Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

Yes, you're offended by the fact that indeed Jesus did die for you.

And what's worse, unlike the fundies, I will tell you that there are no strings attached. If you want to snort coke every day until the day you die, perfectly fine.

The atonement of Christ is unlimited. It is just as valuable today as thousands of years ago.

No, you don't have the right to my body, but yes, you have the free gift of salvation. And the free gift is free.

It doesn't require saying Jesus is Lord (though Jesus is Lord).
It doesn't require any major rules.
It doesn't require anything really.

The only difference is that nonbelievers are like the people in Hosea's time, ignorant of God and saying "look, all around us is plenty, where is the evidence of your God?" Yet good and bad fortune exist, and when life gets really rough, not having anyone to turn to is awful. Maybe that's just me though, and you're perfect.

Yes, you're offended by the fact that indeed Jesus did die for you.

And what's worse, unlike the fundies, I will tell you that there are no strings attached. If you want to snort coke every day until the day you die, perfectly fine.

The atonement of Christ is unlimited. It is just as valuable today as thousands of years ago.

Do tell us how his sacrifice resulted in my freedom

I for one do not see religion as freedom. It is a ball and chain. It is shackles. It is for many, the recieving end of a whip or a noose for around their neck

Religion and freedom are at opposite ends


Agnosticism is freedom and the only logical choice in a universe of unknowns

There are several things medically wrong with injections.

First, any nurse who hasn't had enough training or enough sleep might kill the patient outright by air embolism. Which means either you pay for the services of a nurse or you try to do it yourself risking your own life.

You're as uninformed as ever. Basically ignorant.

In the past 25 years (as of 2017) there have been 67 air embolism cases. 77.8% were during an operation/invasive procedure, not from a syringe in the arm whether in a medical facility or outside one. Overall with a 21% mortality rate.  Meaning:

- In the past 25 years 14 people have died from an air embolism
- That’s 1.78 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century
- That equates to 3 people dining from an air embolism not during a surgical procedure
- Therefore non-surgical air embolism deaths equate to 0.12 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century

Second, unlike a pill,  you can underdose or overdose an injection somewhat easily.

And how many times do you need to be told that insulin pumps have been readily available for decades? No jabs required. As well, for Type II only, depending upon the progression of your disease, a doctor most likely will prescribe oral medication first before insulin shots.
If you weren't so paranoid you might actually learn something about medicine if you talk to some Drs and then choose what you think is best for you. Instead, you just ignorantly sit in a corner and conjure up all sorts of reasons why not to be informed.

Third injections represent the epitome of medical aggression, as they can be done with permission and even which someone is unconscious. They are literally symbolic of the sort of violation you would get if you are raped.

Is taking out your damaged spleen while your unconscious after a car accident so that you don't go septic, internally bleed, and die considered rape? Sticking a needle in your arm to help save your life is not considered rape by rational intelligent people.

I have a suspicion that as a child I might have been raped. I am strongly defensive of my own body, fearful of sex, shy about being touched. I don't have a memory to go with it, but my early childhood before age 9 is very very blocked. And btw, that is weird because on at least two occasions I was able to memorize the contents of a page perfectly, one of which involved a map of the states of China. So when you tell me that I don't have medical choices and my child doesn't either, my answer is an emphatic no.

I don't know what to say about this because it reads like the ramblings of a lunatic.

Lastly, the way a syringe enters the body is wrong. It bypasses the skin, the digestive system, and respiratory system to instead go directly into the body like a leech bite. All of these systems are the body's defenses against illness, and you've just ripped past them, drilling a small hole in the body that bacteria and other things can use to intrude the body.

Now you're a doctor?

If you ever invent a pill form of insulin, that's one thing.

There are pills. Type II only. Stop being ignorant and get informed.

But I won't consent to injection, and I won't make my child do it if they don't wanna.

Cool, just let your kid die. How christian of you.

You tell me I'm a monster for letting someone who is young make an informed choice, but you won't let anybody make any choice.

You can make any choice you want, has nothing to do with me. If you want to let your 8 year old drink booze, smoke cigarettes, stay up late watching hardcore porn, refuse life-saving medication, and never have to go to school again because it's your 8 year old's choice, have at it. You're still a monster though with zero sense of responsibility and a child abuser.

Your little 8 year old tells you that he wants jump off the roof of your 5 story apartment building with umbrella because he thinks he can float down to the pavement below. You tell him that no, he will drop like a stone, splatter on the street, and die. Informed consent. He wants to do it anyway because he's sure you're wrong. You just let him do it because it's his "choice". Yes, you're a monster.

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

Really? Shows how much you don't know.
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

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Following the tenets of a book is not freedom to live your life. It's living your life by the rules written by messianic age cultists and perpetually altered throughout medieval times. It's 2023, act like it is 2023.

Oh yes, the "the Bible is sooooo outdated" rationale. Because things like murder and rape, and killing children, worrying about whether they're wrong is just soooo passe.

I don't need a bible to know that those things are wrong. Just like for most of the 6 billion people in the world who don't believe in Jesus know those things are wrong. Are you really trying to say that only Christians know that murder and rape, and killing children is wrong? Really?

Wow, way to advertise your ignorance bulmatroll.

Firstly, how the fuck do you give yourself an 'air embolism' in a subcutaneous injection. You know the many billions of insulin injections done by people over the decades has resulted in how many fatalities of an air embolism? Seems to be a big deal for you, maybe you can tell us. Contrast it with those who died for not recieving their injection. You do the math and tell us what poses a bigger risk


The fact that you would suggest pills as an alternative to injections for insulin just shows how stupid you are. Insulin is a complicated protein. And what does the stomach and intestines do with proteins? It denatures them. Even if a fragment of insulin survived the process, there is no way you can predict how much will and if the dose was sufficient. You inject insulin into the body so that it arrives inside your body in the same condition and appear in your blood through the same process as your pancreas would (if you had a normal functioning pancreas).

Maybe this is where you realise that any further posting on this subject only embarrasses you even more and now might be the time to bow out. Your ignorance is laughable. Probably why you're such an unsuccessful loner.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

There are several things medically wrong with injections.

First, any nurse who hasn't had enough training or enough sleep might kill the patient outright by air embolism. Which means either you pay for the services of a nurse or you try to do it yourself risking your own life.

You're as uninformed as ever. Basically ignorant.

In the past 25 years (as of 2017) there have been 67 air embolism cases. 77.8% were during an operation/invasive procedure, not from a syringe in the arm whether in a medical facility or outside one. Overall with a 21% mortality rate.  Meaning:

- In the past 25 years 14 people have died from an air embolism
- That’s 1.78 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century
- That equates to 3 people dining from an air embolism not during a surgical procedure
- Therefore non-surgical air embolism deaths equate to 0.12 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Second, unlike a pill,  you can underdose or overdose an injection somewhat easily.

