Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?

Quote from: Stash on March 02, 2021, 01:34:26 PM

What are the dates on all of those? A year ago? When authorities were pleading with the general public not to buy surgical/N95 masks because they were in short supply and PPP was desperately needed in medical facilities.

Funny, not one of those pleas made by authorities include the words "short supply." They all include the words, "useless."

Did you sleep through last year?  The shortage of N95 masks was major news for most of it.  Trump even toured a mask facility, you surely remember that?

April, 2020 - https://www.nytimes.com/article/face-masks-coronavirus.html

"The C.D.C. now recommends that everyone wear face coverings in public settings, like pharmacies and grocery stores, to avoid unwittingly spreading the virus. Public health officials have continued to stress, however, that N95 masks and surgical masks should be saved for front-line doctors and nurses, who have been in dire need of protective gear."

Quit lying and making up your bullshit.  Wear your mask and at least pretend to be a human being who cares about others.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 02, 2021, 04:01:10 PM

Any study has possible limitations. Nonetheless, the studies are negative on the effectiveness of masks.

CDC says that the masks don't work either, despite their recommendation.

http://www.insidefortlauderdale.com/2233/Masks-Dont-Work

Masks Don't Work



Lastest CDC study finds that we're WASTING OUR TIME wearing masks.

Analysis from a Surgeon who has done 10,000 procedures:

"First, let's be clear. The premise that surgeons wearing masks serves as evidence that "masks must work to prevent viral transmission" is a logical fallacy that I would classify as an argument of false equivalence, or comparing "apples to oranges."

Although surgeons do wear masks to prevent their respiratory droplets from contaminating the surgical field and the exposed internal tissues of our surgical patients, that is about as far as the analogy extends. Obviously, surgeons cannot "socially distance" from their surgical patients (unless we use robotic surgical devices, in which case, I would definitely not wear a mask).

The CoVID-19 pandemic is about viral transmission. Surgical and cloth masks do nothing to prevent viral transmission. We should all realize by now that face masks have never been shown to prevent or protect against viral transmission. Which is exactly why they have never been recommended for use during the seasonal flu outbreak, epidemics, or previous pandemics."

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-masks/

"Once again it appears there are conflicting facts, data and plenty of opinions about the efficacy of wearing masks to prevent contracting the Coronavirus.

In addition to causing 'maskne' and skin infections on the face and around the mouth, persistent coughing, 'mask mouth,' and respiratory illnesses including lung infections, it turns out that most everyone infected with COVID-19 'always' wore masks, according to a newly published study by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention."

Your disingenuousness knows no bounds. In the news article there's a link to the study it references. At the top of the study in a box it says this:

"The authors of this article, published in 2015, have written a response to their work in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. We urge our readers to consider the response when reading the article. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.responses#covid-19-shortages-of-masks-and-the-use-of-cloth-masks-as-a-last-resort"




From the response:

"Health workers are asking us if they should wear no mask at all if cloth masks are the only option. Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected. We recommend that health workers should not work during the COVID-19 pandemic without respiratory protection as a matter of work health and safety.

It is important to note that some subjects in the control arm wore surgical masks, which could explain why cloth masks performed poorly compared to the control group. We also did an analysis of all mask wearers, and the higher infection rate in cloth mask group persisted. The cloth masks may have been worse in our study because they were not washed well enough – they may become damp and contaminated. The cloth masks used in our study were products manufactured locally, and fabrics can vary in quality. This and other limitations were also discussed.

Governments and hospitals should plan and stockpile proper disposable products such as respirators and surgical masks to ensure the occupational health and safety of health workers. This appears to have been a failure in many countries, including high income countries."
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577?fbclid=IwAR10n4XuIqgKFZQDEItYH73EhB0qLO78nid8PmRXeKHJ-1U2p9il5feY830

Funny, you avowed champion of science are perfectly okay with accepting random muses purporting to be legitimate scientific studies with no legitimate control groups at all.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:38:57 AM

Quote from: Stash on March 02, 2021, 01:34:26 PM

What are the dates on all of those? A year ago? When authorities were pleading with the general public not to buy surgical/N95 masks because they were in short supply and PPP was desperately needed in medical facilities.

