Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #360 on: March 28, 2023, 08:39:06 AM »
Come back when you calm down.
You sure do love your pathetic dismissal.
I get it, you can't refute me, and know that, and are upset at just how often you have been refuted; so you make up pathetic excuses to avoid addressing simple issues and answering simple questions.

Perhaps you should leave, and come back if you grow up and are willing to honestly engage?

But then again there's no proof your sun is a near 1 million mile diameter, 93 million mile distant nuclear fusion reactor but you swallow it because the schooling teaches that and that's all you know of the story as your reality. Proving it is impossible and you're well aware of that.
There is plenty.
You not liking it doesn't magically make all that evidence disappear.

You reject it, because it doesn't fit your delusional fantasy.

The projector is in the centre. Nobody is operating it. It's a natural energy fed by Earth itself. A sealed unit of finite energy of a cell until the cell dies.
Sure, no one is operating it, but it magically produces exactly what is expected for a RE.

I don't believe in any god.
The problem is that your world is quite clearly not natural.
You have no natural explanation for what would cause a magical snow globe Earth to form, with a magical projector in the centre.

Can you not step back and see your spinning globe as the monstrosity is really is?
What monstrosity?
I can step back, and examine and see how well it matches reality.
I can step back and see how it is explained with a few simple laws.
I can step back and see how the arguments against it so often rely upon blatant misrepresentation.

I will never turn my back on my ideas unless I find  better ideas.
You have already demonstrated that is not the case.
You discard ideas you don't like and cling to others which are vastly inferior.

The reason you see that is because the moon is the direct reflection of the sun on the dome. It's why you see moon down sun up or vice versa, from your vantage point.
The problem is that only matches reality for a narrow window of time.
The phase of the moon, and its associated separation from the sun varies over time.
If the moon was merely a reflection of the sun's projection on the dome we would expect it to match the sun.
Yet we can observe the sun with a solar filter in fairly good detail, even seeing things like sunspots. Things which don't occur on the moon.
But more importantly, we should expect it to always be related the same way, we should always have a full moon, with the moon being 180 degrees from the sun.
Instead, we observe the phase and angular separation vary. We do have full moons, but only for a small period of the month. At other times, the moon is off at a different angle, and we can see the sun and moon in the sky at the same time, with the moon not a fully illuminated circle.
We also observe a new moon when the sun and moon are quite close.
But the biggest issue are the eclipses.
If the moon is just a reflection of the sun, what causes a lunar eclipse?
More significantly what causes the solar eclipse, which clearly appears to be the moon going in front of the sun.

Even if we dismiss all the evidence from multiple space agencies as fake, the evidence still shows your idea doesn't work.
Too much to go through. Pick something.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #361 on: March 28, 2023, 08:39:37 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #362 on: March 28, 2023, 08:50:05 AM »

Sceptimatic, having different ideas and beliefs to other people, is what makes life interesting. Standing your ground in your own truth in the face of adversity is in its own way, heroic. I respect that. I can see your sincerity and can see you even think deeply about life. I respect that too.
As I respect those who have their own mindset whether I agree with it or not.


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Now, between you and I, regarding the shape of the Earth, we have a stalemate. I'm never going to sway your mind, and you're never going to sway my mind on that matter.
100% you'll never sway me back to a global spinning Earth and all the stuff associated with it. I agree.

I may not sway you to go alternate to it but I believe you may be swayed whether it comes to you one day or someone peaks your interest and it can only take one thing. It may even be a freudian slip by those offering the stories.

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So, between you and I, it is pointless having any further flat earth debates, arguments, or discussion. From this point forward, we can either totally ignore each other, or discuss other topics.

That's fine by me. I'm sure we will clash from time to time on whatever topics and if I feel the need to quote something of yours then I will and it's entirely up to you whether you reply to it or take a back seat ...if...like you say, it comes down to something you believe will not gain you any traction, so I get it and fair enough.