And how many times do you need to be told that insulin pumps have been readily available for decades? No jabs required. As well, for Type II only, depending upon the progression of your disease, a doctor most likely will prescribe oral medication first before insulin shots.
If you weren't so paranoid you might actually learn something about medicine if you talk to some Drs and then choose what you think is best for you. Instead, you just ignorantly sit in a corner and conjure up all sorts of reasons why not to be informed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Third injections represent the epitome of medical aggression, as they can be done with permission and even which someone is unconscious. They are literally symbolic of the sort of violation you would get if you are raped.

Is taking out your damaged spleen while your unconscious after a car accident so that you don't go septic, internally bleed, and die considered rape? Sticking a needle in your arm to help save your life is not considered rape by rational intelligent people.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

I have a suspicion that as a child I might have been raped. I am strongly defensive of my own body, fearful of sex, shy about being touched. I don't have a memory to go with it, but my early childhood before age 9 is very very blocked. And btw, that is weird because on at least two occasions I was able to memorize the contents of a page perfectly, one of which involved a map of the states of China. So when you tell me that I don't have medical choices and my child doesn't either, my answer is an emphatic no.

I don't know what to say about this because it reads like the ramblings of a lunatic.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Lastly, the way a syringe enters the body is wrong. It bypasses the skin, the digestive system, and respiratory system to instead go directly into the body like a leech bite. All of these systems are the body's defenses against illness, and you've just ripped past them, drilling a small hole in the body that bacteria and other things can use to intrude the body.

Now you're a doctor?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

If you ever invent a pill form of insulin, that's one thing.

There are pills. Type II only. Stop being ignorant and get informed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

But I won't consent to injection, and I won't make my child do it if they don't wanna.

Cool, just let your kid die. How christian of you.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

You tell me I'm a monster for letting someone who is young make an informed choice, but you won't let anybody make any choice.

You can make any choice you want, has nothing to do with me. If you want to let your 8 year old drink booze, smoke cigarettes, stay up late watching hardcore porn, refuse life-saving medication, and never have to go to school again because it's your 8 year old's choice, have at it. You're still a monster though with zero sense of responsibility and a child abuser.

Your little 8 year old tells you that he wants jump off the roof of your 5 story apartment building with umbrella because he thinks he can float down to the pavement below. You tell him that no, he will drop like a stone, splatter on the street, and die. Informed consent. He wants to do it anyway because he's sure you're wrong. You just let him do it because it's his "choice". Yes, you're a monster.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

Really? Shows how much you don't know.
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

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Following the tenets of a book is not freedom to live your life. It's living your life by the rules written by messianic age cultists and perpetually altered throughout medieval times. It's 2023, act like it is 2023.

Oh yes, the "the Bible is sooooo outdated" rationale. Because things like murder and rape, and killing children, worrying about whether they're wrong is just soooo passe.

I don't need a bible to know that those things are wrong. Just like for most of the 6 billion people in the world who don't believe in Jesus know those things are wrong. Are you really trying to say that only Christians know that murder and rape, and killing children is wrong? Really?

Yeah, the thing is, I don't care what is or isn't available medically. What I do care about is the hard sell.

Suppose I were to walk into a car dealership, and within 4 minutes, I had scoped out all the cars, and decided what sort of cars I will and won't take. In particular, I've realized I don't want a car at all. I decided I want a motorcycle (alt medicine). I tell you this, but you don't listen at all. Instead, you refuse to let me see if you have any motorcycles in stock and continue to press me to buy a car. When I tell you that motorcycles seem cheaper and more fuel efficient, you tell me they don't actually work. And you tell me when I say I don't like electric vehicles (syringes) that these electric vehicles are different, they have a minor upgrade that is suppose to impress me.

That's what you've been doing for at least three pages of posts.

Really. Because when religion flees an area (as happened in communist Russia, communist Germany, communist China when they banned religion), the borrowed morals the secular world slowly fade. Abortion goes up. Rape, murder, and half-siblings go up as a result of secular society. Because family ties go down, this also means inbreeding becomes a thing.

"Atheism is a cruel long-term business, and I have gone through it to the end." Jean-Paul Sartre.

Atheism has no morals of its own. It borrows them from Judaism and Christianity (and occasionally Islam). What happens when those religions are forgotten or suppressed? In famously religiously-declining Europe, we are seeing a rise of unsteady relationships and moral vagueness.

https://gatesofvienna.net/2013/04/effects-of-atheist-propaganda-come-home-to-roost/

Quote from: Stash on March 14, 2023, 08:33:30 AM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

There are several things medically wrong with injections.

First, any nurse who hasn't had enough training or enough sleep might kill the patient outright by air embolism. Which means either you pay for the services of a nurse or you try to do it yourself risking your own life.

You're as uninformed as ever. Basically ignorant.

In the past 25 years (as of 2017) there have been 67 air embolism cases. 77.8% were during an operation/invasive procedure, not from a syringe in the arm whether in a medical facility or outside one. Overall with a 21% mortality rate.  Meaning:

- In the past 25 years 14 people have died from an air embolism
- That’s 1.78 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century
- That equates to 3 people dining from an air embolism not during a surgical procedure
- Therefore non-surgical air embolism deaths equate to 0.12 deaths per year for the past 1/4 century

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Second, unlike a pill,  you can underdose or overdose an injection somewhat easily.

And how many times do you need to be told that insulin pumps have been readily available for decades? No jabs required. As well, for Type II only, depending upon the progression of your disease, a doctor most likely will prescribe oral medication first before insulin shots.
If you weren't so paranoid you might actually learn something about medicine if you talk to some Drs and then choose what you think is best for you. Instead, you just ignorantly sit in a corner and conjure up all sorts of reasons why not to be informed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Third injections represent the epitome of medical aggression, as they can be done with permission and even which someone is unconscious. They are literally symbolic of the sort of violation you would get if you are raped.

Is taking out your damaged spleen while your unconscious after a car accident so that you don't go septic, internally bleed, and die considered rape? Sticking a needle in your arm to help save your life is not considered rape by rational intelligent people.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

I have a suspicion that as a child I might have been raped. I am strongly defensive of my own body, fearful of sex, shy about being touched. I don't have a memory to go with it, but my early childhood before age 9 is very very blocked. And btw, that is weird because on at least two occasions I was able to memorize the contents of a page perfectly, one of which involved a map of the states of China. So when you tell me that I don't have medical choices and my child doesn't either, my answer is an emphatic no.

I don't know what to say about this because it reads like the ramblings of a lunatic.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

Lastly, the way a syringe enters the body is wrong. It bypasses the skin, the digestive system, and respiratory system to instead go directly into the body like a leech bite. All of these systems are the body's defenses against illness, and you've just ripped past them, drilling a small hole in the body that bacteria and other things can use to intrude the body.

Now you're a doctor?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

If you ever invent a pill form of insulin, that's one thing.

There are pills. Type II only. Stop being ignorant and get informed.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

But I won't consent to injection, and I won't make my child do it if they don't wanna.

Cool, just let your kid die. How christian of you.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

You tell me I'm a monster for letting someone who is young make an informed choice, but you won't let anybody make any choice.

