Jwst launches in less than 3 hours

Quote from: Stash on March 28, 2022, 11:50:52 AM

Quote from: Calen on March 28, 2022, 10:45:57 AM

Why has this thread become an extention of Heiwa's bullshit?

It's a mystery.

In any case, here's where we are now:

I just made a comment as #8 of this thread some months ago. Of course the JWST is complete NASA shit.

Your opinions have been duly noted and dismissed as they are irrelevant. Moving on.

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --  Arthur C. Clarke

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --  Arthur C. Clarke

So what advanced, magic technology is JWST using to orbit L2?

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 08:38:30 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --  Arthur C. Clarke

y
So what advanced, magic technology is JWST using to orbit L2?

Just regular orbital mechanics that’s too advanced for you.

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 08:38:30 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --  Arthur C. Clarke

y
So what advanced, magic technology is JWST using to orbit L2?

Just regular orbital mechanics that’s too advanced for you.

Not really! JWST took of from Earth one day (topic) and started orbiting Earth at a certain altitude. I agree! Then another rocket increased the altitude of JWST in orbit, to where L2 is, so JWST orbits today Earth ... not L2 ... beyond the Moon that also orbits Earth.  It is just regular orbital dynamics of one body, JWST, that orbits another body, Earth, governed by invisible gravity forces between the two bodies. Newton can explain it. What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

Only YOU are saying that load of bullshit. Here is what NASA actually says

The James Webb Space Telescope will not be in orbit around the Earth, like the Hubble Space Telescope is - it will actually orbit the Sun, 1.5 million kilometers (1 million miles) away from the Earth at what is called the second Lagrange point or L2. What is special about this orbit is that it lets the telescope stay in line with the Earth as it moves around the Sun. This allows the satellite's large sunshield to protect the telescope from the light and heat of the Sun and Earth (and Moon).

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html


Took all of 2 seconds to debunk your bullshit. As usual, you are wrong. Stick to the other thread you hijacked or at least stay on point and on truth in this thread

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 02:22:40 AM

What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

Only YOU are saying that load of bullshit. Here is what NASA actually says

Quote

The James Webb Space Telescope will not be in orbit around the Earth, like the Hubble Space Telescope is - it will actually orbit the Sun, 1.5 million kilometers (1 million miles) away from the Earth at what is called the second Lagrange point or L2. What is special about this orbit is that it lets the telescope stay in line with the Earth as it moves around the Sun. This allows the satellite's large sunshield to protect the telescope from the light and heat of the Sun and Earth (and Moon).

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html


Took all of 2 seconds to debunk your bullshit. As usual, you are wrong. Stick to the other thread you hijacked or at least stay on point and on truth in this thread

Sorry Masalang the Torpedo. No spacecraft of any kind incl. the JWST bullshit can stop orbiting Earth and start orbiting the Sun. Do you really know what an orbit is?

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on March 29, 2022, 02:37:23 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 02:22:40 AM

What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

Only YOU are saying that load of bullshit. Here is what NASA actually says

Quote

The James Webb Space Telescope will not be in orbit around the Earth, like the Hubble Space Telescope is - it will actually orbit the Sun, 1.5 million kilometers (1 million miles) away from the Earth at what is called the second Lagrange point or L2. What is special about this orbit is that it lets the telescope stay in line with the Earth as it moves around the Sun. This allows the satellite's large sunshield to protect the telescope from the light and heat of the Sun and Earth (and Moon).

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html


Took all of 2 seconds to debunk your bullshit. As usual, you are wrong. Stick to the other thread you hijacked or at least stay on point and on truth in this thread

Sorry Masalang the Torpedo. No spacecraft of any kind incl. the JWST bullshit can stop orbiting Earth and start orbiting the Sun. Do you really know what an orbit is?

I have this inclination that Anders here uses the Sceptimatic approach to words and definitions.