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So, for you, you're big into the cell concept. I actually like that, because you can see that everything is in a hierarchy, only for you by way of cells within cells.
Yep. I believe it makes much more sense than balls of rock and fire somehow spinning and whirling inside a space vacuum offering nothing.

Everything being attached makes perfect sense.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #363 on: March 28, 2023, 08:52:12 AM »
Do you understand how a fluorescent bulb works? It actually produces UV radiation, and converts that to light via a fluorescent coating. 

The fluorescent bulb is a working model of how trapped gases work with high voltage to create UV radiation.

Now, what similar elements are present in earth’s atmosphere to create a constant source of UV light during sunlight hours.  During the day, What causes consistent UV exposure in the magnitude of a sun undergoing fusion? 

And why is it only during daylight hours I can get a sunburn?  What changes in the flat earth delusion with a sun always above a flat earth with no spherical earth to block the UV radiation at night? 

Why can’t I get a sunburn in a cave from natural processes in the flat earth delusion.  The cave has an atmosphere.  And is surely surrounded by earth energy.
The wavelengths direct from the sun answer that question.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #364 on: March 28, 2023, 08:57:20 AM »

Focusing on model rockets shows a reality against the silly slow lift off of pretend space rockets.
Just understand full thrust of a rocket at lift off and then you'll understand there's no slow lift off, so something else is at play which is fairly easy to grasp once the bias of space rocket is out of a person's system.


Comparing what “fuel”?  With what weight to thrust ratio?  With what impulse?

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https://www.apogeerockets.com/Rocket_Motors/AeroTech_Motors#descSub
Fuel plus dense mass of the rocket at full thrust against an ever thinning atmosphere offers a vertical velocity not continued acceleration unless that rocket veers to the horizontal, or arc as we know it to be.

Only then can it accelerate for a while whilst the fuel is thrusting against the atmosphere.
All those rocket engines are utter fantasy.
All a real rocket is, is a big firework.
All a space rocket is, is fantasy.


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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #365 on: March 28, 2023, 08:59:26 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #366 on: March 28, 2023, 09:02:42 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #367 on: March 28, 2023, 09:08:16 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #368 on: March 28, 2023, 09:18:31 AM »


Only then can it accelerate for a while whilst the fuel is thrusting against the atmosphere.


That bullshit again. 

Why does a rocket need atmosphere to thrust against.


The rocket produces thrust that pushes it forward by the created atmosphere of expanding gasses from burning fuel that pushes out the rocket motor nozzle. 

It’s been extensively covered here…


It actually has everything to do with it.

Which of your BS statements?

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No. That's incomplete combustion. With more oxygen, you may be able to get a complete combustion.  But combustion relies on three things: heat, fuel, and oxygen. But in space, two of the three are missing.


Back to the liquid nitrogen video..

We know from the videos the rocket motors are going through a complete burn because the motors are actuating their end of burn ejection charges.

Now.. look!






The fuel and oxidizer are having no trouble creating the reaction that is fire under the blanket of liquid nitrogen.


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A vacuum tube itself is not a chamber of zero gravity,

What is that you quote about the fire triangle?  It’s actually the fire tetrahedron now..

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so we're not seeing in addition to zero gravity (which I don't believe in, but devil's advocate) the airless condition.

Hmm.  Nothing about gravity or pressure in the fire tetrahedron.

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This is the reality of outer space, stripped of all your smoke and mirrors. The rocket has nothing to hold onto. Nothing to push against. It is moving across a void.

So?

This is the simplification of how rockets work.


In a vacuum, you have nothing to move against. No ground, no water, no air.


The rocket fuel burns, expands, and exerts forward momentum to the rocket through this process as the gasses exit the nozzle. 

The rocket fuel burning, creating gases that take up tens to thousands times the space of the fuel, with kinetic energy is providing the “matter”..

It’s a controlled explosion.

