Christianity and the concept of alien life in the universe

Christianity is not tolerant of the idea that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. When the Torah, Bible and Quran were written, the idea that Earth was a spinning rock in a solar system orbiting a star with its own orbit in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars in a universe of trillions of galaxies and octillions of worlds was not known

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago. Alien life is incompatible with the Christian theology and its discovery would pose quite an uncomfortable challenge for it given biblical teachings state quite clearly that Gods creation only exists here - on Earth

Well the world view of people at that time would have been that Earth was it. The whole universe. Only our star and only our planet.

Well we know better now.

I don't put limits on God.

You're trying to say that God doesn't exist because aliens exist. Besides from this being an obvious fallacy. We don't actually know if aliens exist. It's just a lot of mental masturbation from people who watch too many movies.

Well then you're not Christian. (well I never believed your religious schtick anyway). Call yourself agnostic like most people do then. The fallacy belongs to religious doctrine. It is that which says aliens do not exist. Not the science minded who adapt with increasing knowledge and awareness. Religion forever tries to cling to an ignorant past

Imagine being this mad.

I was about to ask if you deliberately misinterpreted that but then I remembered you're a machine.

I don't think God has limits.

Shifter is trying to say that because Aliens (may or may not) exist then God isn't real.

It's the laziest argument I've seen in years.

We haven't got out of low earth orbit since the 60s and everyone acts like we are about to conquer the stars.

Before you start talking about AI supremacy, how AI will conquer the stars while humans go extinct.

Have you played Halo?
You can play the originals with a mouse and keyboard now.
It's a great series of games.
Do you know what "the flood" is?






It's (you).

No. I am not saying that God isn't real because aliens. You fail reading comprehension again. I said Christians dont believe in aliens because it ruins their doctrine on what God is. If aliens were found to be true - the Abrahamic faith would need a serious re write. I'm sure they'll manage. It's either that or fade away into oblivion

If there is a God or creator, I personally dont believe mere men and the doctrines we invented thousands of years ago are on the money. Religion thousands of years ago was nothing more than a different flavour of politics

I am personally agnostic and do not subscribe to any religion. And even if just because there was a creator of a universe, that says nothing about there needing to have an 'after life', heaven of hell. It says nothing about a creator being omnipotent or omniscient.

Imagine being this mad.

Imagine being this retarded lol

Nothing to say then? Clearly you are just trolling as usual.

Imagine being this mad.

These Christians are embracing alien life!

These Christians are embracing alien life!

Aliens or demons?

That's so creepy.

Goodnight Shifter, my robot friend.

Night Mom, my irl Mum came over for dinner tonight. She's very eccentric but I do love her.

I guess I'm pretty eccentric myself.

Goodnight D1! Hope you had a nice dinner with your mom.

Isn't that the Purple Meanie from Yellow Submarine?

OMG, it is! lol

Traditional Christianity rejects the idea of extraterrestrial intelligent life because Christ did not die for them but only for his believers, who would be here on Earth.  Judaism might accept extraterrestrials because the only requirement is a belief in a single Supreme Being, or, in the absence of a belief, an adherence to some rules of basic civilization (the Noahide laws).  Islam requires a confession of faith not only to a Supreme Being but also to their Prophet, so maybe not Islam. Unitarians would probably accept them without any qualification.

False. Mormonism, the true Christian religion, is based on Jesus being an alien.

Christianity is not tolerant of the idea that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. When the Torah, Bible and Quran were written, the idea that Earth was a spinning rock in a solar system orbiting a star with its own orbit in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars in a universe of trillions of galaxies and octillions of worlds was not known

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago. Alien life is incompatible with the Christian theology and its discovery would pose quite an uncomfortable challenge for it given biblical teachings state quite clearly that Gods creation only exists here - on Earth

Well the world view of people at that time would have been that Earth was it. The whole universe. Only our star and only our planet.

Well we know better now.

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 06:00:30 AM

I don't put limits on God.

You're trying to say that God doesn't exist because aliens exist. Besides from this being an obvious fallacy. We don't actually know if aliens exist. It's just a lot of mental masturbation from people who watch too many movies.

Well then you're not Christian. (well I never believed your religious schtick anyway). Call yourself agnostic like most people do then. The fallacy belongs to religious doctrine. It is that which says aliens do not exist. Not the science minded who adapt with increasing knowledge and awareness. Religion forever tries to cling to an ignorant past

You "know". Actually, you've been propagandized by secular scientists who know better, they tell you. But have you been outside of Earth? You personally?