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 05:38:29 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on March 29, 2022, 02:37:23 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 02:22:40 AM

What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

Only YOU are saying that load of bullshit. Here is what NASA actually says

Quote

The James Webb Space Telescope will not be in orbit around the Earth, like the Hubble Space Telescope is - it will actually orbit the Sun, 1.5 million kilometers (1 million miles) away from the Earth at what is called the second Lagrange point or L2. What is special about this orbit is that it lets the telescope stay in line with the Earth as it moves around the Sun. This allows the satellite's large sunshield to protect the telescope from the light and heat of the Sun and Earth (and Moon).

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html


Took all of 2 seconds to debunk your bullshit. As usual, you are wrong. Stick to the other thread you hijacked or at least stay on point and on truth in this thread

Sorry Masalang the Torpedo. No spacecraft of any kind incl. the JWST bullshit can stop orbiting Earth and start orbiting the Sun. Do you really know what an orbit is?

I have this inclination that Anders here uses the Sceptimatic approach to words and definitions.

Interesting ... but OT.

I have this inclination that Anders here uses the Sceptimatic approach to words and definitions.

Except that Sceptimatic displayed imagination.  Heiwa does not.

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathenmatically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!
 

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!

It wasn't off topic, as it was specifically related to your comment about the JWST. You decided to drag it more off topic though, because Heiwa I guess, and still not answer. How about a vacation, eh?

Quote from: Unconvinced on March 29, 2022, 12:59:47 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:55:45 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 08:38:30 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --  Arthur C. Clarke

y
So what advanced, magic technology is JWST using to orbit L2?

Just regular orbital mechanics that’s too advanced for you.

Not really! JWST took of from Earth one day (topic) and started orbiting Earth at a certain altitude. I agree! Then another rocket increased the altitude of JWST in orbit, to where L2 is, so JWST orbits today Earth ... not L2 ... beyond the Moon that also orbits Earth.  It is just regular orbital dynamics of one body, JWST, that orbits another body, Earth, governed by invisible gravity forces between the two bodies. Newton can explain it. What I cannot understand is that NASA insists that JWST started to orbit L2 instead, where ii is then pushed away by a solar wind, etc, etc. It doesn't make any sense.

As I said, you don’t understand it, so equate it with magic. 

Why has this thread become an extention of Heiwa's bullshit?

I have been informed, on multiple occasion it is because he is a troll.  This has been confirmed by a vast amount of experimental evidence.

He can copy-paste his crazy all day long, and anyone who reads more than 3 of his replies in a row can see that arguing gets you know where. I'm surprised he hasn't done this to all the threads, but the man has to have time for his naps I suppose.

I have also been informed not to feed the trolls.

But it's fun to yell at him.  I try not to, but every few weeks I still have to poke in one of the threads he has derailed, like this one.

Anyway.

I wonder what the first pictures are going to be.  NASA is keeping the targets secret, which is a good PR move.  Has everyone eagerly awaiting what cool stuff we will be seeing.  Something showy and well known I bet.  Moons of Jupiter and Saturn would be cool, aside from all the deep space objects.

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!

translation: I don't understand it so it must be fake!

translation: I don't understand it so it must be fake!

What's your favorite instrument on the JWST? 

I like the Slitless Spectrograph due to it being able to get high quality readings of planetary atmospheres and other cool stuff it can do.

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!

One, they do explain how, two you cane "carry energy with you" in the form of fuel. "Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later." What evidence do you have for this assertion.
There are simulations when you can make a rocket undergo orbital changes (e.g. Kerbal space program)
FInally, I noitce no mathematics.

One, they do explain how, two you cane "carry energy with you" in the form of fuel.

I read the JWST has a "potential" way to refuel it via robot drones, which tells me NASA has absolutely designed that functionality into it but isn't willing to say so because they never commit unless they are 100% sure something is going to work.

I'd be willing to bet they can refuel it, what do you think?

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 09:35:38 AM

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!