You can make any choice you want, has nothing to do with me. If you want to let your 8 year old drink booze, smoke cigarettes, stay up late watching hardcore porn, refuse life-saving medication, and never have to go to school again because it's your 8 year old's choice, have at it. You're still a monster though with zero sense of responsibility and a child abuser.

Your little 8 year old tells you that he wants jump off the roof of your 5 story apartment building with umbrella because he thinks he can float down to the pavement below. You tell him that no, he will drop like a stone, splatter on the street, and die. Informed consent. He wants to do it anyway because he's sure you're wrong. You just let him do it because it's his "choice". Yes, you're a monster.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

Really? Shows how much you don't know.
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 14, 2023, 06:26:46 AM

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Following the tenets of a book is not freedom to live your life. It's living your life by the rules written by messianic age cultists and perpetually altered throughout medieval times. It's 2023, act like it is 2023.

Oh yes, the "the Bible is sooooo outdated" rationale. Because things like murder and rape, and killing children, worrying about whether they're wrong is just soooo passe.

I don't need a bible to know that those things are wrong. Just like for most of the 6 billion people in the world who don't believe in Jesus know those things are wrong. Are you really trying to say that only Christians know that murder and rape, and killing children is wrong? Really?

Yeah, the thing is, I don't care what is or isn't available medically. What I do care about is the hard sell.

Suppose I were to walk into a car dealership, and within 4 minutes, I had scoped out all the cars, and decided what sort of cars I will and won't take. In particular, I've realized I don't want a car at all. I decided I want a motorcycle (alt medicine). I tell you this, but you don't listen at all. Instead, you refuse to let me see if you have any motorcycles in stock and continue to press me to buy a car. When I tell you that motorcycles seem cheaper and more fuel efficient, you tell me they don't actually work. And you tell me when I say I don't like electric vehicles (syringes) that these electric vehicles are different, they have a minor upgrade that is suppose to impress me.

That's what you've been doing for at least three pages of posts.

Nope, not what I'm doing at all. You can do whatever you like, buy a car, buy a motocycle, I don't care. What I have been telling you is that you would gleefully allow a little kid to inadvertently kill him or herself if that was their "choice". Which makes you a monster and a horrible person. And also telling you how you know nothing about christianity when you say shit like:

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

When:
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

Obviously, you really don't know shit about anything that you type. And you're a would-be child abuser. You have no sense of responsibility for another human being. No compassion, no empathy. It's just all about you. The definition of a psychopath.

Nope, not what I'm doing at all. You can do whatever you like, buy a car, buy a motocycle, I don't care. What I have been telling you is that you would gleefully allow a little kid to inadvertently kill him or herself if that was their "choice". Which makes you a monster and a horrible person. And also telling you how you know nothing about christianity when you say shit like:

Quote from: bulmabriefs144

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

When:
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

Obviously, you really don't know shit about anything that you type. And you're a would-be child abuser. You have no sense of responsibility for another human being. No compassion, no empathy. It's just all about you. The definition of a psychopath.

The worst psychopaths convince people they are being virtuous. They tell people that it's in their best interest to "give their fair share," and do their part. But when they are asked to give, it's all guilt trip.

Psychopaths don't act like me. They are normal. They appear sane. Charming even. Just one difference from regular people. They enjoy pushing and intimidating people. A classic psychopath is an abuser. "Ohh honey, I've changed. I've stopped drinking and look at all the things I've done to prove I'm a better person now." Only as soon as she comes back he beats her to death, then blames it on the alcohol.

If you really "didn't care" as you say, you would literally not care. But you have not stopped responding. Actual psychopaths don't give people choices. They put on a caring act. They gaslight you and tell you that you are crazy. They do things that they know may hurt or even kill you, willingly poisoning you. They tell you that when you say no or refuse them that you are the one who is evil, for standing up for your rights and those of others.
https://www.powerofpositivity.com/11-ways-psychopaths-will-try-manipulate/

2. Psychopaths engage in brainwashing.
Hypnotists and psychopaths use techniques to manipulate your thoughts and actions, such as brainwashing. If you notice that your conversations become strangely repetitive, where the person says the same thing repeatedly, they’re probably trying to implant an idea in your mind.
8. Preventing you from doing things that you want.
Seeing your friends, going out, wearing that outfit you love – whatever you enjoy doing, a psychopath will try to transform into a negative. Alternatively, they will fabricate why you can’t do the thing you love. Never allow a psychopath to take away your joy.
9. Psychopaths control people via verbal abuse
Name-calling, belittling, or even a loud, angry tone are all psychological manipulation tools used by the psychopath. They want you in a low, fearful state so that you feel powerless against them. Don’t fall for their mind games, though; ignore or walk away from their abuse.

I know this because I've been used and abused by sociopaths and psychopaths before. And they always seem to be the sweetest people, right before they hurt you. Yes, I have a deadpan personality, but I am decidedly not in the antisocial spectrum. 

Suppose I know that the medicine may have side-effects. Is it wrong to not want to take them when the risk is permanent disability or death?

• fatigue
• inability to speak
• sweating
• confusion
• loss of consciousness
• seizures
• muscle twitching
• pale skin

Or maybe the drug you are told to take has some unsavory additives.

Ingredients found in some vaccines
Stabilizers (Examples: Sugars, gelatin)
Adjuvants (Examples: Aluminum salts)
Residual inactivating ingredients (Example: Formaldehyde†)
Residual cell culture materials (Examples: Egg protein^)
Residual antibiotics (Examples: Neomycin, Kanamycin, Streptomycin)
Preservatives (Example: Thimerosal)

Thimerosal is fucking mercury. Formaldehyde? Aluminum salts? To say nothing of COVID vaccines literally altering mRNA.

No, you may like to call me a psychopath, but I'm not the one forcing imaginary kids to take poison, all while telling them it will make them better.  And for the record, I'm not forcing the child not to take medicine. I believe people have right to choice. If he wants to take it, I will not stop him. But you want both of us to do as you say, because you say so. And when you don't, you tell me I'm an evil person.

I saw all of this crap all through COVID. The people telling people that it was "for their own good" that they were trying to make them take poison. But "for their own good" was never good enough. When one poison failed to kill the people (or they refused to take) they wanted, they talked about boosters and flattening the curve. Yeah, "why aren't you dead yet?" 



Maybe it's because I know what being pushed looks like, and know the difference between wanting you to develop healthy habits and pushing you to take chemicals that hurt your body.

Here's the thing. Jesus died even for a psychopath like you. He made you be born a psychopath, didn't do anything to change your background, and then died for you on the cross. I don't have to answer to you, as you are not my mom, not my dad, not my friend, and frankly I don't know you. Yet to people who were actively trying to kill him, Jesus said "Forgive them because they don't know what they are doing." And you don't know what you are doing. You are trying to drive someone to suicide who already wants to do so.

You're just wasting your time.

Obviously, you really don't know shit about anything that you type. And you're a would-be child abuser. You have no sense of responsibility for another human being. No compassion, no empathy. It's just all about you. The definition of a psychopath.

It's pretty clear that bulmatroll is another dipshit who uses the boring theme of religion to sound like an elitist prick.

