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« Reply #2700 on: January 04, 2023, 08:13:11 PM »
Imagine giving your life for your countries stupid war, only to be reduced to absolutely nothing because your leadership is too embarrased to say you were killed. So your sacrifice and effort is completely erased.

You are just forgotten, left to rot in a foreign land as if you never existed.

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« Reply #2701 on: January 04, 2023, 09:44:57 PM »
Imagine giving your life for your countries stupid war, only to be reduced to absolutely nothing because your leadership is too embarrased to say you were killed. So your sacrifice and effort is completely erased.

You are just forgotten, left to rot in a foreign land as if you never existed.

And your parents drive away, smiles on their faces, IN A BRAND NEW CAR!
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« Reply #2702 on: January 07, 2023, 07:23:12 PM »
I really don't know what to make of an army that sacrifices soldiers like this...   This is near Bakhmut...



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« Reply #2703 on: January 07, 2023, 10:33:12 PM »
I blame it on Genghis Khan.
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« Reply #2704 on: January 10, 2023, 03:55:56 PM »
I blame you, personally.
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« Reply #2705 on: January 12, 2023, 12:58:58 AM »
I will bring you to repentance, I will lay low your pride.

You've had a rough two weeks time lately, huh.
I'm sorry Crouton.

I didn't do this to you, obviously it's far beyond the scope of my influence. After I was told to tell you that I genuinely felt bad for you. I thought that you were in for a rough time.

All your technology, all your manpower, all your funding, all your infrastructure and all your power and influence are nothing, compared to Him.

If He tells me to command a mountain to move and I command the mountain to move, verily, verily it will have no choice but to move and yeild.

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« Reply #2706 on: January 12, 2023, 02:02:40 AM »
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-claims-to-have-killed-more-than-100-russians-in-missile-strike/news-story/249629d542860d8cf3d8ea24b1f9204e
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More than 100 Russian soldiers have been killed in a missile strike in eastern Ukraine, Kyiv claims.

The Russians had grouped together near the town of Soledar, in eastern Ukraine, where one of the bloodiest battles of the war is playing out.

Ukraine’s military said the Russians “went together to Hell” as missiles and bullets rained down on them in a co-ordinated attack.

Kyiv’s military said: “More than 100 Russian soldiers went together to Hell in the Soledar area. This happened thanks to the coordinated work of SSO soldiers, gunners, and rocket launchers.

“The concentration of the enemy in several areas was discovered by the operators of the Special Operations Forces. Artillery was directed at the enemy, and the Tochka-U tactical missile complex was also used in one of the areas.

“As a result of these several strikes, the destruction of more than 100 occupiers, 2 machine gun positions and 2 mortars were confirmed.”

Hopefully there is truth to this. Sucked in to the Ruski invaders.  8)


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« Reply #2707 on: January 12, 2023, 02:06:18 AM »
All of this pain and death could have been avoided. It's not right to celebrate death.

No one thinks that if Russia started setting up military bases in Mexico that the US wouldn't invade and annex Mexico with overwhelming force.

However, Russia isn't putting military bases in Mexico.
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« Reply #2708 on: January 12, 2023, 02:24:00 AM »
All of this pain and death blah blah blah

Russia could end the war today if it wanted. If the pain and death of Russian invaders bothers you, maybe look to your hero Putin to put a stop to the madness

Otherwise Ukraine is well within its right to defend its sovereignty. If China decided that it found some diary of an explorer that found Australia before the British settled it and that all of Australia belonged to them, or if they get pissed because our Pine Gap facility is helping our American allies spy and monitor activities in their region so started landing hundreds of thousands of troops on our soil - pretty sure you would believe in Australias sovereignty and that the death of Chinese soldiers was acceptable


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« Reply #2709 on: January 12, 2023, 02:25:19 AM »
However, Russia isn't putting military bases in Mexico.

So, how many NATO bases are there in Ukraine that you think provoked Putin to invade?
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« Reply #2710 on: January 12, 2023, 02:37:51 AM »
In other news,  Poland has announced it is sending Leopard tanks for Ukraine,  and the UK is rumored to be sending Challenger Tanks.