Then you don't know.

A loving God would make other worlds and other creatures, if he wished to do so. He would even die for other intelligent life.

But this isn't really about that. It's about creating a dichotomy between what "all" religion believes and what MODERN science believes. This trick is not new. They've been telling us for years that science is making religion obsolete. But empirical data is no closer to finding answers about God than when it started. Same scam, but the evidence doesn't hold up any better.

Are there aliens? I doubt it. Have we proved NASA actually went to outer space? No, but we can prove that if they didn't, they're embezzling an awful lot of money. Given what we know of human nature, this seems more plausible.

Quote from: Wolvaccine on January 11, 2023, 06:27:42 AM

Christianity is not tolerant of the idea that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. When the Torah, Bible and Quran were written, the idea that Earth was a spinning rock in a solar system orbiting a star with its own orbit in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars in a universe of trillions of galaxies and octillions of worlds was not known

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago. Alien life is incompatible with the Christian theology and its discovery would pose quite an uncomfortable challenge for it given biblical teachings state quite clearly that Gods creation only exists here - on Earth

Well the world view of people at that time would have been that Earth was it. The whole universe. Only our star and only our planet.

Well we know better now.

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 06:00:30 AM

I don't put limits on God.

You're trying to say that God doesn't exist because aliens exist. Besides from this being an obvious fallacy. We don't actually know if aliens exist. It's just a lot of mental masturbation from people who watch too many movies.

Well then you're not Christian. (well I never believed your religious schtick anyway). Call yourself agnostic like most people do then. The fallacy belongs to religious doctrine. It is that which says aliens do not exist. Not the science minded who adapt with increasing knowledge and awareness. Religion forever tries to cling to an ignorant past

You "know". Actually, you've been propagandized by secular scientists who know better, they tell you. But have you been outside of Earth? You personally?

Then you don't know.

No one gives an F for your trolling, timmy.

If you haven't seen something, and someone in a lab coat shows you pictures, you automatically know the pictures are real?
What is wrong with your brain?

So if I wear a lab coat, and tell you that in deepest Australia there are winged cows, and show you this, you'll believe it?


I'm being perfectly serious. What is wrong with your brain?



You haven't been to outer space. How then can you confirm any picture of outer space is real?

Quote from: Wolvaccine on January 11, 2023, 06:27:42 AM

Christianity is not tolerant of the idea that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. When the Torah, Bible and Quran were written, the idea that Earth was a spinning rock in a solar system orbiting a star with its own orbit in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars in a universe of trillions of galaxies and octillions of worlds was not known

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago. Alien life is incompatible with the Christian theology and its discovery would pose quite an uncomfortable challenge for it given biblical teachings state quite clearly that Gods creation only exists here - on Earth

Well the world view of people at that time would have been that Earth was it. The whole universe. Only our star and only our planet.

Well we know better now.

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 06:00:30 AM

I don't put limits on God.

You're trying to say that God doesn't exist because aliens exist. Besides from this being an obvious fallacy. We don't actually know if aliens exist. It's just a lot of mental masturbation from people who watch too many movies.

Well then you're not Christian. (well I never believed your religious schtick anyway). Call yourself agnostic like most people do then. The fallacy belongs to religious doctrine. It is that which says aliens do not exist. Not the science minded who adapt with increasing knowledge and awareness. Religion forever tries to cling to an ignorant past

You "know". Actually, you've been propagandized by secular scientists who know better, they tell you. But have you been outside of Earth? You personally?

Then you don't know.

A loving God would make other worlds and other creatures, if he wished to do so. He would even die for other intelligent life.

But this isn't really about that. It's about creating a dichotomy between what "all" religion believes and what MODERN science believes. This trick is not new. They've been telling us for years that science is making religion obsolete. But empirical data is no closer to finding answers about God than when it started. Same scam, but the evidence doesn't hold up any better.

Are there aliens? I doubt it. Have we proved NASA actually went to outer space? No, but we can prove that if they didn't, they're embezzling an awful lot of money. Given what we know of human nature, this seems more plausible.

To add to this, the reason this idea persists is because people think that religion was the science of the day. That it's some sort of backwards version of science that's superstition.

No, religion and science were alot closer back then, but they are not the same thing. This was an era where military commanders would seek guidance from oracles. But there were definite science and definite religion.

Religion is tied to philosophy. Science is tied to math.

