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Cardinal George Pell dead
« on: January 10, 2023, 08:02:22 PM »
So long and burn in hell you pedo protecting piece of shit

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/cardinal-george-pell-dies-vatican-aged-81/101843096

The catholic Church was nothing more than a pedo club. Moving known pedo priests around the country and protecting them. And this guy not only knew of it but facilitated it. Would rather have kids fucked up by dirty old men then report the crimes to authorities to protect the church from embarrassment

Well it all came out in the end and now he can burn in hell. (if there is one). My guess is he is simply maggot food. The new life after his death is that of the maggots feeding off his tubby corpse

Those maggots will be less disgusting than him




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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2023, 08:13:05 PM »
We all know this was his real crime.
https://www.jwire.com.au/cardinal-pell-on-the-jews/

Also.
I wouldn't worry about the punishment of actual pedophiles. God has something special in store for them.

It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2023, 08:18:11 PM »
Say.

This is kind of familiar.

Michael Jackson did nothing wrong.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8713104/michael-jackson-anti-semite-branded-jews-leeches/

I'd remind everyone this is a thread directly attacking the catholic church before anyone calls me an anti-semite.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2023, 08:42:29 PM »
The catholic church? I'd say it was innocent but the rot goes right to the top. And George Pell was not alone in covering it up

You would think the 'Confessional' would have been an opportunity to tell the abusers to come clean to the authorities if they want to repent for their crimes. Nope. Keep it a secret, go and say a few prayers and you have your 'get out if jail' card for free.

Instead, they moved them on to other schools or parishes to continue their vile abuse and destroy more children

I don't give a shit what Pell thinks of the Jews. The one thing religion has in common is intolerance. So it's of no surprise. His facilitation, protection and cover up of pedophiles are his crimes. To hell with him he goes

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2023, 08:45:21 PM »
The confessional is heresy.
Only Jesus, even The LORD, can forgive sins, certainly not men.

If he did hurt children you don't need to worry about where he will go.

Fire.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2023, 10:44:51 PM »
The confessional is heresy.
Only Jesus, even The LORD, can forgive sins, certainly not men.

Apparently not all christians believe that. For catholics, something in the bible about Jesus passing along the ability to forgive sins on behalf of the big guy. And then there's the whole original sin bit which I find confusing.

The real question is, how did Pell get acquitted?

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2023, 10:45:45 PM »
Yeah they are just wrong.

I assume a lack of evidence.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2023, 10:54:06 PM »
Yeah they are just wrong.

Or not. Anyone's guess really. Depends on who you ask I suppose.

I assume a lack of evidence.

Probably.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2023, 11:19:24 PM »
I mean you could always consult the Bible.
I've read it, you know.
Only God, The Holy Spirit, even Jesus has the power to forgive sins.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_having_the_authority_to_forgive_sins
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Re: Cardinal George Pell dead
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2023, 01:28:08 AM »

The problem with getting setting your moral compass to the bible (or any religious text), is it was written by scores of different people over what looks like a 1,500 year or so period, it encompasses a huge amount of very questionable lessons (incest, genocide), and I have met a plethora of people who have read the bible and have taken it on themselves to tell me what it means, and they rarely agree.

It is invariably filtered through your prejudice and existing world view, as can be seen by the things it has been used to support in the past (slavery for one), and the vast number of Christian/(others) denominations that base their cults teachings on it in opposition to the others, teasing out the bits that they like or their interpretations of them, and conveniently not noticing the bits that contradict what they glean from it or the bit about shellfish.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2023, 01:36:09 AM »
The Author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit.

The alternative is relying totally on your prejudice and existing world view.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2023, 01:41:57 AM »
I mean you could always consult the Bible.
I've read it, you know.
Only God, The Holy Spirit, even Jesus has the power to forgive sins.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_having_the_authority_to_forgive_sins

I'm pretty sure Catholics and Greek Orthodocs consult the bible too. Those cats apparently get their idea from John 20:20-23

20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”


This bit specifically: If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.

Just goes to show that within Christianity (All religions with books, for that matter) have different interpretations of the same words.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2023, 01:55:25 AM »
The confessional is heresy.
Only Jesus, even The LORD, can forgive sins, certainly not men.

Apparently not all christians believe that. For catholics, something in the bible about Jesus passing along the ability to forgive sins on behalf of the big guy. And then there's the whole original sin bit which I find confusing.

The real question is, how did Pell get acquitted?

He wasn't charged with covering up sexual abuse, he was charged with actual rape of 2 choir boys.

Now as much as I detested Pell, I found the allegation he raped the boys to be unbelievable on the balance of probability. It was apparently done right after a service when anyone could have just walked in. Also the robes that they wear are actually pretty damn heavy and priests actually need assistance when they put on or take off the robes.

But the allegations happened in the 'me too' era where it was not palatable to tell potential victims of sexual abuse they are essentially lying. So off to jail Pell went.

He was acquitted when he took the case to the High Court because the other jury/court did not take into account 'reasonable doubt'. The jury did not consider all the evidence that they were required to do. Pell, who ranked 3rd in the Vatican was a tempting scalp and so they got it

Pell certainty lied when he told everyone at the height of the scandal he had know idea that a priest he protected and moved on to another parish after complaints were made was a pedophile. It was later revealed he knew exactly who he was - and for that, the time he spent in jail was justified. His reputation forever tarnished and his plum job at the Vatican gone.

Deserved.


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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2023, 02:02:28 AM »
The Author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit.

The alternative is relying totally on your prejudice and existing world view.

Objectively full of shit.

