t understand the way sunrises and sunsets work are impossible for FE.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2023, 07:14:59 AM »
The video in question involving the Legos. He showed us exactly how the camera was tilted. Which should be easy if you have a chopper taking the shot.



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And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤



Ohhh look, at around 7:49 to 7:51, you can see the source of light hitting the fan, and the fan is "setting". In other words, the sun isn't the the source of light in our Earth. This Light is hitting it, and causing the image of the sun to set.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2023, 07:16:46 AM »
The video in question.



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And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤



Dude.  At this point.  You’re nothing more than a troll with only delusion and BS as arguments. 

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2023, 12:23:33 PM »
The video in question involving the Legos. He showed us exactly how the camera was tilted. Which should be easy if you have a chopper taking the shot.



A little dishonesty goes along way...



Globe & Flat versus Observed. Globe prediction = correct observation. Flat prediction = incorrect observation:


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And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤






Ohhh look, at around 7:49 to 7:51, you can see the source of light hitting the fan, and the fan is "setting". In other words, the sun isn't the the source of light in our Earth. This Light is hitting it, and causing the image of the sun to set.



DITRHneeds to move his flashlight below the horizon line as observed. He failed to do so.




Scale matters...



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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2023, 01:28:47 PM »
I'm playing Daggerfall Unity.

And they a number of patches to the game, but the one I am looking here is Dynamic Skies. When you download mod patch, they describe the sky as a dome.
Where they have a flat surface, much like that of the ancient FE, which has more in common with the RE model than the FE models of today.

Everywhere has the same sky.
The sun sets by going below this flat map. Not by merely going far away.
If the sun sets, it sets for everyone.

The primary difference is that this only works for a small area.
As soon as you have a large area of Earth you need to explain why the sun has set in one location but is still visible in another.

So that doesn't help you at all.
So again, care to explain how the sunlight is being cast upwards?

You assume radiation continues on forever. Is that true? Not according to the Department of Transportation.
No, we correctly conclude that radiation will continue until it is absorbed or scattered/reflected/diffracted/refracted.
And this most certainly is true.

So the longer the wavelength, the farther it can be seen.
No, the longer the wavelength the less it is scattered so the more coherent it is.
And this requires an atmosphere to be scattering it.

Almost like when something gives off yellow light goes outside the limits of its wavelength, it suddenly can't be seen...
This is NOTHING like a sunset.
And no, it isn't sudden at all.
If you would like an example, go look at something during a very foggy day.
If something disappears from view due to this scattering, it fades to a blur until it is unable to be resolved.
It doesn't just suddenly disappear.

Yes, that was the point and you missed it. On the video, he shows us exactly how this distortion effect is created.
No, the point you miss is that they were blatantly lying to you.
The towers aren't turning to the left.
To fake that, they would have had to go and move the actual towers.

but it by keeping camera low (to create artificial horizon), and turning or tilting the camera just so.
There is no magical artificial horizon.
If you keep the camera low, then the horizon on a round surface will be closer.
Turning or tilting the camera will not magically shift the far towers to the left to magically make it appear to curve.

But thanks for once again showing your dishonesty.

The video in question involving the Legos. He showed us exactly how the camera was tilted. Which should be easy if you have a chopper taking the shot.
No, they didn't.
They did not take a straight line of towers and magically move the camera to make the far away ones appear to sink.
Your lying FEers took a curved line of towers, and showed it curved.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together.
No. Stop with the BS videos, and try explaining what magic causes the sun to shine upwards.

Ohhh look, at around 7:49 to 7:51, you can see the source of light hitting the fan, and the fan is "setting". In other words, the sun isn't the the source of light in our Earth. This Light is hitting it, and causing the image of the sun to set.
You have appealed to this magic before, and been entirely incapable of explaining it.
Just what magic is projecting the sun.
What magic are they projecting it onto?
And why does everyone get their own magical sun projection?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2023, 05:45:20 AM »
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Dude.  At this point.  You’re nothing more than a troll with only delusion and BS as arguments.

I think that's Jack Black's line.

The video in question involving the Legos. He showed us exactly how the camera was tilted. Which should be easy if you have a chopper taking the shot.



A little dishonesty goes along way...

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And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤



Ohhh look, at around 7:49 to 7:51, you can see the source of light hitting the fan, and the fan is "setting". In other words, the sun isn't the the source of light in our Earth. This Light is hitting it, and causing the image of the sun to set.

(And then you start doing picture spam, and I start thinking you're trying to hypnotize me)


Yes the intellectual dishonesty goes a long way. It's just as easy to doctor video shots as stills. However, I can see outside my window. There is a gap where I can't see due to perspective (is that curvature? No like its inverse, vanishing point, this is where angles make things impossible), then I see trees and the middle of our yard, a fence (huh, funny, the fence doesn't curve like that!), a road, a field, phone poles, and a forest. Trees off in the distance, and none of them bend like that. Doctored shots.