The Challenger 2 is a game changer when it comes to infantry support.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/11/leopard-2s-from-poland-challenger-2s-from-the-united-kingdom-all-of-the-sudden-ukraine-is-getting-tanks-from-all-over-europe/

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« Reply #2711 on: January 12, 2023, 02:40:51 AM »
Oh I made everyone mad.

Hypocrites.

Are you located in pine gap, Shifter?
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« Reply #2712 on: January 12, 2023, 02:43:22 AM »
In other news,  Poland has announced it is sending Leopard tanks for Ukraine,  and the UK is rumored to be sending Challenger Tanks.

The Challenger 2 is a game changer when it comes to infantry support.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/11/leopard-2s-from-poland-challenger-2s-from-the-united-kingdom-all-of-the-sudden-ukraine-is-getting-tanks-from-all-over-europe/

Hopefully they still have a good number of the Aussie Bushmasters 8)

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« Reply #2713 on: January 12, 2023, 02:57:28 AM »
When can we call this ww3?
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« Reply #2714 on: January 12, 2023, 03:00:51 AM »
When can we call this ww3?

When your friend decides to use a nuke

Pretty sure you would find some excuse to justify that too like you justify every other atrocity

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« Reply #2715 on: January 12, 2023, 03:08:36 AM »
Wait so ww2 wasn't ww2 until America nuked two Japanese civilian cities, after Germany had already been defeated?

Why don't we all just step away from the brink. Russia and Ukraine are both Christian nations, if Ukraine wasn't a US satellite state they would have been happy to honor Russia's demands.



No one believes America and NATO are doing this because they have peoples best interests at heart.

Your narrative is like paper, and His words like fire. The LORD rebukes you.
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« Reply #2716 on: January 12, 2023, 03:22:18 AM »
Wait so ww2 wasn't ww2 until America nuked two Japanese civilian cities, after Germany had already been defeated?

Why don't we all just step away from the brink. Russia and Ukraine are both Christian nations, if Ukraine wasn't a US satellite state they would have been happy to honor Russia's demands.

No one believes America and NATO are doing this because they have peoples best interests at heart.

Your narrative is like paper, and His words like fire. The LORD rebukes you.

What did capitulating to Hitler do for us?

What do you think capitulating to Putin will do?

Why dont you say Russia should step away from the brink? Who is the country using the inflammatory language and threats of such weapons?


And why repeat history? Telling Putin to fuck off is exactly how we need to handle his ambitions. Just like we should have told Hitler to fuck right off

Ukraine has every right to its sovereignty. They can be friends and allies with whoever they want. Russia has zero say. If Ukraine wanted to join NATO, that's Ukraines prerogative to try.

Do you seriously think Russia would stop at Ukraine? If NATO being on their 'doorstep' was so triggering for them then perhaps after annexing Ukraine, what do you think  they would find with Poland being a NATO member? Cool with it?


You are every kind of stupid and disgusting. Keep supporting Russia as they target civilians and kidnap children they orphan. Continue to support the genocide because we all know that is the kind of guy you are. Not sure who you think you are fooling with your 'I'm such a nice Christian and Jesus loves me' bullshit. No one believes you are of faith.

If you honestly believed it, you would find Russias invasion and ambitions to be beyond the pale. Yet here you are - doing the stark opposite. Such a shit troll effort

I dare you to say Russia should leave Ukraine alone. Go on, say it. Russia should fuck off and end the war today. It can, and it should.


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« Reply #2717 on: January 12, 2023, 03:24:40 AM »
NATO should end the war today. It can, and it should.



Did you know that there is a Ukrainian folk legend claiming that Prince Michael gave Elijah the thunder he took away from Satan?

It's not scriptural but it's beautiful.
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CS%5CA%5CSaintMichaeltheArchangel.htm

None of this is yours to play with.
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« Reply #2718 on: January 12, 2023, 03:33:49 AM »
NATO should end the war today. It can, and it should.

NATO isn't at war with Russia and isn't seeking one.