Funny, not one of those pleas made by authorities include the words "short supply." They all include the words, "useless."

Did you sleep through last year?  The shortage of N95 masks was major news for most of it.  Trump even toured a mask facility, you surely remember that?

April, 2020 - https://www.nytimes.com/article/face-masks-coronavirus.html

"The C.D.C. now recommends that everyone wear face coverings in public settings, like pharmacies and grocery stores, to avoid unwittingly spreading the virus. Public health officials have continued to stress, however, that N95 masks and surgical masks should be saved for front-line doctors and nurses, who have been in dire need of protective gear."

Quit lying and making up your bullshit.  Wear your mask and at least pretend to be a human being who cares about others.

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Funny, you avowed champion of science are perfectly okay with accepting random muses purporting to be legitimate scientific studies with no legitimate control groups at all.

Funny, you right wingers ALWAYS pick the side of any problem that will cause the most harm to people and cause you the least inconvenience.

Wear your mask, it won't kill you but not wearing it will just spread disease and misery to others.

Quit being a selfish wimp. It's just a mask, man up.

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:46:25 AM

Funny, you avowed champion of science are perfectly okay with accepting random muses purporting to be legitimate scientific studies with no legitimate control groups at all.

Funny, you right wingers ALWAYS pick the side of any problem that will cause the most harm to people and cause you the least inconvenience.

Wear your mask, it won't kill you but not wearing it will just spread disease and misery to others.

Quit being a selfish wimp. It's just a mask, man up.

You wear yours.

You need it, for a multitude of reasons, but not to save others, except from the sheer horror your visage evinces in public view.

Me, I don't have that problem. People love to look at me and hear me speak.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's person to person mode of transmission.

The M. avium pandemic is coming down from the atmosphere, masks won't help.

Czech Republic: 10,65 million people, 12% of the population is infected. They wore masks like no one else did, before everyone else did.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

I understand exactly why people are wearing them, and it certainly isn't borne from some stupid sense of empathy, like you claim.

It is just from stupidity, with which you are quite familiar.

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:50:12 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:46:25 AM

Funny, you avowed champion of science are perfectly okay with accepting random muses purporting to be legitimate scientific studies with no legitimate control groups at all.

Funny, you right wingers ALWAYS pick the side of any problem that will cause the most harm to people and cause you the least inconvenience.

Wear your mask, it won't kill you but not wearing it will just spread disease and misery to others.

Quit being a selfish wimp. It's just a mask, man up.

You wear yours.

You need it, for a multitude of reasons, but not to save others, except from the sheer horror your visage evinces in public view.

Me, I don't have that problem. People love to look at me and hear me speak.

I'm sorry wearing a mask is so hard for you that you are willing to pass diseases and suffering on to others.

Just to save yourself a little discomfort.  And because your God Trump didn't wear one.  What a selfish, terrible person you are.

Selfish and ignorant, and from how much you talk up how pretty you are... well what a clear cut case of projection and envy you have.

Not that it matters... your horrifyingly ugly on the inside.  That sadly can't be changed no matter how much make up and lipstick you wear.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

Oh yes, now your true nature comes out.  Wearing masks is woke culture?  Sorry, your side turned the simple act of wearing a mask to protect others into a political attack tool, and in the processes half a million Americans are dead.

You don't wear a mask because you are blindly, ignorantly following your glorious leader and because your such a selfish prick you wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone else.

You think spit doesn't come out of your mouth when you talk? Does that only happen in operating rooms? That's the dumbest thing you said all day and THAT is a hard bar to surpass. Jesus.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:55:38 AM

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:50:12 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:46:25 AM

Funny, you avowed champion of science are perfectly okay with accepting random muses purporting to be legitimate scientific studies with no legitimate control groups at all.

Funny, you right wingers ALWAYS pick the side of any problem that will cause the most harm to people and cause you the least inconvenience.

Wear your mask, it won't kill you but not wearing it will just spread disease and misery to others.

Quit being a selfish wimp. It's just a mask, man up.

You wear yours.

You need it, for a multitude of reasons, but not to save others, except from the sheer horror your visage evinces in public view.