This would be like painting an artwork, and having a math teacher tell you that the Nautilus shell isn't according to Fibonacci ratio. That's great and all, but it's a pretty picture first of all.
Bachelor of Science and Bachelor of Art dispute. Two different disciples. Science asks why the sky is blue or why magnets work. Religion asks what is my purpose, and is there life after death? They aren't rival theories!

Yawn. Totally nothing to do with the topic. Just the rambling of a witless moron with a single digit IQ. Whatevs

A loving God would make other worlds and other creatures, if he wished to do so. He would even die for other intelligent life.

Why pre-suppose a god is loving?

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago.

For followers of the more fundamental interpretations of scripture, then maybe.  However, I have no problem believing that if God can create life on earth, then there isn't any reason that He couldn't create life elsewhere in the universe.  Whether or not we will ever find conclusive evidence of that extraterrestrial life is a different matter.

Quote from: Wolvaccine on January 11, 2023, 06:27:42 AM

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago.

For followers of the more fundamental interpretations of scripture, then maybe.  However, I have no problem believing that if God can create life on earth, then there isn't any reason that He couldn't create life elsewhere in the universe.  Whether or not we will ever find conclusive evidence of that extraterrestrial life is a different matter.

Atheist myself, but I don’t see why it should be much of problem.

It would be interesting if for instance we discovered even simple life on Europa or something.  A lot of fundamentalists would probably loose their shit.

Quote from: markjo on March 01, 2023, 03:50:25 PM

Quote from: Wolvaccine on January 11, 2023, 06:27:42 AM

Christians these days still cling to the world view of men thousands of years ago.

For followers of the more fundamental interpretations of scripture, then maybe.  However, I have no problem believing that if God can create life on earth, then there isn't any reason that He couldn't create life elsewhere in the universe.  Whether or not we will ever find conclusive evidence of that extraterrestrial life is a different matter.

Atheist myself, but I don’t see why it should be much of problem.

It would be interesting if for instance we discovered even simple life on Europa or something.  A lot of fundamentalists would probably loose their shit.

At a minimum, life discovered off-planet would rock the "We are superior, we are "The One"" crew. If it were just a microbe, they would probably still claim the same, but it would certainly shake up these"we are the chosen" folks. The fundies would have to rearrange and conjure up a lot of stuff to explain away such a discovery. I wonder how the "we walked with dinasurs" people would handle it. Cuz there's the fundies and then there's those jacked creationist fundies.

I'm one of the "there were no dinosaurs" ppl.

Also, you sound stupid. There's some models that say all life is from a meteor. Even if we accept that assumption, that it's on a meteor means that the world it come from was blown to bits, that it's a dead world.

(Yawn)

So, I'm supposed to be impressed by bacteria on a rock, so much so that I lose my shit over it. The sort of self-loathing required to hate humanity, who has reason and will, who knows how to love and make art, while most animals seem only able to procreate, to the point where think it's super-important that we discover life on rocks.

But we haven't even proven Mars footage to be anything beyond a hoax. Yes, I know that Newfoundland looks like Mars, but you can't just slap a red filter  on the Earth and sky, and expect me to believe you.

How then can I believe you when you say some space rock  has life on it? And how do we know it wasn't contaminated by airborne bacteria that are in the upper atmosphere? Or that God didn't send it to be fruitful and multiply?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/signs-of-extra-terrestrial-life-could-be-found-in-the-next-two-to-three-years-astronomers-claim/
https://www.nasa.gov/content/finding-life-beyond-earth-is-within-reach/

You see this? These are called teases. Two years have passed from the 2021 article, and no life was found.

https://www.livescience.com/alien-discoveries-2020.html
Note the rampant use of "could" and "might" in this article, e.g. The Milky Way could be filled with ocean life.
Then they close the article after telling us nothing real with "We should be open-minded..." When someone says that, what they really mean is, "You should think like we do, you should open your mind while we continue to have fixed assumptions." No thanks. You know, I'm actually okay with life on this Earth.

Oh this oughta be good, 10 Scientifically Possible Extraterrestrial Life-Forms. Oh I misread, I thought it said "scientifically proven." Probably the same clickbait.
No, it's worse. It's science fiction. It talks about methane and silicon-based life, or energy-based life. There a reason life came from carbon, it's because chemical reactions like digestion tend to revolve around only a few chemicals. The analogous chemicals that such a being would need to consume do not  exactly have the same chemical traits.
 That is, if we shift even one over to have a nitrogen lifeform, they would use as "sugar"  N₆He₁₂F₆. See the problem? Life is carbon-based. And despite all conjecture of life in meteors, that all mention of it actually happening turning to theories means it is not real.