Obviously you are suggesting Ukraine lay down it's arms and surrender. Which would be the end of Ukraine

However if Russia ends the war, both countries survive


Obviously you are a fan of the genocide option. Predictable dipshit character flaw

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« Reply #2719 on: January 12, 2023, 03:51:09 AM »
NATO is indeed at war with Russia.
Ukraine would have fallen in a month if NATO hadn't carried them. So many lives would have been saved.

In any case Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine wasn't a US satellite state and Western Intelligence hadn't been openly hostile towards Russia for the last eight years.

This is in no way comparable to the war on terror that the US started after the 9/11 false flag, its a joke. No one actually believes that the US is a light unto the world anymore.

Can you interpret this passage for me Shifter?

10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days

What do you think the abomination that maketh desolate is?

What do you think Gabriel meant by "set up"?
https://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/12.htm
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« Reply #2720 on: January 12, 2023, 04:20:24 AM »
NATO is indeed at war with Russia.
Ukraine would have fallen in a month if NATO hadn't carried them. So many lives would have been saved.

In any case Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine wasn't a US satellite state and Western Intelligence hadn't been openly hostile towards Russia for the last eight years.

NATO supports Ukraines right to self defense and assists them. But there is no NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine or Russia. If there was and Russia was limited to conventional weapons, the war would be over in weeks too. It is only Russias threat of nuking the world (threats you obviously have been cool with) that is why NATO aren't in Ukraine.

Being an ally of America does not make one a 'satellite state'. Perhaps China would make the same assessment with Australia's alliance with America. But it would be dumb. Just like yours is dumb

What would your thinking be if China said to Australia 'We are going to own your country now. You must accept our government, our culture and our language as your own. If you resist, there will be millions of deaths. We are a nation of 1.4 billion. Your entire defense force combined doesn't even equal 85,000. Fight us or die'

And just when you think our allies could step up to assist they say 'yeah China is very generous here. You should take their offer because we dont want to see anyone die'

That's the level of absurdity that is Russias invasion of Ukraine and your thinking of how to solve it. You are a genocidal supporting dipshit and you can join your friends Hitler and Putin (and hey, even Pell will be there) in Hell  >:D


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« Reply #2721 on: January 12, 2023, 04:32:28 AM »
It would be more similar to England annexing Australia, in reality.

You must accept our government, culture and language as your own.

Oh no.

Ukraine has been a part of Russia for much longer than its been a separate country. No one ever wanted a genocide, nor is a genocide happening, just a protracted war. No one wanted to try to end Ukrainian as a distinct language or end Ukrainian culture.

How rich it is for you to talk about destroying culture when you're destroying culture and installing gay fascism in its place.

Russia just wanted assurances that Ukraine wouldn't be used as a puppet by the US and NATO to attack Russia......
Wait...
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« Reply #2722 on: January 12, 2023, 04:40:22 AM »
Much as it pains me, I have to agree with D1 on at least some of this.

Take a look at a map of Europe now and under the soviets, What was then Russia or the CCCP included the Baltic states, half of Germany, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Etcetera.
Look at it now with respect to the breakaway countries and who they are allies with now, in whose shadow of influence they now reside and apply that to the states of America or like D1 said all the south American countries like Nicaraqua that the benevolent US forced into becoming military juntas at war with their own people beholden to them and apply the reverse.

We didn’t supply Argentina with aid when Isabel Peron was overthrown, or the toppling of the Bolivian government because they wanted to set up people’s assemblies, or Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, etcetera ad-nauseum.
Look up operation Condor, Iran-Contra or the Banana wars and ask where this supposed western concern for the rights of people was then, or Oman and Egypt now.

I hate Putin, but I feel for his conscripted troops as much as I do for the citizens of Ukraine, because they are all victims of botched geo-political gerrymandering by fuckwits on both sides.


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« Reply #2723 on: January 12, 2023, 04:44:33 AM »

Much as it pains me, I have to agree with D1 on at least some of this.

Annex me senpai.