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Figure 1.1 shows a combustion chamber with an opening, the nozzle, through which gas can escape. The pressure distribution within the chamber is asymmetric; that is, inside the chamber the pressure varies little, but near the nozzle it decreases somewhat. The force due to gas pressure on the bottom of the chamber is not compensated for from the outside. The resultant force F due to the internal and external pressure difference, the thrust, is opposite to the direction of the gas jet. It pushes the chamber upwards.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm


The rocket engine provides it own fuel and oxidizer.  Through a controlled explosion providing the mass to push it along in the form of a large expanding gas bubble at the nozzle.

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I know why "science" (really scientism) likes to make this claim. Because of this passage.

You haven’t shown any scientific evidence of your stance.

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Well sorry but at the end of the day, you have no means of traveling anywhere in the outer darkness (but through God), 360k mph or 15 mph.

You understand comets are real?  What makes them go about the solar system.  We should be able to obtain similar speeds then glide about like a comet? Why could we not travel around the solar system at speeds and in a manner similar to comets?

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Comet Encke has a perihelion (closest approach to the Sun) of 0.336 AU (50.3 million km; 31.2 million mi). At perihelion Comet Encke passes the Sun at 69.9 km/s (252,000 km/h). Of the numbered comets less than 321P, only 96P/Machholz gets closer to the Sun.[12]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Encke#Orbit

Why does it have to work?

It only has to not explode in front of millions of people.
And then produce everything which it is meant to.
i.e. all the things which come from satellites.

Because most people are convinced by an angled ascent, leveling off and then descending, because it is explained away by curvature. I am not.
You mean most people are convinced by a continued ascent, while you aren't because you are desperate to pretend it is fake, so you repeat the same that it is a descent, even though you cannot demonstrate that at all, and have no rational justification or evidence to support it.

And I just showed a video where the shuttle descended after leveling off.

You are so deep in denial you saw something on a video without having seen it.

Here's a rocket that shot straight up 351,000 feet (about 66 miles). It can do that because, if you actually cared to understand orbital mechanics in RE as opposed to just being a sheeple to FE, it wax not trying to orbit.




How deep in denial are you that you can't see a rocket going up straight 66 miles abover the earth?

Meanwhile, someone else showed me a video where a rocket burned in a vacuum, and I focused on the fact that it only technically burned less than a second without slo motion.

Totally different.  ;)

You missed the point entirely again. Doesn't matter if it lasted a second or an hour. A 2 inch rocket engine actually ignited and produced thrust in a...that's right...in a vacuum. Your claim is that it can't do that. It did do that.

You are so deep in denial you don't see something on a video that everyone else can clearly see.

- Ignition - See the flame?
- Thrust-  See the spring move?
- In a vacuum

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« Reply #369 on: March 28, 2023, 09:28:41 AM »
Do you understand how a fluorescent bulb works? It actually produces UV radiation, and converts that to light via a fluorescent coating. 

The fluorescent bulb is a working model of how trapped gases work with high voltage to create UV radiation.

Now, what similar elements are present in earth’s atmosphere to create a constant source of UV light during sunlight hours.  During the day, What causes consistent UV exposure in the magnitude of a sun undergoing fusion? 

And why is it only during daylight hours I can get a sunburn?  What changes in the flat earth delusion with a sun always above a flat earth with no spherical earth to block the UV radiation at night? 

Why can’t I get a sunburn in a cave from natural processes in the flat earth delusion.  The cave has an atmosphere.  And is surely surrounded by earth energy.
The wavelengths direct from the sun answer that question.


Would you make your F’n mind up.

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Nobody can offer accurate distances to a sky light until they know what that skylight is and how big it is against something known.

So you're saying that you don't know what those sky lights are and how far away they are?
Reflected light through cenralised crystal due to the central Earth energy we call the sun.


How is “central Earth energy we call the sun” making UV radiation out of the atmosphere in your delusion where I get a sunburn during the day.

But don’t get a sunburn in sunlight through a few mm’s of glass in a house.  When your crystal would block the wavelengths of UV radiation that causes sunburn.

But I don’t get sunburn at night when the “sun” isn’t blocked by anything on a flat earth. 

