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Title: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:24:17 AM
I like all of you. Even you, old friends.

Plan, prepare and survive. All the OSINT leads to this being incredibly dangerous. Take precautions, wash your hands regularly with an alcohol based solution, don't touch your face avoid public transport and large crowded events until we know what's going on.

Have at least two months of food and WATER on hand.
Two months worth of vitamins, especially vitamin C for skurvy.
Hunting and fishing equipment.
Tools to build and maintain a campsite.
A compass, flint, good quality skinning knife.
A PLAN to get out of the city if things get as bad as they are in China.
Fuel, solar panels, generators make life much more comfortable.

Just for a few ideas.

OSINT dumps below. Mainstream news is catching up now. DO NOT IGNORE THIS.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:25:13 AM
>News
Over half of China under lockdown, accounting for 80% of GDP, 90% of exports
http://archive.is/HLAN0

It is “increasingly unlikely that the virus can be contained” says former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
http://archive.is/Mggc6

Scientists: 75,815 individuals have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020
http://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30260-9
(Gary is winning)

Infected: 20471
Obliterated: 427
Suspected: 23214
Recovered: 632

>Sources
https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/yjb/s7860/new_list.shtm

First death outside China confirmed in Philippines
http://archive.is/e1sHf

Airlines suspend flights from China
http://archive.is/mhtsl

Hunt for 480 Wuhan travellers lost in Britain
http://archive.is/vUMrH

USA bans entry of foreigners who have recently been to China
http://archive.is/uq2ci

>Science
Still contagious after recovery
http://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

r0 = 4.08
http://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1

2019-nCoV infection associated with high mortality
http://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30183-5

>Conspiracy
Google Maps moved location of Wuhan biolab
http://archive.is/QIBmE

>Reminder
CCP burning bodies without testing or registration
http://archive.is/Thlaq

Wuhan mayor admitted shortage of testing kits, all suspected cases are already in the pneumonia stage
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>Infected Countries List
Japan 20 Thailand 19 Singapore 18 South Korea 15 Hong Kong 14 Australia 12 Germany 10 Taiwan 10 United States 11 Macau 8 Malaysia 8 Vietnam 7 France 6 United Arab Emirates 5 Canada 4 India 2 Italy 2 Philippines 2 Russia 2 United Kingdom 2 Cambodia 1 Finland 1 Nepal 1 Spain 1 Sri Lanka 1 Sweden 1
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Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:31:07 AM
Event 201 is the most accurate model of the situation we are in now. China's stock market is gone, high probability that ours will fail also.

A breakdown in our supply chain WILL cause more deaths than the virus itself.
A pandemic WILL cause a mass panic and a breakdown in our supply chain. People WILL starve.

Plan, prepare, act, survive.
THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

There is some science to support the hypothesis that nCoV is particularly dangerous to South East Asian males but this shouldn't make any westerner feel more comfortable.

It's not just a flu. The CCP is lying, nCoV has a higher R0 (how infectious it is) and a far higher mortality rate even using the Chinese Communist parties numbers.

They lied about the SARS outbreak they are lying about nCoV to try to preserve their economy. We are all at risk, the CDC has woken up to the fact that containment of this now is most likely impossible.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:34:56 AM
Hi CCP frens.
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Stop stealing our shit, we never should have let you play with our toys.

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

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Do something CCP you know who I am.

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Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 01:37:03 AM
You need to chill.
Yes its bad and lots of people are being infected. But as more cases come up its mortality rate is decreasing, not increasing.

There is not enough data yet, but so far it suggests that this may be a lot less dangerous than SARS was, and quite possible just barely more fatal than the normal Flu. Your one link even confirms this.
Possibly 75000 people infected, less than 400 fatalities, thats a very small percentage of people dying.

Ill wait for WHO info rather than conspiracy theories before I uproot my life.

Although camping sounds nice.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:43:14 AM
Event 201 models a corona virus pandemic and the societal and economic consequences. It was ran by the John Hopkins centre and Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. It is the most accurate model we have of this outbreak.

China is burning bodies and locking people in their homes to starve.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/02/wuhan-woman-screams-chinese-authorities-barricade-inside-home-12162599/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/draconian-measures-china-allegedly-cremating-coronavirus-victims-in-secret

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-bans-funerals-for-coronavirus-victims-as-death-toll-rises-2020-2?op=1&r=US&IR=T

The mortality rate isn't as low as the Chinese Communist party wants you to believe. Journalists are being arrested and black bagged for leaking information to the public. *Salutes.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

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Back in 2001, it was a smallpox outbreak, set off by terrorists in U.S. shopping malls. This fall, it was a SARS-like virus, germinating quietly among pig farms in Brazil before spreading to every country in the world.

With each fictional pandemic Johns Hopkins experts have designed, the takeaway lesson is the same: We are nowhere near prepared.

"Once you're in the midst of a severe pandemic, your options are very limited," says Eric Toner, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. "The greatest good can happen with pre-planning."

That center's latest pandemic simulation, Event 201, dropped participants right in the midst of an uncontrolled coronavirus outbreak that was spreading like wildfire out of South America to wreak worldwide havoc. As fictional newscasters from "GNN" narrated, the immune-resistant virus (nicknamed CAPS) was crippling trade and travel, sending the global economy into freefall. Social media was rampant with rumors and misinformation, governments were collapsing, and citizens were revolting.

For those participating in New York City on Oct. 18—a heavyweight group of policymakers, business leaders, and health officials—Event 201 was a chance to see how much catch-up work is needed to bolster our disaster response systems. Full videos of the discussion are available online.

"It really does shake up assumptions and change thinking about how we can prepare for a global pandemic," says Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security.

Event 201 is the fourth such exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins center, which works to prepare communities for biological threats, pandemics, and other disasters. The simulations started with 2001's Dark Winter, which gathered national security experts for its simulated smallpox outbreak. The groundbreaking event turned out to be influential in shaping U.S. efforts around pandemic preparedness—particularly due to its timing, right before 9/11.

"Dark Winter resulted in more than a dozen congressional hearings, was briefed to the White House, and ultimately influenced the decision to stockpile enough smallpox vaccine for all Americans," Inglesby says.

That simulation and its two successors—Atlantic Storm, conducted in 2005, and last summer's Clade X—have also demonstrated lasting value as educational and advocacy tools, with reenactments or modified versions taking place in settings including universities, the CDC, and Capitol Hill, according to Inglesby. "These exercises have a long fuse," he says.

For Event 201, hosted in collaboration with the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the experts added a new layer of realism by reaching beyond government and NGOs to leaders in the private sector and business community. Participants included representatives from NBCUniversal, UPS, and Johnson & Johnson.

"Very few people have included the private sector in pandemic preparedness, but that's where most of the resources are," Toner says.

That's particularly true when it comes to vaccine development. The CAPS virus—which Toner describes as a cousin of SARS, "but slightly more transmissible, like the flu, and slightly more lethal"—was presented as resistant to any existing vaccine, as scientists scrambled to come up with one. Citizens, meanwhile, were rioting over scarce access to the next best thing: a fictional antiviral known to treat some CAPS symptoms.

That scenario, Toner says, is utterly realistic. "We don't have a vaccine for SARS, or MERS, or various avian flu viruses that have come up in the past decade," he notes. "That's because vaccine development is slow and difficult if there isn't an immediate market for it."

In the simulation, CAPS resulted in a death toll of 65 million people within 18 months—surpassing the deadliest pandemic in history, the 1918 Spanish flu.

From the discussions Event 201 inspired, the Center for Health Security plans to release a set of formal recommendations within the coming weeks.

Shortly after the simulation, the center released the Global Health Security Index, the first-ever comprehensive ranking of countries on their pandemic preparedness. All in all, the picture was discouraging: The average score, across 195 countries, was 40 out of a possible 100.

"It's our hope," Inglesby says, "that countries will use this to consider where they are strong and where they are weak."
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:47:47 AM
There is not enough data yet, but so far it suggests that this may be a lot less dangerous than SARS was, and quite possible just barely more fatal than the normal Flu. Your one link even confirms this.
Possibly 75000 people infected, less than 400 fatalities, thats a very small percentage of people dying.

No. These are China's numbers currently.
There are currently 20,639 confirmed cases worldwide, including 427 fatalities.

By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious.

If you don't trust Chinas number of infected why would you trust their number of dead?

Ill wait for WHO info rather than conspiracy theories before I uproot my life.

I'm not telling anyone to uproot their life. I'm telling you to prepare. This is not a conspiracy theory. The escaped bioweapon angle is the conspiracy theory although it can be explained by incompetence and actually has a lot of evidence I haven't presented because I feel it's unnecessary.

By the time WHO says to buy food all the food will be gone in a mass panic.
We are already nearly out of Alcohol based hand sanitizer and P2/P3 masks. This can be explained by the Chinese diaspora buying masks and sanitizer and selling / sending it to China.

You must understand this. When the TV tells you to panic it will be too late to prepare.

Again, don't uproot your life.
Prepare.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 04, 2020, 01:54:07 AM
We're all going to die again.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 01:58:27 AM
We're all going to die again.

Explain to me, if this gets to the west and spreads like it has in China. How our supply chain won't break down?

If you don't want to you don't have to.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:05:54 AM
As for waiting for the WHO.
(Who still maintains we should all continue flights to and from China)

How about the CDC?
The link is in the info dump.
I know you didn't read it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/health/coronavirus-pandemic-china.html

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The Wuhan coronavirus spreading from China is now likely to become a pandemic that circles the globe, according to many of the world’s leading infectious disease experts.
The prospect is daunting. A pandemic — an ongoing epidemic on two or more continents — may well have global consequences, despite the extraordinary travel restrictions and quarantines now imposed by China and other countries, including the United States.
Scientists do not yet know how lethal the new coronavirus is, however, so there is uncertainty about how much damage a pandemic might cause. But there is growing consensus that the pathogen is readily transmitted between humans.
The Wuhan coronavirus is spreading more like influenza, which is highly transmissible, than like its slow-moving viral cousins, SARS and MERS, scientists have found.
“It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
“But will it be catastrophic? I don’t know.”
In the last three weeks, the number of lab-confirmed cases has soared from about 50 in China to more than 17,000 in at least 23 countries; there have been more than 360 deaths.

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

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The 1918 “Spanish flu” killed only about 2.5 percent of its victims — but because it infected so many people and medical care was much cruder then, 20 million to 50 million died.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 04, 2020, 02:10:28 AM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:11:27 AM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.

Solid plan.

Is death and suffering a joke to you?

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 02:12:45 AM
Im confused, you say you cant trust China, but then say the "By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious" Official from who? China?

If 20 000 people are known to be effected and it has killed 400 people then it kills 2% of the infected.
Your one link suggested over 75 000 people are infected, giving it a mortality rate at about 1%
That is about 40x as bad as flu, but no one knows yet, it could be much lower.
SARS killed about 10%

Here is the thing, the virus is spreading and will continue to do so.
The only way to contain it is to control the populations, as what china is doing right now.
Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories is going to do more harm than good.
People need to trust the Authorities, because you cant solve a problem like this at the individual level.

Either way, no cases in my country yet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:20:16 AM
Im confused, you say you cant trust China, but then say the "By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious" Official from who? China?

If 20 000 people are known to be effected and it has killed 400 people then it kills 2% of the infected.

Correct official Chinese numbers.
China is suffering from the epidemic currently.
The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of 2-3%

Your one link suggested over 75 000

That's a Lancet study. UK based, they haven't done an estimated death rate. I'm just as worried about an overloaded medical system than I am of the Virus. No one dies of Pneumonia in western countries. If they can't get treated at the hospital then Pneumonia becomes quite dangerous indeed. We could see a massive spike in deaths.

That is about 40x as bad as flu, but no one knows yet, it could be much lower.
SARS killed about 10%

Correct again, we don't know. I'm giving you the best OSINT information available as of right now.

SARS was also easily contained and not nearly as infectuous.

Here is the thing, the virus is spreading and will continue to do so.
The only way to contain it is to control the populations, as what china is doing right now.

You mean locking people in their apartments and leaving them to starve? Arresting jornalists thar report on it? That's what China is doing, are you suggesting we do that also?

Ok.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/02/wuhan-woman-screams-chinese-authorities-barricade-inside-home-12162599/

I'm happy you have no cases in your country. Empathy is important for now, survival may be more important later.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:22:16 AM
Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 04, 2020, 02:45:20 AM
I trust Melbourn doctors. They are on it.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84682.0
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:52:15 AM
I trust Melbourn doctors. They are on it.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84682.0

Western scientists are the best in the world by a large degree. Even they say that a vaccine will take three months minimum to develop and around 1 year to mass produce.

Let's cut that in half to be liberal.
Six months without a vaccine and that's if the virus doesn't mutate.

I'm very hopeful we can beat this but it might get pretty bad before we get on top of things.

Even the economic impact of isolating China are likely to be devastating. That's why the WHO still recommends normal travel and trade.

I really do hope we can beat this.
I want people to be prepared.

Note.
I understand and empathise with our cyber magicians using the art of deception to keep people calm.

Mr NaySayer is correct, a mass panic would do more harm than good but I have a moral obligation to tell the truth.

I have no motive for telling you this except a genuine love for the truth.

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And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 04, 2020, 02:59:48 AM
D1?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 04, 2020, 03:00:53 AM
It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.

1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

1) If this is a biological war, the treatment should be brought out in a short time as it spreads to other countries. otherwise, the countries that started the war will also be affected.
2) Anti-vaccination has now reached a serious number, and officials are constantly targeting this segment. this can only be media disinformation to scare them and persuade them for vaccination.

I think that a vaccine or drug will appear in a very short time, as we see that cases have reached the number that will attract the attention of the world. You can be a part of the conspiracy if you're not really there to help us. If you are, so your presence is proof that a drug or vaccine will be developed soon.

If we look at the studies on this subject in the world;

- France developed a drug and a patient in the USA was treated with this drug.
- Doctors in Taiwan tried by mixing more than one drug and a patient was treated with this drug.
- Swiss scientists are close to the solution.
- Merkel said that an effective drug will be developed in a month or a few.
- Australian scientists are trying to find the most effective way to destroy the virus by examining it.

I don't trust science. however, I guess that as part of the conspiracy, someone who will say "Thank you for trusting science, we found the solution" will appear in a very short time. yes, science won again. WOW!

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:05:59 AM
Its my personal opinion that this was a virus used for study into vaccines (possibly biological warfare) that escaoed the lab due to lax lab practices.

There's a conspiracy theory. But it's only my opinion.

Again, in my persobal opinion nothing else explains China's reaction to what people are trying to claim is "just another flu."

People have had success treating nCoV with anti viral HIV medication.
Which is interesting.

We can only treat the symptoms of a Virus and let our anti-bodies take care of the rest. The treatment isn't a cure. Only a Vaccine will stop the spread of this.

I agree that eventually there will be mandatory vaccinations for this disease as we have mandatory vaccinations for other infectious diseases.

You're a smart guy wise.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:07:10 AM
You might enjoy this wise.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

This is very interesting but it hasn't been peer reviewed. It looks like South East Asians males especially may have a genetic weakness to this virus at least catching it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6211892/
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""Second, there was a much great difference in the frequency of distribution of ACE2 variants among different racial and ethnic lines.[19,28] For instance, the T allele frequencies of rs2285666 were 40.1% in Chinese Han, 32.4% in Chinese Dongxiang, 22.0% in Anglo Celtic.[19,31]""

Wikipedia cites ACE2 as the entry point for nCoV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 03:09:03 AM
Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.
You did not necessarily give conspiracy theories, and I actually agree with your efforts to inform people.
But a panic can cause the virus to spread faster in a less controlled way.
So it is important to try and separate fact from opinion, as there is already a lot of misinformation.

It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.

1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

1) If this is a biological war, the treatment should be brought out in a short time as it spreads to other countries. otherwise, the countries that started the war will also be affected.
2) Anti-vaccination has now reached a serious number, and officials are constantly targeting this segment. this can only be media disinformation to scare them and persuade them for vaccination.

I think that a vaccine or drug will appear in a very short time, as we see that cases have reached the number that will attract the attention of the world. You can be a part of the conspiracy if you're not really there to help us. If you are, so your presence is proof that a drug or vaccine will be developed soon.

If we look at the studies on this subject in the world;

- France developed a drug and a patient in the USA was treated with this drug.
- Doctors in Taiwan tried by mixing more than one drug and a patient was treated with this drug.
- Swiss scientists are close to the solution.
- Merkel said that an effective drug will be developed in a month or a few.
- Australian scientists are trying to find the most effective way to destroy the virus by examining it.

I don't trust science. however, I guess that as part of the conspiracy, someone who will say "Thank you for trusting science, we found the solution" will appear in a very short time. yes, science won again. WOW!


This is the kind of not helpful stuff that causes people to mistrust health officials and end up spreading the virus further. Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:09:50 AM
Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.
You did not necessarily give conspiracy theories, and I actually agree with your efforts to inform people.

Ok thanks.

I agree with you that we should limit panic. It will cause more harm than good.

Edit.
Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!

That's disgusting and unnecessary.
We are merely having a discussion about our opinions.
Isn't this a flat earth website?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 03:11:59 AM
Also, it may be a better tactic to let the virus spread though the global population and just treat the symptoms so that no one dies. This is how most flu's are handled, with only vulnerable people being vaccinated.

This may end up being just another Flu. So dont draw conclusions before knowing all the facts, and no one has all the facts yet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:16:03 AM
Also, it may be a better tactic to let the virus spread though the global population and just treat the symptoms so that no one dies. This is how most flu's are handled, with only vulnerable people being vaccinated.

Look at the official numbers.
10-20% of patients develop pneumonia.

Wuhan has ran out of hospital beds.

What happens to untreated pneumonia?

This doctor is very competent and is trying to tell the truth while avoiding causing a panic.

You might enjoy his videos.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 04, 2020, 03:17:06 AM
Its my personal opinion that this was a virus used for study into vaccines (possibly biological warfare) that escaoed the lab due to lax lab practices.
There's a conspiracy theory. But it's only my opinion.
Again, in my persobal opinion nothing else explains China's reaction to what people are trying to claim is "just another flu."
People have had success treating nCoV with anti viral HIV medication.
Which is interesting.
We can only treat the symptoms of a Virus and let our anti-bodies take care of the rest. The treatment isn't a cure. Only a Vaccine will stop the spread of this.
I agree that eventually there will be mandatory vaccinations for this disease as we have mandatory vaccinations for other infectious diseases.
You're a smart guy wise.

One of the problems is that these views are your personal opinion. but we don't know you well enough to take into account your personal opinion. in this case, will you say "no but I am talking about scientific data, you should consider this"? sorry, I don't click on external links. I can read if you quote.

Yeah, I'm smart enough. this is the flat world community, where the world's smartest people are. there are other clever people here than me and everyone is aware of this problem. If you pay attention, there is no such thing as panic here. be sure of the above possibilities everyone here knows, they just don't mention it. and there are those who are already part of the conspiracy. I mean, there are those who are already part of the global conspiracy, and if there was a situation that required panic, they would panic first before everybody.

If this problem really had to be mentioned, we would have talked about it. I will not get the vaccine they will develop whatever they do. Some members here, who are part of the conspiracy, will say, "We are very happy we had that vaccine," but no one will do it. and we know that.

Thank you for coming up here and informing us. this was not necessary. There really was no need for this. You can continue but this will be just waste of time for you.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:20:17 AM
Thank you for coming up here and informing us. this was not necessary. There really was no need for this. You can continue but this will be just waste of time for you.

It is my genuine pleasure.

I have no evidence for my opinions. They are merely my assumptions which you should consider as just assumptions.

These links are interesting.
Clicking them won't hurt your device but I respect your OPSEC.

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

This is a useful link to deny news sites clicks or read an article without visiting a site.
archive.is
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 03:21:34 AM
Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!

That's disgusting and unnecessary.
We are merely having a discussion about our opinions.
Isn't this a flat earth website?
I agree with unnecessary maybe.
But not disgusting.

It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.
1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers
There is a third possibility, it was caused by a virus that was passed on from animals to humans. The same way all other pandemics in history did. And seeing that there are a lot of places for human - animal contact in China, this is by a long shot the most likely scenario.

and your point 2)
There are so few actual anti-vaxer communitites outside of the USA that they have essentially no effect on on a Geo-political landscape. Basically, any time spent making a weapon for anti-vaxers is time 100% wasted.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 04, 2020, 03:24:53 AM
Ohahah. Harward. The world's most comedy univercity. >I remember a harward professor told there aren't chemtrails exist. This is a real page of harward, they claims chemtrails aren't exist and only a conspiracy.

I have asked him via mail that "What you mean conspiracy? Aren't you throwing medicines into swamps from the plane to kill mosquitoes? Is not it a kind of chemtrails?". He never replied me.  ;D
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 03:26:55 AM
There is a third possibility, it was caused by a virus that was passed on from animals to humans.

This is a strong possibility.

I'd appreciate it if we kept the anti-vax stuff contained in another thread.

It's my personal opinion that Vaccines do far more good than harm.

Ohahah. Harward. The world's most comedy univercity. >I remember a harward professor told there aren't chemtrails exist. This is a real page of harward, they claims chemtrails aren't exist and only a conspiracy.

I have asked him via mail that "What you mean conspiracy? Aren't you throwing medicines into swamps from the plane to kill mosquitoes? Is not it a kind of chemtrails?". He never replied me.  ;D

I'd also appreciate it if we kept chemtrail discussion contained in another thread.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on February 04, 2020, 03:34:02 AM
Don't feed the D1.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 04, 2020, 03:37:46 AM
Don't feed the D1.

ya vol    ;)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 04:18:14 AM
There is a third possibility, it was caused by a virus that was passed on from animals to humans.

This is a strong possibility.
Id say that its worth ignoring other possibilities until there is any real evidence that it was not from animals.
This is the official stance from not just China, but every major health organisation that is in the know.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 04, 2020, 09:38:58 AM
Don't feed the D1.
I'm skeptical it's him.  I don't think he can go 5 posts without mentioning the joos or some racial politics bullshit.  He just can't help it. 

Then again, not mentioning the Joos would be a great disguise.   :P

Let's see, if it is him there is only so long he can keep this up.  I already have an image of him like Dr Strangelove trying to control his impulses

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p07sh5nq.jpg)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on February 04, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Skeptical or not, it was. For an “anon” he really doesn’t keep his identity very well protected.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 05, 2020, 02:05:44 AM
Skeptical or not, it was. For an “anon” he really doesn’t keep his identity very well protected.
Ah, I see, fair enough.

He's doing very well then...so far.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2020, 05:46:26 AM
British scientist makes breakthrough in race for coronavirus vaccine: Sky News

Robin Shattock, head of mucosal infection and immunity at Imperial College London, said he is now at the stage to start testing the vaccine on animals as early as next week with human studies in the summer if enough funding is secured, Sky said.

“Conventional approaches usually take at least two to three years before you even get to the clinic,” he told Sky. “And we’ve gone from that sequence to generating a candidate in the laboratory in 14 days.”

The vaccine will be too late for this current outbreak but it will be crucial if there is another one, Sky said.

Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge, editing by Estelle Shirbon

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-britain-vaccine/british-scientist-makes-breakthrough-in-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine-sky-idUSKBN1ZZ13W

Which of us got surprised?  >:D

Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!) 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 05, 2020, 09:24:06 AM


Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 05, 2020, 03:58:05 PM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 05, 2020, 10:18:15 PM


Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
To be clear: I don't trust them. If Cuban or flat earther scientists work, I support them. Have you ever heard about Cuban scientists working hard on this subject? I did not hear. they are the only reliable medical scientists in the world. If they are not doing anything about it, so it is a deception.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 12:17:40 AM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?

The smallpox vaccine is actually dangerous. There were many deaths and injuries associated with its use. That is why despite the threat of its used in some future bio terrorism, no doctor wants to give it and be responsible for the death or injury that follows.

But this topic as you would be aware rab is not about diseases or vaccinations. It is about the coronavirus

Personally I feel the response from Australias government has been one of racism. If the coronavirus was in America, you can bet your house there would be NO TRAVEL BAN. But for the Chinese? Different story

Despite the fact that China is taking this threat far more seriously than America would do. Can you imagine America closing off entire states? Now China may be dodgy when reporting the numbers but they are taking this threat seriously.

Keep in mind the mortality rate, while yet to be finalised is very low. In the order of 2% or less. We also dont have figures on the age range of those or how the people who died were treated. For example, are the deaths mostly related to vulnerable people (old age, children or people with other medical conditions like diabetes or asthma etc).

The Australian government has stoked fear and racism that anybody who 'looks Asian' is treated like a leper. Heaven forbid if one of them coughs
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on February 06, 2020, 02:50:15 AM
Oh, imgur came back. I see shifter's signature again. Thanks IT.  :P
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 04:18:23 AM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?
The smallpox vaccine is actually dangerous.
Are we expected to take your word for it? Please supply evidence!

But why would any doctor give a smallpox vaccination today anyway?

There were risks in smallpox vaccination but far lower than the risk of dying from smallpox before any vaccines were developed.

That risk was about 1 in 1,000,000 vaccination, far lower than the risk of death in a car crash - do you drive a car?
Not only that but the vaccination was once only - driving a car is a regular event.

But be thankful that smallpox is now regarded as eradicated. - a bit late for me though but I'm still here with no reaction.

Read Smallpox by Sophie Ochmann and Max Roser (https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox)

Stop your silly attempts at deception just to support wise!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 04:49:45 AM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?
The smallpox vaccine is actually dangerous.
Are we expected to take your word for it? Please supply evidence!

But why would any doctor give a smallpox vaccination today anyway?

There were risks in smallpox vaccination but far lower than the risk of dying from smallpox before any vaccines were developed.

That risk was about 1 in 1,000,000 vaccination, far lower than the risk of death in a car crash - do you drive a car?
Not only that but the vaccination was once only - driving a car is a regular event.

But be thankful that smallpox is now regarded as eradicated. - a bit late for me though but I'm still here with no reaction.

Read Smallpox by Sophie Ochmann and Max Roser (https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox)

Stop your silly attempts at deception just to support wise!

Stay on the topic rab. This is not about smallpox but coronavirus. This is not about what you think about me or wise. Do you have anything to add about the coronavirus? Do you agree with Chinese being barred from entering Australia? Do you think if this were America would we bar Americans?

Theres a number in QLD that have been affected. Does that worry you? Hopefully none of them has acted as 'super spreaders'
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 06, 2020, 05:16:09 AM

 Do you think if this were America would we bar Americans?

I would hope so.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 06:16:54 AM

 Do you think if this were America would we bar Americans?

I would hope so.

The WHO seems to think the travel ban is not only near useless for stemming the spread of the outbreak but may actually hinder progress combating it

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/31/as-far-right-calls-for-china-travel-ban-health-experts-warn-coronavirus-response-would-suffer/

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 06, 2020, 06:40:36 AM

The WHO seems to think the travel ban is not only near useless for stemming the spread of the outbreak but may actually hinder progress combating it

Let's buy tickets for the WHO suits to fly to Wuhan
and see who gets on the plane.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 07:12:16 AM

The WHO seems to think the travel ban is not only near useless for stemming the spread of the outbreak but may actually hinder progress combating it

Let's buy tickets for the WHO suits to fly to Wuhan
and see who gets on the plane.

It's not about flying into Wuhan that's the problem. China already locked that down anyway. They are not going anywhere.

It's about indiscriminately banning everyone, from anywhere on the mainland that's the dumb idea. Keep in mind more than 99% of the Chinese are not infected. Screening and self isolation on arrival to other countries is prudent. Banning them from stepping foot in your country is over the top and stokes fear and xenophobia. Not helpful.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 06, 2020, 07:36:29 AM

It's not about flying into Wuhan that's the problem. China already locked that down anyway. They are not going anywhere.

Our government is flying 747's into Miramar Air Force Base 20 miles North of me full of potential vectors from Wuhan.
The get sprayed by people in hazmat suits on the tarmac and put into quarantine.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 06, 2020, 08:10:39 AM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?
The smallpox vaccine is actually dangerous.
Are we expected to take your word for it? Please supply evidence!

But why would any doctor give a smallpox vaccination today anyway?

There were risks in smallpox vaccination but far lower than the risk of dying from smallpox before any vaccines were developed.

That risk was about 1 in 1,000,000 vaccination, far lower than the risk of death in a car crash - do you drive a car?
Not only that but the vaccination was once only - driving a car is a regular event.

But be thankful that smallpox is now regarded as eradicated. - a bit late for me though but I'm still here with no reaction.

Read Smallpox by Sophie Ochmann and Max Roser (https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox)

Stop your silly attempts at deception just to support wise!

Stay on the topic rab. This is not about smallpox but coronavirus. This is not about what you think about me or wise. Do you have anything to add about the coronavirus? Do you agree with Chinese being barred from entering Australia? Do you think if this were America would we bar Americans?

Theres a number in QLD that have been affected. Does that worry you? Hopefully none of them has acted as 'super spreaders'

Dont spread fake news and there won’t be a problem.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 08:19:57 AM

It's not about flying into Wuhan that's the problem. China already locked that down anyway. They are not going anywhere.

Our government is flying 747's into Miramar Air Force Base 20 miles North of me full of potential vectors from Wuhan.
The get sprayed by people in hazmat suits on the tarmac and put into quarantine.

Well, the Chinese citizens are staying there. Australia is flying its citizens out of there as well but first they have to spend 2 weeks on a remote island in a 'detention centre'.

Here is a handy looking real time graph
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 08:27:42 AM
Vaxer: get vaccinated! get vaccinated! get vaccinated!
Antivaxer: Nahh! Nahh! Nahh! (nothing changed. Take your vaccine and get the hell out of my sunlight!)
To be clear:  you don't think scientists should be working on vaccines for deadly diseases?
Wise thinks that smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, poliomyelitis, yellow fever etc should still be permitted to unnecessarily kill hundreds of millions worldwide.
Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 300 to 500 million and polio has not only killed hundreds of thousands but left many more severely paralyzed.

But wise thinks he knows everything so would condemn these numbers to death - what sort of person would do that?
The smallpox vaccine is actually dangerous.
Are we expected to take your word for it? Please supply evidence!

But why would any doctor give a smallpox vaccination today anyway?

There were risks in smallpox vaccination but far lower than the risk of dying from smallpox before any vaccines were developed.

That risk was about 1 in 1,000,000 vaccination, far lower than the risk of death in a car crash - do you drive a car?
Not only that but the vaccination was once only - driving a car is a regular event.

But be thankful that smallpox is now regarded as eradicated. - a bit late for me though but I'm still here with no reaction.

Read Smallpox by Sophie Ochmann and Max Roser (https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox)

Stop your silly attempts at deception just to support wise!

Stay on the topic rab. This is not about smallpox but coronavirus. This is not about what you think about me or wise. Do you have anything to add about the coronavirus? Do you agree with Chinese being barred from entering Australia? Do you think if this were America would we bar Americans?

Theres a number in QLD that have been affected. Does that worry you? Hopefully none of them has acted as 'super spreaders'

Dont spread fake news and there won’t be a problem.

Ah, rabs bodyguard butting in to deflect the question from rab. I;m not sure what he's paying you with given he shills for free

I didn;t spread fake news by the way. The smallpox vaccine is a nasty one and has been directly related to deaths and injuries and will not be administered to anyone who wants it for that very reason. (if you work with it in a lab you will receive it though). This is not fake news.

Given you dont want rab to answer the question, maybe you like to answer it? (to avoid your unasked for interjection being utterly pointless and leave you standing looking like a knob)

Do you think that there were any racial reasons why our countries indiscriminately banned anyone from anywhere on mainland China? Do you think it's helpful? I for one bet my house if the virus was from America, Australia would not be banning Americans from travel here. As we shouldn't, it's not helpful.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 06, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
New diseases evolve all the time. We're still here. It's a terrible tragedy for the families of the people who die, and it's right and good that governments take appropriate measures and scientists work on finding treatments and doctors and nurses help people to survive the illness. But this one is no worse than a thousand others that are all out there doing their thing. The world continues to spin and the human race continues unabated in its effort to suffocate itself in its own pollution. In other words, nothing changes. Wash your hands, because you should anyway. And in the words of Sydnee McElroy of the Sawbones podcast: "If you're scared of coronavirus, get your flu shot." Because there's far more reason to be scared of the flu, which kills between 291,000 and 646,000 people every year.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 06, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Those deaths usually ignored. Especially for anti gun people.

Anyways the mortality rate is something to pay attention to. It’s around 0.05% for normal influenza and seems to be around 2% for the Coronavirus.

It looked like in the past though there have been strains with up to 60% mortality rate.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 03:22:04 PM
Those deaths usually ignored. Especially for anti gun people.

Anyways the mortality rate is something to pay attention to. It’s around 0.05% for normal influenza and seems to be around 2% for the Coronavirus.

It looked like in the past though there have been strains with up to 60% mortality rate.

Not to mention that while the flu might make you feel like crap, the corona virus puts a much greater percentage of people in hospital in a serious condition.

Developed countries may be able to treat and manage the patients, but if this were to spread into impoverished countries, the mortality rate could be much more devastating.

So we should be taking this threat much more serious than the flu, but it's also important not to go over the top. Fear sells. A government banning entire countries citizens from entering your country may seem populist and a good act to pretend your doing something but in reality it is not as helpful as they say.

What the world needs is good ideas, good management and less fear mongering of an entire race
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 06, 2020, 04:13:09 PM
But your chances of being infected with Novel Coronavirus are just about nil if you live in the developed world, as it is transmitted only by close direct contact, whereas flu is spread much more easily, and therefore infects an enormously greater number of people. Flu kills between 291,000 and 646,000 people every year. Corona has killed a few hundred. A tragedy for the families of the victims, but flu is a thousand times worse.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 04:13:27 PM
But be thankful that smallpox is now regarded as eradicated. - a bit late for me though but I'm still here with no reaction.

Read Smallpox by Sophie Ochmann and Max Roser (https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox)
!Stop your silly attempts at deception just to support wise
Stay on the topic rab. This is not about smallpox but coronavirus. This is not about what you think about me or wise.
Tell that to your master, Professor Wise. Some has to try to correct his deception!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 04:15:56 PM
What the world needs is good ideas, good management and less fear mongering of an entire race
So shut up and let those who know far more than you handle it!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 06, 2020, 04:55:27 PM
But your chances of being infected with Novel Coronavirus are just about nil if you live in the developed world, as it is transmitted only by close direct contact, whereas flu is spread much more easily, and therefore infects an enormously greater number of people. Flu kills between 291,000 and 646,000 people every year. Corona has killed a few hundred. A tragedy for the families of the victims, but flu is a thousand times worse.
I haven’t see any claims that it’s hard to contract. It went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month. That’s seems significant.

I’m not taking anything away from the flu. But this Coronavirus currently is a problem.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
But your chances of being infected with Novel Coronavirus are just about nil if you live in the developed world, as it is transmitted only by close direct contact, whereas flu is spread much more easily, and therefore infects an enormously greater number of people. Flu kills between 291,000 and 646,000 people every year. Corona has killed a few hundred. A tragedy for the families of the victims, but flu is a thousand times worse.
I haven’t see any claims that it’s hard to contract. It went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month. That’s seems significant.

I’m not taking anything away from the flu. But this Coronavirus currently is a problem.
Maybe that "went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month" is just a sign of the suggested cover-up by the Wuhan officials.
A local Chinese acquaintance who gets reports from that region (from Taiwan not the PRC) said that he heard that the real reason for the cover-up was to allow the party officials and top brass to leave before the virus got a hold.

But as a result, many possibly unknowingly infected people spread the coronavirus around the world.

Has anybody seen these reports?
Early missteps and state secrecy in China probably allowed the coronavirus to spread farther and faster (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/01/early-missteps-state-secrecy-china-likely-allowed-coronavirus-spread-farther-faster/)

As China Clamps Down on Negative News, Quarantines on Land and Sea (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html)

Quote from: JAMES PALMER | FEBRUARY 3, 2020, 2:50 PM
Chinese Officials Can’t Help Lying About the Wuhan Virus (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03/wuhan-coronavirus-coverup-lies-chinese-officials-xi-jinping/)
As fear of the Wuhan coronavirus seizes China, the outlines of the local government mistakes that gave the disease a critical monthlong head start are becoming apparent. Reporting in both foreign and domestic media paints a picture of a city government in Wuhan more concerned with political meetings than epidemic control—and where attempts by insiders, including eight separate doctors, to speak out were stamped on by police.

<< and much more >>

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
What the world needs is good ideas, good management and less fear mongering of an entire race
So shut up and let those who know far more than you handle it!

Wow, how unnessessarily hostile and petty to an honest post. Way to go old man. ???
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 06, 2020, 08:48:47 PM
What the world needs is good ideas, good management and less fear mongering of an entire race
So shut up and let those who know far more than you handle it!

Wow, how unnessessarily hostile and petty to an honest post. Way to go old man. ???
How else is someone expected to treat a troll like you?

You seem to ignore this:
It went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month. That’s seems significant.

I’m not taking anything away from the flu. But this Coronavirus currently is a problem.
Maybe that "went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month" is just a sign of the suggested cover-up by the Wuhan officials.
A local Chinese acquaintance who gets reports from that region (from Taiwan not the PRC) said that he heard that the real reason for the cover-up was to allow the party officials and top brass to leave before the virus got a hold.

But as a result, many possibly unknowingly infected people spread the coronavirus around the world.

Has anybody seen these reports?
Early missteps and state secrecy in China probably allowed the coronavirus to spread farther and faster (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/01/early-missteps-state-secrecy-china-likely-allowed-coronavirus-spread-farther-faster/)

As China Clamps Down on Negative News, Quarantines on Land and Sea (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html)

Quote from: JAMES PALMER | FEBRUARY 3, 2020, 2:50 PM
Chinese Officials Can’t Help Lying About the Wuhan Virus (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03/wuhan-coronavirus-coverup-lies-chinese-officials-xi-jinping/)
As fear of the Wuhan coronavirus seizes China, the outlines of the local government mistakes that gave the disease a critical monthlong head start are becoming apparent. Reporting in both foreign and domestic media paints a picture of a city government in Wuhan more concerned with political meetings than epidemic control—and where attempts by insiders, including eight separate doctors, to speak out were stamped on by police.

<< and much more >>
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
The fact is that the virus is spreading at exponentially at this point. And we only know how many people have been tested positive, not that are infected with its 14 day incubation period. Well over 100k people could be infected by now and we will only know in 2 weeks, by that time a million could be infected.

At a 2% mortality rate, this COULD possibly kill a few million people un-contained.
So there is a lot of reasons to be cautious of this.
However, creating fear is not the way to solve this either.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 12:26:43 AM
What the world needs is good ideas, good management and less fear mongering of an entire race
So shut up and let those who know far more than you handle it!

Wow, how unnessessarily hostile and petty to an honest post. Way to go old man. ???
How else is someone expected to treat a troll like you?

You seem to ignore this:
It went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month. That’s seems significant.

I’m not taking anything away from the flu. But this Coronavirus currently is a problem.
Maybe that "went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month" is just a sign of the suggested cover-up by the Wuhan officials.
A local Chinese acquaintance who gets reports from that region (from Taiwan not the PRC) said that he heard that the real reason for the cover-up was to allow the party officials and top brass to leave before the virus got a hold.

But as a result, many possibly unknowingly infected people spread the coronavirus around the world.

Has anybody seen these reports?
Early missteps and state secrecy in China probably allowed the coronavirus to spread farther and faster (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/01/early-missteps-state-secrecy-china-likely-allowed-coronavirus-spread-farther-faster/)

As China Clamps Down on Negative News, Quarantines on Land and Sea (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html)

Quote from: JAMES PALMER | FEBRUARY 3, 2020, 2:50 PM
Chinese Officials Can’t Help Lying About the Wuhan Virus (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03/wuhan-coronavirus-coverup-lies-chinese-officials-xi-jinping/)
As fear of the Wuhan coronavirus seizes China, the outlines of the local government mistakes that gave the disease a critical monthlong head start are becoming apparent. Reporting in both foreign and domestic media paints a picture of a city government in Wuhan more concerned with political meetings than epidemic control—and where attempts by insiders, including eight separate doctors, to speak out were stamped on by police.

<< and much more >>

I most certainly do not ignore that. Can you imagine our government or America closing down an entire state barring millions of people from free movement in an outbreak? I dont think so. China may have been lousy and late to take action (because of their stupid propaganda machine), but they are paying for that now

I'll take my cue from organisations like the WHO who think that the travel ban is not only not going to do much but actually unhelpful. I very much think this is a serious virus. Even if everyone lived the fact that this a a virus that puts you in hospital instead of simply being bedridden is a major problem for both understaffed and under resoruced hospitals and the economy.

So no, I'm not ignoring it. But I will call out the BS Xenophobia stoking and racism our government has handled this with. It is shameful and disgraceful and flies in the face of expert advice. But then, our government never actually listens to the experts. Just look at their stance on the climate.  ::)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 01:22:09 AM
So no, I'm not ignoring it. But I will call out the BS Xenophobia stoking and racism our government has handled this with. It is shameful and disgraceful and flies in the face of expert advice.
So professional whinger, Mr Shifter, could do everything better.
If you're so wonderful get off your backside and run the country yourself.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 01:24:11 AM
So no, I'm not ignoring it. But I will call out the BS Xenophobia stoking and racism our government has handled this with. It is shameful and disgraceful and flies in the face of expert advice.
So professional whinger, Mr Shifter, could do everything better.
If you're so wonderful get off your backside and run the country yourself.

An empty chair could run the country better than the corrupt and inept Prime Minister we are stuck with
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 01:34:54 AM
So professional whinger, Mr Shifter, could do everything better.
If you're so wonderful get off your backside and run the country yourself.

An empty chair could run the country better than the corrupt and inept Prime Minister we are stuck with
Well stop being a total hypocrite and at least try to fill that "empty chair" Mr All Talk No Action Shifter.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 01:44:08 AM
So professional whinger, Mr Shifter, could do everything better.
If you're so wonderful get off your backside and run the country yourself.

An empty chair could run the country better than the corrupt and inept Prime Minister we are stuck with
Well stop being a total hypocrite and at least try to fill that "empty chair" Mr All Talk No Action Shifter.

You have no idea how politics works in your own country. In order to get anywhere in politics you need to be a bastard and a psychopath. A liar and a cheat. A corrupt con man. I possess none of these qualities and have no desire to. Better to die poor but honest than rich and deceitful

Now can you start another thread if you wish to talk about this nonsense and leave this one to the coronavirus? If you wish to duel with me, stop shitting up every thread I post in to do it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 02:20:48 AM
In order to get anywhere in politics you need to be a bastard and a psychopath. A liar and a cheat. A corrupt con man.
Seems a perfect fit for you!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
In order to get anywhere in politics you need to be a bastard and a psychopath. A liar and a cheat. A corrupt con man.
Seems a perfect fit for you!

So nothing to add to the coronavirus discussion then? Then bug off and let the adults talk
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 03:17:25 AM
So nothing to add to the coronavirus discussion then? Then bug off and let the adults talk
I've said enough on the coronavirus but all seem spout is idiocy about how you know better than the professionals on everything.

But I'll let know-it-alls like you talk nonsense if that's what your majesty requires.
We'll just have to that one of the teams can produce an effective vaccine soon.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 03:24:32 AM
So nothing to add to the coronavirus discussion then? Then bug off and let the adults talk
I've said enough on the coronavirus but all seem spout is idiocy about how you know better than the professionals on everything.

But I'll let know-it-alls like you talk nonsense if that's what your majesty requires.
We'll just have to that one of the teams can produce an effective vaccine soon.

Actually, I have stated I follow the WHO stance on this if you cared to actually read. Our government thinks otherwise - which is at odds with the WHO and that is my gripe there. If you have said enough on the coronavirus then what are you still doing here? Stop being a pest
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2020, 04:24:30 AM
Here is a good site to follow concerning the Corona Virus infection rate.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
At this rate, it could infect almost everyone in the quarantined area.
My bet is that if it hits central africa (lots of Chinese there) it will become impossible to contain.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 04:43:13 AM
Here is a good site to follow concerning the Corona Virus infection rate.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
At this rate, it could infect almost everyone in the quarantined area.
My bet is that if it hits central africa (lots of Chinese there) it will become impossible to contain.

Quote
The attack rate or transmissibility (how rapidly the disease spreads) of a virus is indicated by its reproductive number (Ro, pronounced R-nought or r-zero), which represents the average number of people who will catch the disease from a single infected person.

A more recent study is indicating a Ro as high as 4.08.[22]. This value substantially exceeds WHO's estimate (made on Jan. 23) of between 1.4 and 2.5[13], and is also higher than recent estimates between 3.6 and 4.0 and between 2.24 to 3.58 [23]. Preliminary studies had estimated Ro to be between 1.5 and 3.5 [5][6][7]

Based on these numbers, on average every case of the Novel Coronavirus would create 3 to 4 new cases.

An outbreak with a reproductive number of below 1 will gradually disappear.

For comparison, the Ro for the common flu is 1.3 and for SARS it was 2.0.

Quite a worry there. As long as countries can keep infected people isolated it could burn itself out. Wuhan looks bad but as long as everyone stays there and dont expose themselves, in a few weeks that infection rate should start to drop. Given the incubation period, there are probably still a heap of people unknowingly carrying it and even then it will take another 2 weeks before they are over it. Could be months before you can safely say 'all clear' over there as no doubt when you think its over, someone ends up getting it and passing it on

Also whatever infected patient zero in the first place.... They need to find out for sure what it is and eliminate the threat so that people dont make the same mistake and get reinfected when its all over

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 07, 2020, 05:04:25 AM
Quite a worry there. As long as countries can keep infected people isolated it could burn itself out. Wuhan looks bad but as long as everyone stays there and dont expose themselves, in a few weeks that infection rate should start to drop. Given the incubation period, there are probably still a heap of people unknowingly carrying it and even then it will take another 2 weeks before they are over it. Could be months before you can safely say 'all clear' over there as no doubt when you think its over, someone ends up getting it and passing it on

Also whatever infected patient zero in the first place.... They need to find out for sure what it is and eliminate the threat so that people dont make the same mistake and get reinfected when its all over
I think there is close to Zero chance it will be fully contained. I have been to China, its a vast country that is still rife with corruption. If one person gets out the spread starts all over again. I can 100% bet that there are loads of people leaving the quarantine area for a few bucks.

