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« Reply #3180 on: April 29, 2021, 12:24:37 AM »
Here is the situation in India:

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-covid19-37-vaccinated-doctors-from-delhis-sir-ganga-ram-hospital-test-positive-2885479

Vaccines cannot protect against the new triple mutant variant B.1.617 which is evading vaccine protection.



The number of cases has increased at the same rate, everywhere at once in India.

Obviously, the principal mode of transmission of the pandemic cannot be person to person. Everywhere at once = an atmospheric source of the pathogenic agent.

More than half of the population in India has latent TB. The brutal vaccination program has awakened these latent mycobacterium in the vaccinated individuals.

Here is the lunacy: India is vaccinating its people against the original strain, the Wuhan variant, which has disappeared as long ago as March 2020. Yet, the new powerful strain is B.1.617 which cannot be countered by the vaccines currently used against covid-19.

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« Reply #3181 on: April 29, 2021, 02:33:31 AM »
Fake news.
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« Reply #3182 on: April 29, 2021, 03:04:27 AM »
A covid infected person from India was able to infect someone in Australia upon their return. There is clearly person to person transmission. Australia overall has near zero cases barring the travelers from overseas coming back home. If this were atmospheric than Australia despite all its efforts would not be in a 'covid free' position. We'd look like India too

India relaxed too early. And given their population density, plentiful poverty, religious ceremonies etc, this things spread all over very fast. I would be India has had covid spread for a long time flying under the radar because of a lack of testing. We notice and test now because they have reached a breaking point

There is no doubt to the seriousness of covid and that looking at large numbers, young people aren't guaranteed to be safe from damage or death.

Apparently India's own vaccine is effective against their variant
https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/pharma/covaxin-effective-imp-antidote-against-covid-19-says-dr-anthony-fauci/story/437727.html

Here's hoping.
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« Reply #3183 on: April 29, 2021, 04:08:08 AM »
Quote from: sandokhan on April 29, 2021, 12:24:37 AM

The number of cases has increased at the same rate, everywhere at once in India.

Your own charts show this is not the case.  And



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brutal vaccination program has awakened these latent mycobacterium in the vaccinated individuals.
Wow, "brutal" vaccinations now?  They stabbing people in the eye with the needle?  The fact is India has vaccinated <10% of the population.  Whereas the UK is 51% and Israel is at 60%.  Both countries have the spread now under control.

Give it up sando.
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« Reply #3184 on: April 29, 2021, 04:14:33 AM »
Not fake news:

https://www.businesstoday.in/videos/news-reel/37-doctors-test-covid-positive-at-delhis-sir-ganga-ram-hospital/436190.html

These 37 doctors used Covaxin: it was of no use against B.1.617.

Sure there is person to person transmission, but that is the secondary mode of passing on the pandemic.

Australia, so far, has implemented the vaccine program slightly.

Here is the news from Australia:

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pure-unalloyed-evil/#comment-4588067


The more pressure is applied to the M. avium, the more variants will appear.

Covaxin was formulated for the Wuhan strain, nothing else. It is useless against the B.1.351, P.1, B.1.617 variants. As soon as India started their vaccination campaign in earnest (Feb - Mar) the number of cases exploded shortly afterwards.


PS. Only this chart counts, the rate of increase of the TOTAL number of cases in each state:



The other is the REPORTED number of cases.



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« Reply #3185 on: April 29, 2021, 04:30:49 AM »
Quote from: sandokhan on April 29, 2021, 04:14:33 AM

The other is the REPORTED number of cases.
So your charts record unreported cases?  How does that work?
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« Reply #3186 on: April 29, 2021, 05:48:33 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on April 29, 2021, 03:04:27 AM
A covid infected person from India was able to infect someone in Australia upon their return. There is clearly person to person transmission.
Oh look at that, our smart boy shifter just found out that covid can be transmotted among humans!
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« Reply #3187 on: April 29, 2021, 06:23:44 AM »
Quote from: sandokhan on April 29, 2021, 04:14:33 AM
Sure there is person to person transmission, but that is the secondary mode of passing on the pandemic.
Given India's population density, person to person transmission can be quite significant, even as a secondary mode.
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« Reply #3188 on: April 29, 2021, 08:46:39 AM »
Quote from: sandokhan on April 29, 2021, 12:24:37 AM
Vaccines cannot protect against the new triple mutant variant B.1.617 which is evading vaccine protection.

Will the vaccines still work against B.1.617?
Several studies have linked the two key mutations in B.1.617 with an increased ability for the virus to evade the immune system. So, most likely, COVD-19 vaccines will still work against B1.617, but they could be slightly less effective, Cambridge University's Ravi Gupta said on Twitter: "Likely vaccines will protect against severe illness and death but not against infection in those [people] with poorer immune responses."
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/24/988744811/people-are-talking-about-a-double-mutant-variant-in-india-what-does-that-mean
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« Reply #3189 on: April 29, 2021, 09:44:07 AM »
‘We are witnessing a crime against humanity’: Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe

Worth a read.  A really damning picture of the epidemic and India under Modi.