And I don’t get sunburn in a cave with atmosphere and have to assume surrounded by “earth energy.”
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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #370 on: March 28, 2023, 09:31:36 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.

Why can’t the distance be measured by radar or laser rangefinder? 

Ever think of trying amateur radio astronomy…..

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« Reply #371 on: March 28, 2023, 09:33:33 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.


By the way…

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How to Use Amateur Radio Moonbounce, EME Propagation
Earth-Moon-Earth, EME or Moonbounce is a form of radio communication propagation used by radio amateurs and others to effect global communications on frequencies above 144 MHz.

https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/ham_radio/amateur-propagation/moonbounce-propagation-eme.php

Why can’t this be done when the moon isn’t in a proper physical location….  Why is this dependent on moon position? 
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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #372 on: March 28, 2023, 09:48:04 AM »


Only then can it accelerate for a while whilst the fuel is thrusting against the atmosphere.


That bullshit again. 

Why does a rocket need atmosphere to thrust against.


The rocket produces thrust that pushes it forward by the created atmosphere of expanding gasses from burning fuel that pushes out the rocket motor nozzle. 

If you don't have a barrier to those ejected burning gases you do not get any reaction. It's as simple as that.
This is why rockets work fine in the atmosphere but working in space is simply fiction.

You may think you've covered it extensively but you haven't offered any reality to what you say.
The burn inside a tube is not a burn in a vacuum. It's a burn in low pressure which is why the movement is sluggish.


Can you tell me exactly where in a rocket the expelled burning gases would be creating the reaction to the thrust?

Just show me on a rocket engine or whatever where this reactionary force can propel a rocket from if it's not from the atmosphere like you think.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #373 on: March 28, 2023, 09:49:41 AM »
Do you understand how a fluorescent bulb works? It actually produces UV radiation, and converts that to light via a fluorescent coating. 

The fluorescent bulb is a working model of how trapped gases work with high voltage to create UV radiation.

Now, what similar elements are present in earth’s atmosphere to create a constant source of UV light during sunlight hours.  During the day, What causes consistent UV exposure in the magnitude of a sun undergoing fusion? 

And why is it only during daylight hours I can get a sunburn?  What changes in the flat earth delusion with a sun always above a flat earth with no spherical earth to block the UV radiation at night? 

Why can’t I get a sunburn in a cave from natural processes in the flat earth delusion.  The cave has an atmosphere.  And is surely surrounded by earth energy.
The wavelengths direct from the sun answer that question.


Would you make your F’n mind up.

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Nobody can offer accurate distances to a sky light until they know what that skylight is and how big it is against something known.

So you're saying that you don't know what those sky lights are and how far away they are?
Reflected light through cenralised crystal due to the central Earth energy we call the sun.


How is “central Earth energy we call the sun” making UV radiation out of the atmosphere in your delusion where I get a sunburn during the day.

But don’t get a sunburn in sunlight through a few mm’s of glass in a house.  When your crystal would block the wavelengths of UV radiation that causes sunburn.

But I don’t get sunburn at night when the “sun” isn’t blocked by anything on a flat earth. 

And I don’t get sunburn in a cave with atmosphere and have to assume surrounded by “earth energy.”
I already told you about the central energy and the reflection back off the dome to you.
pay more attention and you won't get confused.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #374 on: March 28, 2023, 09:50:52 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.

Why can’t the distance be measured by radar or laser rangefinder? 

Ever think of trying amateur radio astronomy…..
Radar and laser would become pointless. You would not get anything back.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #375 on: March 28, 2023, 09:51:30 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.


By the way…

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How to Use Amateur Radio Moonbounce, EME Propagation
Earth-Moon-Earth, EME or Moonbounce is a form of radio communication propagation used by radio amateurs and others to effect global communications on frequencies above 144 MHz.

https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/ham_radio/amateur-propagation/moonbounce-propagation-eme.php

Why can’t this be done when the moon isn’t in a proper physical location….  Why is this dependent on moon position?
There is no moon bounce.