Me, I don't have that problem. People love to look at me and hear me speak.

I'm sorry wearing a mask is so hard for you that you are willing to pass diseases and suffering on to others.

Just to save yourself a little discomfort.  And because your God Trump didn't wear one.  What a selfish, terrible person you are.

Selfish and ignorant, and from how much you talk up how pretty you are... well what a clear cut case of projection and envy you have.

Not that it matters... your horrifyingly ugly on the inside.  That sadly can't be changed no matter how much make up and lipstick you wear.

Now claims that masks can prevent all disease transmission.

Ignores the evidence indicating people that wear masks get sick at higher rates.

Ignores all other forms of death, showing 0 empathy for those.

Not a human at all is JJA.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:59:02 AM

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

Oh yes, now your true nature comes out.  Wearing masks is woke culture?  Sorry, your side turned the simple act of wearing a mask to protect others into a political attack tool, and in the processes half a million Americans are dead.

You don't wear a mask because you are blindly, ignorantly following your glorious leader and because your such a selfish prick you wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone else.

You think spit doesn't come out of your mouth when you talk? Does that only happen in operating rooms? That's the dumbest thing you said all day and THAT is a hard bar to surpass. Jesus.

Half a million did not increase the total amount of deaths in the US by a half a million...amazing!!!

Just another line of bullshit propaganda promoted by you.

Get bent.

Now claims that masks can prevent all disease transmission.

Ignores the evidence indicating people that wear masks get sick at higher rates.

Ignores all other forms of death, showing 0 empathy for those.

Not a human at all is JJA.

Learn to read, idiot.

Wear your mask, quit being a selfish asshole.

The only one showing zero empathy here is you... because you don't want to put on a mask to protect others.

That's the real problem here... you hate the idea of doing anything that helps someone else. You only care about yourself. 

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

The protection works both ways. You wear the PPE to not only protect yourself but the poor bastard on the operating table too

Half a million did not increase the total amount of deaths in the US by a half a million...amazing!!!

Just another line of bullshit propaganda promoted by you.

Get bent.

Your anti-mask and anti-social distancing bullshit helped that number reach half a million, and if you had the slightest bit of humanity in you then you would feel some guilt and shame about it.

Maybe you do and that's why you are now so desperate to find any evidence at all that masks don't work so you don't have to face the facts that you are an uncaring, selfish prick who let people die and spread lies and bullshit to encourage others to do the same.

Back when ONLY a few tens of thousands were dead it was a fun game but now you see the consequences of your actions.

Ugly on the inside. No amount of hand washing will fix that.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:59:02 AM

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

The protection works both ways. You wear the PPE to not only protect yourself but the poor bastard on the operating table too

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

You seriously don't understand that spittle can and does spray into the air in any environment?

When you yap your ignorant mouth in your local gun shop, you're spraying spittle into the air that other people breathe in. Masks help keep your spit under control.

You are a complete and utter moron if you can't understand this.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 05:05:38 AM

Half a million did not increase the total amount of deaths in the US by a half a million...amazing!!!

Just another line of bullshit propaganda promoted by you.

Get bent.

Your anti-mask and anti-social distancing bullshit helped that number reach half a million, and if you had the slightest bit of humanity in you then you would feel some guilt and shame about it.

Maybe you do and that's why you are now so desperate to find any evidence at all that masks don't work so you don't have to face the facts that you are an uncaring, selfish prick who let people die and spread lies and bullshit to encourage others to do the same.

Back when ONLY a few tens of thousands were dead it was a fun game but now you see the consequences of your actions.

Ugly on the inside. No amount of hand washing will fix that.

You are the one that keeps spreading your BS number of half a million. If half a millions died, it was from a disease that has has the same death as the flu.

But nowhere near that number died from a coronavirus.

All propaganda designed for control.

That is all it is. Plain, pure , and simple.

And in the end, you're gonna die, just like all do.

I generally don't care about other people and am quite capable of admitting that.

That's the difference between me and you.

I admit it.

You don't.

I especially admit I have a tremendous amount of disregard and spite of the likes of you and others here, spouting the nonsensical BS related to this topic and others, clearly demonstrating the origin of the hype over this, still trying to promote "right-wing," as a tool for division and targeting.