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« Reply #2724 on: January 12, 2023, 05:13:58 AM »
Russia never had to begin an invasion to defend itself. It's Putins stupid ambition to be back to the 'glory days' of the USSR and leaving himself some kind of legacy. Well he certainly will have a legacy now. Hope he enjoys his portrait sitting next to other figures like Hitler

The countries that used to be a part of the USSR can be friends with whoever they want. Just as Russia can be friends with who it wants. They can vote for whatever leader and policy they want. It doesn't matter that they used to be a part of a USSR. They are forging their own paths now and have that right. Most of Europe and Asias countries have had their land borders chopped and changed over the centuries. The USSR didn't 'always' exist and 'always have' Ukraine.  And in 1991 Ukraine gained its independence. Too bad for Putin but that independence means he has to butt out and doesn't dictate what goes on there anymore. He cant unilaterally decide who Ukraine can be friends with just as Australia cant decide who our neighbours can be friends with. We can be miffed at China attempting to gain influence over the smaller island nations but we cant tell those nations what to do or who they can make deals with


Other atrocities elsewhere in the world, like what's happening in Yemen or the free pass we give to Israel in their suppression and handling of Palestinian people is also disgusting, no question - those can have their own thread if people cared








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« Reply #2725 on: January 12, 2023, 06:27:27 AM »
You are missing the point, why did the US do what they did?

Because they feared the influence of the USSR and were willing to do anything including the destruction of democracy in their neighbours to halt that spread, 100’s of thousands of people died and were subjected to regimes of horror so that the US could feel safe.

That is what the Russians are doing (or were trying to do), and it was entirely predictable and avoidable, because it has played out so many times before.

So why did it happen? Because some one wanted it to, it’s a proxy war.

China, backed into it’s own corner by a surrounding cordon of missile bases was seriously thinking of flexing its rising status by taking Taiwan, so the west dumps all it’s weapons about to go out of date plus a few shiny new ones and uses its superiority in satellite spying to trash Putin after he had been allowed to think he could pull off this return to a greater Russia.

The recalcitrant Europeans are now spending more on weaponry for NATO, have had to draw away from closer ties to Russia and their economies are in disarray, fear of the east is back on the agenda and Kundalini wants his hand back.
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« Reply #2726 on: January 12, 2023, 07:57:29 AM »
Would we all be better served if Putin had just asked nicely that he wanted all of the former USSR states to come back under the mother Russia fold, and everyone just said, "Yes Vlad, buddy, we're cool with that. Peace out."?

Granted, every step every nation has made geopolitically over the last 80 years has led us to this. Few with good intentions, many not. But it's unclear what the desired converse methodology should have been and what the desired outcomes should be.

Maybe it's best if there were zero allegiances, none-allies. Every nation is simply Switzerland.

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« Reply #2727 on: January 12, 2023, 08:05:08 AM »
I like to think the world has changed a bit since the cold war era where every country involved towards one another was a shrouded mystery. These days our economies are so reliant to each other that it simply is not profitable to go to war against each other. Because you just destroy and annihilate your own customers

Russias 'We dont want Ukraine to join NATO because of security concerns' is a bit of a joke anyway. Maybe in the eyes of Putin, his geopolitical standing looks weaker - but honestly no one gives a damn about that image but Putin. But lets say they take Ukraine ... How many NATO countries would end up bordering the 'New Russia?'. They'd be in an even more 'precarious' position than before. There are already a few NATO countries bordering them as it is.

Ukraine's desire to join NATO is not up to Russia to decide. Besides, Russia has a nuclear deterrent. And if Russia stays in their lane, I doubt NATO would dare step foot on them. The only threat NATO poses for Russia is NATO troops on countries Russia would want to take. I highly doubt we are going to see NATO troops on Russian soil marching their way to Moscow. Or planes dropping bombs on Russian cities. That will never happen

The brutal reality for Russia is, the world doesn't give a damn to invade them.