One, they do explain how, two you cane "carry energy with you" in the form of fuel. "Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later." What evidence do you have for this assertion.
There are simulations when you can make a rocket undergo orbital changes (e.g. Kerbal space program)
FInally, I noitce no mathematics.

Heiwa's whole thing, specifically about Apollo but applied to anything leaving LEO, is about fuel consumption and not being able to carry enough to do so.

But he has some bonkers calculations that have been destroyed by every forum going back a dozen or so years. And he has been banned from every forum, the likes of Apollo hoax, 911 truthers, general skeptics, across the web with the exception of this one, because he won't listen to anyone that calls him out on his ignorance.

All of this from I think the ApolloHoax.net forum a decade or so ago:

1) Heiwa kicks off his posts with his own “simplified” fuel calculations with, "Evidently it changes when fuel is consumed - but I keep it constant…”. Absolutely hilarious. Calculations based upon no change in mass due to fuel consumption pretty much blows up the his entire premise right out of the starting gate.

2) Astrodynamics professionals try and explain that no, his “simple” equations are incorrect.  "There are no "my" equations; there are only the proper equations.  Your "simplifications" based on your obviously limited knowledge of astrodynamics do not suffice.  I've given you the hint:  you must consider the natural logarithm of the ratio of start and end masses.” Again, hilarious. Just making up his own calculations with no connection to reality.

3) He gets called out with not being able to perform a simple middle school calculation:

Heiwa's: 2400^2 - 1500^2 = 3,510,000

And this

Reality: (2400-1500)^2 = 810,000

It goes on and on. On that forum alone there are dozens of pages where actual astrophysicists and aeronautics professionals try and teach him, but he would have none of it. Eventually banned. Same for every other forum. And it seems universal that no one believes he's an actual engineer, the notion defies logic given the uselessness of what he throws out.

I think that's why he says things like, "Calculations aren't needed," etc. Because he knows his are nonsense.

Eventually banned.

Can you be banned from requesting time on the Hubble, and now the JWST?

Like submitting a request like "I want to take a picture of that ugly-ass star in the Big Dipper which should be called the Large Bobber as explained on my website".

I wonder if someone at NASA is debating if they should cancel all the requests from Russian astronomers?  They had to have at least had a meeting about it I guess?

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 30, 2022, 09:28:59 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 29, 2022, 09:35:38 AM

Quote from: blademan9999 on March 29, 2022, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 28, 2022, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 28, 2022, 04:01:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on March 27, 2022, 11:06:12 PM

Orbital mechanics need masses to orbit and L2 has no mass = no orbit. Actually JWST can only orbit Earth like the Moon.

Actually, orbital mechanics needs gravity to orbit.  Granted, there is no gravity at L2, but JWST is about 1 million miles away from L2 where there is gravity from the sun, earth and moon.

Almost correct. JWST is  just orbiting Earth all the time, which has a mass of unknown order. The JWST orbit/trajectory is a circle  around Earth. Like the Moon. Try to get out of it and start orbiting something else, e.g. L2 with no mass, you are a magician. BTW the Sun also orbits the Earth or vice versa. It is a mystery. I think there are other forces at play than gravity. Ever heard of Hannes Alfvén? http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb1.htm

Explain mathematically exactly what makes orbiting another object impossible?

Thanks for asking. Your question is OT! But anyway. Any object, e.g. a satellite, JWST or space craft being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, can only orbit Earth. Nothing else. It cannot start orbiting the Sun or the Moon and land on the Moon or similar, incl. L2. Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later. You cannot carry the energy with you to stop or change your orbital trajectory.
You can of course just go straight up into space until you run out of fuel. No orbit. After a while you stop and drop down back on Earth. End of trip. NASA and ESA experts disagree of course with me, but they cannot explain how to change orbits in space with available energy/fuel aboard. That is why all space trips are one-way only with no safe return. It means that humans cannot travel in space. Much better to send robots. Robots do not need toilets. Only NASA and ESA train asstronuts to go to the International Space Station, ISS, to be weightless clowns on TV and get famous. But there is no toilet on the ISS. Guess why!