Must be a real pathetic sob in real life


Pack it up bulmadick. You're done

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Nope, not what I'm doing at all. You can do whatever you like, buy a car, buy a motocycle, I don't care. What I have been telling you is that you would gleefully allow a little kid to inadvertently kill him or herself if that was their "choice". Which makes you a monster and a horrible person. And also telling you how you know nothing about christianity when you say shit like:

Quote from: bulmabriefs144

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

When:
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

Obviously, you really don't know shit about anything that you type. And you're a would-be child abuser. You have no sense of responsibility for another human being. No compassion, no empathy. It's just all about you. The definition of a psychopath.

No, you may like to call me a psychopath, but I'm not the one forcing imaginary kids to take poison, all while telling them it will make them better.

Yeah, insulin is "poison". 
It's pretty clear. You'd let an 8 year old jump off a building to their death because it's their "choice", all because you don't want them to hate you because if you said no and in your eyes, he wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway as most people don't. Equals a psychopath, at a minimum, sociopath.

On top of that, you think christianity isn't supposed to be about compassion, caring, altruism...You think it's about your freedom to do whatever you want. Bizarre.

Insulin is poison. Particularly synthetic insulin.

 The body can learn to make things on its own. But when you have an industrially made chemica, it's too pure, it's the wrong dose, and it might even be a fake version that needs fillers. Industrially made estrogen gives you hardcore cancer, so when they list side-effects like that, I believe them. Wrong purity, wrong dosage, not designed for the sedentary body.

I don't believe any body is incapable of ever making insulin. That's crap. You knew people and they exercised and ate right. That's great. Did they exercise (walk a half hour a day) or Exercise (very long walks of two hours oe more)?

What this is really about is telling me:
1. I can't do it myself
2. I need you to tell me what to do

That's precisely what abusers and control freaks say.

Ummmm no, I don't. We have an expression in Christianity, that gets used in occasions like baptism oaths. "We will, with God's help." It's not men that I trust, even supposedly good or righteous men. I don't need your medicine. And I don't need you.

I want to help you. Just as a diabetic can walk out their inability to make insulin and switch to high fiber low sugar portions, you can actually break that kick of yours of manipulating and abusing people. Do you want to be helped? If not, you should go.
I know you are possessing him, and have been for years. It is easy to possess atheists and agnostics, because they can themselves be undermined until they are like an empty husk. They don't notice their actions feel controlled because they reject superstition (supposedly).

Jesus offers help to everyone, and I mean everyone.

The Demons and the Pigs
(Matthew 8:28–34; Luke 8:26–39)

1On the other side of the sea, they arrived in the region of the Gerasenes. 2As soon as Jesus got out of the boat, He was met by a man with an unclean spirit, who was coming from the tombs. 3This man had been living in the tombs and could no longer be restrained, even with chains. 4Though he was often bound with chains and shackles, he had broken the chains and shattered the shackles. Now there was no one with the strength to subdue him. 5Night and day in the tombs and in the mountains he kept crying out and cutting himself with stones.

6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him. 7And he shouted in a loud voice, “What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!” 8For Jesus had already declared, “Come out of this man, you unclean spirit!”

9“What is your name?” Jesus asked.

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10And he begged Jesus repeatedly not to send them out of that region (in some translations, it says not to send them into the abyss).

11There on the nearby hillside a large herd of pigs was feeding. 12So the demons begged Jesus, “Send us to the pigs, so that we may enter them.”

13He gave them permission, and the unclean spirits came out and went into the pigs, and the herd of about two thousand rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the water.

Do you understand what is happening here?

In an exorcism, the spirit would be destroyed. Demonic spirits were a leftover from the Nephilim of Noah's time. They died, and their spirits were immortal, but God didn't want them reborn in a new body. So we have a problem of too many guests trying to possess weak hosts. What you'd call in secular terms, a plague of psychiatric disorders.
So Jesus could have sent them into the abyss through exorcism, and this is how most exorcists work. They don't care about the fate of a demon. But Jesus didn't destroy the demon, he sent it to a herd of pigs which immediately killed itself. You may think, but they still died. Yes, naturally. Not by being sent into a world of nonexistence but being reborn at some point in a new body. Jesus gave freaking demons a second chance.

I cant believe the level of stupid. Such a obvious troll. Or if you really are that stupid, you must have an IQ in the single digit range

If your pancreas is fucked up, it's not making insulin. Your body needs insulin and a fucked up pancreas such as where your bodies immune system has destroyed the cells responsible for making it means your body will not be producing it.

One mans posion is another mans medicine

Yeah, you wont take insulin because you dont need to. Some people do need to - or they die

The same way that I dont take a lot of pills for the heart or high blood pressure or arthritis etc because that would be bad for me. To an old person or someone presribed these things, it can markedly improve their quality - and quantity of life


But I guess just because you wont take them (largely because you dont need them) - no body should be taking them lol. Perhaps we should die a lot sooner than we ought to because God supposedly wishes it and these medicines are interfering in Gods plan to take us? Fuck you

Lets hope you get diagnosed with a disease that requires you to take medicine to keep living - and in your stubborn and stupid mode you're like 'a good diet and a few hours walk per day is all I need!'

Good luck with that (actually not really)

Insulin is poison. Particularly synthetic insulin.

How did you find out you are Type II diabetic? is it pre-diabetes or full on?

You're still a sociopath for letting a kid die because it was his "choice". How you don't see that is, well, sociopathic.

Not to mention that you obviously know nothing about christianity.

How did I find out?

Not from any doctor.

Biofeedback.

I feel sick, including nerve pain. And it seems to coincide with days that I have refined sugar.

I didn't need a damned doctor to know that I am constantly thirsty, have energy that ebbs and flows with how much sugar I have, constant fatigue, and it has caused me to gain weight when before I was thin as a rail. Nor do I need it to know that exercise is not doing the same thing as before, making me tired and worsening weight gain, instead of keeping me fit.

Did I go for a checkup to verity? No. I simply know what I have from the symptoms. Could it be prediabetes? Could be. But the point is, I don't care. I don't want medicine, I don't need it where I'm going, and you charlatans who tell me what I already figured out can take a hike.

Non Silba Sed Anthar is a Ku Klux Klan slogan intended to mean "Not Self, But Others."

Interestingly, the English was still the motto at my school when I attended.

Only found this out later.
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/non-silba-sed-anthar

So all you altruist assholes, altruism is from the KKK.
Not from Jesus. Jesus had boundaries. He took care of himself, up to the point where they killed him.
https://www.soulshepherding.org/jesus-set-boundaries/
He helped other people because he had himself able to give. People who say not self but others get sucked into selfless activities. Like being told they have to give up their property. They either are exhausted or they do more harm than good.

There are plenty of anecdotes of doctors and nurses working too long a shift, and making mistakes that cost lives.