The fact that some patients are having mild cold like symptoms while transmitting the virus means loads of people are not reporting to being infected. The incubation period makes it even worse.

At this point, the best bet is for a vaccine to come out before it goes too far.

In terms of what started it. Most new viruses get passed on from animals. Viruses mutate very quickly, so every now and then they mutate in a manner that makes them infectious to us. When you combine that with open meat markets that deal with wild life, you create the perfect recipe for a new virus. This is why all the new viruses you hear about over the last 20 or so years always come from developing countries.
For eg, Ebola exists in monkeys (not as bad to them as to us) but is not transmittable to humans in 99% of the cases. But every now and then a mutation makes it transmittable to humans, and some dumb ass decides to catch it for selling as meat.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 07, 2020, 08:11:18 AM
But your chances of being infected with Novel Coronavirus are just about nil if you live in the developed world, as it is transmitted only by close direct contact, whereas flu is spread much more easily, and therefore infects an enormously greater number of people. Flu kills between 291,000 and 646,000 people every year. Corona has killed a few hundred. A tragedy for the families of the victims, but flu is a thousand times worse.
I haven’t see any claims that it’s hard to contract. It went from possibly one sick person to 28,000 in a month. That’s seems significant.

I’m not taking anything away from the flu. But this Coronavirus currently is a problem.

Yes, it's a problem. It's not the end of the world. It is one more in the list of thousands of illnesses that could, but probably wont, kill you. And in that list it's nowhere near the top. And once a vaccine is developed it will be a very minor concern except among people who fall for the criminally-irresponsible nonsense of anti-vaxxers.

There are areas of China where people live in very close proximity to one another, making the spread of novel coronavirus much easier. The Sawbones podcast covered the mechanisms of its spread.

... In order to get anywhere in politics you need to be a bastard and a psychopath. A liar and a cheat. A corrupt con man. ...

I agree with this.

True story: I knew a guy, the father of the friend, who went into politics with high ideals and a desire to improve things. By the time he realized it was a mug's game, it was too late to switch careers. He had risen up in city politics but had realized that he could do nothing to really make things better and he was an unhappy and disappointed man.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
On two of the Chinese youtube channels I watch, the govt had created roadblocks so they can't leave their villages.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
But I'll let know-it-alls like you talk nonsense if that's what your majesty requires.
We'll just have to that one of the teams can produce an effective vaccine soon.

Actually, I have stated I follow the WHO stance on this if you cared to actually read. Our government thinks otherwise - which is at odds with the WHO and that is my gripe there.
But do you think that Australian residents and citizens (about 50% were of Chinese extraction) should have been left in Wuhan?
The Australian government could hardly evacuate everybody!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 04:20:48 PM
But I'll let know-it-alls like you talk nonsense if that's what your majesty requires.
We'll just have to that one of the teams can produce an effective vaccine soon.

Actually, I have stated I follow the WHO stance on this if you cared to actually read. Our government thinks otherwise - which is at odds with the WHO and that is my gripe there.
But do you think that Australian residents and citizens (about 50% were of Chinese extraction) should have been left in Wuhan?
The Australian government could hardly evacuate everybody!

Wuhan is locked down by the Chinese government. It is out of Australias hands. I don't  mind Australia taking them out following precautions.

I am disgusted with the indiscriminate ban on anyone from the mainland. More than 99% of Chinese are fine. And fear mongering and stoking stupid xenophobia about them is unhelpful and frankly wrong.

This could go on for months. It could be economically disastrous for us to hold firm this line too.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 05:25:51 PM
Wuhan is locked down by the Chinese government. It is out of Australias hands. I don't  mind Australia taking them out following precautions.

I am disgusted with the indiscriminate ban on anyone from the mainland. More than 99% of Chinese are fine.
How do know?
An unknown number of big-wigs, party officials and the "elite" left Wuhan before news of the infection in Wuhan was allowed to be announced.

Who knows where those of unknown infectious status ended up and who they might have infected.
I've no bias against Chinese, what with excellent Chinese dentist, surgeon/orthodontist, physiotherapist and orthopedic surgeon - they are all top-notch and I trust them.
A couple of those still have Chinese relatives in Taiwan and they hear of what is said locally.

I doubt anybody likes the situation but all you seem to do is bitch about what others should have done.
You might think that you're the smartest person in the world but that means nothing!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
I doubt anybody likes the situation but all you seem to do is bitch about what others should have done.
You might think that you're the smartest person in the world but that means nothing!

Then I suggest you read my posts again.

You can't seem to make a post without bitching about me ::)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
I doubt anybody likes the situation but all you seem to do is bitch about what others should have done.
You might think that you're the smartest person in the world but that means nothing!

Then I suggest you read my posts again.

You can't seem to make a post without bitching about me ::)
Right on and what do you do to my posts?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 07, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.

1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

Of course the coronavirus is not to "scare anti-vaxxers" but something needs to scare some sense into you and others like you!

Here watch this:

Facebook Antivaxxers Help Kill a Child by Jeff Holiday


And it's not simply a case of an unvaccinated child dies - that is tragic but not of itself evidence for or against vaccination.
But you need to watch how this one progresses.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on February 11, 2020, 04:20:24 AM
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-new-study-finds-incubation-period-of-up-to-24-days

So it could have a longer incubation period than thought, less than half of the people show signs of fever during incubation, and many of the tests they have been doing to screen people could have been less than incredibly effective. That's neat-o.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 11, 2020, 06:43:54 AM
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-new-study-finds-incubation-period-of-up-to-24-days

So it could have a longer incubation period than thought, less than half of the people show signs of fever during incubation, and many of the tests they have been doing to screen people could have been less than incredibly effective. That's neat-o.

Still not something to be scared of in first-world countries, since it's spread only by very close contact. But, yes, practice good hygiene because there are lots of diseases floating around everywhere and it just makes sense. But being scares of this one particular disease does not make sense. If your spouse has just returned from China, probably good idea to sleep in separate beds for a month.

Someone on a podcast mentioned people wearing face masks but continually pushing them aside in order to smoke. People are dumb.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 11, 2020, 08:14:45 AM

My partner is an infection control lead for the local trust, a  few years back she was asking one of the PPI reps about the sort of stuff they supplied and it turns out they did Hazmat suits, the white disposable ones with the pull over hoods and the biohazard logo on, and she managed to get him to let her have one of them (I didn’t ask okay).

So, I thought I might don it this weekend, walk around the housing estate opposite us with a clip board and spray red X’s on the doors of some of the people I know.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 11, 2020, 08:34:41 AM
Pure evil.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 11, 2020, 11:17:38 AM

My partner is an infection control lead for the local trust, a  few years back she was asking one of the PPI reps about the sort of stuff they supplied and it turns out they did Hazmat suits, the white disposable ones with the pull over hoods and the biohazard logo on, and she managed to get him to let her have one of them (I didn’t ask okay).

So, I thought I might don it this weekend, walk around the housing estate opposite us with a clip board and spray red X’s on the doors of some of the people I know.


That would be both sick and hilarious.  ;D
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 11, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
Pranks are no good.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/caution-coronavirus-prank-illinois-walmart-205545449.html

Gets you arrested.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 11, 2020, 10:10:47 PM
Seems the infection rate is decreasing.
Some of us may make it
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 11, 2020, 10:39:24 PM
And Australia's travel ban is seeing tens of thousands of Chinese students fly to third countries for 2 weeks before flying here to get around the ban

So this is one way our ban is counter productive to contain the spread.

Rather than come here and be required to isolate themselves for 2 weeks, they are flying all over the world, probably living normally, and then coming here. If any of them did end up having it, they may potentially spread it far and wide and to much poorer countries given you can spread this without feeling sick or showing symptoms

Well done Australia ::)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 12, 2020, 12:45:17 AM
And Australia's travel ban is seeing tens of thousands of Chinese students fly to third countries for 2 weeks before flying here to get around the ban

So this is one way our ban is counter productive to contain the spread.

Rather than come here and be required to isolate themselves for 2 weeks, they are flying all over the world, probably living normally, and then coming here. If any of them did end up having it, they may potentially spread it far and wide and to much poorer countries given you can spread this without feeling sick or showing symptoms

Well done Australia ::)
HAHAHA, you got to love the irony.
With all  the good intentions in the world, you still need to plan for stupid.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 24, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
The mythical land of Australia is going to save us all https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-coronavirus-vaccine-goes-into-test-production-20200221-p5436l.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 01:05:29 PM
The mythical land of Australia is going to save us all https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-coronavirus-vaccine-goes-into-test-production-20200221-p5436l.html

We also gave you antibiotics  8)

It's looking more and more likely this virus was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan and escaped containment. No wonder China went full retard on the people who first raised the alarm.  >:(
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Yes on February 24, 2020, 01:21:25 PM
It's looking more and more likely this virus was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan and escaped containment.
Howso?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 24, 2020, 01:23:02 PM
The mythical land of Australia is going to save us all https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-coronavirus-vaccine-goes-into-test-production-20200221-p5436l.html

We also gave you antibiotics  8)

It's looking more and more likely this virus was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan and escaped containment. No wonder China went full retard on the people who first raised the alarm.  >:(
You still can’t make a correct post.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

You fail.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 06:21:31 PM
The mythical land of Australia is going to save us all https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-coronavirus-vaccine-goes-into-test-production-20200221-p5436l.html

We also gave you antibiotics  8)

It's looking more and more likely this virus was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan and escaped containment. No wonder China went full retard on the people who first raised the alarm.  >:(
You still can’t make a correct post.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

You fail.

And that 'paper' means what to me exactly?

All it proves is you asked Google a leading question to find an answer. ::)

You notice I didn't definitively say this was cooked up in a lab (a lab that deals with this virus and happens to be a stones throw away from the 'market' where this started). Just that it was looking more 'likely'

Your obsession with trying to paint me as a failure is getting old. You fail every time you try and do that

Oh the irony ::)

Also, a you a Chinese government mouthpiece now? lol
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 24, 2020, 06:50:33 PM
The mythical land of Australia is going to save us all https://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-coronavirus-vaccine-goes-into-test-production-20200221-p5436l.html

We also gave you antibiotics  8)

It's looking more and more likely this virus was cooked up in a lab in Wuhan and escaped containment. No wonder China went full retard on the people who first raised the alarm.  >:(
You still can’t make a correct post.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

You fail.

And that 'paper' means what to me exactly?

All it proves is you asked Google a leading question to find an answer. ::)
I provided a source. You should try it sometime.

Quote
You notice I didn't definitively say this was cooked up in a lab (a lab that deals with this virus and happens to be a stones throw away from the 'market' where this started). Just that it was looking more 'likely'

Yes, a baseless claim. No supporting information at all. You have your opinion, nothing more.

Quote
Your obsession with trying to paint me as a failure is getting old. You fail every time you try and do that

Oh the irony ::)

Also, a you a Chinese government mouthpiece now? lol
I’m not painting you anything. You are doing it with your baseless claims.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 07:15:28 PM
Am I not entitled to have an opinion?

How can an opinion on a matter make someone 'fail'. It's my opinion to a question that's obviously out there that does not have a definitive answer. ::)

If I said 'this definately came from that Wuhan lab in China' then I agree, I should back it up with evidence and a source. But I didn't say that.

And you call me the failure ::) Get a grip!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 24, 2020, 07:22:08 PM
You were trying to make a claim. I called it an opinion.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
It was an opinion. You also called it an opinion. Then you proceeded to tell me my opinion was wrong, linked a paper but as of yet, no evidence either way exists. So saying that I fail is indeed only your fail. ::)

I can see why calling China out on this virus would only be an unhelpful distraction at this time. For the greater good it's better to plod along as if this was completely natural regardless of its origin.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 24, 2020, 07:46:24 PM
It was an opinion. You also called it an opinion. Then you proceeded to tell me my opinion was wrong, linked a paper but as of yet, no evidence either way exists. So saying that I fail is indeed only your fail. ::)
Your claim was unsupported making it an opinion. You had no intention of calling it an opinion, especially because it means nothing as an opinion.

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I can see why calling China out on this virus would only be an unhelpful distraction at this time. For the greater good it's better to plod along as if this was completely natural regardless of its origin.
You act like this is the first corona virus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
It was an opinion. You also called it an opinion. Then you proceeded to tell me my opinion was wrong, linked a paper but as of yet, no evidence either way exists. So saying that I fail is indeed only your fail. ::)
Your claim was unsupported making it an opinion. You had no intention of calling it an opinion, especially because it means nothing as an opinion.

Quote
I can see why calling China out on this virus would only be an unhelpful distraction at this time. For the greater good it's better to plod along as if this was completely natural regardless of its origin.
You act like this is the first corona virus.

Sigh

I bet if I said 'this virus was naturally occuring and was transmitted through the seafood market in Wuhan' (the official line), you would have googled the 'conspiracy' to try and take 'an opposing view to Shifter'

Your obsession with me is pathetic.

No it is not the 'first corona virus'. I never said that.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/alerts/Pages/coronavirus-faqs.aspx#1-1

Some info I was already versed in


You really should let this thread be more about the topic and less about your personal battle against me. It's not a good look for you
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 24, 2020, 08:29:52 PM
It was an opinion. You also called it an opinion. Then you proceeded to tell me my opinion was wrong, linked a paper but as of yet, no evidence either way exists. So saying that I fail is indeed only your fail. ::)
Your claim was unsupported making it an opinion. You had no intention of calling it an opinion, especially because it means nothing as an opinion.

Quote
I can see why calling China out on this virus would only be an unhelpful distraction at this time. For the greater good it's better to plod along as if this was completely natural regardless of its origin.
You act like this is the first corona virus.

Sigh

I bet if I said 'this virus was naturally occuring and was transmitted through the seafood market in Wuhan' (the official line), you would have googled the 'conspiracy' to try and take 'an opposing view to Shifter'
Jumping to unsupported conclusions again. I take the science stance on everything. Speaking of which it the virus probably did not come from sea food. Do you have your source? I bet not. It most likely came from a mammal. You know, where Coronavirus come from.



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Your obsession with me is pathetic.
Not an obsession. You just make a unusually high amount of incorrect posts.
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No it is not the 'first corona virus'. I never said that.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/alerts/Pages/coronavirus-faqs.aspx#1-1

Some info I was already versed in


You really should let this thread be more about the topic and less about your personal battle against me. It's not a good look for you
Let me know what else I can teach you.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
It was an opinion. You also called it an opinion. Then you proceeded to tell me my opinion was wrong, linked a paper but as of yet, no evidence either way exists. So saying that I fail is indeed only your fail. ::)
Your claim was unsupported making it an opinion. You had no intention of calling it an opinion, especially because it means nothing as an opinion.

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I can see why calling China out on this virus would only be an unhelpful distraction at this time. For the greater good it's better to plod along as if this was completely natural regardless of its origin.
You act like this is the first corona virus.

Sigh

I bet if I said 'this virus was naturally occuring and was transmitted through the seafood market in Wuhan' (the official line), you would have googled the 'conspiracy' to try and take 'an opposing view to Shifter'
Jumping to unsupported conclusions again. I take the science stance on everything. Speaking of which it the virus probably did not come from sea food. Do you have your source? I bet not. It most likely came from a mammal. You know, where Coronavirus come from.



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Your obsession with me is pathetic.
Not an obsession. You just make a unusually high amount of incorrect posts.
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No it is not the 'first corona virus'. I never said that.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/alerts/Pages/coronavirus-faqs.aspx#1-1

Some info I was already versed in


You really should let this thread be more about the topic and less about your personal battle against me. It's not a good look for you
Let me know what else I can teach you.

The 'seafood market' dumbo. That's what it's called. It's not limited to only seafood. Obviously.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanan_Seafood_Wholesale_Market

You really are pathetic. Then, I guess we should expect nothing less from you. Seriously, let it go man. It's not healthy
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 24, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
WOW, these people know how to eat . . .


According to media reports, besides seafood,[16] items sold at the market included:

    Badgers[20]
    Bats[21]
    Beavers[22]
    Camel[3][20]
    Chickens[21]
    Civets[23]
    Crab[17]
    Crocodiles[3]
    Dogs[23]
    Donkeys[20]
    Emmental cheese[24]
    Fish[16]
    Foxes[3]
    Giant salamanders[3]
    Hedgehog[24]
    Herbs[24]
    "Koalas"[12][25][a]
    Marmots[21]
    Ostrich[7]
    Otters[23]
    Peacocks[3]
    Pheasants[8]
    Pigs[20]
    Porcupines[3]
    Rabbit organs[26]
    Rats[3]
    Sheep[20]
    Shrimp[17]
    Spices[16]
    Spotted deer[26]
    Striped bass[17]
    Turtles[17]
    Vegetables[17]
    Venomous snakes (including Bungarus multicinctus)[27]
    Wolf puppies[3]
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2020, 10:21:42 PM
They eat Koalas too? F those guys >:(
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 25, 2020, 04:40:53 AM
They eat Koalas too? F those guys >:(

And wolf puppies.

Is that a bad thing?
I enjoy sea urchin gonads.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 25, 2020, 06:08:12 AM

Emmental cheese?? The bastards!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 25, 2020, 06:17:50 AM
OMG . . . Vegetables
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 25, 2020, 06:30:44 AM
Porcupines. I've got nothing against people eating porcupines, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it. I read about a guy who ate a porcupine but didn't get all the needles off first. The big ones are easy, but there are smaller and smaller ones, and a tiny one remained, and it lodged in his gut and became infected and he died.

As for the origin of the virus, the notion that the Chinese created it intentionally is extremely far-fetched. I'd go so far as to say utterly ridiculous. Viruses mutate all the time. That's why we need a new flu vaccine every year. But then, this is the FES, so one expects such notions to pop up with some regularity.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 25, 2020, 07:04:29 AM
Now the question is do they need to eat everything they can to survive or is it because of “Chinese Medicine “ or something like that?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 25, 2020, 07:13:56 AM
Now the question is do they need to eat everything they can to survive or is it because of “Chinese Medicine “ or something like that?
I believe its largely novelty, and part of dietary tradition.
When I was in China I saw shark fin everywhere, Apparently they love it, but I could not get myself to try knowing how destructive it is.
I also saw everything that once lived displayed in a market, so they really do eat whatever they can find.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 25, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
The Chinese culture seems much less inhibited than ours regarding what is fit to eat and what is not.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 25, 2020, 01:09:07 PM
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The U.S. has “contained” the coronavirus, NEC Director Larry Kudlow says. “Pretty close to airtight.”

Don't worry everyone, we're all going to die, but the economy will be okay https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1232375865054547968?s=20
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 25, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
That checks out.  I've never known the Trump administration to lie to us.  Everything should be okay.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 26, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1232652371832004608?s=20
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Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape! @CDCgov .....


lol

We are going to die.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on February 26, 2020, 01:29:27 PM
We are going to die.

Of course we're all going to die. Probably not of the coronavirus, but we're all going to die sooner or later.  :o
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 26, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/radio/rush-limbaugh-suggests-cdc-official-is-out-to-get-trump-because-shes-rod-rosensteins-sister/

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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh seemed to bash a top official from the Centers for Disease Control by insinuating she’s among those who are trying to overhype fears of the coronavirus and bring down President Donald Trump.

After claiming that the virus was “weaponized” by the Chinese and that the media is “gleeful” that this will be a new problem for Trump, Limbaugh turned his attention on Tuesday to a recent announcement from Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. Messonier warned that the coronavirus pandemic will inevitably spread to the United States, which prompted Limbaugh to focus on the fact that Messonnier is the sister of former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein.

Give him another Medal of Freedom for exposing this Deep State operative!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 26, 2020, 03:37:49 PM
I've got to say that so far Trump has been very restrained about this.  He is failing to prepare for this.  But I find it odd that he's not taking this opportunity to declare a national emergency and hermetically seal the country.

Maybe he doesn't understand what an epidemic is.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 26, 2020, 03:46:24 PM
He's gonna have a press conference tonight, I think in about 15 minutes.

OH no, it had already started.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 27, 2020, 01:57:32 AM
He won't appoint a Czar but he'll put Pence on it.

And he (Trump) was amazing at the early action and decisions he did.  At least according to Trump.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 27, 2020, 04:03:36 AM
I've got to say that so far Trump has been very restrained about this.  He is failing to prepare for this.  But I find it odd that he's not taking this opportunity to declare a national emergency and hermetically seal the country.

Maybe he doesn't understand what an epidemic is.
He's meant to be a germaphobe, so might be downplaying it in public and locked in a bubble off camera.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 27, 2020, 04:07:46 AM
I've got to say that so far Trump has been very restrained about this.  He is failing to prepare for this.  But I find it odd that he's not taking this opportunity to declare a national emergency and hermetically seal the country.

Maybe he doesn't understand what an epidemic is.

Its because doing so implies he failed to stop it from entering and being a problem.

He is showing how great he is by proclaiming loudly "There is no problem because I solved it already."
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 27, 2020, 09:27:23 AM
It really looks like this virus is gonna do the distance.
Wonder if we should place bets about how fast it runs through Africa? There is one tested case in Algeria, meaning probably a good thousand people have it in the continent now/
We have pretty much no chance here. Open borders, bad to no central health planning, communities that distrust authority, total recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Yes on February 27, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
I wonder if this will be the end of North Korea.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 27, 2020, 11:07:06 AM
I wonder if this will be the end of North Korea.

Are you kidding?  North Korea is probably the most well protected country from this. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 27, 2020, 11:42:26 AM
I wonder if this will be the end of North Korea.

Are you kidding?  North Korea is probably the most well protected country from this.

There are already rumblings it's inside North Korea. But even if North Korea had it, you'd wonder if they'd admit it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 27, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
Dean Koontz predicted this 40 years ago. https://twitter.com/ScotlandsUnico1/status/1232815975810113543?s=20
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 27, 2020, 09:42:50 PM
Dean Koontz predicted this 40 years ago. https://twitter.com/ScotlandsUnico1/status/1232815975810113543?s=20
I find coincidences like this extremely interesting.
But there are some ways to link the 40 year old prediction to the actual event.
For one Wuhan had China first Level 4 bio-hazard containment center. I think it was officially completed much more recently, but the university in Wuhan had been playing with all kinds of bio-nasties for quite sometime, quite probably well before the book was written.
The co-incidence would be that this outbreak was first detected in Wuhan, But it could easily have started outside of Wuhan, its just that Wuhan had the facilities to test for it. Which makes Wuhan a much more likely "epicenter" for first detection.
Its still interesting that the link was made. Very cool
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on February 28, 2020, 04:05:09 AM
All this over a virus that has a kill rate of ?

Seems like most of you malthusians would be cheering on the virus, especially you breadcrumb...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 28, 2020, 04:21:21 AM
All this over a virus that has a kill rate of ?

Seems like most of you malthusians would be cheering on the virus, especially you breadcrumb...