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« Reply #376 on: March 28, 2023, 09:51:49 AM »
Three words.
Dome and reflection.

How high is the dome?
Varying heights depending on where you are situated when looking vertically from any vantage point from centre to outer foundation.

Standing in London. Looking straight up. How high is the dome above me, roughly.
I don't know I haven't measured it.

Does anyone know?

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #377 on: March 28, 2023, 10:01:30 AM »
Does anyone know?
Maybe, not too sure.

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« Reply #378 on: March 28, 2023, 11:28:33 AM »
I already told you about the central energy and the reflection back off the dome to you.
pay more attention and you won't get confused.

But it doesn’t reflect this “energy”?

And it will show a “projection” in your delusion.

Radar and laser would become pointless. You would not get anything back.


So the “dome” reflects your delusional projection and central Earth energy.  But you claim it will not reflect a radar signal nor register with a laser range finder.  But Ham radio operators can bounce radio waves off the moon.  But not your dome in your delusion.

And I can take a picture of the 3 dimensional physical object that is called the moon.



Which.  As pointed out by others.  The moon doesn’t show any features of the sun like sunspots.


I asked how UV radiation is made in your model.  You claim by the atmosphere.  I ask how.  You claim it can’t be replicated.  I point out UV is made by fluorescent lights.  Why can’t it be made by the atmosphere and central earth energy say like in a cave. Then you claim something about sun light.

FE can be so F’n stupid. 

Other words your F’n delusions works the way you needed it in your fantasy, but has zero application or evidence in the real world.   


What is central Earth energy.  Why can’t it be used in a cave’s atmosphere or at night to make UV radiation that results in sunburns like during the day.
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« Reply #379 on: March 28, 2023, 02:41:55 PM »
Too much to go through. Pick something.
And more pathetic deflection.
If you don't want too much to go through, stop spamming loads of different BS.
Pick a topic and stick to it, not deflecting from it until it is done. Until then:

Come back when you calm down.
You sure do love your pathetic dismissal.
I get it, you can't refute me, and know that, and are upset at just how often you have been refuted; so you make up pathetic excuses to avoid addressing simple issues and answering simple questions.

Perhaps you should leave, and come back if you grow up and are willing to honestly engage?

But then again there's no proof your sun is a near 1 million mile diameter, 93 million mile distant nuclear fusion reactor but you swallow it because the schooling teaches that and that's all you know of the story as your reality. Proving it is impossible and you're well aware of that.
There is plenty.
You not liking it doesn't magically make all that evidence disappear.

You reject it, because it doesn't fit your delusional fantasy.

The projector is in the centre. Nobody is operating it. It's a natural energy fed by Earth itself. A sealed unit of finite energy of a cell until the cell dies.
Sure, no one is operating it, but it magically produces exactly what is expected for a RE.

I don't believe in any god.
The problem is that your world is quite clearly not natural.
You have no natural explanation for what would cause a magical snow globe Earth to form, with a magical projector in the centre.

Can you not step back and see your spinning globe as the monstrosity is really is?
What monstrosity?
I can step back, and examine and see how well it matches reality.
I can step back and see how it is explained with a few simple laws.
I can step back and see how the arguments against it so often rely upon blatant misrepresentation.

I will never turn my back on my ideas unless I find  better ideas.
You have already demonstrated that is not the case.
You discard ideas you don't like and cling to others which are vastly inferior.

The reason you see that is because the moon is the direct reflection of the sun on the dome. It's why you see moon down sun up or vice versa, from your vantage point.
The problem is that only matches reality for a narrow window of time.
The phase of the moon, and its associated separation from the sun varies over time.
If the moon was merely a reflection of the sun's projection on the dome we would expect it to match the sun.
Yet we can observe the sun with a solar filter in fairly good detail, even seeing things like sunspots. Things which don't occur on the moon.
But more importantly, we should expect it to always be related the same way, we should always have a full moon, with the moon being 180 degrees from the sun.
Instead, we observe the phase and angular separation vary. We do have full moons, but only for a small period of the month. At other times, the moon is off at a different angle, and we can see the sun and moon in the sky at the same time, with the moon not a fully illuminated circle.
We also observe a new moon when the sun and moon are quite close.
But the biggest issue are the eclipses.
If the moon is just a reflection of the sun, what causes a lunar eclipse?
More significantly what causes the solar eclipse, which clearly appears to be the moon going in front of the sun.