Difference is, I hit my targets.

You can't.

Quote from: Shifter on March 04, 2021, 05:10:47 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:59:02 AM

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

The protection works both ways. You wear the PPE to not only protect yourself but the poor bastard on the operating table too

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

Masks were not (or should not) be touted as a measure that STOPS the transmission. It SLOWS the transmission. When you couple wearing one with the social distancing and other hygiene measures it works to reduce the r0 value of the virus to less than 1. That is the point

The problem with covid is that you are highly infectious while you are still feeling well. That is why when healthy and sick people alike wear a mask and keep their distance that it reduces the risk of infection. It does not eliminate the risk of course.

In a place where I live, masks are not needed because there are zero active cases. But imagine in a place like America where you could be walking and interacting with dozens of people who are potentially sick. Even if I knew 100% that I did not have covid, I'd be wearing a mask just for the selfish reason to protect myself!

Covid seems like a real nasty disease, even to those who recover seemingly without much more symptoms than a cold. The lasting damage could cut your life short by decades if the cards fell just right (heart attack, stroke, cancer). It's not the covid germ itself but the f&$ked up way your immune system tried to deal with it

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 05:25:09 AM

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

You seriously don't understand that spittle can and does spray into the air in any environment?

When you yap your ignorant mouth in your local gun shop, you're spraying spittle into the air that other people breathe in. Masks help keep your spit under control.

You are a complete and utter moron if you can't understand this.

The difference is my local gun shop owner understands that spittle was a possibility prior to the coronavirus and didn't require a mask then to prevent it and doesn't see the need to require a mask now, as a disease, potentially spread by loose spittle, is a disease, regardless of name.

You are a complete and utter moron, even if you can understand this.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 05:25:09 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 04, 2021, 05:10:47 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:59:02 AM

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

The protection works both ways. You wear the PPE to not only protect yourself but the poor bastard on the operating table too

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

Masks were not (or should not) be touted as a measure that STOPS the transmission. It SLOWS the transmission. When you couple wearing one with the social distancing and other hygiene measures it works to reduce the r0 value of the virus to less than 1. That is the point

The problem with covid is that you are highly infectious while you are still feeling well. That is why when healthy and sick people alike wear a mask and keep their distance that it reduces the risk of infection. It does not eliminate the risk of course.

In a place where I live, masks are not needed because there are zero active cases. But imagine in a place like America where you could be walking and interacting with dozens of people who are potentially sick. Even if I knew 100% that I did not have covid, I'd be wearing a mask just for the selfish reason to protect myself!

Covid seems like a real nasty disease, even to those who recover seemingly without much more symptoms than a cold. The lasting damage could cut your life short by decades if the cards fell just right (heart attack, stroke, cancer). It's not the covid germ itself but the f&$ked up way your immune system tried to deal with it

The problem with covid is that people like you are spreading fear about a specific disease, because you love dystopian and Malthusian epics.

Quote from: Shifter on March 04, 2021, 05:34:30 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 05:25:09 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 04, 2021, 05:10:47 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:59:02 AM

Quote from: JJA on March 04, 2021, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 04, 2021, 04:48:40 AM

You quit lying and making your endless fucking stream of bullshit.

If N95 was actually fucking effective, then virologists would fucking wear them and forego the expense of what they actually wear.

Wear your mask and quit showing your ugly mug in public.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's the point, masks help prevent you from giving other a disease.

Virologists wear suits to prevent themselves from CATCHIGN it.

get it?  Masks help OTHERS... which is why you are so against it.

Quit being a dumbass.  I'm sure you actually DO understand how masks work... or maybe you are that stupid?

Just wear it, even if you don't understand why it helps or why you should want to help others. It's what humans with empathy do.

They used to just wear them in operating rooms, where open skin could be subjected to spittle from speaking instructions and commands, until morons like you started promoting this BS and now they wear them all over to spare themselves the idiotic comments from the "woke," arse people like you who believe bullshit.

The protection works both ways. You wear the PPE to not only protect yourself but the poor bastard on the operating table too

The only reason why they wore them in the operating room was to protect the person getting surgery from spittle possibly being sprayed about.