Jesus Accepted His Personal Limits (Part of His Incarnation)

Meeting His Personal Needs. He ate healthy foods, got the sleep he needed, and even took naps, took time to relax, and did a lot of walking (Matthew 26:18, 20; Mark 1:16, 3:23, 4:38; Luke 7:36; John 10:40, 12:2).
Receiving Support from Friends. He sought the company of friends (Matthew 26:36-38).
Enjoying Solitude. He withdrew from the crowds to go away on retreat, alone or with friends.
Enjoying the Moment (These people, this place, this time). He left one city to go to another because he couldn’t be in two places at the same time (Mark 1:38).
Unhurried Pace of Life. He was never in a hurry, except to go to Jerusalem and embrace his cross (John 11:6; Mark 10:32).
Abandoning Outcomes to God. Jesus was tempted to become paralyzed with fear about the cross. Satan and his demons, along with many people who hated him, were trying to kill him. Would he make it to the cross to die for us, to be “lifted up” publicly so it would draw people to God? He let go. He chose not to force things, but to trust the Father’s will. To the Father, he abandoned the outcomes of his sufferings and trials to come, as he always did. (Mark 14:32-42)

Jesus Said No to Inappropriate Behavior

Demands. He withdrew from the crowds who wanted him, for one-on-one time with the Father (Luke 5:15-16).
Abuse. He fought his way through the crowd that was trying to throw him off a cliff for claiming to be the Messiah  (Luke 4:28-30).
Entitlement. He didn’t give in to his mother and brothers who tried to use their relationship with him to pull him away from the crowd he was ministering to (Matthew 12:46-50).
Baiting Questions. When the religious leaders asked him baiting questions to make him look foolish, he answered with incisive questions of his own (Matthew 21:23-27, 22:15-22).
Cynicism. He said no to Herod’s mocking demand, “Show us a sign that you are the Son of God.” (Luke 23:8-9).
Manipulation. He said no to Peter and the disciples who had an inappropriate agenda for Jesus to be a political king or military warrior rather than a sacrificial lamb. (Matthew 16:23).
Pride. He didn’t heal those who were too proud to trust Him (Matthew 13:58).

Jesus Spoke the Truth in Love to Those Stuck or Wrong

Exploitation. He used a whip to clear out the temple of the vendors and money changers who were taking advantage of the poor and turning God’s house into a marketplace (Matthew 21:12-17, John 2:12-16).
Addiction. He told the Rich Young Ruler that he couldn’t help him until he gave away the money that was controlling him (Matthew 19:16-21).
Misguided. He rebuked the disciples who tried to keep the little children away from him and told them that they needed to emulate the children’s faith (Matthew 19:13-15).

Jesus Had Expectations for People in Need

What do you want? Two blind men called out to him for help from the Jericho road.  He asked them, “What do you want me to do for you?”  They needed to ask for what they needed and they needed to trust Him (Matthew 20:29-34).
Do you want to get well? For 38 years the invalid at the Sheep Gate pool hadn’t been able to get into the miracle waters.  He felt helpless and sorry for himself.  He expected someone to fix his problem.  Jesus challenged him, “Do you want to get well?… Get up!  Pick up your mat and walk.” It was up to him to be motivated and to take responsibility for himself (John 5:1-14).
Do you believe? A father sought deliverance for his son who was mute and had seizures and said to Jesus, “If you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.”  Jesus put it back on the father, “`If you can’?  Everything is possible for him who believes.”  The father needed to believe that Jesus could cure his son (Mark 9:17-27).

Jesus Offered Grace and Truth According to the Need

The humble and broken. To the woman caught in adultery, he offered grace (“Neither do I condemn you.”) and truth (“Go and sin no more.”).
The proud and self-righteous. To the Pharisees who tried to condemn this woman and to trap Jesus, he listened (grace) and then confronted their pride and scapegoating with the truth (“Let him who is without sin throw the first stone.”)
 (John 8:1-11)

Jesus Taught Us Examples of How to Be Setting Boundaries

Personal Prayer Time: “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen” (Matthew 6:6).
Be Honest and Direct (Don’t Pressure People or Try to Get Them to Do Things): “Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one” (Matthew 5:37).
Set Priorities: “No servant can serve two masters.  Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other” (Luke 16:13).
Please God, Not People: “How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?” (John 5:44).
Obey God: “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’  ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.  Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “’The first,’ they answered” (Matthew 21:28-31).

How did I find out?

Not from any doctor.

Biofeedback.

I feel sick, including nerve pain. And it seems to coincide with days that I have refined sugar.

I didn't need a damned doctor to know that I am constantly thirsty, have energy that ebbs and flows with how much sugar I have, constant fatigue, and it has caused me to gain weight when before I was thin as a rail. Nor do I need it to know that exercise is not doing the same thing as before, making me tired and worsening weight gain, instead of keeping me fit.

Did I go for a checkup to verity? No. I simply know what I have from the symptoms. Could it be prediabetes? Could be. But the point is, I don't care. I don't want medicine, I don't need it where I'm going, and you charlatans who tell me what I already figured out can take a hike.

Literally a 2 second test will give you assurance and with that knowledge you would be better armed to deal with any such problem. A test isn't then forcing you to take medicine. It gives you knowledge. And knowledge is power. Power to take control of your life with the right decisions

I agree, Type 2 diabetes can be mostly managed with a healthy diet and lifestyle in certainly many of the cases. When you see some fat fuck who probably cant remember the last time he's seen his penis chowing down on fast food and other junk and complains he has Type 2 diabetes then yeah, he is a stupido.

You are trying to assert that a child suffering from Type 1 diabetes can be managed without taking insulin which is utter bullshit. If you were a parent of such a child, your arse would be in jail for neglect if you allowed them to waste away. You can search online for many people who thought like you that a good diet or 'faith healing' could cure them. Well their child is dead and they got a nice stint in jail.

You have no idea what it means to be responsible so it's probably why you have these stupid thoughts. Thankfully you seem just as unpleasant and stupid in real life as you do here. No chance any child will find themselves in your 'care'

Did I go for a checkup to verity? No. I simply know what I have from the symptoms.

How do you know those are the symptoms of Type II diabetes?

Biofeedback.

he did an "ocular pat down" of himself.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 16, 2023, 04:39:57 AM

Did I go for a checkup to verity? No. I simply know what I have from the symptoms.

How do you know those are the symptoms of Type II diabetes?

:rolls_eyes_hard:

You guys really have zero ability to do research, don't you?



No wonder I have to tell you the same things over and over again.

Yes, you can diagnose yourself through biofeedback.
Biofeedback involves listening to yours body and narrowing down symptoms into a result.

• Am I coughing up blood?
• Have I been punched or shot recently?
• Do I have chest pain but no accompanying bruises?
• Do I live in a crowded urban area, particularly one with alot of other people coughing within earshot?

Geee, uhhh maybe I should move to the country, rather than wasting good travel money having the doctor run tests and tell me that it's tuberculosis, and taking much of said travel money?

You don't know the cause of it, you think it just magically appears or something, when several studies pointed to a clear dietary component (and not just "too much sugar", but also an important component of lipid makeup). And you don't understand that exercise and several other things (including just drinking water and flushing yourself out) can in fact slow the progression.