Even if we dismiss all the evidence from multiple space agencies as fake, the evidence still shows your idea doesn't work.

You're using a mirror in atmosphere.
The dome doesn't work like that.
Why?
In your model the dome keeps the atmosphere trapped.
And it is reflective.
So that certainly sounds like it is a mirror in an atmosphere.
What is on the other side of the mirror shouldn't matter.

A better way to define it is to stand in a well lit room with a window looking out into a dark night with no visible street lights and you'll get a better idea.
What you would need for that is 2 windows, so you can see the reflections off each, including the reflection off one window through the other.

As I respect those who have their own mindset whether I agree with it or not.
No you don't.
If their mindset doesn't agree with yours, and they actually think and explain why your claims are BS, then you don't respect them, and throw all sorts of insults at them.

100% you'll never sway me back to a global spinning Earth and all the stuff associated with it. I agree.
And that is because you have decided to value your fantasy over reality.
If you were honest and actually cared about the truth, then you would never say such a thing.

Everything being attached makes perfect sense.
Except it entirely fails to explain how gasses work.

The wavelengths direct from the sun answer that question.
Which doesn't make sense when you claim nothing is direct from the sun and instead we just have a reflection.

If you don't have a barrier to those ejected burning gases you do not get any reaction. It's as simple as that.
No, it is far simpler. If you have those gases burning and expanding, they push outwards in all direction, including pushing the rocket.
They don't need something to push off to push the rocket.
If you really want to pretend they do, then they have the expanding gas.

You may think you've covered it extensively but you haven't offered any reality to what you say.
We have, repeatedly, with you just dismissing it all costs, being entirely incapable of justifying your BS.

Can you tell me exactly where in a rocket the expelled burning gases would be creating the reaction to the thrust?
The exhaust gas going out the rocket.
The rocket is accelerated in one direction, and the gas is accelerated in the other.

Again, perhaps you can address this simple question.
You have a container with one end open, with high pressure gas inside, in a vacuum.
What happens?
Does the gas magically stay inside, contained by pure magic.
Or, does the gas leave?
If the gas leaves, that means it is accelerating. That means you need an action (to accelerate the gas) and a reaction (to accelerate something else).
What is the reaction in this case and what it is accelerating?

Those who accept reality can explain it quite simply, the action is accelerating the gas and the reaction accelerating the rocket, i.e. the chamber.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #380 on: March 28, 2023, 02:44:48 PM »
I already told you about the central energy and the reflection back off the dome to you.
pay more attention and you won't get confused.
And you then directly contradicted it.
Perhaps if you paid attention, and stopped contradicting yourself we would be "less confused".

Is that your strategy? Repeatedly contradict yourself and then when those contradictions are pointed out pretend your opponents are confused?

Radar and laser would become pointless. You would not get anything back.
So your magical dome, which clearly has to be able to reflect light so we can see the sun and radio waves as well as we can pick them up from the sun; suddenly magically wont reflect laser or radar?
If we aren't going to get anything back from this, how are we capable of getting anything from your projector?

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #381 on: March 28, 2023, 09:44:51 PM »
So the “dome” reflects your  projection and central Earth energy.
Yep.
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  But you claim it will not reflect a radar signal nor register with a laser range finder.  But Ham radio operators can bounce radio waves off the moon.  But not your dome in your delusion.
Ham radio operators can't bounce anything off the moon. It's fiction.

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And I can take a picture of the 3 dimensional physical object that is called the moon.

You have absolutely no clue as to what dimensions your moon is except to be told it's a ball of a certain size.
Just be honest about that.