In a controlled environment.

It makes no sense to wear them out and about in an uncontrolled environment, precluding free respiration like normal people.

Masks were not (or should not) be touted as a measure that STOPS the transmission. It SLOWS the transmission. When you couple wearing one with the social distancing and other hygiene measures it works to reduce the r0 value of the virus to less than 1. That is the point

The problem with covid is that you are highly infectious while you are still feeling well. That is why when healthy and sick people alike wear a mask and keep their distance that it reduces the risk of infection. It does not eliminate the risk of course.

In a place where I live, masks are not needed because there are zero active cases. But imagine in a place like America where you could be walking and interacting with dozens of people who are potentially sick. Even if I knew 100% that I did not have covid, I'd be wearing a mask just for the selfish reason to protect myself!

Covid seems like a real nasty disease, even to those who recover seemingly without much more symptoms than a cold. The lasting damage could cut your life short by decades if the cards fell just right (heart attack, stroke, cancer). It's not the covid germ itself but the f&$ked up way your immune system tried to deal with it

The problem with covid is that people like you are spreading fear about a specific disease, because you love dystopian and Malthusian epics.

Well the problem with society is you have selfish psychopaths like you who love to take but never give anything back in return. A simple and cost effective measure like a mask can literally save a life but you like your own chances at survival so never mind the immunocompromised, elderly or other vulnerable people where getting this disease is like a literal roll of the dice as to whether they will survive.

How much better would 2020 have been for America if your leaders and people took the threat seriously? I mean, Australia did and life for most of us has gone on business as usual.

The groups that survive are the ones able to adapt to changing circumstances. South East Asia and Oceania it seems are quite able to do this. America? Europe? No bloody chance.

But nowhere near that number died from a coronavirus.

Sure, hang on to your wacked out conspiracy theory that half a million people just suddenly died from something totally unrelated to the virus they caught.

Dumbass.

I especially admit I have a tremendous amount of disregard and spite of the likes of you and others here, spouting the nonsensical BS related to this topic and others, clearly demonstrating the origin of the hype over this, still trying to promote "right-wing," as a tool for division and targeting.

Difference is, I hit my targets.

You can't.

You hit your targets with droplets of spittle because your too dumb to understand how masks work. 

You are a selfish, uncaring idiot who is willing to let others die because your unwilling to put on a simple mask.  It smothers YUR FREDUMS apparently.

Why do you nut jobs always, always have to pick the wrong side of everything you do? You could have made it a patriotic duty to wear a mask and plaster flags all over your faces and talk about how smart and great America is.  But no... you always have to pick the option that will hurt people.

You're sick.  And the only target you are going to be hitting is filling hospital beds to capacity, and yeah, I see your veiled threat. You luv yer guns, for sure.

Latest development

The first reassortment virus has emerged already. A heavily mutated coronavirus has been detected: combination of the strains B.1.1.7 and B.1.429.

"This “recombination” event was discovered in a virus sample in California, provoking warnings and concerns that more potent SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains with unknown characteristics are heralding new phase of the pandemic.
 
This new hybrid virus is the result of recombination of the highly transmissible B.1.1.7 variant discovered in the UK and the B.1.429 variant that originated in California and which may be responsible for a recent wave of cases in Los Angeles because it carries a mutation making it resistant to some antibodies.
 
This new reassortant strain was discovered by Dr Bette Korber at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, who told a meeting organized by the New York Academy of Sciences that she had seen “pretty clear” evidence of it in her database of US viral genomes.
 
This recombinant strain would be the first to be detected in this pandemic. In December and January, two research groups independently reported that they hadn’t seen any evidence of recombination, even though it has long been expected as it is common in coronaviruses.
 
Alarmingly unlike regular mutation, where changes accumulate one at a time, which is how variants such as B.1.1.7 arose, recombination can bring together multiple mutations in one go.
 
In some cases such recombinant events do not confer any advantage to the virus, but in the case of coronaviruses, they do most of the time.
 
Such recombinations can be of major evolutionary importance, according to Dr François Balloux at University College London.

Dr Korber has only seen a single recombinant genome among thousands of sequences and it isn’t clear whether the virus is being transmitted from person to person or is just a one-off. Investigations and studies are still underway.
 