And you don't really understand the symptoms. Particularly that prediabetes, early stage diabetes, and end stage diabetes are quite a bit different. Our neighbor has late stage diabetes, and can't move around much at all because sugar has attacked many of her organs.

Tell me, if some rando who didn't even doesn't what the symptoms or possible courses of action tells me that I HAVE to jab myself (or whatever medicines you seem to know more about than the disease itself), what makes you think I should believe them?

At a very young age, I learned what "first do no harm" meant. After my parents subjected me to several medically unnecessary treatments. The one thing they did help with was that I had childhood obesity. I got rid of that with alot of walking with my mom and dad, not through any medical intervention. But the medicine I took for ADD (often misdiagnosed), seizures (Rolandic seizures, you typically outgrow without medication), and acne (cetaphil, made my skin itch which meant I touched it alot more), none of it was any good. Oh yeah, and I also had heard Wild Yam was a replacement for estrogen (dry powdery pills that turned my stomach and made me cough).

You are more humane, and do less harm if you do nothing than you are for torturing a kid, then he dies anyway not much longer.  If a kid will die at age ten, or die at age thirteen but in the latter case every waking moment is pain, I will ask him and if he doesn't want it, that's fine. "Well, he lived three years longer!" Yes, but...

"You are quite wrong," said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. "Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness."

When you are dead, it's just the end of life. I believe in an Afterlife. But there are several things far worse than death.
1. Being isolated for years.
2. Turned to stone (or trapped in cement), yet still conscious.
3. Being forced to relive trauma over and over.
4. Being tortured.
5. Being kept alive when you want to die.

Just offhand, all of these things manage to make life worse than death. But yes, go on believing that it's somehow the worst thing ever to just go ahead and die when things go south, instead of prolonged agony.

You have no idea.

Quote from: Stash on March 16, 2023, 04:54:26 AM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 16, 2023, 04:39:57 AM

Did I go for a checkup to verity? No. I simply know what I have from the symptoms.

How do you know those are the symptoms of Type II diabetes?

:rolls_eyes_hard:

You guys really have zero ability to do research, don't you?

Yes, I'm rolling my eyes hard because where do you think the definition of symptoms of Type II Diabetes comes from? Yes, that's right, from the very same doctors/medical establishments that you claim to distrust and avoid because of their evil demonic quackery.  The very same ones that could provide life saving insulin to your 8 year old that you would deny and let him die as a result.

So now you're saying that you do trust these same folks to provide you with the correct diagnostic criteria for what ails you? You don't see a conflict in that? You're a master of contradictions and hypocrisy.

This is why people who believe so strongly in an 'afterlife' are so dangerous. They couldn't give 2 shits about the sanctity of this life

So if a kid hates taking his medication - let him waste away they believe. When he/she dies they go to an afterlife anyway

Fucked in the head ideology.

Nonsense.

The biggest supporters of abortion are secular.
https://www.atheists.org/2021/09/dobbs-v-jackson-brief/
If it were about preserving life, secular society would not be responsible for most of hum wars.

https://carm.org/atheism/the-myth-that-religion-is-the-1-cause-of-war/
It would not be responsible for the deaths and organ harvests of thousands of children.

What it is about is control. You are a control freak, and when someone calls you out on it, you figure calling them evil will somehow mask that fact. You say you believe in the sanctity of life, but that sanctity is only worth shit if that life actually has options. You have failed to understand this text.

2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

You think that through moral perfectionism that you can somehow undo the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and be lowfat sin-free. Sorry, guy, it doesn't work this way. The sanctity of life involves making good and bad choices. Without allowing people those choices, they simply aren't human.

What a load of shit

Try religious violence, not wars. And are people who are non believers/without faith drawing on their non belief when being violent?

Religion is the inspiration for much violence, suppression, judgment and abuse of human rights around the world however. Using a full scale war as a metric is stupid.

Wars and violence usually boil down to

Money
Power
Land
Greed
Religion
Drugs/Alcohol
Women (lol)

That sort of thing. If someone decided you were a dickhead that needed his skull caved in, a lack of religion would not be a factor into it.

However there are occasions where someone might feel compelled to strap a bomb to themselves and blow you up simply because their religion somehow demands you die.

Also many religious people also have abortions. A lot of religious people wank too (technically punishable by death if you believe one of the fables in the bible).

Do you consider masturbation a sin? Because religion does. Talk about control of other peoples lives!

The biggest supporters of abortion are secular.

Nonsense.

The biggest supporter of abortion is god. How many pregnant women and actual babies did he drown, out-and-out murder, during the great flood?

Btw way, where do you think the definition of symptoms of Type II Diabetes comes from? Yes, that's right, from the very same doctors/medical establishments that you claim to distrust and avoid because of their evil demonic quackery.  The very same ones that could provide life saving insulin to your 8 year old that you would deny and let him die as a result.

So now you're saying that you do trust these same folks to provide you with the correct diagnostic criteria for what ails you? You don't see a conflict in that?

Just another example of your contradictions and hypocrisy when it comes to all things, whether it be science, medicine, or god. Not to mention you apparently don't even know anything about christianity...

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

When:
Altruism is an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. An altruistic person gives generously of time and resources for no personal gain, and often at personal risk. A major theme of the Bible is godly altruism. As far back as the Mosaic Law, the Bible records God’s desire that His people care for the widows, the orphans, and the poor in their communities (Deuteronomy 26:12; Psalm 68:5; Zechariah 27:10). In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

That's your read on it.

What Jesus actually said is that you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He said love others as yourself.

Meaning since I don't want to have a world where people interfere even with my right to die in my own home when it's time, I don't go around telling little kids "you need to take your medicine", when they say it hurts or it's yucky.

Not altruism.

Equivalency.

Judaism already taught altruism. The Jews were currently suffering under the worst oppression you can imagine, made even worse by the fact they interpreted God as wanting them to sacrifice. Jesus told them to treat others as well as they wanted to be treated.
Calling something "godly" doesn't mean it is what God wants, it means it is what human beings wrote God wants. I edit my Bible precisely because I do not believe 100% of it sounds unedited in the first place, and want a Bible that reflects things that sound true.

And I reject the same canon that Luther rejected (particularly Revelation, but also...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther%27s_canon

But he thereby brought Paul into direct verbal conflict with James, who says (James 2:24), "by works a man is justified, and not only by faith" ("nicht durch den Glauben allein"). It is well known that Luther deemed it impossible to harmonize the two apostles in this article, and characterized the Epistle of James as an "epistle of straw," because it had no evangelical character

I just watch La Traviata cuz parents were going to Richmond to see folks and they'd booked it.
First of all, there was no sister. She is never named, and Violetta shoulda called the manipulating old man out on it. Second, had she said no to his demands, TB is a disease that gets better with country air. She and Alfredo literally would have lived happily (But there'd be no more plot).

The point being, if God came to the world, would he tell people "I need even more self-sacrifice"? No, but he doesn't tell them either "Just keep raping and killing each other, that's what I want." He tells them that the way they treat others reflects back on the way they are treated, and if they don't want crap thrown on them, they shouldn't give crap on others.