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Which.  As pointed out by others.  The moon doesn’t show any features of the sun like sunspots.
No, because it's a reflection of a reflection viewed less direct.
To make it easier for you it's like looking directly at a security light and being blinded but if you walk under it you get to see inside, past the glare and you see the reflective inner.

Sort of like that.


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I asked how UV radiation is made in your model.  You claim by the atmosphere.  I ask how.  You claim it can’t be replicated.  I point out UV is made by fluorescent lights.  Why can’t it be made by the atmosphere and central earth energy say like in a cave. Then you claim something about sunlight.
I said it's the energy reflecting back to us in the atmosphere causing spectrum wavelengths.


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FE can be so F’n stupid. 
Of course because that's how you are trained.


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Other words your F’n delusions works the way you needed it in your fantasy, but has zero application or evidence in the real world.   
It's all best guess for all of us but your Earth is handed to you on a plate and you simply go with the flow without actually knowing any reality of it so throwing bouncy balls at a wall will result in the ball coming right back at you and possibly bloodying your nose.


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What is central Earth energy.  Why can’t it be used in a cave’s atmosphere or at night to make UV radiation that results in sunburns like during the day.
No direct hit because it's shielded.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #382 on: March 29, 2023, 02:09:27 AM »
You have absolutely no clue as to what dimensions your moon is except to be told it's a ball of a certain size.
You being wilfully ignorant of reality doesn't mean everyone is.

No, because it's a reflection of a reflection viewed less direct.
Do you understand how a reflection works?
The view is the same object, but typically fainted (i.e. less light intensity) and mirrored.
That means the view of the reflected object is quite similar to the original object, not vastly different.

It is quite clear that the moon is not a reflection of the sun.
The light from the moon is a reflection of the sun's light, but the moon itself is an object reflecting that light.

It's all best guess for all of us
No, it isn't. You take the best guess and discard it because it doesn't' match your fantasy, and then you desperately try to pull something together which can match your fantasy.

but your Earth is handed to you on a plate
Yes, because unlike your fantasy, it is backed up by mountains of evidence, including plenty you can obtain yourself.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #383 on: March 29, 2023, 03:14:31 AM »
Ham radio operators can't bounce anything off the moon. It's fiction.


Do you have any proof?  Or just stupid denial?

You have absolutely no clue as to what dimensions your moon is except to be told it's a ball of a certain size.
Just be honest about that.

I have a better idea than you.

About 40 times magnification..


To about 200 times magnification


With this..


Having no realistic way of being the reflection of this in your delusion of a ice covered dome farting icicles that you stupidly claim are comets


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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #384 on: March 29, 2023, 03:19:51 AM »

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What is central Earth energy.  Why can’t it be used in a cave’s atmosphere or at night to make UV radiation that results in sunburns like during the day.
No direct hit because it's shielded.

How is it shielded from “central Earth energy”?  And what is this energy.  And how does it interact with the atmosphere to create UV when you can compare and contrast it to how a fluorescent light creates UV?   

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #385 on: March 29, 2023, 03:20:05 AM »
You have absolutely no clue as to what dimensions your moon is except to be told it's a ball of a certain size.
You being wilfully ignorant of reality doesn't mean everyone is.
Maybe everyone is, including me.
The issue is in finding reality in terms of what we're arguing.


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No, because it's a reflection of a reflection viewed less direct.
Do you understand how a reflection works?
The view is the same object, but typically fainted (i.e. less light intensity) and mirrored.
Less intensity is the key.

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That means the view of the reflected object is quite similar to the original object, not vastly different.
The immediate energy to the dome (sun0 then offers a reflection of less intensity which shows up what is around that as reflected over the dome.

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It is quite clear that the moon is not a reflection of the sun.
To you, maybe because you believe you're on a spinning globe with a 93-million-mile distant ball of fusion reaction.

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The light from the moon is a reflection of the sun's light, but the moon itself is an object reflecting that light.
The light from what you see as the moon is a reflection of what the sun offers.