If the mortality rate is 2%, for every million that are affected, 20,000 will die. If you could avoid that you should

But it's not just the fact almost everyone will live from it. The rate of hospitalizations are far more than that of something like influenza. It will clog the hospital system which could lead to people getting sicker than they should, end up with worse health outcomes or even die from unrelated causes thanks to a hospital that is overwhelmed.

Even if a country goes 'to hell with it, just let it do its thing' and ravage the population, the damage to the economy from people getting sick, taking time off work and even dying (if everyone in America caught it, several million would die) would be immeasurable. Certainly devastating.

So countries are right to try and curb its spread. At least until we have vaccines or other countermeasures to combat it
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on February 28, 2020, 04:30:01 AM
All this over a virus that has a kill rate of ?
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Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5yKvPKKj/COVID-19-Fatality-Rate-by-AGE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNHc852S)
It's not good news for older people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 28, 2020, 05:13:51 AM
This means millions of Trump supporters could die.
Who would cheer him then?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 28, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
Actually, with all the rallying Trump will do, he has a high risk of catching it.  And the highest risk if dying from it due to his age.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 28, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
I can see the conspiracy theories now.

"Coronovirus is a liberal hoax to prevent Trump from hosting rallies!"
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 28, 2020, 11:15:44 AM
I can see the conspiracy theories now.

"Coronovirus is a liberal hoax to prevent Trump from hosting rallies!"

Or, if he gets sick:

"Liberals use biological weapon, corona virus,  against Trump!"
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 28, 2020, 11:31:04 AM
Actually, with all the rallying Trump will do, he has a high risk of catching it.
Especially with all that spittle flying everywhere.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 28, 2020, 07:05:05 PM
So I've been reading up on this here and there today and I have to say I don't get what the big deal is.

I find something like this https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/just-in/2020-02-20/whats-big-deal-experts-unpack-coronavirus-outbreak
But they just allude to things they don't know about the virus.  Maybe China knows something we don't.  But as far as I can tell if I had the choice between the coronavirus and the flu I think I'm better off getting the coronavirus.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-survival-rate
"unknowns"
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
"a lot of unknowns"
https://www.today.com/health/what-are-coronavirus-symptoms-t174824
"it's unknown"

WTF!?  We're all shitting ourselves over something more mild than the flu?  Is this thing the Kim Kardassian or diseases?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on February 28, 2020, 07:29:15 PM
Don’t need to know that info, just need a welder.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on February 28, 2020, 08:31:45 PM
So I've been reading up on this here and there today and I have to say I don't get what the big deal is.

I find something like this https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/just-in/2020-02-20/whats-big-deal-experts-unpack-coronavirus-outbreak
But they just allude to things they don't know about the virus.  Maybe China knows something we don't.  But as far as I can tell if I had the choice between the coronavirus and the flu I think I'm better off getting the coronavirus.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-survival-rate
"unknowns"
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
"a lot of unknowns"
https://www.today.com/health/what-are-coronavirus-symptoms-t174824
"it's unknown"

WTF!?  We're all shitting ourselves over something more mild than the flu?  Is this thing the Kim Kardassian or diseases?
I'm not sure I'd call this milder than the flu. So far there are reports that it is more infectious than the flu by a wide margin. As of right now, the mortality rate is around 2%, low but higher than the 0.1% of the flu. This could end up seriously disrupting daily life if it spreads like it possibly could, but it'll be far short of a new plague level event.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 28, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
So I've been reading up on this here and there today and I have to say I don't get what the big deal is.

I find something like this https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/just-in/2020-02-20/whats-big-deal-experts-unpack-coronavirus-outbreak
But they just allude to things they don't know about the virus.  Maybe China knows something we don't.  But as far as I can tell if I had the choice between the coronavirus and the flu I think I'm better off getting the coronavirus.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-survival-rate
"unknowns"
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
"a lot of unknowns"
https://www.today.com/health/what-are-coronavirus-symptoms-t174824
"it's unknown"

WTF!?  We're all shitting ourselves over something more mild than the flu?  Is this thing the Kim Kardassian or diseases?
I'm not sure I'd call this milder than the flu. So far there are reports that it is more infectious than the flu by a wide margin. As of right now, the mortality rate is around 2%, low but higher than the 0.1% of the flu. This could end up seriously disrupting daily life if it spreads like it possibly could, but it'll be far short of a new plague level event.

Not to mention, the flu makes you feel like crap and confined to bed but the corona virus is putting far more percentage of infected in hospital. A clogged hospital system will have greater implications beyond this virus alone.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 28, 2020, 11:48:07 PM
So I've been reading up on this here and there today and I have to say I don't get what the big deal is.

I find something like this https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/just-in/2020-02-20/whats-big-deal-experts-unpack-coronavirus-outbreak
But they just allude to things they don't know about the virus.  Maybe China knows something we don't.  But as far as I can tell if I had the choice between the coronavirus and the flu I think I'm better off getting the coronavirus.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-survival-rate
"unknowns"
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
"a lot of unknowns"
https://www.today.com/health/what-are-coronavirus-symptoms-t174824
"it's unknown"

WTF!?  We're all shitting ourselves over something more mild than the flu?  Is this thing the Kim Kardassian or diseases?
I'm not sure I'd call this milder than the flu. So far there are reports that it is more infectious than the flu by a wide margin. As of right now, the mortality rate is around 2%, low but higher than the 0.1% of the flu. This could end up seriously disrupting daily life if it spreads like it possibly could, but it'll be far short of a new plague level event.

Okay.  The infectiousness is an important consideration.  Reading up on this more apparently the flu is not something that's usually airborne.  And they believe that the coronavirus might be airborne.

So if that's true I can see how this would be a big deal.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 29, 2020, 12:34:00 AM
I dont know why people dont think this is a big deal.
If an Aircraft crashes and 200 people die every one shits themselves and they ground aircraft.
This virus is so far killing more than a 100 people a day, and all indications are that this is just the very beginning.

The death toll of this virus could be well over a million people before the end of this year, with some projections saying as much as 60 million people.

But almost as important; This is why I think this virus is important and we should pay attention to it.

- Currently the USA (and RSA) is in the middle of universal health care policy talks, If this becomes big, it will massively drive how those discussions pan out in 2020 and beyond. If you care about that discussion, you should pay attention

- The illegal animal trade in China is responsible for a lot of poaching in Africa, you guys may not care as much, but here, where I am from, this is a big issue. The coronavirus has clearly been linked to contaminated wild meat. China has now seemed to take notice, and may actually start doing something about this. There are a lot of species that are not just rhino that could be saved by this.

- The global economy is seeing its biggest crash since 2008 financial collapse. This is very much due to having concentrated so much production capability in one country. Once china stopped exporting certain products due to factory closures, other traders and producers in the world also needed to close. This may lead to a more distributed production and supply chain in the world, which is a very good thing.

So there are a lot of reasons why this virus matters, beyond the fact that it could kill millions of people.
It is testing the human race, allowing all of our systems to become more robust. Everything from Health to manufacturing is being effected by this.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 29, 2020, 12:37:20 AM
Yeah.  Its basically a more infectious flu that mostly kills elderly people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 29, 2020, 12:46:05 AM
Now that I think about it more I can see what the real damage it's going to do is.  People staying home and not spending money because they're afraid to get sick.

The loss of life is almost insignificant compared to damage it'll do to the economy.  If it's an infectious as they say then it seems that it would most definitely cause another recession. 

About the only way out soon would be developing a vaccine.  But Trump's an antivaxxer so...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 29, 2020, 12:52:04 AM
Now that I think about it more I can see what the real damage it's going to do is.  People staying home and not spending money because they're afraid to get sick.

The loss of life is almost insignificant compared to damage it'll do to the economy.  If it's an infectious as they say then it seems that it would most definitely cause another recession. 

About the only way out soon would be developing a vaccine.  But Trump's an antivaxxer so...

Oh its not just people not spending money, its the loss of employee work from them taking a week or two of sick time.

However, America has this tiny issue where the low skill, low wage jobs have no sick time and are so bad that no one in one can afford a day off.  Like retail and food services.  Ya know, the groups most likely to infect a massive amount of people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 29, 2020, 12:53:15 AM
Now that I think about it more I can see what the real damage it's going to do is.  People staying home and not spending money because they're afraid to get sick.

The loss of life is almost insignificant compared to damage it'll do to the economy.  If it's an infectious as they say then it seems that it would most definitely cause another recession. 

About the only way out soon would be developing a vaccine.  But Trump's an antivaxxer so...

Trump an antivaxxer? Good. Get an infected person to sneeze on his face. 2020 election problem solved

In all seriousness, I was going to go to Dalian this April for my annual leave. Not anymore! Of course I will go again, hopefully this virus has run its course or a vaccine developed by the end of the year but the delay in people spending in the meantime can have permanent implications. Think about all the shops that have to close in the hard hit regions. What are the people doing about an income? Earning money to pay rent? Life will return to normal but maybe not before many people may go completely broke and unable to pick up where they left off.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on February 29, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 29, 2020, 01:04:47 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/coronavirus-vaccine-animal-testing-days-away-uq-researchers/11991456

America will just wait for other countries to break their backs doing the hard yards then swoop in as the 'saviour'  8)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 29, 2020, 01:22:10 AM
So the real question I have at the moments is what do I do with my vacation this year?

I was thinking of going diving in the Red Sea, but with Coronavirus running amok in Italy, I may opt to see what travel specials are coming up super cheap there?

My biggest fear is the airlines cancelling flights due to airports closing.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on February 29, 2020, 01:38:23 AM
You should try go fucking yourself and going home.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on February 29, 2020, 01:38:42 AM
I'm so getting banned tonight.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on February 29, 2020, 01:40:36 AM
That's okay, because I'm right. And to reduce it down to flights is shit. And you lot know it. This is our home. Fuck off. If sando and wise and tom and others won't defend it, you will be damned sure my crazy ass will.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on February 29, 2020, 01:41:49 AM
Hey jack black and rabitans? Come tell your wives back home how you did a good job.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on February 29, 2020, 03:53:18 AM
I think John has been spending a bit too much time alone with cheap whisky again
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 29, 2020, 04:19:25 AM
I think John has been spending a bit too much time alone with cheap whisky again

I think he's either drunk, snapped or hacked. If this is the 'real John' than it is utterly deplorable behaviour by an admin. And what's with shutting the forum down with a 'we are coming' nonsense?

Well I hope he's sleeping it off now
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 29, 2020, 04:55:57 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again


From your link:
Quote
A key milestone is actually generating the vaccine prior to putting it into animal studies.


No shit?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 29, 2020, 05:07:47 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again


From your link:
Quote
A key milestone is actually generating the vaccine prior to putting it into animal studies.


No shit?

Indeed, However I think it's regarding the fact that only weeks after this virus was discovered, we are already there.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 29, 2020, 05:16:14 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again


From your link:
Quote
A key milestone is actually generating the vaccine prior to putting it into animal studies.


No shit?

Indeed, However I think it's regarding the fact that only weeks after this virus was discovered, we are already there.

You deserve an award.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on February 29, 2020, 05:17:09 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again


From your link:
Quote
A key milestone is actually generating the vaccine prior to putting it into animal studies.


No shit?

Indeed, However I think it's regarding the fact that only weeks after this virus was discovered, we are already there.

You deserve an award.

I do  8)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 29, 2020, 06:58:58 AM
Well if I were Trump I would immediately sign an executive order to put an obscene amount of money into developing a vaccine.

Don't worry, Australia comes to the vaccine rescue again


From your link:
Quote
A key milestone is actually generating the vaccine prior to putting it into animal studies.


No shit?

I personally would not be shocked to hear people ask "Why didn't they make a vaccine before it infected people?"
Because a small percentage if people in the world are dumb.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 29, 2020, 08:36:42 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

Quote
NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. — President Donald Trump on Friday night tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term, lumping it alongside impeachment and the Mueller investigation.

He blamed the press for acting hysterically about the virus, which has now spread to China, Japan, South Korea, Iran, Italy and the U.S, and he downplayed its dangers, saying against expert opinion it was on par with the flu.

“The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. They're politicizing it,” he said. “They don't have any clue. They can't even count their votes in Iowa. No, they can't. They can't count their votes. One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax.”

Then Trump called the coronavirus “their new hoax.”


Nothing to worry about everyone. Go shopping.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on February 29, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
Eh.  CNN and democrats are basically saying Trump isn't taking this seriously and is dragging his feet.  Which is true, but according to him, he already solved it early.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 29, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
Trump is not doing himself any favors. I agree with what I think he is trying to do, which is keep people from panicking, but he is not choosing the best people to handle the situation. Pence is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He has access to the most brilliant medical people in the world, he should use them. All he has to do is appear calm and show that he has it under control.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on February 29, 2020, 02:05:02 PM
Nothing to worry about everyone. Go shopping.
Can't.  China is shut down and not making the stuff that I want to buy.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 29, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Nothing to worry about everyone. Go shopping.
Can't.  China is shut down and not making the stuff that I want to buy.

Buy from Amazon instead.   ;D
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on February 29, 2020, 10:21:49 PM
Nothing to worry about everyone. Go shopping.
Can't.  China is shut down and not making the stuff that I want to buy.

Buy from Amazon instead.   ;D

Where do you think they get their stuff from?  ....   Doh!

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 01, 2020, 05:24:56 AM
Brazil?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 01, 2020, 06:53:33 AM
.. Pence is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He has access to the most brilliant medical people in the world, he should use them. ...

Problem is, he's a science-denier: he doesn't believe those experts because they are scientists. Same for Trump but more so.

Oops, I forgot where I'm posting. This is the FES. Sorry. Ignore the above...

Trump and Pence don't want to stop the virus because they are lizard people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
Your inability to figure out this forum is getting pretty sad.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 01, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
3,000 people have died from ncov19 in China, where it started and there are the most cases. One person has died in the U.S. from ncov19. Between 18,000 and 46,000 people have died of the flu in the U.S. in the past 12 months.

Every death is a tragedy, and the government should be taking appropriate measures. But the widespread hysteria is not justified by the facts. Yes, ncov19 is a very serious disease. But it's a serious disease among many. Rather than cries of doom, we need scientific research to better understand it, and to develop a vaccine. Sadly, our anti-science president has gutted the science departments of the government because science refutes his cockamamie conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 01, 2020, 05:16:02 PM
So far it seems to have a roughly 3% mortality rate, weighted toward older people, in addition to a seemingly pretty high transmissibility. The potential strain on global healthcare systems is high, the potential cost to care for those that fall sick from it is also very high. There are a huge amount of unknowns at this time. Comparing it to deaths from the flu (which has a lower mortality rate, a known and relatively low rate of transmission, and a studied history on how it will impact our healthcare system) is not only irrelevant, but dangerous.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
I really haven't seen any widespread hysteria. The only overreactions have been from the stock market.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 01, 2020, 05:39:32 PM
I have seen some concern here.  Some people are wearing face masks. At the grocery store today people have been raising the bottled water and macaroni and cheese.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 01, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
I feel like I should restate a little bit of my last post. I certainly don't think hysteria is a good position for people to take. But I do think a healthy dose of awareness and concern are warranted, hence my comment about comparing it to the flu being meaningless at best given the dramatic differences between the two. Of course people shouldn't be hysterical about this, and I totally get that there is some degree of hysteria that is taking place and humanity should certainly be taking the high road in keeping that to a minimum. My only point was that we should still remain vigilant in taking reasonable measures to ensure we're keeping transmission down, especially given how easy it seems this virus can move through a population, and we should acknowledge the impact it could have on the subset of the population that is most vulnerable while also trying to mitigate against those infections, so as to minimize the impact it has on our healthcare infrastructure.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2020, 06:27:08 PM
I am not panicking about this, but I am worried about our old people (Florida has a few!). We're a huge tourist destination, March Madness and spring break are about to happen. I could see what's happening in Italy happening here.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 01, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
About 30 - 70 million people are projected to die from this.
I am not sure what level of concern wiping out a whole country (France, 66 million) worth of people should be, but I think it should be high.

Put another way, If people where not super concerned about this virus, it probably would have spread a lot further by now, hysteria (the calm thinking kind) is currently saving a lot of lives.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 02, 2020, 02:38:42 AM
Its in my town.  One person confirmed, three quarantine. (Living together so probably a family.)

I expect to get it myself given where me and my wife work.  I will let you know how it is.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 02, 2020, 05:31:45 AM
I really haven't seen any widespread hysteria. The only overreactions have been from the stock market.
If it even was.  Quite a few people believed the stock market had been ready to go pop for a while - coronvirus was just the pin.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 02, 2020, 05:40:56 AM
I believe the US is up to 2 deaths now and about 7-10 states with cases. I thought I had heard something about Florida having a case pop up. I'm hoping the US can hold out just a little longer as I'm getting married in 2 weeks and have a cruise to the Bahamas scheduled for the week after. At this rate, I'm starting to feel concerned the US is going to end up being blocked from international travel by then.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 02, 2020, 07:55:24 AM
Yes, it's a serious disease, which is why we should be supporting the scientists who are working on developing a vaccine. And we should take the precautions against contagion that we should always be taking anyway, such as washing your hands. But in the grand scheme of all the causes of deaths, it's pretty far down the list. What can you do? Wash your hands and pressure the government to support science.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 02, 2020, 08:08:19 AM
Florida has two cases and Governor DeSantis has declared a public health emergency. One of the people has recently traveled to Italy, but the other hasn't traveled to any of the countries where there is an outbreak.

DeSantis is handing the Florida Health Department control over the handling of the virus, which seems like the smart thing to do. Let the experts do their jobs.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 02, 2020, 03:51:53 PM
We got our first case in New Hampshire today. Soon, all of New England will be dead and/or just fine.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 02, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
Quick, go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and bottled water!

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 02, 2020, 04:49:50 PM
We have 2 cases in Utah.

They're buying up all the water here too which is weird because in case you weren't aware, Mormons have a culture of preparing for disasters. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 02, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
Quick, go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and bottled water!

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?
To stock up the nuclear shelters just in case ????
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 02, 2020, 06:59:02 PM
Maybe the water treatment employees won’t be able to make it to work.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 02, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Quick, go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and bottled water!

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?

It's not just America that got the case of the stupid. Australia caught it too

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/da69fd85f5145fb377738faf15e7ba85?width=650)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 02, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
When ya got the runs in quarantine, you need a lot of toilet paper.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 03, 2020, 05:42:38 AM
When you see a lot of people buying up X (it doesn't matter what X is) you start to get scared that maybe they'll run out of X, so you buy a lot of it too, so you have a supply for when they run out.

When ya got the runs in quarantine, you need a lot of toilet paper.

COVID-19 is a respiratory illness.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 03, 2020, 05:57:42 AM
Quote
COVID-19 is a respiratory illness
Doesn't mean something else can't give you the runs.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 03, 2020, 07:23:36 AM
Mike Pence was out there shaking hands with the kids in Sarasota https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200302/coronavirus-florida-mother-and-son-at-sarasota-military-academy-under-quarantine
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 03, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
Mike Pence was out there shaking hands with the kids in Sarasota https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200302/coronavirus-florida-mother-and-son-at-sarasota-military-academy-under-quarantine

"See?  Nothing to fear.  I'll shake the hands of the sick to prove that there is nothing for anyone over 50 to fear."
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 03, 2020, 08:08:36 AM
Well, he didn't know there was a kid with the virus when he went there. The Pentagon contacted the school. lol

Srsly, I hope he doesn't get the virus. People would panic more than they are already. People in Florida have been kinda relaxed about it, even though we've got a few cases now. I hope they stay calm, and just do what the experts say, which is WASH YOUR HANDS, and stay home if you get sick.

This guy was on Christiane Amanpour's PBS show last night https://twitter.com/DrPaulOffit After listening to him speak I feel much better about all this.  This is the clip https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1234561286660214784?s=20 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 03, 2020, 03:29:51 PM
Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?
Better question: why does bottled water have an expiration date? ???
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 03, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
Was in Costco today. Eggs run out. Every shopper had toilet paper in their trolley and store was about to run out within an hour of the store opening. What a joke.

People can be mind bogglingly dumb

Eggs have a shelf life! How the F can you hoard that! Some of us need to do regular shopping
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 03, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
I went to the grocery store today. There was plenty of everything. There were some empty spaces in the t.p. section, but still plenty there. (I bought a 12-pack because I was down to one roll. I didn't notice t.p. in anybody else's cart.)

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?
Better question: why does bottled water have an expiration date? ???

So you'll throw it away and buy more. But why hoard bottled water anyway? I have a 5-gallon jug full of tap water. If the water goes off, I have 5 gallons. The tap water here doesn't taste as good as my R.O. filtered water, but it's still water. Bottled water makes no sense anyway, other than keeping a 5-gallon bottle or two of tap water on hand as part of general preparedness.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 03, 2020, 04:41:11 PM
I stock up on bottled water when a hurricane is coming because flooding can cause the water to become contaminated, and I have a private well so if the power goes out I have no water anyway. The water is only for drinking and cooking, because I have a 275 gallon tank that I can fill for flushing the toilets or any other water usage that doesn't need to be as clean as drinking water.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 03, 2020, 04:55:30 PM
Quick, go to the store and buy all the toilet paper and bottled water!

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?

It's not just America that got the case of the stupid. Australia caught it too

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/da69fd85f5145fb377738faf15e7ba85?width=650)

Insanity is more contagious than you'd logically expect.   

Me,  I'm off to invest in toilet paper futures.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 03, 2020, 06:36:44 PM
Anyone see how Iran’s parliament got the virus? Hanging out in China?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 03, 2020, 08:40:47 PM
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/major-australian-retailers-limit-toilet-paper-pack-purchases-per-customer/news-story/01e826c4375117d1aed109a66ca155a5


How pathetic.

When I went shopping I notice things that could actually be useful, like non perishable food or formula for babies was not even noticed.

I guess people have their head so far stuck up their arse they can't see anything else! My God the utter patheticness of humanity is on full display here.

Then you see how people are flogging them off on eBay for 10x the price hoping to cash in on this. Utterly depraved SOBs
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 03, 2020, 08:52:57 PM
Serious question. Why are all the shit hole countries in Africa skipping this? I'm seriously glad it's not here, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy ungodly amounts of spam.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 03, 2020, 10:34:22 PM
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/major-australian-retailers-limit-toilet-paper-pack-purchases-per-customer/news-story/01e826c4375117d1aed109a66ca155a5


How pathetic.

When I went shopping I notice things that could actually be useful, like non perishable food or formula for babies was not even noticed.

I guess people have their head so far stuck up their arse they can't see anything else! My God the utter patheticness of humanity is on full display here.

Then you see how people are flogging them off on eBay for 10x the price hoping to cash in on this. Utterly depraved SOBs

In fairness, formula users are few compared to toilet paper users.  And a single can or box can last anywhere from a week to a month, depending on how much the baby eats.

So stocking up on formula for many is like 2 boxes/cans.  So stock is probably fine for the few who actually use it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 05:14:46 AM
People are usually hard pressed to find them because so many Chinese students buy them and sell them to China for 3x the price. Oh well, better they don't notice it. Although if I had shares in baby formula, I could set up a picture of an empty shelf and caption 'panic buying baby formula'. Then everyone would lose their shit and buy it up before its 'too late'.