Such recombinations commonly occurs in coronaviruses because the enzyme that replicates their genome is prone to slipping off the RNA strand it is copying and then rejoining where it left off. If a host cell contains two different coronavirus genomes, or even another virus genome, the enzyme can repeatedly jump from one to the other, combining different elements of each genome to create a ‘super’ hybrid virus.
 
Experts are warning that the recent emergence of multiple variants of the new coronavirus may have created the raw material for recombination because people can be infected with two different variants at once.
 
Dr Sergei Pond at Temple University in Pennsylvania, who keeps an eye out for recombinants by comparing thousands of genome sequences uploaded to databases: “We may be getting to the point when this is happening at appreciable rates.”
 
Dr Pond warned that although there is still no evidence of widespread recombination, but that “coronaviruses all recombine, so it’s a question of when, not if”.
 
The detailed implications of the finding aren’t yet clear because very little is known about the recombinant’s biology. However, it does carry a mutation from B.1.1.7, called Δ69/70, which makes the UK virus more transmissible, and another from B.1.429, called L452R, which can confer resistance to antibodies.
 
Dr Korber warned at the New York meeting, “This kind of event could allow the SARS-CoV-2 virus to have coupled a more infectious virus with a more resistant virus. The emerging strains could be far more disastrous and difficult to manage”".

Are you ready to take two more shots in six months' time? This in addition to the third booster vaccine (in case you didn't know, the P.1 strain is immune to the vaccines currently in use).

Press conference of the Israeli prime minister:

"The vaccines we have, no one knows how long they last…We need to prepare for the worst scenario. The worst scenario is that we have to vaccinate (twice) every half year.”

Are you aware that the vaccines you did receive cannot protect you against the new highly resistant strains?

I can't find anything that says they are 100% resistant. The only thing I can find is that the vaccines aren't as effective. But nothing that says they are ineffective. Granted, I didn't search that much.

Doctors, nurses and surgeons wear them in operating rooms and hospitals because they ARE effective in preventing the SPREAD of disease.

That's person to person mode of transmission.

The M. avium pandemic is coming down from the atmosphere, masks won't help.

Czech Republic: 10,65 million people, 12% of the population is infected. They wore masks like no one else did, before everyone else did.

Source for you claims? I've asked 10 times now and you still haven't answered. Where's the Czech mask wearing data coming from?

If enough people get vaccinated even if the vaccines aren't as effective against other strains, the virus should still mostly die out as it cant find enough hosts to infect and spread

Also vaccines that dont end up preventing infection usually give the body something to work with so that should you end up getting the full blown live virus, it's not nearly as dangerous

Latest development

The first reassortment virus has emerged already. A heavily mutated coronavirus has been detected: combination of the strains B.1.1.7 and B.1.429.

They are still looking into it: "Korber has only seen a single recombinant genome among thousands of sequences and it isn’t clear whether the virus is being transmitted from person to person or is just a one-off."
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268014-exclusive-two-variants-have-merged-into-heavily-mutated-coronavirus/#ixzz6oAGPUwRU

Yeah, could be trouble for sure. The quicker we can squelch as much as we can the less variants there will be.

Another doctor - Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, MD

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy - https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

"As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”   Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.

It is also instructive to know that until recently, the CDC did not recommend wearing a face mask or covering of any kind, unless a person was known to be infected, that is, until recently. Non-infected people need not wear a mask. When a person has TB we have them wear a mask, not the entire community of non-infected. The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history."

"Now that we have established that there is no scientific evidence necessitating the wearing of a face mask for prevention, are there dangers to wearing a face mask, especially for long periods? Several studies have indeed found significant problems with wearing such a mask. This can vary from headaches, to increased airway resistance, carbon dioxide accumulation, to hypoxia, all the way to serious life-threatening complications."

"In one such study, researchers surveyed 212 healthcare workers (47 males and 165 females) asking about presence of headaches with N95 mask use, duration of the headaches, type of headaches and if the person had preexisting headaches.