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It's all best guess for all of us
No, it isn't. You take the best guess and discard it because it doesn't' match your fantasy, and then you desperately try to pull something together which can match your fantasy.

It's all a best guess.
You naturally follow the story books but the reality is you do not have a clue whether any of it is true.

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but your Earth is handed to you on a plate
Yes, because unlike your fantasy, it is backed up by mountains of evidence, including plenty you can obtain yourself.
It's backed up by stories or at best circumstantial evidence, nothing more.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #386 on: March 29, 2023, 03:23:58 AM »
Ham radio operators can't bounce anything off the moon. It's fiction.


Do you have any proof?  Or just stupid denial?
Do you?

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You have absolutely no clue as to what dimensions your moon is except to be told it's a ball of a certain size.
Just be honest about that.

I have a better idea than you.

About 40 times magnification..


To about 200 times magnification


With this..

What are you trying to offer?


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Having no realistic way of being the reflection of this in your delusion of a ice covered dome farting icicles that you stupidly claim are comets

You never take the time to look when the sun and the moon are opposite each other and think they are just reflections.
Yet you're happy to think you can spin about in a vacuum on a big ball.
What can I say?

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sceptimatic

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #387 on: March 29, 2023, 03:25:16 AM »


How is it shielded from “central Earth energy”?  And what is this energy.  And how does it interact with the atmosphere to create UV when you can compare and contrast it to how a fluorescent light creates UV?
The atmosphere itself offers a change in wavelength from the direct source of reflective energy.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #388 on: March 29, 2023, 03:33:24 AM »
Maybe everyone is, including me.
The issue is in finding reality in terms of what we're arguing.
No, we aren't wilfully ignorant.
Again, there are simple experiments you can do to understand reality.
We can find reality in terms of what we're arguing, and it matches the RE quite well.

Less intensity is the key.
No, it isn't.
We can easily view the sun with a solar filter which dramatically cuts down the intensity and shows the sun looks nothing like the moon.

And as already explained, the moon goes through phases, which makes no sense if it is merely a reflection of the sun off the dome.

To you, maybe because you believe you're on a spinning globe with a 93-million-mile distant ball of fusion reaction.
Not merely to me. To anyone who honestly examines and understands the very basics of how reflections work.
It is abundantly clear that the moon is not a reflection of the sun.
If it was, it would look like the sun, not like a solid object covered in craters.
The angular separation between the sun and the moon would be based upon the shape of the dome, and it would be expected to be the same unless you want to appeal to some magic moving it.
It would not display phases as the moon is observed to do.
We wouldn't have eclipses, as the reflection of the sun wouldn't be able to block out the sun to cause a solar eclipse, nor would there be an explanation for a lunar eclipse.

So no, the available is enough to conclude the moon is not merely a reflection of the sun.


It's all a best guess.
When you are artificially restricting the possibilities to try and make it match your delusional fantasy and avoid accepting Earth is round it is NOT the best guess.

You naturally follow the story books but the reality is you do not have a clue whether any of it is true.
No, that is your fantasy.
The reality is there are mountains of evidence showing Earth is round and so on, including plenty of evidence you can obtain yourself but refuse to do so, and that includes evidence that I have obtained myself.

So no, while you choose to not have a clue if any of it is true, I choose to be well informed.

It's backed up by stories or at best circumstantial evidence, nothing more.
It is backed up by physical evidence, evidence you can verify yourself.
It is not merely stories and circumstantial evidence.
That is just the excuse you use to dismiss reality.

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Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?
« Reply #389 on: March 29, 2023, 04:09:39 AM »


How is it shielded from “central Earth energy”?  And what is this energy.  And how does it interact with the atmosphere to create UV when you can compare and contrast it to how a fluorescent light creates UV?
The atmosphere itself offers a change in wavelength from the direct source of reflective energy.

Change in wavelength is not shielding.  And how is this interaction causing UV waves, from what type of energy.  Again.  Compare and contrast how UV waves are created with Fluorescent lights as a bases for discussion.