Part of me thinks we should just let this virus happen. It's rated at 2% but that's among those tested. A lot of people suffering mild symptoms could have had it and never knew.

The vaccine could be 12-18 months away. Can the stock market and panic buying be sustained that long?

If the virus loses containment enough people will get it, recover and the natural immunity will provide 'herd immunity' to everyone else.

Alcohol kills more people than this virus. We still enjoy selling it to the masses

As do we sell cigarettes knowing it could kill through cancer or other diseases

Or crappy big pharma meds that mess up and destroy a lot of lives

Air pollution kills lots of people. We still insist on burning coal and resisting renewable energy.

We seemingly have no problem with having a diet so high in sugar and fat that destroy our health, and kill us with heart disease

On balance, this virus seems minor. Looking at the absolute pathetic scenes in Australia over toilet paper of all things just makes me want to get this over with.

It's painfully obvious that trying to control the spread doesn't work
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 04, 2020, 07:03:11 AM
Here is why this virus could be worse than all those things you mentioned.

Everyone on earth has access to Alcohol, yet only 80-90k die every year
Everyone on earth has access to Cigarettes, and it kills about 6 million a year (one shit load of people)
The Flu is found in every corner of earth, and kills about 400k a year.

This thing COULD (we dont know yet) kill up to 60 million people this year according to many projections (with 60% infection rate). And, if it is like flu and mutates all the time, it could do that every year. (WAY worst case scenario)

Now consider that the world population grows by 80 million people a year, and the other things that are killing people, are still doing their thing. It means that it is entirely possible that this year could be the first year (since probably the stone age) that we see a decline of world population.
If it comes back year after year, we could see a decrease in human population until we dont have old people left.

What are we going to do without old people?!?!?!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 04, 2020, 07:58:10 AM
I stock up on bottled water when a hurricane is coming because flooding can cause the water to become contaminated, and I have a private well so if the power goes out I have no water anyway. The water is only for drinking and cooking, because I have a 275 gallon tank that I can fill for flushing the toilets or any other water usage that doesn't need to be as clean as drinking water.

Instead of spending money on bottled water, why not invest in a couple of 5-gallon water jugs and fill them from the tap and keep them on hand for emergencies? Periodically dump them (it's only tap water) and re-fill them so the water's always fresh.

Here is why this virus could be worse than all those things you mentioned.

Everyone on earth has access to Alcohol, yet only 80-90k die every year
Everyone on earth has access to Cigarettes, and it kills about 6 million a year (one shit load of people)
The Flu is found in every corner of earth, and kills about 400k a year.

This thing COULD (we dont know yet) kill up to 60 million people this year according to many projections (with 60% infection rate). And, if it is like flu and mutates all the time, it could do that every year. (WAY worst case scenario)

Now consider that the world population grows by 80 million people a year, and the other things that are killing people, are still doing their thing. It means that it is entirely possible that this year could be the first year (since probably the stone age) that we see a decline of world population.
If it comes back year after year, we could see a decrease in human population until we dont have old people left.

What are we going to do without old people?!?!?!


The doomsday scenario is vanishingly unlikely. It's much more likely that it runs its course, tragically kills a bunch of people, but far fewer than things people willingly do to themselves, and then either disappears or becomes one more background cause of death for people too stupid or too poor to get vaccinated. It makes perfect sense to take reasonable precautions (wash your hands!) and the government needs to fund the scientists who are developing a vaccine (the anti-science government in my country is criminally negligent!) And it makes sense to keep two weeks' worth of everything on hand for actual emergencies.

But it does not make sense to stockpile five years' worth of toilet paper when you probably only have a week's worth of food on hand.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 04, 2020, 08:02:26 AM
I do fill containers with water, but it's always nice to have some bottles of cold water floating in the melting ice when the power's been out for 4 days.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 04, 2020, 08:10:45 AM
Serious question. Why are all the shit hole countries in Africa skipping this? I'm seriously glad it's not here, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy ungodly amounts of spam.

Perhaps they've had a similar virus in the past which gives them some immunity. Like cowpox giving people immunity to smallpox.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 04, 2020, 08:29:42 AM
The doomsday scenario is vanishingly unlikely. It's much more likely that it runs its course, tragically kills a bunch of people, but far fewer than things people willingly do to themselves, and then either disappears or becomes one more background cause of death for people too stupid or too poor to get vaccinated. It makes perfect sense to take reasonable precautions (wash your hands!) and the government needs to fund the scientists who are developing a vaccine (the anti-science government in my country is criminally negligent!) And it makes sense to keep two weeks' worth of everything on hand for actual emergencies.

But it does not make sense to stockpile five years' worth of toilet paper when you probably only have a week's worth of food on hand.
I agree with you. Chances are that it will be far less deadly than the worst case scenario. Possibly sweep through and die out.

But there is no way to know, and this is the problem.
Until we know, its a dangerous thing to ignore. The doomsday scenario is unlikely only because there is mass reaction to it. China acted fast and quarantined a large percentage of the world population to stop the spread of this. Was this an over reaction or the right reaction?

Take this analogy, your walking on a path, its very misty and you can only see 1 or 2 meters in front of you. Suddenly you come to a spot that looks like a cliff, do you turn back or jump and hope its only 1 or 2 meters deep. It could be 100m down. The best course is to probably proceed with caution and not presume its shallow.
Right now no one knows how bad this could be, and maybe cutting countries off from each other is the moderate approach. We will only know AFTER it passes.

Perhaps they've had a similar virus in the past which gives them some immunity. Like cowpox giving people immunity to smallpox.
I just think we are mostly lucky. I hope it stays this way, lots of places in Africa are not equipped to handle more health issues. Also, if this thing goes wild here I am going to Namibia, everywhere in Namibia is far away from people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 01:17:21 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/toilet-paper-is-quite-precious-at-the-moment-half-of-loo-roll-load-saved-after-truck-catches-fire/news-story/4ff1230321e25a100231518dbee87312


This shouldn't be related to the corona virus. Or even be funny. But it is

I can't help but laugh as a truck carrying toilet paper catches fire. Australia must be crying and losing their minds right now lol!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 04, 2020, 01:54:25 PM
... Until we know, its a dangerous thing to ignore. ...

Which is why we need to support science, to develop a vaccine. But there's not much else ordinary people can do other than wash your hands. And of course, get your flu shot because that's about a million times more likely to kill you than covid19 is.

Someone was talking about being in Asia, Hong Kong, I think, and seeing people wearing face masks and pushing the mask aside to smoke their cigarettes. Cigarettes will kill you. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke is like worrying about sunburn as you jump off a 100-foot cliff onto jagged rocks.

Support science. Wash your hands. Get all your vaccinations. If the world ends because of covid19 there's nothing we can do about it, so might as well just take the reasonable precautions and live your life.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 04, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
Looks like the death rate moved to 3.4%.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 04, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 04, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
Looks like the death rate moved to 3.4%.

Shit, that is bad.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 04, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.

No. Just that they're several thousand times more likely to die of plain smoking than to die of coronavirus exacerbated by smoking.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 04, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.

No. Just that they're several thousand times more likely to die of plain smoking than to die of coronavirus exacerbated by smoking.
That's especially true when they aren't exposed to coronavirus to begin with. You know, by taking reasonable precautions so as to minimize their potential for exposure. Which means actually taking the situation seriously, and not dismissing it as "no big deal."
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 04, 2020, 05:13:59 PM
https://cspinet.org/news/cspi-urges-fda-enforcement-action-televangelist-jim-bakkers-fake-coronavirus-cure-20200218

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Televangelist Jim Bakker is using his show to advance the claim that the Silver Solution dietary supplement products available in his online store can now cure the coronavirus “within 12 hours.” The preacher previously claimed the same product cures “all venereal diseases” and HIV.

A miracle cure!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
https://cspinet.org/news/cspi-urges-fda-enforcement-action-televangelist-jim-bakkers-fake-coronavirus-cure-20200218

Quote
Televangelist Jim Bakker is using his show to advance the claim that the Silver Solution dietary supplement products available in his online store can now cure the coronavirus “within 12 hours.” The preacher previously claimed the same product cures “all venereal diseases” and HIV.

A miracle cure!

I hope he turns into a Smurf. What an idiot
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 04, 2020, 05:22:05 PM
Why does the government want to take away our miracle cure!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go back to drinking bleach.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Why does the government want to take away our miracle cure!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go back to drinking bleach.

Bleach should work too. That kills everything. Just pour some over a hideous infected Petri dish to see the proof. Kills any germ in a matter of seconds!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 04, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
Why does the government want to take away our miracle cure!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go back to drinking bleach.
Quite effective too, I gather! Death cures all known diseases.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Why does the government want to take away our miracle cure!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go back to drinking bleach.
Quite effective too, I gather! Death cures all known diseases.

Then go touch a person who's died from Ebola. Go on! I wont stop you  :P
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 04, 2020, 05:59:52 PM
This is a cause for concern in Australia:
Quote from: Ben Graham and Alle McMahon, News.com.au
Second coronavirus death confirmed as six more test positive in NSW (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/nursing-home-death-in-sydney-after-carer-infected-with-coronavirus/news-story/3f10f91237ef4df6777502a303a41d4a)
He said there is an “evolution” happening in the spread of coronavirus around the world.
While there had been “no substantial change” overnight, seven of the states infections appeared to have been “on-soil,” he said. There are currently 22 infections in the state.

His comments come after a 95-year-old woman became the second person to die from the coronavirus in Australia, with seven more cases confirmed nationally.
The woman was a resident at the Dorothy Henderson Lodge nursing home facility at Macquarie Park, where a 50-year-old worker was diagnosed with the virus earlier this week, NSW Health confirmed in a statement. The woman died in hospital on Tuesday.

The employee worked with 13 residents at the lodge. An 82-year-old man is now being treated in hospital for the virus, while a third resident aged in her 70s was also diagnosed on Wednesday.
The cause for concern is that, to date, there seems to have been no contact with anyone from overseas.

This seems to imply that someone in the community is unknowingly spreading the virus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 06:01:34 PM
This is a cause for concern in Australia:
Quote from: Ben Graham and Alle McMahon, News.com.au
Second coronavirus death confirmed as six more test positive in NSW (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/nursing-home-death-in-sydney-after-carer-infected-with-coronavirus/news-story/3f10f91237ef4df6777502a303a41d4a)
He said there is an “evolution” happening in the spread of coronavirus around the world.
While there had been “no substantial change” overnight, seven of the states infections appeared to have been “on-soil,” he said. There are currently 22 infections in the state.

His comments come after a 95-year-old woman became the second person to die from the coronavirus in Australia, with seven more cases confirmed nationally.
The woman was a resident at the Dorothy Henderson Lodge nursing home facility at Macquarie Park, where a 50-year-old worker was diagnosed with the virus earlier this week, NSW Health confirmed in a statement. The woman died in hospital on Tuesday.

The employee worked with 13 residents at the lodge. An 82-year-old man is now being treated in hospital for the virus, while a third resident aged in her 70s was also diagnosed on Wednesday.
The cause for concern is that, to date, there seems to have been no contact with anyone from overseas.

This seems to imply that someone in the community is unknowingly spreading the virus.

I hope you stocked up on dunny paper!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 04, 2020, 06:06:33 PM
Perhaps America will finally embrace the bidet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
Perhaps America will finally embrace the bidet.

About time we all did. How many trees are logged to wipe our collective arses?

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 04, 2020, 06:09:51 PM
This is a cause for concern in Australia:
Quote from: Ben Graham and Alle McMahon, News.com.au
Second coronavirus death confirmed as six more test positive in NSW (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/nursing-home-death-in-sydney-after-carer-infected-with-coronavirus/news-story/3f10f91237ef4df6777502a303a41d4a)
He said there is an “evolution” happening in the spread of coronavirus around the world.
While there had been “no substantial change” overnight, seven of the states infections appeared to have been “on-soil,” he said. There are currently 22 infections in the state.

His comments come after a 95-year-old woman became the second person to die from the coronavirus in Australia, with seven more cases confirmed nationally.
The woman was a resident at the Dorothy Henderson Lodge nursing home facility at Macquarie Park, where a 50-year-old worker was diagnosed with the virus earlier this week, NSW Health confirmed in a statement. The woman died in hospital on Tuesday.

The employee worked with 13 residents at the lodge. An 82-year-old man is now being treated in hospital for the virus, while a third resident aged in her 70s was also diagnosed on Wednesday.
The cause for concern is that, to date, there seems to have been no contact with anyone from overseas.

This seems to imply that someone in the community is unknowingly spreading the virus.

That or he's patient 0.

I'm assuming covid 19 works by vampire rules.  So all we have to do is eliminate this guy and the disease is gone.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 04, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
This is a cause for concern in Australia:
Quote from: Ben Graham and Alle McMahon, News.com.au
Second coronavirus death confirmed as six more test positive in NSW (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/nursing-home-death-in-sydney-after-carer-infected-with-coronavirus/news-story/3f10f91237ef4df6777502a303a41d4a)
He said there is an “evolution” happening in the spread of coronavirus around the world.
While there had been “no substantial change” overnight, seven of the states infections appeared to have been “on-soil,” he said. There are currently 22 infections in the state.

His comments come after a 95-year-old woman became the second person to die from the coronavirus in Australia, with seven more cases confirmed nationally.
The woman was a resident at the Dorothy Henderson Lodge nursing home facility at Macquarie Park, where a 50-year-old worker was diagnosed with the virus earlier this week, NSW Health confirmed in a statement. The woman died in hospital on Tuesday.

The employee worked with 13 residents at the lodge. An 82-year-old man is now being treated in hospital for the virus, while a third resident aged in her 70s was also diagnosed on Wednesday.
The cause for concern is that, to date, there seems to have been no contact with anyone from overseas.

This seems to imply that someone in the community is unknowingly spreading the virus.

That or he's patient 0.

I'm assuming covid 19 works by vampire rules.  So all we have to do is eliminate this guy and the disease is gone.
We don't just "eliminate this guy" in Australian but we do isolate such people. Though that doctor is known to have been close contact with others at a conference apart from  casual contacts.

The woman that died was the 2nd in Australia but other cases had known links to overseas, including China and Iran.

The extra concern in this case is there are no know links to people from overseas.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 05, 2020, 12:41:02 AM
Mit solved:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg2239002#msg2239002
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 05, 2020, 02:36:23 AM


I think i might get away from it all until it's all over and go on a cruise.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 05, 2020, 03:08:59 AM
I think i might get away from it all until it's all over and go on a cruise.

Go and make sand castles with your girlfriends you little girl.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 05, 2020, 03:32:33 AM

I think i might get away from it all until it's all over and go on a cruise :o.
You might get an extended "cruise" on a Princess Cruise Ship :(:
Quote from: Jim Carlton, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Another Princess Cruise Ship Is Caught Up in Coronavirus Outbreak (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-hits-another-princess-cruise-ship-11583362664)SAN FRANCISCO—Another Carnival Corp. cruise ship has become embroiled in an outbreak of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus—this time in a West Coast-based liner called the Grand Princess where health officials say at least one former passenger has died after a recent cruise.

The ship, on a two-week voyage to Hawaii with a stop in Mexico, has been ordered to return to port in San Francisco. The vessel has a capacity of 2,600 guests and 1,150 crew.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 05, 2020, 06:06:20 AM
Dammit. It's in RSA. Silly Italians are getting it everywhere
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 05, 2020, 06:18:44 AM
How are businesses going to survive?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 05, 2020, 06:55:02 AM
Serious question. Why are all the shit hole countries in Africa skipping this? I'm seriously glad it's not here, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy ungodly amounts of spam.

Perhaps they've had a similar virus in the past which gives them some immunity. Like cowpox giving people immunity to smallpox.
Or, maybe their experience with ebola has taught them a lot about containing such outbreaks.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 05, 2020, 07:20:32 AM
I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.

No. Just that they're several thousand times more likely to die of plain smoking than to die of coronavirus exacerbated by smoking.
That's especially true when they aren't exposed to coronavirus to begin with. You know, by taking reasonable precautions so as to minimize their potential for exposure. Which means actually taking the situation seriously, and not dismissing it as "no big deal."

I've never said it was "no big deal." I've said the widespread panic is overblown. I've said take reasonable precautions and don't panic. And I've said to support science (something too many people here reject) in the development of a vaccine (something else that some people here reject.)

And I've commented on the absurdity of getting totally freaked out over something that's a relatively small risk while intentionally engaging in activities that are far more risky.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 05, 2020, 07:59:07 AM
A part of me wants to catch this, take some long overdue time off work, most likely inevitably recover, and not have to worry about this shit anymore

Some old guy got arrested and taseted by police because he was fighting over some toilet paper in the shops

Seriously this panic is worse than the disease. FFS people need to pull themselves together
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 05, 2020, 08:19:18 AM
obviously this is part of an experiment.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 05, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
Serious question. Why are all the shit hole countries in Africa skipping this? I'm seriously glad it's not here, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy ungodly amounts of spam.

Perhaps they've had a similar virus in the past which gives them some immunity. Like cowpox giving people immunity to smallpox.
Or, maybe their experience with ebola has taught them a lot about containing such outbreaks.
People forget how big Africa is. I am further away from where the ebola cases where than Europe is.
Ebola was only in a few countries
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 05, 2020, 10:18:55 AM
A part of me wants to catch this, take some long overdue time off work, most likely inevitably recover, and not have to worry about this shit anymore

Some old guy got arrested and taseted by police because he was fighting over some toilet paper in the shops

Seriously this panic is worse than the disease. FFS people need to pull themselves together

That thought has crossed my mind.  But if I don't get it from work then I'll get it from my kids.  I really don't think it's worth it to skip school for however long this thing takes.  But that decision might be out of my hands if there's an outbreak and they decide to just start closing things down.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 05, 2020, 12:52:25 PM
Serious question. Why are all the shit hole countries in Africa skipping this? I'm seriously glad it's not here, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy ungodly amounts of spam.

Perhaps they've had a similar virus in the past which gives them some immunity. Like cowpox giving people immunity to smallpox.
Or, maybe their experience with ebola has taught them a lot about containing such outbreaks.
People forget how big Africa is. I am further away from where the ebola cases where than Europe is.
Ebola was only in a few countries


It's eaiser to 'contain' if a virus hits a poor African nation.

For starters, people aren't as well travelled. In developed countries or the EU etc, it's not uncommon for people to travel or come in contact with travellers from hundreds or thousands of kilometres. Many people I come into contact with at work fly in from another states office.

Closing off a community or state won't devastate its economy as large as say Australia shutting it's borders to China which it is largely dependent on to keep our universities viable and tourism flowing.

It's probably why Ebola was limited in the area it affected. If Ebola hit China, America or Europe, containment would be far harder and devastate or cripple the economy trying.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 05, 2020, 08:55:18 PM

It's probably why Ebola was limited in the area it affected. If Ebola hit China, America or Europe, containment would be far harder and devastate or cripple the economy trying.

Ebola is actually not a super spreader disease. You become symptomatic very soon after infection, so it has a lot less time to spread. It's a lot easier to contain than Coronavirus.
And it is very hard to contain communities in Africa for many reasons. For one, they don't listen to authorities when there are authorities. The routes they use to move around are not always marked, meaning it's hard to know what to close off. There is a lot of bad data, which means we often don't even know how many people are in certain regions and how they get around.
It's a completely different story here. And everything is region specific.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 05, 2020, 10:01:56 PM
Viruses do not mutate on their own. I deny that claim. They are mutating because they are special production, they are constantly being changed. They are clearly experimenting. I think they can't decide which one to go on right now. coronavirus1.0, coronavirus2.0, coronavirus8.3, coronavirus windows10, etc ... experiments continue...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 05, 2020, 10:23:15 PM
Viruses do not mutate on their own.
Incorrect! Viruses do not need any human help to mutate.
The evidence seems to be that the Covid-19 virus accidentally that infected some person in the Wuhan market sometime before December 2019 was passed from some animal to a human.

What is uncommon is that this virus seemed so virulent in humans. Many animal viruses that infect humans are not transmissible to other humans.

But I believe that the American Society for Microbiology might know far more than you on this topic! American Society for Microbiology: Viral Mutation Rates (https://jvi.asm.org/content/84/19/9733).
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 06, 2020, 12:33:34 AM
Viruses do not mutate on their own. I deny that claim.
HIV was and is a difficult virus to contain and treat because it mutates so darn much. If viruses do not mutate then no one on earth would ever have gotten a virus. We would build immunity to the existing viruses and it would be the end of it. Yet the Spanish flu did exist and killed many people far before we even knew what DNA was.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 06, 2020, 08:03:32 AM
Viruses do not mutate on their own. I deny that claim. They are mutating because they are special production, they are constantly being changed. They are clearly experimenting. I think they can't decide which one to go on right now. coronavirus1.0, coronavirus2.0, coronavirus8.3, coronavirus windows10, etc ... experiments continue...

More evidence that Wise is punking us all and doesn't really believe anything he posts.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 06, 2020, 11:41:50 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/AACED2AC-5F43-11EA-81E2-1F755020F2E1

This guy is insane.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 06, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
The Dollar General store near my house is out of hand sanitizer, but still has lots of toilet paper. They probably didn't have a lot of hand sanitizer to begin with, since it's a small store.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 06, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/AACED2AC-5F43-11EA-81E2-1F755020F2E1

This guy is insane.

It wouldn't even spare the economy. Millions of Americans dead would be noticed for a long time

I've read this sort of thing before. Let it go, and while heaps gervinfected they recover and then 'herd immunity' takes care of those who didn't catch it.

But it's too dick of a move. To play with people's lives like that. It's not something that's inconvenient to get. It kills people.

The panic it is causing though is doing harm. People panic buying, fighting over dunny paper, hoarding supplies they don't need but others getting on with their day to day lives do. The economy as a whole shouldn't need to tank. The government is not selling this 'stay calm' message very well and the media needs to stop posting rubbish for click bait
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 06, 2020, 03:31:50 PM
It's insane trying to visualise that. Literally the government trying to give old people and people with health problems a lethal injection. All because this dumbass is afraid the stock market bubble will burst (which it will anyways, when the time comes), and believes that the illness is bound to infect everyone. Meanwhile China already managed to slow it down.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 07, 2020, 03:16:39 AM
Viruses do not mutate on their own.
Incorrect! Viruses do not need any human help to mutate.
The evidence seems to be that the Covid-19 virus accidentally that infected some person in the Wuhan market sometime before December 2019 was passed from some animal to a human.

What is uncommon is that this virus seemed so virulent in humans. Many animal viruses that infect humans are not transmissible to other humans.

But I believe that the American Society for Microbiology might know far more than you on this topic! American Society for Microbiology: Viral Mutation Rates (https://jvi.asm.org/content/84/19/9733).

Not strictly true. One of the main reasons why flu mutates year to year is the number of hosts it infects that enable the mutations to take place. Millions of hosts billions/ trillions of viruses with many mutations produced during its reproduction, some viable and some not. Left to its own devices mutation would not really happen as it needs a host to replicate. Viruses lacking their own metabolism, and so require a host cell to make new products.