Also, we live in the 21st century. We dont need to live by the regressive standards of the time these men wrote their political ideology dressed up as faith


If you want to look for prejudice, look no further than religion. Just borrow some old bastards prejudice from over 2000 years ago. A pity they had to be such homophobic and misogynistic pricks back then. We are still carrying these bullshit ideologies with us today thanks to the intolerance of people back then.

That's why Pell, a staunch religious conservative preached that gays were wrong and sinful and the women had no place being ministers and shit. The guy lived in the 20th and 21st century yet carried the same bullshit prejudices of thousands of years ago. That kind of society - doesn't work for today.

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2023, 02:16:14 AM »
I mean you could always consult the Bible.
I've read it, you know.
Only God, The Holy Spirit, even Jesus has the power to forgive sins.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_having_the_authority_to_forgive_sins

I'm pretty sure Catholics and Greek Orthodocs consult the bible too. Those cats apparently get their idea from John 20:20-23

20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”


This bit specifically: If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.

Just goes to show that within Christianity (All religions with books, for that matter) have different interpretations of the same words.

"Receive the Holy Spirit."

Yes.

The Holy Spirit, even Jesus can forgive sins.

Men cannot.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2023, 02:18:03 AM »
"Allegation"

Yes.

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2023, 02:21:31 AM »
The Author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit.

The alternative is relying totally on your prejudice and existing world view.


Doesn’t say that in the credits, and yes to interpret the world there is nothing you can do to but build on our vast archive of thought and wisdom and then run it through your life choices and try and decipher what does best for you, but widen and update that data base.

The bible is a cone of thought that narrows down to a specific cultural area and time in the middle east, that influenced, (mostly by  invasion and conquest) those that colonized your neck of the woods and the people that did it, and the book is sufficiently contradictory and vague, its past and current adherents necessarily accomplished at ignoring its central tenants, as to be questionable as the leading source of morality, especially when you are putting yourself forward as its explainer over all the other billions that have read it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2023, 02:29:30 AM »
Sure it does.

Despite your gifts, you are not more intelligent than the creator of the universe.

Did you know Satan was His most beautiful creation? What is anyone without Him?

Dust and ashes.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2023, 02:31:43 AM »
Sure it does.

Despite your gifts, you are not more intelligent than the creator of the universe.




I am, because I don't think there is one.
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2023, 02:33:59 AM »
You think you are His most beautiful creation?

Have you met my friend Michael?
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2023, 02:39:53 AM »
You think you are His most beautiful creation?



Nope, that would be a toss up between Charlize Theron and a Bugatti Royale.
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2023, 02:45:22 AM »
Bugatti Royale.
Had to google that.  Looks as stupid as every other Bugatti I've seen, just bigger.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2023, 02:46:59 AM »

Peasant.
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2023, 03:15:49 AM »
You think you are His most beautiful creation?



Nope, that would be a toss up between Charlize Theron and a Bugatti Royale.

I didn't see your edit.

Can you make something like this?

I'd like one in my apartment, would make a good conversation piece.
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2023, 04:44:29 AM »

No, you can’t keep posting pictures of lovely shit and implying that the star fairy made it, because somewhere a Hindu/(enter favourite cult) is doing the exact same thing and somebody is pointing out that we can see stuff in the night sky with our naked eyes that are older than either religion ergo if it pre-dates your made up deity they can’t have possibly have made it any more than I get away with telling people I painted Turners maritime paintings every time I go to the Tate.

And I know you think your mental crutch made the damn lot, but he didn’t sign it for about 14 billion years, in a patch of desert, on a tiny rock in an unremarkable corner of the universe, so I’m calling bollocks on that and sticking with the more believable story that I painted the Turners due to proximity in time and space being kinder to me.

Unfortunately, this means that Pell isn’t roasting in hell and largely got away with it, which is another reason for religions, that being our lovely species’ need for justice and vengeance, which Pell being one of the top guys in his cult obviously didn’t give a fuck about, which says quite a bit about the credibility of mythology he and his kind are pushing to the stupid whilst coining it in and molesting minors.   
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2023, 04:54:34 AM »
I mean something made it.

It didn't come from nothing and it's like clockwork.

How does a creation predate a creator?
That doesn't make sense.

You say I believe in magic but your claim is that the universe just appeared one day out of nothing.

Kind of like magic.

Pell will meet him just like you will.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2023, 05:10:37 AM »
This is a tiktok joke.

Why do priests baptize kids?
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2023, 05:13:19 AM »
metzitzah b'peh?

Aren't you a nearly 40 year old man?
Why are you on ticktock?

Do you play fortnight too?
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2023, 05:15:34 AM »
I mean something made it.

It didn't come from nothing and it's like clockwork.

How does a creation predate a creator?
That doesn't make sense.

You say I believe in magic but your claim is that the universe just appeared one day out of nothing.

Kind of like magic.

Pell will meet him just like you will.

Then who created the creator?

The nature of the universe could have always been that it was filled with stuff. The 'big bang' is just the expansion of the universe. It may not have even been the first. It may not even be the only one out there. It may be the result of some science experiment in an alien lab in an alternate universe for all we know

Regardless, creator or not, what you perceive as a creator was just the imaginings of science illiterate old men. If there are aliens out there in other planets and galaxies, do you think they imagined the same thing? Or is everyone in the universe except for a handful of observers on out little speck of it the only 'right' ones?

In Hell will we find many different aliens that had 'wrong think'? C'mon ::)

Think rationally.

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2023, 05:17:00 AM »
Who created the creator of the creators creator?
Do you think you're clever?

We don't even know aliens exist and if they do the creator of the universe loves them as He loves us.

We haven't got out of low earth orbit since the 60s and everyone acts like we are about to conquer the stars.
lol.
lmao.
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