Also no one calling for Ukraine to surrender is thinking about the longer term consequences of rewarding Russian belligerence. We did it with Hitler and look what that led to. There should be no doubt in anyones mind that Russia would not stop at Ukraine. Especially after being emboldened by an 'easy victory' (if we did nothing) and a NATO which is just talk

And pretty sure if Ukraine falls or we threw in the towel and told Ukraine we're done, we would have China emboldened to take Taiwan through force knowing the West is mostly talk. Our response to Russia's invasion certainly gave Xi Jinping pause about his ambitions in Taiwan I have no doubt


Also as hideous as America fucking over central America (and others) was, it simply and brutality for them, didn't have global implications. It's the same with say, Yemen. If Yemen was wiped off the face of the Earth, the global economy and everyone else's lives would chug along fine. Or China deciding the region of Xinjiang and Tibet and all its people are under their jurisdiction and authority (which it already does). It's disgusting what is happening there and elsewhere and there are dozens more countries where the populace is getting a royal fucking over either by their neighbours or their own brutal dictators and it's not making media attention simply because the implications dont affect us. If you want the world to give a damn, you need to have powerful friends and be a major exporter of goods. I have no doubt that if we weren't so dependent on Taiwans semi conductor tech, we would not give a damn what China does to them given no one recognises Taiwan's sovereignty as it is. (well we might have some stern words but that's about it).

Allowing a super power like Russia to take whatever country it wants, with a 'might is right' policy does have global implications for everyone far and wide. Especially Europe. Do we really believe they would stop at Ukraine? Who wants the USSR back? Do we really believe that it will be bloodless? I'd hazard a guess there will be far more deat hand destruction and global destablisation if we allow Russia it's victory

On the plus side of the war, Putins once feared army has been relegated to a joke. Even if they take Ukraine at this point, they might not dare tempt to take anything else now...


In Australia's case, China is trying to expand its influence in the South Pacific. It is believed the Chinese 'bribed' the Solomans Island leader that would allow Chinese naval ships to be stationed there. Of course, being the non corrupt law abiding global citizens we are, we aren't going to invade the Soloman Islands and dictate who they can sign deals and treaties with, even if we believe it was dodgy and corrupt. (That would be out of Americas old playbook). Our playbook was always to maintain friendly relations and help and support them with aid and infrastructure projects etc. Something our last government neglected and perhaps why China took advantage. In Australias (and other South Pacific nations cases), China really is a threat and has made no secret of it's goals and ambitions. China is the Russia of the south pacific (but thank god we all have water borders)

I am guessing the rising threat of China is why America and the UK in the AUKUS agreement help us acquire nuclear submarines. In one way, it's nice to see China squirm but in another way, it's a tool for escalation that could start trouble. But deescalation tactics only works when you have neighbours not interested in conflict I guess and China, well it does what it pleases.


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« Reply #2728 on: January 12, 2023, 08:23:08 AM »
In other news,  Poland has announced it is sending Leopard tanks for Ukraine,  and the UK is rumored to be sending Challenger Tanks.

The Challenger 2 is a game changer when it comes to infantry support.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/11/leopard-2s-from-poland-challenger-2s-from-the-united-kingdom-all-of-the-sudden-ukraine-is-getting-tanks-from-all-over-europe/

It's good news but at the same time a little depressing. This is a long term move. It takes time to fully integrate something like this. This tells me that we're planning for a conflict that might not end this year. But in the mean time hopefully these will do to Russian armor what Himars did to Russian logistics.
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Re: War
« Reply #2729 on: January 12, 2023, 08:52:38 AM »
Wait so ww2 wasn't ww2 until America nuked two Japanese civilian cities, after Germany had already been defeated?

Why don't we all just step away from the brink. Russia and Ukraine are both Christian nations, if Ukraine wasn't a US satellite state they would have been happy to honor Russia's demands.



No one believes America and NATO are doing this because they have peoples best interests at heart.

Your narrative is like paper, and His words like fire. The LORD rebukes you.

We are not at war with Russia. Without exaggeration we spend more tax payer money trolling the democrats on border security than we do on Ukraine.

But I agree. We should all step back. Ukrainian soldiers should return to Ukraine. Russian soldiers should return to Russia.

Also, Ukraine is not a Christian nation. Vladamir Putin himself said that it's a satanic nation.
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