Many, though not all, of  the zoonotic virus that have made the leap from animal to human are highly contagious. What could be more contagious than the common cold? That too is zoonotic making the leap from bird to human some 200 years ago. Covid-19 like Sars, its  big brother is just one in a long list that have leapt the species barrier.:
animal flu
anthrax
bird flu
bovine tuberculosis
brucellosis
Campylobacter infection
cat scratch fever
cryptosporidiosis
cysticercosis
dengue fever
Ebola
encephalitis from ticks
enzootic abortion
erysipeloid
fish tank granuloma
giardiasis
glanders
hemorrhagic colitis
hepatitis E
hydatid disease
Leptospirosis
listeria infection
louping ill
Lyme disease
lymphocytic choriomeningitis
malaria
orf infection
parrot fever
pasteurellosis
plague
Q fever
rabies
rat-bite fever
ringworm
Rocky Mountain spotted fever
Salmonella and E. coli infections
streptococcal sepsis
swine flu
toxocariasis
toxoplasmosis
trichinellosis
tularemia
West Nile virus
zoonotic diphtheria
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 07, 2020, 06:08:14 AM


This man calmly tells us WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. No seriously, this is a good video, everyone should watch it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 07, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

Quote
Italy is set to lock down at least 16 million people in the region of Lombardy and in 11 other provinces in the north and east of the country.

The mandatory quarantine will last until early April.

The dramatic escalation in the country's efforts to contain the new deadly coronavirus will close gyms, pools, museums and ski resorts.

Italy is Europe's worst-hit country and reported a steep rise in virus infections on Saturday.

The new measures, which also apply to financial centre Milan and tourist hotspot Venice, could take effect as early as Sunday and will last until 3 April.

The death toll in Italy has passed 230, with officials reporting more than 50 deaths in 24 hours. The number of confirmed cases jumped by more than 1,200 to 5,883 on Saturday.

Shit.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 07, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
I went to target today. They have signs saying they are limiting disinfectant purchases to 6 per customer. They had 0 hand sanitizer, 0 disinfectant spray, and very little disinfectant wipes. I'm in a city of about 150k.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 07, 2020, 06:39:20 PM


This man calmly tells us WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. No seriously, this is a good video, everyone should watch it.
Not quite "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE" but it is an excellent video.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 08, 2020, 04:26:42 AM


This man calmly tells us WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. No seriously, this is a good video, everyone should watch it.

A good example of how science and evidence-backed reason can cut through the misinformation and provide a clear picture of what has happened, what is happening and what may happen depending upon national and international interventions.  One of the biggest threats is misinformation, and that's why films like this are so important.
What is concerning is the developing situation in the USA. Two weeks from now due to its decentralized public health system it could well be in the same situation as Italy with an almost uncontrolled spread of infection.  The USA has shown in the past its inability to deal with an internal disaster, case in point Hurricane Katrina. Having Trump in command at the moment, who appears to be ignoring the threat, is really alarming. Like many in the UK who have friends and relatives in the USA, I really do hope they get their act together. How it's going to unfold over here, in Scotland, only time will tell but the authorities appear to be doing all they can.
Fingers crossed and washed.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 08, 2020, 07:04:04 AM
The biggest concern in the US is the fact that most people can't afford to not work, so if they have a slight fever and a cough, they won't likely stay home.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 08, 2020, 07:54:29 AM
Allergy season is almost here, the oak trees all have tassels and will soon be releasing all that pollen. I wonder if this will cause a panic in Florida. People will be coughing and sneezing.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 08, 2020, 11:55:17 PM
The church here is trying to convince everyone it's safe to go to communion. Some insane doctors (even professors) are going on TV and agreeing, not because of some sort of medical evidence but because "communion is the body and blood of Christ and Christ has no viruses". It's like everyone is trying to get old people killed lol.

BTW, communion in Greece means everyone eats bread and wine from the same spoon and wipes their mouth on the same handkerchief. The church does not even want to compromise and use disposable plastic spoons like Romania.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 09, 2020, 01:48:24 AM
The intelligence of some :o!

A group throwing stones at some crows and were asked why "Because the are Corona virus carriers ::) ".
Crows are Corvids and "Corvid" is bit like "Covid" so they assumed that Covid-19 came from crows :o. Go figure!

Then a news report said "Sales of Corona beer dropped sharply in early 2020 because consumers mistakenly associated the brand name with the new coronavirus. :o"

But Snopes says, no, it's just more fake news ;D: Did Corona Beer Sales Drop Sharply Due to Fear About the Coronavirus? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/corona-beer-fear-coronavirus/)

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 09, 2020, 04:12:08 AM
BTW, communion in Greece means everyone eats bread and wine from the same spoon and wipes their mouth on the same handkerchief. The church does not even want to compromise and use disposable plastic spoons like Romania.
Darwin Awards all round!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 09, 2020, 05:19:29 AM
https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1236915792563838977?s=20

Good bye bleach.   Hello crack.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 09, 2020, 05:54:00 AM
BTW, communion in Greece means everyone eats bread and wine from the same spoon and wipes their mouth on the same handkerchief. The church does not even want to compromise and use disposable plastic spoons like Romania.
Darwin Awards all round!
It gets worse when you realize that the vast majority of church goers is old people who have very high fatality rates. But it's not gonna be just them, they'll probably give it to all their friends as well. The church is gonna kill every old person in the country from the looks of it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 09, 2020, 06:40:41 AM
https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1236915792563838977?s=20

Good bye bleach.   Hello crack.

You don’t snort crack.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 09, 2020, 06:44:16 AM
https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1236915792563838977?s=20

Good bye bleach.   Hello crack.

You don’t snort crack.
wise does.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 09, 2020, 06:55:26 AM
https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1236915792563838977?s=20

Good bye bleach.   Hello crack.

You don’t snort crack.

Don't preach to me libtard!

I can snort crack if I want.  I can quit anytime.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 09, 2020, 07:53:21 AM
I feel like a tool

With everyone in a mad rush to clear the shelves of essential items, I just ordered online to get some of my own. Not because I need them 6 months down the track but because this shit is going to get worse before it gets better. So if we need something like baby wipes to help change nappies next month for example, it may be a hard to come by commodity because people are buying thousands at a time using it as a substitute for hand sanitiser  ???

The regular shopping trip has taken some people hours instead of minutes as people line up in their hundreds before the stores even open. I dont even want to go out anymore. So embarrassing. What we once thought of as a civilized society is now reduced to being no different than a pack of hyenas fighting each other for scraps. Except they do it as a matter of survival. We do it for toilet paper and rather than worry about things actually needed to live, seem more concerned only about our own anus  ???

As much as America's leadership seems to be caught unprepared with this I can see why Trump has been downplaying this. The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen (pity this energy is not spent worrying about a real existential threat like climate change). The virus is bad, but this level of panic and stress is just not warranted. The governments should have been far more proactive in their messaging keeping a stupid populous at ease while working behind the scenes to be prepared.

So I just shopped online. Tomorrow I will pick up the groceries and other items,promptly leave and hopefully not have to step foot in a shop full of savages for the next little while!  ???
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 09, 2020, 08:00:41 AM
"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237027356314869761?s=20

Go out and spread the germs, it'll be just like the flu. I'm gonna snort some crack.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 09, 2020, 08:12:52 AM
I mean, he's not wrong.  He just vastly underestimates the transmission rate.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 09, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
And the fatality rate.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 09, 2020, 08:36:54 AM
The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen
Not really.  The stockmarket was a bubble, corvid 19 is just the pin.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 09, 2020, 08:57:04 AM
The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen
Not really.  The stockmarket was a bubble, corvid 19 is just the pin.

Better that a bubble deflates than it bursts

Trump is an idiot only because he believes this virus is nothing to worry about. It is no doubt, but their job is keep the community calm and be prepared. Trump due to his ignorance has not even bothered trying to prepare.

Trump is seemingly pretty bad with math. If this has 3x the transmission rate of seasonal flu and kills even ~1% of people (as opposed to 0.1% for seasonal flu) he should let that sink in. 3x as many people getting this with ~10x the fatalities

I thought though if you want to turn a civilised 'modern man' back into an animal, you would take away something like food, water or shelter. Nope. Just take away the dunny roll.

But here is what really annoys me. This virus is not going to shut anything down even if its out uncontrolled doing 'its thing'

Water will still flow. Electricity will still be switched on. The internet will still be online and as long as people aren't stupid and selfish, there will still be all your essential items at your store.

There will be disruption to society no doubt. People staying away from work, schools potentially closing, but the kind of work people will stay away from wont be all the menial jobs that bring food to the table. It will be the elitist BS jobs no one would notice if people took a week or 2 off sick (like members of parliament and BS public servant jobs)

So be alert and informed. But this level of alarm. That's not the virus. That's frigging us. The worst of this shit - we own that. Not the virus
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 09, 2020, 01:21:19 PM
I feel like a tool

With everyone in a mad rush to clear the shelves of essential items, I just ordered online to get some of my own. Not because I need them 6 months down the track but because this shit is going to get worse before it gets better. So if we need something like baby wipes to help change nappies next month for example, it may be a hard to come by commodity because people are buying thousands at a time using it as a substitute for hand sanitiser  ???

The regular shopping trip has taken some people hours instead of minutes as people line up in their hundreds before the stores even open. I dont even want to go out anymore. So embarrassing. What we once thought of as a civilized society is now reduced to being no different than a pack of hyenas fighting each other for scraps. Except they do it as a matter of survival. We do it for toilet paper and rather than worry about things actually needed to live, seem more concerned only about our own anus  ???

As much as America's leadership seems to be caught unprepared with this I can see why Trump has been downplaying this. The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen (pity this energy is not spent worrying about a real existential threat like climate change). The virus is bad, but this level of panic and stress is just not warranted. The governments should have been far more proactive in their messaging keeping a stupid populous at ease while working behind the scenes to be prepared.

So I just shopped online. Tomorrow I will pick up the groceries and other items,promptly leave and hopefully not have to step foot in a shop full of savages for the next little while!  ???

Lenin apparently said: “Every society is three meals away from chaos” It remains to be seen.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 09, 2020, 01:28:54 PM
The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen
Not really.  The stockmarket was a bubble, corvid 19 is just the pin.

Better that a bubble deflates than it bursts

Trump is an idiot only because he believes this virus is nothing to worry about. It is no doubt, but their job is keep the community calm and be prepared. Trump due to his ignorance has not even bothered trying to prepare.

Trump is seemingly pretty bad with math. If this has 3x the transmission rate of seasonal flu and kills even ~1% of people (as opposed to 0.1% for seasonal flu) he should let that sink in. 3x as many people getting this with ~10x the fatalities

I thought though if you want to turn a civilised 'modern man' back into an animal, you would take away something like food, water or shelter. Nope. Just take away the dunny roll.

But here is what really annoys me. This virus is not going to shut anything down even if its out uncontrolled doing 'its thing'

Water will still flow. Electricity will still be switched on. The internet will still be online and as long as people aren't stupid and selfish, there will still be all your essential items at your store.

There will be disruption to society no doubt. People staying away from work, schools potentially closing, but the kind of work people will stay away from wont be all the menial jobs that bring food to the table. It will be the elitist BS jobs no one would notice if people took a week or 2 off sick (like members of parliament and BS public servant jobs)

So be alert and informed. But this level of alarm. That's not the virus. That's frigging us. The worst of this shit - we own that. Not the virus

I think what you are forgetting is.
We need people to operate the electricity, they can get ill too.
We need people to run the water supply and all the other utilities, they can all get ill too.
We need people to run the health care service, they can get ill too.
If a large percentage of the population gets sick, then society, where ever you live is going to have problems. Sure everyone is not going to get sick at the same time but this virus, which will only kill a small percentage of the population, will none the less create havoc. Look at the markets, that's a pretty good indication of what may well kick-off.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 09, 2020, 02:49:36 PM
The stock market is crashing (as will everyone's superannuation savings) because people are getting over hyped messages of doom and gloom and reacting as if this is the greatest existential threat mankind has seen
Not really.  The stockmarket was a bubble, corvid 19 is just the pin.

Better that a bubble deflates than it bursts

Trump is an idiot only because he believes this virus is nothing to worry about. It is no doubt, but their job is keep the community calm and be prepared. Trump due to his ignorance has not even bothered trying to prepare.

Trump is seemingly pretty bad with math. If this has 3x the transmission rate of seasonal flu and kills even ~1% of people (as opposed to 0.1% for seasonal flu) he should let that sink in. 3x as many people getting this with ~10x the fatalities

I thought though if you want to turn a civilised 'modern man' back into an animal, you would take away something like food, water or shelter. Nope. Just take away the dunny roll.

But here is what really annoys me. This virus is not going to shut anything down even if its out uncontrolled doing 'its thing'

Water will still flow. Electricity will still be switched on. The internet will still be online and as long as people aren't stupid and selfish, there will still be all your essential items at your store.

There will be disruption to society no doubt. People staying away from work, schools potentially closing, but the kind of work people will stay away from wont be all the menial jobs that bring food to the table. It will be the elitist BS jobs no one would notice if people took a week or 2 off sick (like members of parliament and BS public servant jobs)

So be alert and informed. But this level of alarm. That's not the virus. That's frigging us. The worst of this shit - we own that. Not the virus

I think what you are forgetting is.
We need people to operate the electricity, they can get ill too.
We need people to run the water supply and all the other utilities, they can all get ill too.
We need people to run the health care service, they can get ill too.
If a large percentage of the population gets sick, then society, where ever you live is going to have problems. Sure everyone is not going to get sick at the same time but this virus, which will only kill a small percentage of the population, will none the less create havoc. Look at the markets, that's a pretty good indication of what may well kick-off.

Developed countries usually have plenty of people on hand to take over essential services. The Chinese city of Wuhan has been completely cut off for 2 months? People are still getting water, the lights are still on and groceries can still be bought. Life sucks, but even prepped, nothing much would have changed
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 09, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
I shouldn't laugh,  but it's being reported that Matt Gaetz,  and other Trump groupies are self isolating after being in contact with a corona virus infected person at CPAC. 

If you recall, Gaetz is the num nut that wore a gas mask in congress.

Then he's pictured getting on board Airforce 1 with Trump when he should be quaranteed?

Very rare that you get to see Karma in real time.

I'll stop laughing now.


Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 09, 2020, 07:23:29 PM
I shouldn't laugh,  but it's being reported that Matt Gaetz,  and other Trump groupies are self isolating after being in contact with a corona virus infected person at CPAC. 

If you recall, Gaetz is the num nut that wore a gas mask in congress.

Then he's pictured getting on board Airforce 1 with Trump when he should be quaranteed?

Very rare that you get to see Karma in real time.

I'll stop laughing now.
And what about when Trump is infected.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 09, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
I shouldn't laugh,  but it's being reported that Matt Gaetz,  and other Trump groupies are self isolating after being in contact with a corona virus infected person at CPAC. 

If you recall, Gaetz is the num nut that wore a gas mask in congress.

Then he's pictured getting on board Airforce 1 with Trump when he should be quaranteed?

Very rare that you get to see Karma in real time.

I'll stop laughing now.

Gaetz self-quarantined while on Air Force 1 they are saying now. I mean, when you say it, it seems obvious. Obviously he will infect very few people when he is isolated at 30,000 feet in the air. And he totally wasn't making out with Trump or sneezing or coughing or anything else while in the presence of any VIPs that may or may not have also been on the plane with him.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2020, 02:20:27 AM
Sign me up!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11128340/volunteers-infected-coronavirus-paid-3500-vaccine/

That's a lot of dosh AND time of work to boot!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 10, 2020, 03:59:11 AM
Both covid-19 and mers are members of corona virus family.

According to the information given by the Disease Control Centers, three quarters of every patients infected with MERS, whose symptoms are much more severe, died.

Inother say, MERS which is another alt group of the corona family, has the immortality rate of

75%

 ::)  ::)

Your age group stays in low risk group with dying rate of 0,2 % depends of Covid-19 risk. This is not a problem.

In short, if you take Covid-19, no problem. But if they give you MERS virus mistakenly, you die, oops!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 10, 2020, 04:20:57 AM
(https://i.insider.com/5e583c47fee23d4cf4755b27?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

Dying rate has rise to 6% about coronavirus. Fatalities caused by Covid-19 is about 2% according to Chinese sources. As I told, coronavirus isn't only Covid-19 and it is one of the viruses in this family has low dying rate but infected more people.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/mfRJhn.png)
coronavirus-family

(https://i.hizliresim.com/GVMfnw.png)
coronavirus-family

The fact that the curve in the second graph is upward parabola reveals that the disease could not be controlled contrary to the claims and the rate of its spread increased. Although the speed of its spread has started to decrease in Wuhan city, quarantine measures will not be implemented so tightly because there is no communist regime in all countries. the graph proves it. especially high rates of death in Iran and Italy are remarkable.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 10, 2020, 04:31:08 AM
(https://i.hizliresim.com/ejTALe.png)

Countries still resist to coronavirus! =

(https://i.hizliresim.com/LWIOkI.png)

Hold on my people! Hold on!

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 10, 2020, 07:17:54 AM
I shouldn't laugh,  but it's being reported that Matt Gaetz,  and other Trump groupies are self isolating after being in contact with a corona virus infected person at CPAC. 

If you recall, Gaetz is the num nut that wore a gas mask in congress.

Then he's pictured getting on board Airforce 1 with Trump when he should be quaranteed?

Very rare that you get to see Karma in real time.

I'll stop laughing now.

Gaetz self-quarantined while on Air Force 1 they are saying now. I mean, when you say it, it seems obvious. Obviously he will infect very few people when he is isolated at 30,000 feet in the air. And he totally wasn't making out with Trump or sneezing or coughing or anything else while in the presence of any VIPs that may or may not have also been on the plane with him.

There is some speculation that the coronavirus carrier at CPAC was Mick Mulvaney...  https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-coronavirus-mick-mulvaney-cpac-watch-video-9387956

Anyone heard any rumors as to who it was?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 10, 2020, 09:22:23 AM
It was Hilary Clinton as she is the devil and the source of all evil in the world.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 10, 2020, 11:04:35 AM
I shouldn't laugh,  but it's being reported that Matt Gaetz,  and other Trump groupies are self isolating after being in contact with a corona virus infected person at CPAC. 

If you recall, Gaetz is the num nut that wore a gas mask in congress.

Then he's pictured getting on board Airforce 1 with Trump when he should be quaranteed?

Very rare that you get to see Karma in real time.

I'll stop laughing now.

Gaetz self-quarantined while on Air Force 1 they are saying now. I mean, when you say it, it seems obvious. Obviously he will infect very few people when he is isolated at 30,000 feet in the air. And he totally wasn't making out with Trump or sneezing or coughing or anything else while in the presence of any VIPs that may or may not have also been on the plane with him.

There is some speculation that the coronavirus carrier at CPAC was Mick Mulvaney...  https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-coronavirus-mick-mulvaney-cpac-watch-video-9387956

Anyone heard any rumors as to who it was?

I was under the impression that it was just some guy.  No name which is understandable because disease carriers are bound to be a target of violence.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 10, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
It is going to worse in Italy. Mortality rate 6%, healing rate 10%. It is time to enter the defence lines before it has gone to worse.

(https://www.gercekgundem.com/images/posts/202003/181420_880x1160.jpg)

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 10, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
Alcohol is not a cure.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-44-dead-drinking-toxic-155009184.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 10, 2020, 11:19:20 AM
That is sad. Wash your hands with the moonshine, don't drink it!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 10, 2020, 12:03:10 PM
Alcohol is not a cure.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-44-dead-drinking-toxic-155009184.html

Iran is going forward, but Turkey to backward, yeah? We see all the countries going to which direction after this sincerety test. All over the world see whose the clearest people. Exactly, we are wahing our hands numereously in a day. But statistics are telling we are second after Italy. Ahahah. We saw Italians right now.

Do you need to tell anything about Iranians drinking the objects for clearing actually?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 10, 2020, 03:43:30 PM


This one is good. I might watch the whole podcast later, or just curl up in a ball and wait for death.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 10, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
This one is good. I might watch the whole podcast later, or just curl up in a ball and wait for death.
Unless you have a compromised immune system, it shouldn't be much worse than a regular flu bug.

At least with everyone staying home, gas prices are going down in a hurry.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 10, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
Well, I get bronchitis almost every time I catch a cold.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 10, 2020, 03:57:15 PM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 10, 2020, 04:44:36 PM
It's very good little kids have a resistance to this, but I bet they are just as contagious as adults. Little germ factories!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 10, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
It's very good little kids have a resistance to this, but I bet they are just as contagious as adults. Little germ factories!
Some children apparently get infected but show no symptoms and become super spreaders.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 10, 2020, 05:17:10 PM
Karma is having a field day.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/uk-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 10, 2020, 05:23:50 PM
Karma is having a field day.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/uk-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
Who next?
Trump? Though he'd ignore it and call it more fake news. No self-respecting corona virus would dare touch him.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 10, 2020, 06:15:30 PM
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-meeting-republican-senators-2/

Quote
Q    But why not get tested yourself?  I mean, you’ve interacted with Matt Gaetz and Doug Collins in the last few days.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, I don’t think it’s a big deal.  I would do it.  I don’t feel that — any reason.  I feel extremely good.  I feel very good.  But I guess it’s not a big deal to get tested.  And it’s something I would do.

But again, I spoke to the White House doctor — terrific guy, talented guy — he said he sees no reason to do it.  There’s no symptoms, no anything.

And you know what?  If there were, you people would be the first to know it.  You would — you would maybe even tell me about it.

lol

Quote
Q    Mr. President, have you been briefed that up to 100 million Americans would ultimately be exposed to the virus?

THE PRESIDENT:  I’ve been briefed on every contingency you can possibly imagine.  Many contingencies.  A lot of —

Q    But that number.

THE PRESIDENT:  — a lot of positive.  Different numbers.  All different numbers.  Very large numbers.  And some small numbers too, by the way.

He has all the numbers. I am filled with confidence.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2020, 12:47:50 AM
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-meeting-republican-senators-2/

Quote
Q    But why not get tested yourself?  I mean, you’ve interacted with Matt Gaetz and Doug Collins in the last few days.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, I don’t think it’s a big deal.  I would do it.  I don’t feel that — any reason.  I feel extremely good.  I feel very good.  But I guess it’s not a big deal to get tested.  And it’s something I would do.

But again, I spoke to the White House doctor — terrific guy, talented guy — he said he sees no reason to do it.  There’s no symptoms, no anything.

And you know what?  If there were, you people would be the first to know it.  You would — you would maybe even tell me about it.

lol

Quote
Q    Mr. President, have you been briefed that up to 100 million Americans would ultimately be exposed to the virus?

THE PRESIDENT:  I’ve been briefed on every contingency you can possibly imagine.  Many contingencies.  A lot of —

Q    But that number.

THE PRESIDENT:  — a lot of positive.  Different numbers.  All different numbers.  Very large numbers.  And some small numbers too, by the way.

He has all the numbers. I am filled with confidence.