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Globe & Flat versus Observed. Globe prediction = correct observation. Flat prediction = incorrect observation:


Try heavily doctored photos. It's easy to  declare something correct when when you curve a bunch of photos and then have the gall to say of something filmed live (not stop-motion) that they faked it. Okay maybe they faked it. Deliberately. To show you that you've been faking these pictures all along. Using Photoshop to move this out of place of bend that. "Observed." Lemme see if I can show you what I observe. Hold on...

But reality is, I can take a shot, and if Discord works on my Kindle, post it to Discord. This is literally the view out my window.



So no matter what pictures you show, it's not the truth. Nice try, though.

Why would he "move his flashlight below the horizon line"? You're missing the point. The sun's light comes at a level line. The sun near goes into the horizon where it suddenly shrinks as you want it to do. Because at no point during its  set, does it shrink. It appears to dip. But that's not the point. The point is, the video has satisfied one of the conditions, but the sky isn't just right for the sun to show up, so you're gonna ignore the results and pretend like you didn't just see the exact upright shadow that you asked for.

You think the sun goes down even though you literally can see the shadow of the fan "setting". The sun doesn't go down like a flashlight tilt, it... never mind, look just rewatch the video paying attention to the fan. This is what glare does. We have an object that casts glare at certain times of day, and we call it the sun. I have seen this exact effect, with metal objects placed near our window (Mom likes birdhouses) I typically have to move the object in question because the glare is as bright as the sun. Had he made some kind of perfect model of the sky, the light would hit some object perfectly and create glare just so, but it seems to me your shadow thing has been shown, and instead of admitting like a man that it is possible with a flat Earth, you've decided to pick at what the model didn't do, and nitpick about the position of the flashlight, hoping he'll help you with your "disproof". When you have to change a model to make it not work, you're pretty desperate. The light of the flashlight isn't the sun. The sun is a projected light (like a coin hung somewhere in the path of the flashlight).
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If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2023, 09:28:24 AM »
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Dude.  At this point.  You’re nothing more than a troll with only delusion and BS as arguments.

I think that's Jack Black's line.

The video in question involving the Legos. He showed us exactly how the camera was tilted. Which should be easy if you have a chopper taking the shot.



A little dishonesty goes along way...

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And how the shadow of this cloud is being cast upwards.

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤



Ohhh look, at around 7:49 to 7:51, you can see the source of light hitting the fan, and the fan is "setting". In other words, the sun isn't the the source of light in our Earth. This Light is hitting it, and causing the image of the sun to set.

(And then you start doing picture spam, and I start thinking you're trying to hypnotize me)


Yes the intellectual dishonesty goes a long way. It's just as easy to doctor video shots as stills. However, I can see outside my window. There is a gap where I can't see due to perspective (is that curvature? No like its inverse, vanishing point, this is where angles make things impossible), then I see trees and the middle of our yard, a fence (huh, funny, the fence doesn't curve like that!), a road, a field, phone poles, and a forest. Trees off in the distance, and none of them bend like that. Doctored shots.

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Globe & Flat versus Observed. Globe prediction = correct observation. Flat prediction = incorrect observation:


Try heavily doctored photos. It's easy to  declare something correct when when you curve a bunch of photos and then have the gall to say of something filmed live (not stop-motion) that they faked it. Okay maybe they faked it. Deliberately. To show you that you've been faking these pictures all along. Using Photoshop to move this out of place of bend that. "Observed." Lemme see if I can show you what I observe. Hold on...

But reality is, I can take a shot, and if Discord works on my Kindle, post it to Discord. This is literally the view out my window.



So no matter what pictures you show, it's not the truth. Nice try, though.

Why would he "move his flashlight below the horizon line"? You're missing the point. The sun's light comes at a level line. The sun near goes into the horizon where it suddenly shrinks as you want it to do. Because at no point during its  set, does it shrink. It appears to dip. But that's not the point. The point is, the video has satisfied one of the conditions, but the sky isn't just right for the sun to show up, so you're gonna ignore the results and pretend like you didn't just see the exact upright shadow that you asked for.

You think the sun goes down even though you literally can see the shadow of the fan "setting". The sun doesn't go down like a flashlight tilt, it... never mind, look just rewatch the video paying attention to the fan. This is what glare does. We have an object that casts glare at certain times of day, and we call it the sun. I have seen this exact effect, with metal objects placed near our window (Mom likes birdhouses) I typically have to move the object in question because the glare is as bright as the sun. Had he made some kind of perfect model of the sky, the light would hit some object perfectly and create glare just so, but it seems to me your shadow thing has been shown, and instead of admitting like a man that it is possible with a flat Earth, you've decided to pick at what the model didn't do, and nitpick about the position of the flashlight, hoping he'll help you with your "disproof". When you have to change a model to make it not work, you're pretty desperate. The light of the flashlight isn't the sun. The sun is a projected light (like a coin hung somewhere in the path of the flashlight).