It is staggering how little India spends on it's healthcare "system".
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« Reply #3190 on: April 29, 2021, 10:23:49 AM »
There's a lot of blame that can be put on Modi I'm sure.  But there's some blame on our side of things also.

As soon as a vaccine was proven safe and effective the government should have forced them to sell the patent and then given it or loaned it out for free.  India has a massive drug manufacturing capacity and a move like that would have probably avoided this catastrophe. 

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« Reply #3191 on: April 29, 2021, 05:08:16 PM »
FYI India has big drug manufacturing because their laws are different. They can make patented drugs if they make them different.

Anyways  the CDC is tracking breakthrough cases here in the states and posting the data.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
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« Reply #3192 on: April 29, 2021, 05:41:54 PM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 29, 2021, 09:44:07 AM
‘We are witnessing a crime against humanity’: Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe

Worth a read.  A really damning picture of the epidemic and India under Modi.

It is staggering how little India spends on it's healthcare "system".

Disaster looming type numbers...  50% of those getting tested in Kolkata are testing positive...  FFS 

I guess that's 2/3 of the way to herd immunity,  I wonder how many of the herd will be left when the dust settles.


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« Reply #3193 on: April 30, 2021, 01:33:14 AM »
Quote from: Crouton on April 29, 2021, 10:23:49 AM
There's a lot of blame that can be put on Modi I'm sure.  But there's some blame on our side of things also.
Yeah, I think Roy detests Modi for the ethnic hatred he is brewing and the divisions he is creating.  But their almost entire lack of health system is a long term issue.  That stuff about building a $466m statue in a region with no hospital is just obscene though.

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As soon as a vaccine was proven safe and effective the government should have forced them to sell the patent and then given it or loaned it out for free.  India has a massive drug manufacturing capacity and a move like that would have probably avoided this catastrophe. 
It does mention that

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Anyway, what about the vaccines? Surely they’ll save us? Isn’t India a vaccine powerhouse? In fact, the Indian government is entirely dependent on two manufacturers, the Serum Institute of India (SII) and Bharat Biotech. Both are being allowed to roll out two of the most expensive vaccines in the world, to the poorest people in the world. This week they announced that they will sell to private hospitals at a slightly elevated price, and to state governments at a somewhat lower price. Back-of-the-envelope calculations show the vaccine companies are likely to make obscene profits.
Not so good.


Part of the issue here is that Modi gloated at the West saying how they had it completely under control, unlike the West.  I've got an Indian friend who say people back home had this smug "It's just rich white man's disease" attitude.
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« Reply #3194 on: April 30, 2021, 02:39:34 AM »
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‘We are witnessing a crime against humanity’: Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe

Worth a read.  A really damning picture of the epidemic and India under Modi.

It is staggering how little India spends on it's healthcare "system".

Disaster looming type numbers...  50% of those getting tested in Kolkata are testing positive...  FFS 

I guess that's 2/3 of the way to herd immunity,  I wonder how many of the herd will be left when the dust settles.

And that's just the ones getting tested. I'm sure the numbers are just as great in those not getting tested And then those who tested negative this time around, well their time will come....


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« Reply #3195 on: April 30, 2021, 06:21:20 AM »
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And that's just the ones getting tested. I'm sure the numbers are just as great in those not getting tested
That seems extremely unlikely and is never the case anywhere else.

There is no way 50% of the population have it at exactly the same time, it just doesn't work like that.
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« Reply #3196 on: April 30, 2021, 07:52:27 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 30, 2021, 06:21:20 AM
Quote from: Shifter on April 30, 2021, 02:39:34 AM
And that's just the ones getting tested. I'm sure the numbers are just as great in those not getting tested
That seems extremely unlikely and is never the case anywhere else.

There is no way 50% of the population have it at exactly the same time, it just doesn't work like that.

I don't think it's 50% of the population. It's roughly 50% of those being tested:

Every second person getting tested in Kolkata is positive
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/every-second-person-getting-tested-in-kolkata-is-positive/articleshow/82236519.cms
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« Reply #3197 on: April 30, 2021, 09:37:00 AM »
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Quote from: Shifter on April 30, 2021, 02:39:34 AM
And that's just the ones getting tested. I'm sure the numbers are just as great in those not getting tested
That seems extremely unlikely and is never the case anywhere else.

There is no way 50% of the population have it at exactly the same time, it just doesn't work like that.

I don't think it's 50% of the population. It's roughly 50% of those being tested:


Yes, that's precisely my point!  Shifter and Jerkface are suggesting that the rest of the population would have the same rate of positives and I'm saying this isn't so.
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« Reply #3198 on: April 30, 2021, 09:39:34 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 29, 2021, 09:44:07 AM
‘We are witnessing a crime against humanity’: Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe

Worth a read.  A really damning picture of the epidemic and India under Modi.

It is staggering how little India spends on it's healthcare "system".

Good lord! They're resorting to chopping down trees from their public parks to burn all the dead bodies?