I'm one of the "there were no dinosaurs" ppl.

Also, you sound stupid.

I'm not sure how you could say the first sentence and keep a straight face saying the second sentence

I stopped reading after that tbh

That you stop reading so easily is why you never learn anything.

You think dinosaurs are real because of this

and this

and this


If it were only silliness, sooner or later, you'd say "Santa isn't real, and neither are dinosaurs."

Actually Saint Nicholas was a real person. But he never went down any chimneys or had any encounters with elves.

But they make far more money than other hoaxes like pro-wrestling and Santa. One dinosaur fossil can be worth anything from around 20 dollars to as much as 30 million dollars, depending on popularity (trilobite fossils are closer to $20), rarity, and completeness.

The fakery of dinosaurs is an offshoot of carving bones into dragons.




"Dinosaur bones" are made with plaster of Paris, and an awful lot of collusion from the evolutionary committees.

https://redice.tv/news/dinosaurs-never-existed

A short practical example; a random dental bone is found at an excavation site and from this dental bone, the rest of the skeleton is guessed at. We are not kidding about this. The entire dinosaurian field of the paleontological program is a sham.

If you got one of my canines, would you then decide that I looked like this?

Because this is the level of guessing we're talking about. A single tooth, and you build a skeleton from that.
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Since we're done here, why not go back the the rest of what I wrote? Because I have proved you are stupid for believing that, maybe you can get some information.

There isn't anything a troll can teach me so not reading everything they write is of no consequence

I'm one of the "there were no dinosaurs" ppl.

Also, you sound stupid. There's some models that say all life is from a meteor. Even if we accept that assumption, that it's on a meteor means that the world it come from was blown to bits, that it's a dead world.

(Yawn)

So, I'm supposed to be impressed by bacteria on a rock, so much so that I lose my shit over it. The sort of self-loathing required to hate humanity, who has reason and will, who knows how to love and make art, while most animals seem only able to procreate, to the point where think it's super-important that we discover life on rocks.

But we haven't even proven Mars footage to be anything beyond a hoax. Yes, I know that Newfoundland looks like Mars, but you can't just slap a red filter  on the Earth and sky, and expect me to believe you.

How then can I believe you when you say some space rock  has life on it? And how do we know it wasn't contaminated by airborne bacteria that are in the upper atmosphere? Or that God didn't send it to be fruitful and multiply?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/signs-of-extra-terrestrial-life-could-be-found-in-the-next-two-to-three-years-astronomers-claim/
https://www.nasa.gov/content/finding-life-beyond-earth-is-within-reach/

You see this? These are called teases. Two years have passed from the 2021 article, and no life was found.

https://www.livescience.com/alien-discoveries-2020.html
Note the rampant use of "could" and "might" in this article, e.g. The Milky Way could be filled with ocean life.
Then they close the article after telling us nothing real with "We should be open-minded..." When someone says that, what they really mean is, "You should think like we do, you should open your mind while we continue to have fixed assumptions." No thanks. You know, I'm actually okay with life on this Earth.

Oh this oughta be good, 10 Scientifically Possible Extraterrestrial Life-Forms. Oh I misread, I thought it said "scientifically proven." Probably the same clickbait.
No, it's worse. It's science fiction. It talks about methane and silicon-based life, or energy-based life. There a reason life came from carbon, it's because chemical reactions like digestion tend to revolve around only a few chemicals. The analogous chemicals that such a being would need to consume do not  exactly have the same chemical traits.
 That is, if we shift even one over to have a nitrogen lifeform, they would use as "sugar"  N₆He₁₂F₆. See the problem? Life is carbon-based. And despite all conjecture of life in meteors, that all mention of it actually happening turning to theories means it is not real.

Haha.

No, you are excepted to call it a lie along with everything else already discovered in science.  You are expected to believe whatever random thoughts pop into head instead.

You don't believe in dinosaurs, and so what?   You apparently also don't believe in space, or that celestial objects are physical bodies.  If you deny space travel is possible, you obviously can't accept any results from any probe sent into space looking for signs of life.

And so your opinion on this and anything else related to science and new discoveries is absolutely irrelevant.  Have fun in your own personal version of reality, and try not to think too hard about the product of science and technology you are using right now. 

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 05, 2023, 04:28:36 AM

I'm one of the "there were no dinosaurs" ppl.

Also, you sound stupid.

I'm not sure how you could say the first sentence and keep a straight face saying the second sentence

I stopped reading after that tbh

Lol, exactly the same.  My irony meter exploded so I had to go shopping for a new one.