So your entire arguement boils down to 'I don't understand scale'.
Of course you don't see the curvature when you look at your own back yard, because over such short distances is tiny. If you know some basic math you can calculate that easily, but even if not, there are many tools online. Being very, very generous and assuming your yard is 1km long, you would expect to see 8cm of curvature. If you confidently claim that you would be able to see that with your own eyes, then I call BS on that.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2023, 10:05:28 AM »

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤


Meanwhile.

Another impossible flat earth sunrise you have to ignore. Run away like a coward.  You have no explanation, you change the subject from the opening post, lie, use BS, and go into delusion rants, and try to derail another thread…







Clouds illuminated bottom up before sunrise is a property of spherical earth.  Not explained by FE without lies, BS, delusion



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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2023, 01:56:33 PM »
Yes the intellectual dishonesty goes a long way. It's just as easy to doctor video shots as stills.
It is actually harder to doctor videos.
That is why we can see in the video the Lego is quite easily fake.
While in the still image of it your provided it isn't as clear.

However, I can see outside my window. There is a gap where I can't see due to perspective (is that curvature? No like its inverse, vanishing point, this is where angles make things impossible)
Just what do you mean by that?
Do you mean where your wall blocks the view, just like the curve of Earth blocks the view?

Why don't you try to draw a picture of this (side on)?

none of them bend like that.
Bend like what?

Try heavily doctored photos.
Try you are just rejecting reality because you don't like it.

There are countless examples. It all comes back to why things appear to sink as they go over the horizon and disappear from the bottom up.
This is seen time and time again, and FEers have no explanation for it.

But reality is, I can take a shot, and if Discord works on my Kindle, post it to Discord. This is literally the view out my window.
Over a tiny distance, where the effects of curvature are negligible.
So pathetic try.

You not liking reality doesn't make it not reality.

Why would he "move his flashlight below the horizon line"?
Because the sun was below the horizon in that photo.

You're missing the point. The sun's light comes at a level line.
Which would also be impossible for your FE fantasy.
If the sun is above, the light from the sun should be coming down.

The sun near goes into the horizon where it suddenly shrinks as you want it to do. Because at no point during its  set, does it shrink. It appears to dip.
And now you outright contradict yourself.
First you claim it suddenly shrinks, but then you claim it doesn't.
In reality, if you exclude glare, the sun's angular size remains fairly constant, and it drops below the horizon, vanishing from the bottom up.
Another impossibility of the FE.

But that's not the point. The point is, the video has satisfied one of the conditions, but the sky isn't just right for the sun to show up, so you're gonna ignore the results and pretend like you didn't just see the exact upright shadow that you asked for.
It really hasn't.
There are many faults, some of which were pointed out in the comment, and some they pretended to address.

The biggest issue is the ratio of the height to the distance.
They make the sun so far away, it would be completely off your flat fantasy.

Another big issue is they have the clouds being opaque rather than transparent and solid, and touching the mountain.

And they use a small light to model for the sun, instead of a light that would be larger than the mountain.
All of these issues affect the result.

You think the sun goes down
No, we think Earth rotates. But from our vantage point this creates the appearance of the sun going down.
Observing how the angular size remains roughly constant, this means the distance is roughly constant, so the only way for it to appear to sink is for that relative motion to actually be occurring.

even though you literally can see the shadow of the fan "setting".
No, we don't.
We see it appear quite wide and high with the flashlight close, and as the flashlight moved further away the shadow shrunk, but it didn't set.
Nothing like how the sun behaves and nothing like how shadows cast by the sun behave.

rewatch the video paying attention to the fan. This is what glare does. We have an object that casts glare at certain times of day, and we call it the sun. I have seen this exact effect, with metal objects placed near our window (Mom likes birdhouses) I typically have to move the object in question because the glare is as bright as the sun.
Glare isn't magically caused by some object.
What you are appealing to is an object that reflects the sun.

And glare can be caused by any light source.

When you have to change a model to make it not work, you're pretty desperate.
When you have to blatantly misrepresent the model to pretend it works, you're pretty desperate.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2023, 05:59:51 AM »

Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤


Meanwhile.

Another impossible flat earth sunrise you have to ignore. Run away like a coward.  You have no explanation, you change the subject from the opening post, lie, use BS, and go into delusion rants, and try to derail another thread…







Clouds illuminated bottom up before sunrise is a property of spherical earth.  Not explained by FE without lies, BS, delusion

Those are pretty pictures. However, they all have one thing in common. You can draw a straight line across the horizon.

That is possible when the Earth is flat.

You saw the barrel distortion in Daggerfall.  You know what  a fantasy world with two moons and an oddly curved sky looks like.

As for your assertion that light can't bounce off and create light reflections, of course it can. It does so all the time!





The second picture is particularly telling as it shows what is  really happening. Were the ground as transparent as the water, we would see clouds from the sky as a flat image, while clouds appear looking at the sky as a sloped image. Light from a distant sun hits the clouds and brightens them, and the clouds are lit upward. Btw, this is impossible from a round Earth with a distant sun. The sun is too high, and could not possibly appear below the clouds.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2023, 06:19:18 AM »


Gibberish.
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