This sounds like a catastrophe.
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« Reply #3199 on: April 30, 2021, 11:20:10 AM »
This is the start as well, it's pretty scary.

Their mortality rates will be much higher than ours as well, as many don't have access to even basic healthcare. 
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« Reply #3200 on: April 30, 2021, 11:49:20 AM »
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This is the start as well, it's pretty scary.
Especially when you remember that deaths lag infections by a few weeks.
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« Reply #3201 on: April 30, 2021, 01:12:18 PM »
for those countries with high per capita vaccines, is there a dip or a rise in new cases (based on the 2week case vs 1month hospitalization lags)?
i haven't seen a one stop shop chart.
just curious how it's working out against the variants where vax'ing limits qty to mutate.
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« Reply #3202 on: April 30, 2021, 01:25:45 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on April 30, 2021, 01:12:18 PM
for those countries with high per capita vaccines, is there a dip or a rise in new cases (based on the 2week case vs 1month hospitalization lags)?
i haven't seen a one stop shop chart.
just curious how it's working out against the variants where vax'ing limits qty to mutate.
No rise in the UK, but we were well into the second lockdown, so it's really hard to tell.  I expect it will take quite a while to extract this sort of thing from the data reliably.
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« Reply #3203 on: April 30, 2021, 07:07:56 PM »
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Quote from: Shifter on April 30, 2021, 02:39:34 AM
And that's just the ones getting tested. I'm sure the numbers are just as great in those not getting tested
That seems extremely unlikely and is never the case anywhere else.

There is no way 50% of the population have it at exactly the same time, it just doesn't work like that.

I don't think it's 50% of the population. It's roughly 50% of those being tested:


Yes, that's precisely my point!  Shifter and Jerkface are suggesting that the rest of the population would have the same rate of positives and I'm saying this isn't so.

I take your point,  but I'm not suggesting 50% of the population are positive at time.   However, at this rate, India might just be the first country to reach herd immunity by "natural" means.
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« Reply #3204 on: May 01, 2021, 12:48:33 AM »
They think the vaccines are working well against the variants here as they're not over represented in the cases of covid in vaccinated people. Cases overall are trending down but also been in lockdown-lite so that affects it too.
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« Reply #3205 on: May 01, 2021, 10:13:27 AM »
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Dr Karanja remained staunch the current global rollout of the fast-tracked vaccine was “totally unnecessary, making the motivation suspect”.

He instead endorsed alternative treatments for COVID-19, including hydroxychloroquine and the hotly-debated Ivermectin.

“There are drugs that have been repurposed and used effectively to treat Covid-19,” he said in a March statement.

“We advise that a COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary and should not be given. We appeal to all the people of Kenya to avoid taking it.”




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« Reply #3206 on: May 01, 2021, 10:40:36 AM »
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« Reply #3207 on: May 01, 2021, 02:08:21 PM »
Quote from: sandokhan on April 29, 2021, 04:14:33 AM
Not fake news:

https://www.businesstoday.in/videos/news-reel/37-doctors-test-covid-positive-at-delhis-sir-ganga-ram-hospital/436190.html

These 37 doctors used Covaxin: it was of no use against B.1.617.

Sure there is person to person transmission, but that is the secondary mode of passing on the pandemic.

Australia, so far, has implemented the vaccine program slightly.

Here is the news from Australia:

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pure-unalloyed-evil/#comment-4588067


The more pressure is applied to the M. avium, the more variants will appear.

Covaxin was formulated for the Wuhan strain, nothing else. It is useless against the B.1.351, P.1, B.1.617 variants. As soon as India started their vaccination campaign in earnest (Feb - Mar) the number of cases exploded shortly afterwards.


PS. Only this chart counts, the rate of increase of the TOTAL number of cases in each state:



The other is the REPORTED number of cases.

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« Reply #3208 on: May 03, 2021, 03:27:04 PM »
Well our morally bankrupt and racist Prime Minister have decided to ban any Aussies who are currently in India from coming home. He's getting attacked from all his supporters too.

Funny how we specifically banned China and now India but we never banned America or the UK or other countries during their Heights if uncontrolled outbreaks

The ban on Aussies returning home is nothing short of human rights abuse, unconstitutional and dictatorship style. As well as racist given this never happened with America which was objectively worse at its height

Fuck Scott Morrison. Fat, fugly, racist, morally bankrupt, dictator POS

Even told it would lead to Australians needlessly dying, he couldn't care less.
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« Reply #3209 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:02 PM »
I don't know.  It kind of seems like it might be a prudent move.  I wouldn't have argued if America was banned during the worst of our outbreaks.

Additionally Australia doesn't seem like it's in a great position to handle an outbreak, sort of a perverse side effect of controlling the outbreak as well as they have so far.  There's very little resistance to covid from either already having it or getting the vaccine.

Australia should have just redirected their citizens in India to America.  We're close to herd immunity through a combination of a totally incompetent government and having enough money to buy all the vaccines.
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