For his trouble, he gets the biggest load of crap thrown on him (crucifixion? Really?), and people continue to think he taught about altruism, by the very people who are least altruistic.

Islam and atheism most think you will somehow be rewarded for hurting others. No. It is mercy that you aren't punished. You need to stop deluding yourself about how good you are. Not that Christians are perfect either, but they explicitly say that "everyone has sinned."
 The point, that's it. Understand you aren't perfect, stop treating yourself as the person who gets to tell others what to do. So this means, if you don't want to believe in a flat Earth that's on you (I only will tell you why it works for me), and likewise you don't have the right to tell me what medical decisions I can make.

That's your read on it.

It's not my "read" on it. You're seriously going to stick to:

There is no requirement in the Bible to be altruistic.

That the bible teaches "every man for himself"? You know pretty much every scholarly and non-scholarlry good christian would disagree with this. It's way more your read on it, not mine and everyone elses'. But your read does seem to play into your lack of compassion and charity wheelhouse.

To say christianity doesn't teach and promote altruism, whether in practice or not, is simply wrong and shows how little you actually know about the faith. Though you claim to know everything.

What Jesus actually said is that you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He said love others as yourself.

Meaning since I don't want to have a world where people interfere even with my right to die in my own home when it's time, I don't go around telling little kids "you need to take your medicine", when they say it hurts or it's yucky.

Not altruism.

Equivalency.

Incorrect. Equivalency would be raising others to your level, equal. That is not charity, nor altruism. Christianity teaches people to help others, simple as that. Altruistically, without strings. In your bizarre world of "equivalency" someone who is rich would have to give to others to make them as rich. That is wildly wrong.

In the New Testament, James 1:27 says, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
Altruism is taught throughout Scriptures in a variety of ways. First, God commanded that His people “love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18, 34; Galatians 5:14). Then Jesus modeled altruism during His years on earth (Matthew 7:12; Mark 10:42–45; John 13:3–5). And the New Testament writers echoed that theme by urging Christians to “do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others” (Philippians 2:3–4). Paul explained that Christians must “learn to devote themselves to doing what is good, in order to provide for urgent needs and not live unproductive lives” (Titus 3:14).

You don't know what you are talking about and are just making things up as usual to support your internal narrative.

The Bible does not teach "every man for himself".

And that's your read on what I just said. You really need to learn to read.

It's simple.

If you live a life identical to a typical woke atheist... you will die.

If you live a righteous life according to the Jewish covenant... you will die.

Buddhism eightfold path... you will die.

And so on.

What, you think I'm going to tell you that Christians somehow are exempt?

The wages of sin is death. This very night, I could die in my sleep, for sin I committed more than an hour ago.

All of us sin, all of us pay the penalty. What Christianity teaches.
1. Treating others as you wanna be treated makes life bearable, especially if the people at the other end of the equation have even basic respect for your right to privacy, a quiet life, and basic freedoms.
1b. Of course, if they are total assholes, the most sensible thing to do is remind them that you do want to be ignored so you will ignore them. I don't care what you think.
2. The Bible taught morality, not altruism. The purpose of morality was that God would presumably reward righteousness with things like long life. Read this again. They were serving God, not because of no strings attached selflessness, but because God made several vows in reward for their loyalty. Now, yes, there were people like Hosea, who loved God in the same way as God loved Israel, as a love of a man for an unfaithful wife. But the inherent teaching of the Bible is that you follow God because he has promised you a land, he has promised protection of your land and people, and that while you dwell in Israel in righteousness, the land is fertile, flowing in milk and honey.
3. But even in the story of Job, there is a sense that God is not some lifeless set of laws, but a person with desires. An immortal person, yes, but we see God testing Job who has 
tried to follow the law his whole life.
4. Which brings us to the point. You cannot follow God's law. It will never ever be enough. You confuse morality for altruism, but you could give everything you have, and die in poverty, while the law system (not God) declares the rich forgiven. That's the meaning of the parable of the widow's mite. Not that "she gave everything she had, how virtuous!" but "she gave everything she had to live on".
5. The law then, is viewed as a curse.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"

 In other words, asking to not be bothered medically is a valid request, and the so-called teachers of altruism are the worst sorts of hypocrites, for they expect everyone around them to sacrifice, but they never sacrifice themselves.

What have you sacrificed? Are you aware how the COVID "science" left many people impoverished, as they were booted from their jobs? Are you aware that it's one thing to say, "You need to take this medicine," but quite another to not even have the money to take a medicine every day, the rest of my life? If I had cancer or this imaginary child, you'd demand we spend our last dollar on chemo and/ or radiation or else "we hadn't tried enough."

Teachers of altruism beat other people over the head about how they haven't been selfless enough.

But Jesus says “love your neighbor as yourself. " Equivalency, not altuism. And he's quoting what was interpreted already as one of the two greatest commandments, the other being to love God entirely. In other words this isnot a new teaching, it is the core teaching even of Judaism, and they lost sight of it.

Jesus also tells of people who are "altruistic" doing good deeds in order to brag or be praised. Virtue signalling. But I tell you, you've been rewarded by empty praise. Nothing about what you did was virtuous, and now you have the evil to tell others to sacrifice, when nothing you did was for anything but praise.

The human heart is incapable of pure altruism because it is self-seeking and prideful by default (Jeremiah 17:9). In other words, attempting to be selfless is inherently dishonest. The model to live by is expecting the same standards for others as self. Rather what Bible really taught was that that goodness is nor something we earn, but an outpouring from the grace we already receive.

https://pjmedia.com/culture/walter-hudson/2014/04/06/altruism-has-no-place-in-christianity-n151291

“It is better to give than to receive.” How often have we heard that? The motto of the altruist, this would-be-proverb exhorts us to act for others at our expense. Among the vast culture of Christendom, altruism has been adopted as a tenant of the faith by many if not most believers. Churchgoers are encouraged to give sacrificially, which generally gets interpreted as giving until it hurts.

Yet careful examination of scripture suggests that altruism has no place in the Christian life. Consider this from pastor and theologian John Piper:

After my message to the Liberty University student body [in September of 2013], a perceptive student asked this clarifying question: So you don’t believe that altruistic acts are possible or desirable?

I asked for his definition of altruism so that I could answer what he was really asking. He said, “Doing a good deed for others with no view to any reward.” I answered: that’s right, whether or not it’s possible, I don’t think it’s desirable, because it’s not what the Bible teaches us to do; and it’s not what people experience as genuine love. Because it isn’t genuine love.

What does Piper mean by that? Consider that the phrase “it is better to give than to receive” does not actually appear in scripture. Instead, Acts 20:35 reads:

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

More blessed for who? The Contemporary English Version translates it this way. “More blessings come from giving than from receiving.” The New Life Version among others translates it another way. “We are more happy when we give than when we receive.” Christ, according to Paul, tells us we are better off helping the weak than being among the weak who require help.