One, they do explain how, two you cane "carry energy with you" in the form of fuel. "Reason is that the speed, when being ejected from Earth into an orbit in space, is too big to change the orbit later." What evidence do you have for this assertion.
There are simulations when you can make a rocket undergo orbital changes (e.g. Kerbal space program)
FInally, I noitce no mathematics.

Heiwa's whole thing, specifically about Apollo but applied to anything leaving LEO, is about fuel consumption and not being able to carry enough to do so.

But he has some bonkers calculations that have been destroyed by every forum going back a dozen or so years. And he has been banned from every forum, the likes of Apollo hoax, 911 truthers, general skeptics, across the web with the exception of this one, because he won't listen to anyone that calls him out on his ignorance.

All of this from I think the ApolloHoax.net forum a decade or so ago:

1) Heiwa kicks off his posts with his own “simplified” fuel calculations with, "Evidently it changes when fuel is consumed - but I keep it constant…”. Absolutely hilarious. Calculations based upon no change in mass due to fuel consumption pretty much blows up the his entire premise right out of the starting gate.

2) Astrodynamics professionals try and explain that no, his “simple” equations are incorrect.  "There are no "my" equations; there are only the proper equations.  Your "simplifications" based on your obviously limited knowledge of astrodynamics do not suffice.  I've given you the hint:  you must consider the natural logarithm of the ratio of start and end masses.” Again, hilarious. Just making up his own calculations with no connection to reality.

3) He gets called out with not being able to perform a simple middle school calculation:

Heiwa's: 2400^2 - 1500^2 = 3,510,000

And this

Reality: (2400-1500)^2 = 810,000

It goes on and on. On that forum alone there are dozens of pages where actual astrophysicists and aeronautics professionals try and teach him, but he would have none of it. Eventually banned. Same for every other forum. And it seems universal that no one believes he's an actual engineer, the notion defies logic given the uselessness of what he throws out.

I think that's why he says things like, "Calculations aren't needed," etc. Because he knows his are nonsense.

there was all of that and then multiple times where he was caught multiple times changing the rules of his fraudulent "challenges" when people that knew what they were talking about were able to supply the information. Also, even back on apollohoax.net he was accused of being a bot but it is only recently here that he's tried to refute it.

More of humble Hubble:

Meet Earendel, the most distant star ever detected
The star, imaged by the Hubble telescope, shone just 900 million years after the Big Bang



Can't wait to see what JWST brings to the table.

More of humble Hubble:

Meet Earendel, the most distant star ever detected
The star, imaged by the Hubble telescope, shone just 900 million years after the Big Bang



Can't wait to see what JWST brings to the table.

I'm going to bet that the JWST will be imaging that star with various instruments.

Quote from: Stash on March 31, 2022, 02:19:39 PM

More of humble Hubble:

Meet Earendel, the most distant star ever detected
The star, imaged by the Hubble telescope, shone just 900 million years after the Big Bang



Can't wait to see what JWST brings to the table.

I'm going to bet that the JWST will be imaging that star with various instruments.

For sure. I'm just glad Hubble still has some tricks up it's sleeve. And JWST will be exponentially even better.

But let's not forget that "fully 12.8 billion years passed before the light reached the Hubble Space Telescope, magnified by a lucky trick of gravity to appear as a tiny smudge of photons on Hubble’s image sensor. Earendel is 8.2 billion years older than the Sun and Earth and 12.1 billion years older than our planet’s first animals."
“This galaxy appears magnified and stretched into a long, thin crescent shape due to the gravitational lensing effect of a massive cluster of galaxies in the foreground,” said Brian Welch, a Johns Hopkins University astronomer and lead author of the Nature paper.
 
And now JWST shall detect even older photons from the beginning of the Universe! I wonder what they will look like. How will the JWST handle the lensing effect?

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!