What an embarrassment. I mean, at least our leaders whole being corrupt and self serving, can at least pretend to sound intelligent lol
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2020, 01:02:58 AM
The first case was seen in our country. the health minister announced this last night. In his statement, he criticized the European countries that did not take adequate measures, stating that all the institutions in our country were doing their best to prevent the virus, but this was seen in a citizen traveling to Europe.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 11, 2020, 04:43:15 AM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 11, 2020, 06:39:36 AM
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/

A compilation of our current understanding of this illness.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2020, 06:49:47 AM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...

most of us thought about it at the first moment. but it is not true. The virus is not affected by heat, Trump's words are wrong. While the rate of disease causing death in China is 2%, this rate is much higher in other countries. Maybe it was produced in China and distributed to the world.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 07:07:31 AM


Interesting clip about the "wet markets" in China.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 11, 2020, 07:27:24 AM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...

Or maybe it's just because this is what these viruses normally do (the flu, MERS and SARS all affect young people much less), and China wouldn't intentionally shoot itself and its economy in the face for no good reason.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 11, 2020, 09:25:47 AM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...

Or maybe it's just because this is what these viruses normally do (the flu, MERS and SARS all affect young people much less), and China wouldn't intentionally shoot itself and its economy in the face for no good reason.

Well if its typical behavior for this kind of virus, no more mystery.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 11, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...

Or maybe it's just because this is what these viruses normally do (the flu, MERS and SARS all affect young people much less), and China wouldn't intentionally shoot itself and its economy in the face for no good reason.

Well if its typical behavior for this kind of virus, no more mystery.

MERS for example had like 35% mortality rate, but no children died and very few developed symptoms. SARS had a 10% mortality rate but also killed no children. Idk why.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 11:42:07 AM
It's officially a pandemic now.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 11, 2020, 12:09:39 PM
I still can’t figure out if that changes anything.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
After it has arrived Turkey and Maryland in USA it has turned to pandemic at a moment.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 12:49:11 PM
One of the nearby nursing homes has stopped allowing visitors, the one my stepfather is in is still open for visitors. I am really scared for all my old people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 11, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
One of the nearby nursing homes has stopped allowing visitors, the one my stepfather is in is still open for visitors. I am really scared for all my old people.
I suggest they go to the village and spend this time alone. I recommend this to the old people around me.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
On the positive side this disease seems to have a very low, like almost 0, fatality rate for the very young for reasons people don't understand yet.

Makes me think this is a man made virus designed to curb the increasing elderly population in China and it got out...

Or maybe it's just because this is what these viruses normally do (the flu, MERS and SARS all affect young people much less), and China wouldn't intentionally shoot itself and its economy in the face for no good reason.

Well if its typical behavior for this kind of virus, no more mystery.

MERS for example had like 35% mortality rate, but no children died and very few developed symptoms. SARS had a 10% mortality rate but also killed no children. Idk why.

Children have much larger and active thyroids.

Chicken pox for example - most kids that get it, shrug it off. Adults get it  (for the first time) and huge problem. That's why chicken pox parties were apparantly a thing.

Hepatitis A is another that kids get but shrug off with mild symptoms but adults struck down with it have big problems.

Although babies can be different. I read once a mother with a coldsore kissed her new born, baby got sick and died.

The big worry is it's not just old age that strikes people down. Obesity, smokers, diabetics, high blood pressure, others with auto immune problems and anyone on medication that lowers their immune system (eg organ transplant recipients) should worry regardless of age


Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
The nursing home my stepfather is in has just decided to close to visitors. I bet all Florida nursing homes are doing this today.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 11, 2020, 03:31:54 PM
That's probably a wise decision on their part. With the elderly being hit the hardest, it seems obvious, but you kind of have to force the issue because when one of their great-grandkids has a birthday and they are carrying the virus and showing no symptoms so they go to visit and then gram goes in for the cheek pinches and kisses (she was told not to but how could she resist because THEY ARE JUST SO CUTE?!) that could lead to a pretty terrible outcome.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2020/mar/11/hands-off-can-orgies-survive-in-the-age-of-coronavirus

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As offices, schools and public buildings close around the world, the organisers of two US orgies are planning to push on with their events – despite the risk from coronavirus.

The New York Post reports that high-end sex party promoters Snctm plan to throw an orgy in Los Angeles this weekend, and another in Manhattan next month. “Snctm events are going on as planned,” an organiser told the Post, before emphasising that there would be extra soap and sanitiser on hand at the venue. Los Angeles currently has 17 confirmed cases of coronavirus, although more people may be infected without showing symptoms.

Yeah, the extra soap and sanitizer are all you need!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 11, 2020, 05:38:28 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2020/mar/11/hands-off-can-orgies-survive-in-the-age-of-coronavirus

Quote
As offices, schools and public buildings close around the world, the organisers of two US orgies are planning to push on with their events – despite the risk from coronavirus.

The New York Post reports that high-end sex party promoters Snctm plan to throw an orgy in Los Angeles this weekend, and another in Manhattan next month. “Snctm events are going on as planned,” an organiser told the Post, before emphasising that there would be extra soap and sanitiser on hand at the venue. Los Angeles currently has 17 confirmed cases of coronavirus, although more people may be infected without showing symptoms.

Yeah, the extra soap and sanitizer are all you need!

Thanks for the update,  you can't imagine how worried I was that the orgy would be cancelled......:)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
All travel from Europe to America banned for 30 days now. However given the upcoming exponential explosion in cases, I can't see 30 days from now being any better. Will probably be extended again and again.

Come to Australia instead! :) That is unless we do the same. As Americas lap dog I'm sure we will follow suit
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 11, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
https://deadline.com/2020/03/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-test-positive-coronavirus-elvis-presley-movie-1202880431/?fbclid=IwAR3rfsoHLw3AMo2iTa7qZ3uCtcgozEdmHHzY0gOge1kCO5nVjbwkUNHg9tE

Tom Hanks caught the virus in Australia.


I'm going to move to a bunker in the woods now.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 11, 2020, 07:19:38 PM
And just like that Australia fired the first shot to destroy our friendship.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 11, 2020, 09:57:38 PM
All travel from Europe to America banned for 30 days now. However given the upcoming exponential explosion in cases, I can't see 30 days from now being any better. Will probably be extended again and again.

Come to Australia instead! :) That is unless we do the same. As Americas lap dog I'm sure we will follow suit

That got 'corrected'.

Its now travel from all but the UK for non-Americans or residents or their immediate families.
The UK has full and open travel.  Because golf courses, I suspect.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 06:09:32 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/futures-are-steady-wednesday-night-after-dow-closes-in-bear-market-traders-await-trump.html

I don't think Trump's speeches are working quite as intended.  I didn't even know the stock market had an after hours circuit breaker.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 06:41:17 AM
Five minutes into trading and I think the circuit breaker has tripped again.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 09:04:43 AM
Are any of you preparing for quarantine yet? We're buying some stuff, but not going overboard. I've got the pantry stocked with canned vegetables, rice, dry beans, pasta, canned chicken an tuna. It's like getting hurricane ready, except the hurricane lasts for a month and not a few days. Gonna get some extra dog food today, and maybe some meat to put in the freezer. Making sure the elders have all their prescriptions filled.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 12, 2020, 09:23:03 AM

I have lots of tea-leaves (for tea), gin, tonic (for fevers), whisky (headaches, emergency wound cleaning, Molotov cocktails and hand washing) and beers (stress relief), I think I have it covered.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 12, 2020, 09:30:01 AM
I've just got an AK47 so I can take other people's shit.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 12, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
Norway just closed all schools, daycares, sports halls, etc.... For two weeks.

We are in national emergency mode.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
I'm just making sure we're stocked up on everything.  Nothing crazy.  No one in our house is vulnerable so we're mostly concerned with doing our part to not spread disease.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 12, 2020, 10:35:46 AM
Norway just closed all schools, daycares, sports halls, etc.... For two weeks.

We are in national emergency mode.

Yeah we did that too a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 12, 2020, 10:40:32 AM
Discovery (and all their channels like HGTV, Food Network etc) is closing their offices to all non-essential personnel for two weeks and requiring everyone to work from home for a bit over two weeks at least. I wonder how much of that is due to NY and how much is due to how "global" we are (forgive use of the term.)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
Looks like it sucks to be a sports fan about now.  Seems like just about everybody is cancelling, suspending or restricting just about everything.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cb-coronavirus-sports-cancellations-20200310-426ude4yp5g5rjilr6iksdxlkm-story.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 11:50:11 AM
sports fans must be losing their damn minds.  I wonder what espn is going to show now.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
ESPN could turn their airways over to the scientists so they can keep people informed with facts. IMO.


Also, people in Florida are out shopping today. Not quite a panic, but lots of old people trying to get some stuff so they can stay home.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 12:44:00 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1238159068260376581?s=20
Quote
Fed is injecting $1.5 trillion into short-term lending markets, a rare move to try to calm investors' worries about coronavirus

We mustn't let investors worry!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2020, 12:49:15 PM
I suppose that now is a good time to start taking advantage of the stores that let you place an order on line and let you pick it up at the store.
https://www.retailmenot.com/blog/sites-that-offer-in-store-pickup.html

And Grub Hub/Door Dash, of course.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 12, 2020, 01:17:54 PM
Trump decided to stop flights coming from Europe but not from the UK. Interesting.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 12, 2020, 01:28:03 PM
Trump decided to stop flights coming from Europe but not from the UK. Interesting.
Yeah its stinks of either political motive or the fact that he has properties and resorts there.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Trump decided to stop flights coming from Europe but not from the UK. Interesting.

Too many Trump resorts in the UK to stop flights from there.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 01:37:48 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1238159068260376581?s=20
Quote
Fed is injecting $1.5 trillion into short-term lending markets, a rare move to try to calm investors' worries about coronavirus

We mustn't let investors worry!

Also republicans are holding up an aid package unless it gives away more money to the super rich because ... reasons I guess.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
The county I live in has just declared a state of emergency for the next 7 days.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 12, 2020, 02:29:07 PM
The country I lived, premier and middle schools have vacation for a week. After a week, educations will continue from home via online. Colleges has turned to online system home education.

Activities in my city completely cancelled. disinfection started.

And all this was done with only because there is one patient in our country. cologne and hand sanitizer prices increased by 5.000% on average.

markets are active but there is no need to exaggeration in my opinion. The ideal solution is to settle in the village and wait for these jobs to finish. Americans or Chinese will surely find a cure.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Oh no!  Disneyland is closing temporarily!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 03:31:42 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487329-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus

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Ohio health official estimates 100,000 people in state have coronavirus

A top health official in Ohio estimated on Thursday that more than 100,000 people in the state have coronavirus, a shockingly high number that underscores the limited testing so far.

Ohio Department of Health Director Amy Acton said at a press conference alongside Gov. Mike DeWine (R) that given that the virus is spreading in the community in Ohio, she estimates at least 1 percent of the population in the state has the virus.

"We know now, just the fact of community spread, says that at least 1 percent, at the very least, 1 percent of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today," Acton said. "We have 11.7 million people. So the math is over 100,000. So that just gives you a sense of how this virus spreads and is spreading quickly."


Okay, this isn't actual numbers, because there aren't 100,000 tests available, but... WE'RE DOOMED.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
Oh it's definitely a lot higher than testing would indicate.  Mostly because testing is non existent.

I think the reality of it is about to hit us all at once.  There's a lot of rumblings here of having everyone work from home for a while.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 04:31:12 PM
I tried to find the entire video of this interview online, but I don't see it anywhere. Christiane Amanpour has posted a clip from her interview with Matteo Renzi on twitter https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1237831274821189633?s=20  I can see Florida having a similar outcome as Italy. Both economies depend on tourism. I just hope our officials take his warning and get ahead of the virus before it overwhelms our hospitals.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
What great timing.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 05:00:28 PM
The Mormon church has suspended all public worship.

Well I'm definitely going to be working at home by Monday at this rate.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 05:08:13 PM
Any anxiety you have about the virus will not be eased by that guy.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 12, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
I tried to find the entire video of this interview online, but I don't see it anywhere. Christiane Amanpour has posted a clip from her interview with Matteo Renzi on twitter https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1237831274821189633?s=20  I can see Florida having a similar outcome as Italy. Both economies depend on tourism. I just hope our officials take his warning and get ahead of the virus before it overwhelms our hospitals.
Don't worry >:(!
If Covid-19 looks like overwhelming the hospitals "they" will just toss out all the over 65 year-olds like us :o.
No problem.  That'll help the society welfare and healthy budget too.

After all Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: magellanclavichord on March 12, 2020, 05:47:17 PM
... Americans or Chinese will surely find a cure.

And when they do, it will be scientists, using actual evidence, who find it. Not people who, rejecting all evidence and logic, think that the Earth is flat. Flat-Earth-ism can be a fun and silly game, but the real danger is when people take it so seriously that they reject real science, and evidence, and reason, and they let that attitude into areas where it can do real damage.

I'm glad to see that when it really matters, as in this pandemic, the flat-Earthers here seem ready to accept real science, done by people who actually know what they're doing, rather than believing crackpots like the nutters who think the government is lying to us about the shape of the Earth.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
Jesus, stop being so stupid. You don't need to make every thread about FE vs RE.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 07:07:33 PM
You should all fill up on gas, they're still refusing to unload the barges and it could get scarce if the price of oil doesn't go up soon. I don't know why they're still blaming this on the virus and not Saudi Arabia!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2020, 07:12:29 PM
They're blaming it on Covid because with everything being shut down and everyone self-quarantining, that means that no one is driving anywhere.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 12, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
The country I lived, premier and middle schools have vacation for a week. After a week, educations will continue from home via online. Colleges has turned to online system home education.

Activities in my city completely cancelled. disinfection started.

And all this was done with only because there is one patient in our country. cologne and hand sanitizer prices increased by 5.000% on average.

markets are active but there is no need to exaggeration in my opinion. The ideal solution is to settle in the village and wait for these jobs to finish. Americans or Chinese will surely find a cure.
Turkey seems to have done amazingly well because action was taken very promptly.

Before a "cure" will probably come a vaccine but that will be only effective if administered well before exposure.
There seems some that a number of anti-viral drugs might be been but the development of these can take considerable time.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
They're blaming it on Covid because with everything being shut down and everyone self-quarantining, that means that no one is driving anywhere.

Everyone is not self quarantining in the US, though. They're not unloading the fuel barges because the price of oil is so low. The price of oil is manipulated. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabia-Strikes-Back-At-Russia-In-Key-Oil-Market.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2020, 08:32:34 PM
The US isn't the biggest oil importer any more.  China has been importing more and more oil for a while, so when they shut down and quarantine, they can have a huge impact on the world oil market.
https://fortune.com/2020/02/04/opec-coronavirus-china-slashes-oil-imports/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 12, 2020, 10:43:38 PM
Turkey seems to have done amazingly well because action was taken very promptly.

Before a "cure" will probably come a vaccine but that will be only effective if administered well before exposure.
There seems some that a number of anti-viral drugs might be been but the development of these can take considerable time.
I think the true rate of infection in Turkey is either not being published or not being tested for. South Africa just had someone come in from Turkey with Covid, and has now been guaranteed.
The official figures in Turkey are that only 1 person has been tested positive and treated.
No one knows how far this has gone yet.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 12, 2020, 10:48:36 PM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.
Send us old ones home to fend for ourselves  :o?
Saves a lot of beds in the ICU for you young ones.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2020, 11:01:26 PM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.
Send us old ones home to fend for ourselves  :o?
Saves a lot of beds in the ICU for you young ones.

Agreed. Go home old man! You're probably done for regardless. Save the beds for those that have a chance!

(triage can be brutal)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2020, 11:33:12 PM
I'm listening to late night shows without an audience.  Very surreal.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2020, 11:44:00 PM
I'm listening to late night shows without an audience.  Very surreal.

They'll be playing sporting events without the crowds soon too.. Australia is still stupid to be playing football with a 10000+? Crowd this weekend. Our PM is going.

But every other thing attracting 500+ people is banned. That is, as long as our PM doesn't care about it
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 13, 2020, 02:51:27 AM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.
Send us old ones home to fend for ourselves  :o?
Saves a lot of beds in the ICU for you young ones.

Agreed. Go home old man! You're probably done for regardless. Save the beds for those that have a chance!

(triage can be brutal)
Why does Shifter hate old people so much? « on: Today at 07:48:21 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=85123.msg2240123#msg2240123)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 13, 2020, 03:10:15 AM
I'm listening to late night shows without an audience.  Very surreal.

They'll be playing sporting events without the crowds soon too.. Australia is still stupid to be playing football with a 10000+? Crowd this weekend. Our PM is going.

But every other thing attracting 500+ people is banned. That is, as long as our PM doesn't care about it

Peter Dutton has tested positive for CV,  guess where he was on Tuesday?    That's right,  ...  federal cabinet meeting.   LOL
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2020, 03:38:50 AM
I think the true rate of infection in Turkey is either not being published or not being tested for. South Africa just had someone come in from Turkey with Covid, and has now been guaranteed.
The official figures in Turkey are that only 1 person has been tested positive and treated.
No one knows how far this has gone yet.
You may be right. Why don't you help our doctors to deal with it?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
The US isn't the biggest oil importer any more.  China has been importing more and more oil for a while, so when they shut down and quarantine, they can have a huge impact on the world oil market.
https://fortune.com/2020/02/04/opec-coronavirus-china-slashes-oil-imports/

Yes, that is true, but it doesn't change the fact that Saudi Arabia is purposely flooding the market with cheap oil. Also, doesn't change my advice to get some extra fuel right now in case this goes on for a couple more weeks. The gas distribution companies, the ones that deliver to gas stations, schools, the military, power companies, etc, are searching for gas to fill their orders.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
BAM! It's a national emergency now. I wonder how many of those men have the virus after shaking Trump's hand.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
BAM! It's a national emergency now. I wonder how many of those men have the virus after shaking Trump's hand.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=85066.msg2240156#new

Werenasa XXI knew it earlier. :)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
What if Trump is the virus?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 13, 2020, 01:48:48 PM
BAM! It's a national emergency now. I wonder how many of those men have the virus after shaking Trump's hand.
Never fear, Trump will mount a nuclear missile attack on the virus and wipe it (and humanity) from the face of the Earth!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
Chinese seemed to have done this at the beginning. Now Chinese say that American soldiers infected it China. Actually two sides blame each other. It is doubtful that China was so prepared in my opinion.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 01:53:42 PM
I really don't think it would be a good thing for our leaders to get sick and die, but I wonder if they will take this more seriously if they get sick and fear they're going to die.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 13, 2020, 01:55:23 PM
I really don't think it would be a good thing for our leaders to get sick and die, but I wonder if they will take this more seriously if they get sick and fear they're going to die.

America could do with a clean slate
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
They continue the threat to scare people.

It is not convincing, nor believable, that countries with chemtrails that change the dna of food and produce seedless grapes, seedless tomatoes, nonputrescible  onions and nonputrescible potatoes, chemtrails to fire and fire extinguishing chemistry.

They are playing games and we do not know how long this game will last. so we have to start the game to end their game. and we have to tell people what's going on. As I said before, there is no difference in terms of them between an Australian caught in the middle of a fire and an American trying to avoid coronavirus. they treat us all like bugs or guinea pigs.

This one perhaps for a vaccine and they are discussing which badness they will add the vaccine that already exist.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 03:00:01 PM
I have never bought a nonputrescible potato or onion.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 13, 2020, 03:52:57 PM
Man has been chaging the DNA of food long before we knew what DNA was.  Selective Breeding and all.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0d8de5ede5f41d466703bf1c0a927dd9/3abfe3c15af51525-8e/s1280x1920/aacd76d76c9572fac673a46af19a3f57b7283b59.jpg)

OH LORD YEAH.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 13, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
K through 12 is officially closed for utah for the next two weeks.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 13, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0d8de5ede5f41d466703bf1c0a927dd9/3abfe3c15af51525-8e/s1280x1920/aacd76d76c9572fac673a46af19a3f57b7283b59.jpg)

OH LORD YEAH.
And proving that either they are or have very, very big asses!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 13, 2020, 07:08:03 PM
K through 12 is officially closed for utah for the next two weeks.

But when to end it? There will be this virus in the community all year. It only takes a few to exponentially explode all over again.

Many people that work in health care have kids. If those kids can't go to school, then perhaps they can't go to work. So who takes care of the sick? Many sectors of the work force will be quite disrupted if the schools are closed.

Do people that work in the child care and education sector still get an income? Or will they end up financially crippled through not working.


Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 13, 2020, 10:45:32 PM
I have never bought a nonputrescible potato or onion.

You are buying it but you are not awaring. I too didn't realize it for years. You buy onions and put them in the pantry outside. It remains not rotting for weeks or even months. I have realize it after I bought Syrian onion. After we occupied the north of Syria, our trade with Syria improved and things like onions and potatoes started to come. I bought Syrian onion because it is cheaper. it was delicious, like real onions. we have forgotten the true smell and taste of onions, potatoes, tomatoes. none of these foods are natural, organic. What they say is organic is not organic.

I put the Syrian onion in the pantry cupboard outside and it started to rot after 3 days, as it should be. next to it stood other onions, tomatoes and potatoes that I bought from the market and had been standing in the cellar for months. none of them rotted. if they were organic they would have to rot as well.

coronavirus does not rot easily, because it is not organic.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 13, 2020, 11:16:22 PM
Many people that work in health care have kids. If those kids can't go to school, then perhaps they can't go to work. So who takes care of the sick? Many sectors of the work force will be quite disrupted if the schools are closed.

Do people that work in the child care and education sector still get an income? Or will they end up financially crippled through not working.
That's what's bothering me. It won't be just "in the child care and education sectors" but many others and especially the small business sector. That employs the most of any sector.

Big business can keep paying staff for an extended period, as Qantas is doing, but small companies just cannot do that.
It will kill the profits (dividends) and the share prices but most will stay afloat but numerous small businesses will go under.

So those that are infected could be hit be a double whammy - the "joys" a tiny speck of "life" can impart >:D.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 14, 2020, 01:24:13 AM
In my area the daycare centers are currently staying open.  They're actually pretty gung ho about it.  They tell me a lot of first responders use their services.

As for everything else we have a bill going through congress that's supposed to address a lot of those concerns.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 14, 2020, 03:32:40 AM
I have never bought a nonputrescible potato or onion.

You are buying it but you are not awaring. I too didn't realize it for years. You buy onions and put them in the pantry outside. It remains not rotting for weeks or even months. I have realize it after I bought Syrian onion. After we occupied the north of Syria, our trade with Syria improved and things like onions and potatoes started to come. I bought Syrian onion because it is cheaper. it was delicious, like real onions. we have forgotten the true smell and taste of onions, potatoes, tomatoes. none of these foods are natural, organic. What they say is organic is not organic.

I put the Syrian onion in the pantry cupboard outside and it started to rot after 3 days, as it should be. next to it stood other onions, tomatoes and potatoes that I bought from the market and had been standing in the cellar for months. none of them rotted. if they were organic they would have to rot as well.

coronavirus does not rot easily, because it is not organic.

If your onions are rotting after 3 days in a pantry, then you have bad Onions.  They are meant to last for a month or two.
Tomatoes are another story and it depends on how cold it is in the pantry.
Potatoes, should last a while too.