In other words, not that giving or receiving is better, but if you're on the receiving end, it means you're poor. Being poor sucks.

Reflecting upon the second part of Piper’s assertion, that giving without expectation of reward is “not what people experience as genuine love,” we can prove the worthlessness of altruism through our own experience. Imagine how your wife would react if you bought her a tremendous bouquet of her favorite flowers and said, “This cost me $100 that I would have rather spent on myself.” Try it and get back to me.

Most people don’t want to be “a charity case,” which is to say they don’t want to receive from pity or a begrudging sense of obligation. What makes a gift a gift is the love imbued within it. Otherwise, it’s just a handout.

We're assuming a joint account.

Instead, the model we have of giving is Christmas. Hopefully, you remember the actual guest of the birthday party, but Jesus's birthday, even with all the commercial nonsense, is a party where people give each other gifts.
They do to others as they want done to them. They share presents both ways. And as you get older and don't need presents as much, Christmas instead is about mutually agreed on family time. Or whatever else.

Altruism is not genuine love. I know this from experience, having done several volunteer stints, and become fed up by how used I felt. I was hoping the volunteering led to work, instead they thanked me, and I was expected to keep coming in. What I actually wanted, to find friends that liked me back, not a bunch of cheap users, was never paid to me. Failing that, money was okay (but from sucky jobs, sometimes not really worth it).

Christian giving promotes life and health. Altruism promotes starvation and death. Altruism redistributes. Christian giving transacts. Christ’s own words assure us of greater blessing in giving than receiving. Christian giving leaves us better off, not worse. Altruism therefore proves atheistic, as Piper declares. We will never give more to others than God will give to us.

And here indeed is someone who is not a Christian quoting scripture to convince me of something that is not so. Sorry pal, I know better. You're a con artist hoping to swindle the public into poverty. A "socialist of plenty". I've seen the houses of such people. Greta Thunberg is a millionaire. I have worked my whole life, and my average income was about $8000. I could work 100 years and not make what that "altruistic" twit made in about two to four years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_liberal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist
Since you have such a bleeding heart about this imaginary child of mine, here's an idea.
You help them. Make a GoFundMe paying for this kid's insulin for the next fifty years. The caveat is that I've not going to tell him how to use it. It by default goes into a trust to give him the medicine, but he can also ask me for the money and instead carry out a bucket list. Because I believe children have the right to live their lives without meddling from hypocrites.

Bulmafaggot, time to pack up this troll shtick of yours and find something new. Nobody is buying that your some religious geek who adheres to the faith. Because the shit you come out with is nonsense. Even for the religion

Close the porno pages tabs, pull up your pants and get yourself a job. You embarrass yourself

The Bible does not teach "every man for himself".

And that's your read on what I just said. You really need to learn to read.

I never said it did. It's your claim that the bible doesn't teach, promote altruism. And, you are wrong.

Yet careful examination of scripture suggests that altruism has no place in the Christian life. Consider this from pastor and theologian John Piper:

Why do immediately glom on to this "expert", this John Piper guy. You're like, "Hey, look here, I found one guy on the internet who agrees with me!!!"
I don't buy anything he says...He's for spousal abuse...

Piper infamously said of wives being abused by their husbands. He quipped, “If it’s not requiring her to sin, but simply hurting her, then I think she endures verbal abuse for a reason, she endures perhaps being smacked one night.”

Not to mention cringe worthy...

Piper suggested that while “there is something sexually stimulating” about muscular women, “it probably means the sexual encounter that such an image would lead to is something very hasty and volatile, and in the long run unsatisfying.”

And he has some sort of master/slave fetish...

Piper has demonstrated grave errors in his theological judgment. Chief among these is that his rhetoric is identical to those of chattel slavery apologists. Because (so goes the argument) an explicit call to abolition never was given in the New Testament, but explicit instructions to masters and slaves do occur in the household codes, slavery is a divine hierarchical relationship that must be righteously ordered.

Contrary to the Apostle Paul...

Galatians 3:28 under the inspiration of the Spirit, “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Seems this Piper guy didn't really set a solid precedent...

John Piper’s Successor Latest to Resign as Allegations of Abusive Leadership Mount at Bethlehem Baptist
The successor to John Piper at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis this week resigned in what appears to be a major shake-up at the church amid allegations of toxic and abusive leadership.
Piper’s successor, Jason Meyer, is the fourth pastor to resign from Bethlehem in the past four months.

“At Bethlehem . . . there’s harm being done,” Pickering said. “There’s unethical behavior. There’s domineering. There’s bullying. . . . cultural, damaging behavior that’s being done, and has been done, for a long time.”

You pick the worst people as sources to support your personal narrative. You end up knowing less about christianity than I do.

So what.

Should we dig up the stuff YOU have been up to?

I bet you're too embarrassed to tell me.

Or like most of the population, when asked, you present a whitewashed version of your life, that other people are supposed to believe but I know better.

Yeah uhhh, the family that I looked up to as a children are basically in a marriage where he's being verbally abused all day long about one instance of talking he did with some girl (not even the really juicy stuff), and nothing he says can convince her otherwise.

21 Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”

22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven!

23 “Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him. 24 In the process, one of his debtors was brought in who owed him millions of dollars. 25 He couldn’t pay, so his master ordered that he be sold—along with his wife, his children, and everything he owned—to pay the debt.

26 “But the man fell down before his master and begged him, ‘Please, be patient with me, and I will pay it all.’ 27 Then his master was filled with pity for him, and he released him and forgave his debt.

28 “But when the man left the king, he went to a fellow servant who owed him a few thousand dollars.[d] He grabbed him by the throat and demanded instant payment.

29 “His fellow servant fell down before him and begged for a little more time. ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it,’ he pleaded. 30 But his creditor wouldn’t wait. He had the man arrested and put in prison until the debt could be paid in full.

31 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened. 32 Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34 Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

All of us are flawed and are now treated better than we deserve. If you do not realize this and instead go around pointing people and going "Ahhh hah! He isn't so perfect after all!" Yeah, congratulations , you found out that Christians have flaws like the rest of us. You know what? They don't teach perfection. Maybe some of the followers think "be perfect, as God is perfect" too much means they can't make a mistake.

 But read what Paul says.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Even Paul, a notorious boaster admits that he has some sort of private sin, though he won't admit what it is, because he's a notorious boaster.

So what.

Finding one slave/master loving, beating your wife is warranted, abusive god guy on the internet who happens to agree with you is pathetic. That's so what. When the vast majority of christian scholars, ministers, pastors, priests, patrons, church goers, bible thumpers all wildly disagree with your warped interpretation of the bible. That's so what.
Your MO seems to be that you know better than anyone else about everything. It's quite remarkable the level of your hubris. It's off the charts.  And it has never occurred to you that you may be mistaken even when confronted with mountains of information that shows you are.

And the hypocrisy. Doctors and modern medicine are evil, yet you diagnose yourself using doctor and modern medicine information. All the way to, "I'm the sole determiner of how the bible should be interpreted." You cast a very wide net of arrogance. That's so what.