They found that about a third of the workers developed headaches with use of the mask, most had preexisting headaches that were worsened by the mask wearing, and 60% required pain medications for relief. As to the cause of the headaches, while straps and pressure from the mask could be causative, the bulk of the evidence points toward hypoxia and/or hypercapnia as the cause.

That is, a reduction in blood oxygenation (hypoxia) or an elevation in blood C02 (hypercapnia). It is known that the N95 mask, if worn for hours, can reduce blood oxygenation as much as 20%, which can lead to a loss of consciousness, as happened to the hapless fellow driving around alone in his car wearing an N95 mask, causing him to pass out, and to crash his car and sustain injuries.

I am sure that we have several cases of elderly individuals or any person with poor lung function passing out, hitting their head. This, of course, can lead to death.

A more recent study involving 159 healthcare workers aged 21 to 35 years of age found that 81% developed headaches from wearing a face mask. Some had pre-existing headaches that were precipitated by the masks. All felt like the headaches affected their work performance."

"The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte.

This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome."

"There is another danger to wearing these masks on a daily basis, especially if worn for several hours. When a person is infected with a respiratory virus, they will expel some of the virus with each breath.

If they are wearing a mask, especially an N95 mask or other tightly fitting mask, they will be constantly rebreathing the viruses, raising the concentration of the virus in the lungs and the nasal passages. We know that people who have the worst reactions to the coronavirus have the highest concentrations of the virus early on. And this leads to the deadly cytokine storm in a selected number."

"People with cancer, especially if the cancer has spread, will be at a further risk from prolonged hypoxia as the cancer grows best in a microenvironment that is low in oxygen. Low oxygen also promotes inflammation which can promote the growth, invasion and spread of cancers. Repeated episodes of hypoxia has been proposed as a significant factor in atherosclerosis and hence increases all cardiovascular (heart attacks) and cerebrovascular (strokes) diseases."

"It gets even more frightening. Newer evidence suggests that in some cases the virus can enter the brain. In most instances it enters the brain by way of the olfactory nerves (smell nerves), which connect directly with the area of the brain dealing with recent memory and memory consolidation. By wearing a mask, the exhaled viruses will not be able to escape and will concentrate in the nasal passages, enter the olfactory nerves and travel into the brain.

It is evident from this review that there is insufficient evidence that wearing a mask of any kind can have a significant impact in preventing the spread of this virus. The fact that this virus is a relatively benign infection for the vast majority of the population and that most of the at-risk group also survive, from an infectious disease and epidemiological standpoint, by letting the virus spread through the healthier population we will reach a herd immunity level rather quickly that will end this pandemic quickly and prevent a return next winter. During this time, we need to protect the at-risk population by avoiding close contact, boosting their immunity with compounds that boost cellular immunity and in general, care for them.

One should not attack and insult those who have chosen not to wear a mask, as these studies suggest that is the wise choice to make."

So we have a doctor telling us that choosing not to wear masks is the "wise choice to make," in contradiction to JSS here who attacks others and refuses to share his credentials for his medical advice to wear masks.

Dr. Baylock repeats his recommendations:

Aug 2020 - https://www.northsidesun.com/news-breaking-news-columns/problem-masks#sthash.6a0jJ3nO.dpbs

Sept 2020 - https://www.northsidesun.com/news-breaking-news-columns/opinion-draconian-measures-not-needed#sthash.zCj5370M.dpbs

Dr. Blaylock is a doctor and says that it is a wise choice not to wear masks. Liberal idiots here will next search for some inane unqualified internet comments:

https://www.covid19facts.ca/en/fact-checked/it-s-inaccurate-to-say-that-wearing-a-face-mask-poses-serious-health-risks

"On the website “Technocracy”, Russell Blaylock, a retired doctor claimed that wearing face masks creates serious health risks for healthy people. This claim has no factual basis and is inaccurate. In addition, it is misleading."

Clicking on the author:

https://www.covid19facts.ca/en/about/our-team/fact-checking-and-writing-team/grailing-anthonisen

A former employment counselor with journalism degrees. Not a doctor. Not qualified to interpret or gather information for dispersing medical advice.

Other idiots here on this forum will insist that we need to "Wear your damn mask". Again, not doctors. They are merely idiots without any known credentials giving medical advice on the internet.