Remember, they are roots of plants with their own food so unless they are diseased, they should not rot quickly. 
Tomatoes last longer if they still have stem as the stem provides nutrients.  You can see it with grapes.

Also, you have been doing this a long time.
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-starts-importing-potato-from-war-torn-syria-133882


Also, viruses can not rot.  Rot is usually from chemcial processes or bacteria.  Viruses are too small for bacteria and do not produce any chemcial process that would cause rot.  At best, their shell decays and the RNA is damaged by the environemnt.  But that is less Rot and more destruction.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 14, 2020, 03:38:05 AM
Norway basically has closed down all schools and daycares.
However, if both parents of a child are in a socially critical profession:Medical, transport, political, police/fire, etc... then the daycare must provide care.  Its far less than usual. 

Most businesses are either doing work from home or parents are taking just "sick time" which will count against their 10 day limit per year for sick kids or sick days but there is talk that either the limit will be temporarily raised or the time used will be ignored.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 14, 2020, 05:34:36 AM
I put the Syrian onion in the pantry cupboard outside and it started to rot after 3 days, as it should be.
No, it shouldn't.  Onions have been traded all over the world for centuries - they are famous for how long you can keep them before rotting.  They should last for months unless you get them damp.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 14, 2020, 07:30:50 AM
They are extending spring break for an extra week (or maybe two) here. It is to slow the spread so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. It won't stop the virus completely, but it buys time. If we'd taken this seriously from the beginning we could have been preparing all along, but no one except the Chinese were taking it seriously. The attitudes began to change after Italy quarantined itself, then heads of state started testing positive, now we've got national emergencies and people are paying attention. "Social distancing" is a good thing if the time is used to get supplies and training for healthcare workers.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 14, 2020, 07:46:30 AM
Everything has shut down here, schools, unis, all events, restaurants and cafes (unless they're take away), malls, etc. Of the non essential stuff it is only some clothing stores and churches that still work, because the church would throw a fit if they were shut down, despite being the most unhygienic of all and full of old people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 14, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
My kids' schools just announced they are closing. No word yet on how long. But they will be doing "remote learning" for at least the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 14, 2020, 11:40:31 AM
Universities are closing here and some high schools and upper comprehensive schools but not the rest. The Glorious Leader's school says they'll shut if a lot of students and/or staff end up in quarantine which would be shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted in my opinion.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 14, 2020, 05:59:24 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/14/trump-coronavirus-test-129444

Trump tests negative for coronavirus according to his physician. He is also not morbidly obese and the healthiest person in his administration.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 14, 2020, 05:59:53 PM
On point. Our government just spent $30 million on an advertising blitz. This is all they needed instead if you ask me.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 14, 2020, 10:18:06 PM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 14, 2020, 11:23:37 PM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.

But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 14, 2020, 11:23:54 PM
https://www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/coronavirus/utah-coronavirus-total-increases-to-19

19 new cases.  They're multiplying faster than Mormons.  Actually that's probably not factually accurate.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 03:45:40 AM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.

But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?

No, Obama did.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 15, 2020, 04:05:24 AM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.

But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?

No, Obama did.

Pretty sure God is more powerful than Obama and could have empowered Syrians, destroyed missiles, or just made  sure all the fighting was away from civillian areas.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 04:09:25 AM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.
But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?
No, Obama did.
Pretty sure God is more powerful than Obama and could have empowered Syrians, destroyed missiles, or just made  sure all the fighting was away from civillian areas.
God wanted to see how the peoples of other countries treated the Syrians. So he can punish them as after his own hearth.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 15, 2020, 04:28:29 AM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.
But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?
No, Obama did.
Pretty sure God is more powerful than Obama and could have empowered Syrians, destroyed missiles, or just made  sure all the fighting was away from civillian areas.
God wanted to see how the peoples of other countries treated the Syrians. So he can punish them as after his own hearth.
Is that also why he unleashed the corona virus too?  Kill people and see how the survivors act?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 04:37:04 AM
God is punishing the world because of their bad attitude against Syrian immigrants, those even relatives of Jesus are among them.
But didn't God punish Syrians by making them refugees in the first place?
No, Obama did.
Pretty sure God is more powerful than Obama and could have empowered Syrians, destroyed missiles, or just made  sure all the fighting was away from civillian areas.
God wanted to see how the peoples of other countries treated the Syrians. So he can punish them as after his own hearth.
Is that also why he unleashed the corona virus too?  Kill people and see how the survivors act?
I have just think it about Syrians. Others are your business.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 15, 2020, 05:08:21 AM
Australias travel advice for overseas

(https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/COVID19_RYNT_WorldMap.png)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 15, 2020, 05:18:54 AM
Australias travel advice for overseas

(https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/COVID19_RYNT_WorldMap.png)

LMAO why are all these African countries and Venezuela there even though they have hardly any COVID cases, but not Italy, Norway, South Korea and Spain which have far more cases per unit population than even China?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 15, 2020, 05:30:08 AM
Probably because there is violence and war?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 15, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
Australias travel advice for overseas

LMAO why are all these African countries and Venezuela there even though they have hardly any COVID cases, but not Italy, Norway, South Korea and Spain which have far more cases per unit population than even China?

They are 'do not travel' for different reasons. Was like that before the virus outbreak. But now no place in the world (except Antarctica) has a friendly travel advice


https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-14/church-religious-groups-say-coronavirus-cannot-infect-them/12055476

Quote
Greek Orthodox church says 'holy cup cannot carry disease', allows congregations to share spoon

Well then....  ::)

I think Greece should be put on the 'do not travel' list if this is how they think!!!  :P
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 06:01:07 AM
China is not dangereous anymore, but exist in your list.

Japan and South Korea are two of the countries have high cases, not exist in your list.

Italy and USA are two countries in the world only lost the battle against corona, and not exist in your list.

The only true advice is Iran in your map.  ;D

Proven. Your president hates his people and tries to make them sick.

You can sue your s.o.b. president because of tries to kill you by wrong advice. It was better you randomly travel.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 15, 2020, 06:07:44 AM
China is not dangereous anymore, but exist in your list.

Japan is one of the countries has high cases.

Italy and USA are two countries in the world only lost the battle, and not exist in your list.

Proven. Your president hates his people and tries to make them sick.

You can sue your s.o.b. president because of tries to kill you by wrong advice. It was better you randomly travel.

There are many that really hate our PM. He is inept, slow to act and is frankly a cold hearted bastard who is only concerned with his brand. Ironically it is largely this why he is failing and people hate him

America has tried to win this through spin and propaganda by not testing people - the real number of cases would be in the many thousands yet we still allow them in? Perhaps our PM is worried about the optics to his best bud Trump is he puts them on a 'do not travel' list. Putting his personal friendships first before the health of the nation.

China had the balls to act on this at any cost - and they have largely won. And we say 'do not travel there'. I'm sure China is happy not to have our sick people go there anyway.


Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 15, 2020, 07:02:42 AM
The problem with China is it's hard to believe them when doctors within China have said there government is providing false data. Maybe they gave their cases under control, but maybe they just aren't telling the truth.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 15, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
If every country tested the way South Korea is testing, I bet it would look a whole lot worse everywhere.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 08:01:22 AM
You Americans everytime ready to find an excuse to your failures. If there would many ills here I guess we would heard it. Because In our country, the dead are announced to the public from the mosques and there is no difference between the last period and the previous period.

I bet they would know if people themselves were dying more in Japan, Korea, or Iran. I mean, if you were dying, you would let the others know. Meh, people are not dying here. Stop making excuses for your failures.

west couldn't give a good test on this. European countries are suffering more than others, just like the medieval plague. the fact is that european countries do not care about hygiene and are also not accustomed to disciplined life. therefore, you cannot understand these things.

Oyeah, actually people are dying everywhere but do not aware. yeah man, yeah! And your president did not tell virus will die in April, hence no panic required when China was applying quarantina. And now, yeah, China tells lie, yeah! Surely!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
China is not dangereous anymore, but exist in your list.

Japan is one of the countries has high cases.

Italy and USA are two countries in the world only lost the battle, and not exist in your list.

Proven. Your president hates his people and tries to make them sick.

You can sue your s.o.b. president because of tries to kill you by wrong advice. It was better you randomly travel.

There are many that really hate our PM. He is inept, slow to act and is frankly a cold hearted bastard who is only concerned with his brand. Ironically it is largely this why he is failing and people hate him

America has tried to win this through spin and propaganda by not testing people - the real number of cases would be in the many thousands yet we still allow them in? Perhaps our PM is worried about the optics to his best bud Trump is he puts them on a 'do not travel' list. Putting his personal friendships first before the health of the nation.

China had the balls to act on this at any cost - and they have largely won. And we say 'do not travel there'. I'm sure China is happy not to have our sick people go there anyway.

The fact is that China has been more sincere in this regard than many countries. They say that the disease came from Americans who came to the country. If this is the case, the situation in the USA is worse than we think.

The disease is under control in China and president went to Wuhan and announced it to the media. china won this war. Of course, since the event has propaganda dimension, the United States cannot accept it. While they were competing for something, the continuation of western pride caressing made the center of the disease Europe today. According to the information given by Who, the center of the disease is Europe. but to me the real center is usa. this is my opinion.

Your PM is worse than corona.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 08:23:33 AM
Difference of discipline:

(https://i.hizliresim.com/jowZTF.png)

(https://i.hizliresim.com/eLyaWU.png)

China has overcome it, while the rest has not.

(https://i.hizliresim.com/6SoR0Q.png)

And those new cases are mainly Europeans, Americans and Iranians.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 15, 2020, 08:28:31 AM
The thing that has been the most unsettling for me is the knee-jerk reactions from the people in charge. Perfect example: on Friday, my daughter's school was planning to have administrators meet this week to discuss strategy about preparing to have kids start remote learning. Then on Saturday they blasted out an email saying they decided to instead implement a plan to have kids stay home bringing in Wednesday - Monday and Tuesday they would be helping kids prepare for being home. Then today, they blasted another email saying instead of the previous two now-abandoned plans, the schools are closed immediately for a yet-to-be determined amount of time.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 15, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
And the wonderful backwards state of TN is reopening their schools. This is after 1) doing nothing and saying there was no problem 2) saying they were going to shut down our district for 2 weeks and 3) reopening schools without having done any testing to confirm the lack of cases.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 15, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
I probably already had the corona virus, but my immune system is so strong, I didn't even notice the infection.


Other than that, I really hope my country get it's shit together and we dont end up like italy - we're currently on the best way to do so. But fortunately, we have way better health care and infrastructure than a 3rd world country like italy.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 15, 2020, 11:21:22 AM
This is why so many Americans end up stupid

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-trump-fox-business-trish-regan-removed-impeachment-conspiracy-a9403011.html

There are people who actually watch and listen to that shite. Trump wonders about all the fake news? He need only look to the crap on FOX (when he's not looking at his own Twitter feed)

And check this out

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/12/media/fox-news-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 15, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
I probably already had the corona virus, but my immune system is so strong, I didn't even notice the infection.



Congrats on not being an 80 year old diabetic.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 15, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

WTF kind of sick shit is this?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 15, 2020, 01:23:00 PM
Jesus, it helps no one to have "exclusive access". Seems like the Germans are just as bad, since they wanted to keep the vaccine for themselves. WTF is wrong with people. If I was a scientist working for that company I'd leak all the work done so far online.

Seems I was a bit quick to add the blame on the company, they want to make the vaccine for the whole world.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Jesus, it helps no one to have "exclusive access". Seems like the Germans are just as bad, since they wanted to keep the vaccine for themselves. WTF is wrong with people. If I was a scientist working for that company I'd leak all the work done so far online.

Seems I was a bit quick to add the blame on the company, they want to make the vaccine for the whole world.

As far as I follow , Trump wants the vaccine for only himself and his friends. Germans are telling the vaccine will be for everybody in the world.

The best solution for rest of the world is a leaking as you mentioned. I think the company will prevent this with all their power for commercial reasons.

Another company has to emerge and start selling a vaccine with "satisfactory results" and "baiting" the company. otherwise the company enslaves the world.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 15, 2020, 02:25:23 PM
Problem is these companies try to compete with each other rather than collaborate. They want credit, money and nobel prizes.

It actually makes sense economically to collaborate on this one given the financial damage the viruses existence is doing to the world (except for maybe toilet paper companies).

Trump is the worst human. Despicable piece of shit and frankly it's a wonder there are people who would still praise him. This sort of shit is really definitive of his character. I can't think of another western country where such a stunt would not be political suicide.

But as they say

"Only in America!"
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 15, 2020, 05:35:19 PM
Australias travel advice for overseas

LMAO why are all these African countries and Venezuela there even though they have hardly any COVID cases, but not Italy, Norway, South Korea and Spain which have far more cases per unit population than even China?

They are 'do not travel' for different reasons. Was like that before the virus outbreak. But now no place in the world (except Antarctica) has a friendly travel advice


https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-14/church-religious-groups-say-coronavirus-cannot-infect-them/12055476

Quote
Greek Orthodox church says 'holy cup cannot carry disease', allows congregations to share spoon

Well then....  ::)

I think Greece should be put on the 'do not travel' list if this is how they think!!!  :P
Yes, our church is fucking bonkers, although recently some priests came out and said "OK, but seriously, stay at home". Although it was only, like, a couple days ago when some church in Larissa did a big communion event. Fucking nutjobs.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 15, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
https://www.stripes.com/news/stuttgart-red-lights-brothels-amid-coronavirus-fears-1.622351

 
Quote
STUTTGART, Germany — Brothels in U.S. European Command’s hometown of Stuttgart were among a slew of sites that city officials have ordered to close their doors to help in the fight against the coronavirus.

In fact, any form of prostitution was banned, and clubs, bars, movie theaters, museums and public baths were also ordered to temporarily shut down to help in the city’s effort to contain the fast-spreading virus.

You know it's srs if Germans are closing the brothels.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 15, 2020, 09:28:09 PM
Covid_19: Open letter from Italy to the international scientific community

https://left.it/2020/03/13/covid_19-open-letter-from-italy-to-the-international-scientific-community/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 15, 2020, 11:28:01 PM
Oh and Trump wants any vaccines for AMERICA ONLY!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/coronavirus-germany-tries-to-stop-us-luring-away-firm-seeking-vaccine.html

Like seriously, this is low even for him.  He'll damn the world just to be exclusive. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 01:27:36 AM
For those that still peddle that this is not much different than the flu (cough NSS cough)

Lets do a mini simulation of 10 active forum members and give the covid-19 to each of them

John Davis
Space Cowgirl
boydster
crouton
Bom Tishop
Lorddave
wise
Pezevenk
Shifter
rabinoz

Ok. Each one of us gets infected  8)

8 of us will have symptoms ranging from a mild to a bad 'cold'
1 of us will require a stay in hospital. Provided the hospital is not over capacity, we should recover in a few weeks
rabinoz is dead  :o >:D

That is the reality. And before we all recover we will likely pass on the virus to at least 2-3 others.

If this was the seasonal flu, you could give it to every active member on this site and it would be unsurprising that we would all recover in a matter of days. There are still people in a serious condition weeks after catching this covid-19 virus

The level of panic is stupid. The fighting over dunny paper is pathetic. The stock market crashing is based on hyperbolic fear. Still, we shouldn't just piss caution in the wind. We should actively take measures to 'flatten the curve'. We shouldn't horde any potential vaccines and we should stop posting dangerous advice that drinking disinfectant can kill the virus or promote the Fox and Friends myth that this is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu. The only reason why this virus hasn't killed as many is because we have actively tried to mitigate the spread and contain it. If China 'let her rip' you can be sure the death toll would be enormous. Imagine if none of the countries bothered to slow the spread. We wouldn;t be dealing with a slow trickle of cases - we'd be caught unprepared with a massive influx of people clogging up hospitals and taking time of work. The funeral business might boom though

Flattening the curve also ensures that the people who get it, should they require hospital care to live, can get it. If everyone gets it at once, many more people than otherwise would die



It's mind boggling people thought this would work in the first place. Darwinism award to those that dont survive this idiocy
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 02:54:57 AM


'Muricans go for the guns in the panic. If all Australia goes for is pasta and dunny roll I think we will do ok lol

Also hats off (not) to all the dimwits who think being Asian = having the virus. The level of hate, ignorance and racism is tearing your society apart. Spraying Febreeze on Asians? Really?

What the hell is wrong with people?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 16, 2020, 03:54:54 AM

Like seriously, this is low even for him.  He'll damn the world just to be exclusive.
The only thing he thinks about is WINNING.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 06:36:28 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 16, 2020, 06:41:11 AM
Oh and Trump wants any vaccines for AMERICA ONLY!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/coronavirus-germany-tries-to-stop-us-luring-away-firm-seeking-vaccine.html

Like seriously, this is low even for him.  He'll damn the world just to be exclusive.
I'm almost willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe he want's America to invent and get the vaccine first and the rest of the world can get it from us later.  Still bad, but (as Don Corleone said) "it's only business."
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 16, 2020, 07:55:33 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.

Wow, this would be amazing if it turns out they are right.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 16, 2020, 08:15:37 AM
Oh and Trump wants any vaccines for AMERICA ONLY!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/coronavirus-germany-tries-to-stop-us-luring-away-firm-seeking-vaccine.html

Like seriously, this is low even for him.  He'll damn the world just to be exclusive.
I'm almost willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe he want's America to invent and get the vaccine first and the rest of the world can get it from us later.  Still bad, but (as Don Corleone said) "it's only business."

The most charitable interpretation is that Trump wants the US to get most of the vaccines at first when this is starting to get manufactured.  The problem with that is because of the nature of managing a pandemic what's best for America might not actually be getting our people vaccinated first.  And I doubt Trump comprehends that.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 08:26:17 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.

Wow, this would be amazing if it turns out they are right.

I feel we will can not find chloroquine drug soon at pharmacies. So, hence, it may be an agressive advertisement aim to sell chloroquine drugs, but not working actually. Even so people will try it perhaps.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 16, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.

Wow, this would be amazing if it turns out they are right.

I feel we will can not find chloroquine drug soon at pharmacies. So, hence, it may be an agressive advertisement aim to sell chloroquine drugs, but not working actually. Even so people will try it perhaps.

I think there are a lot of people who take that for rheumatoid arthritis, so maybe it's not a scarce drug and is easily manufactured. I think the HIV drugs are probably the ones that are working, though. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 16, 2020, 08:39:03 AM


Sometimes I'm impressed by the things we do in a crisis.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 08:39:22 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.

Wow, this would be amazing if it turns out they are right.

I feel we will can not find chloroquine drug soon at pharmacies. So, hence, it may be an agressive advertisement aim to sell chloroquine drugs, but not working actually. Even so people will try it perhaps.

I think there are a lot of people who take that for rheumatoid arthritis, so maybe it's not a scarce drug and is easily manufactured. I think the HIV drugs are probably the ones that are working, though.

And according to rumors ibuprofen and some similar drugs increase the  power of corona. Austrian scientists tell. But they did not announce it because of they afraid company sue them. And I have two times heard HIV drugs are well against corona with malaria medicine.

Since the world is concentrating on this problem, I believe they will at least find a treatment that prevents the spread of the disease in a very short time, just like HIV. Actually, doctors have no other choice. You can be protected from HIV or influenza, but it seems impossible to avoid it. Hence, they have to solve. At least we have some solutions.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 16, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5

At last, a good news.

I have read one of the drugs as chloroquine and its another version chloroquine phospat. I could not find the other drug which has been used for HIV too.

Wow, this would be amazing if it turns out they are right.

I feel we will can not find chloroquine drug soon at pharmacies. So, hence, it may be an agressive advertisement aim to sell chloroquine drugs, but not working actually. Even so people will try it perhaps.

I think there are a lot of people who take that for rheumatoid arthritis, so maybe it's not a scarce drug and is easily manufactured. I think the HIV drugs are probably the ones that are working, though.

And according to rumors ibuprofen and some similar drugs increase the  power of corona. Austrian scientists tell. But they did not announce it because of they afraid company sue them. And I have two times heard HIV drugs are well against corona with malaria medicine.

Since the world is concentrating on this problem, I believe they will at least find a treatment that prevents the spread of the disease in a very short time, just like HIV. Actually, doctors have no other choice. You can be protected from HIV or influenza, but it seems impossible to avoid it. Hence, they have to solve. At least we have some solutions.

That sounds nuts.  I'll stick to my crack snorting with a bleach chase to cure coronavirus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 16, 2020, 09:28:11 AM
I probably already had the corona virus, but my immune system is so strong, I didn't even notice the infection.



Congrats on not being an 80 year old diabetic.

Actually, Covid19 is symptomatic in nearly all cases.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 16, 2020, 09:31:37 AM
I believe they will at least find a treatment that prevents the spread of the disease in a very short time, just like HIV. Actually, doctors have no other choice. You can be protected from HIV or influenza, but it seems impossible to avoid it. Hence, they have to solve.
Eh?  There is no cure or vaccination for HIV, just drugs that suppress it very effectively.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 16, 2020, 09:56:58 AM
Word has come down from corporate.  I am officially telecommuting until this blows over.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
I believe they will at least find a treatment that prevents the spread of the disease in a very short time, just like HIV. Actually, doctors have no other choice. You can be protected from HIV or influenza, but it seems impossible to avoid it. Hence, they have to solve.
Eh?  There is no cure or vaccination for HIV, just drugs that suppress it very effectively.
Eh! I did not tell anything different.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 16, 2020, 10:17:34 AM
Honest Government Ad:

(http://)

Brilliant!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 16, 2020, 10:23:37 AM
I believe they will at least find a treatment that prevents the spread of the disease in a very short time, just like HIV. Actually, doctors have no other choice. You can be protected from HIV or influenza, but it seems impossible to avoid it. Hence, they have to solve.
Eh?  There is no cure or vaccination for HIV, just drugs that suppress it very effectively.

Actually, already 2 cases of HIV have been completely cured so far.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 10:34:59 AM
Honest Government Ad:

(http://)

Brilliant!

Flatten the curve, then it done!  ^-^
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 01:42:53 PM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 16, 2020, 01:47:01 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/traders-await-futures-open-after-fed-cuts-rates-launches-easing-program.html

And just like that all of Trump's gains in the stock market have been vaporized.

Help us Australia!  We need you now more than ever!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/traders-await-futures-open-after-fed-cuts-rates-launches-easing-program.html

And just like that all of Trump's gains in the stock market have been vaporized.

Help us Australia!  We need you now more than ever!

We're here to save the world! (again)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 16, 2020, 03:06:47 PM
For those that still peddle that this is not much different than the flu (cough NSS cough)

Lets do a mini simulation of 10 active forum members and give the covid-19 to each of them

John Davis
Space Cowgirl
boydster
crouton
Bom Tishop
Lorddave
wise
Pezevenk
Shifter
rabinoz

Ok. Each one of us gets infected  8)

8 of us will have symptoms ranging from a mild to a bad 'cold'
1 of us will require a stay in hospital. Provided the hospital is not over capacity, we should recover in a few weeks
rabinoz is dead  :o >:D

That is the reality. And before we all recover we will likely pass on the virus to at least 2-3 others.

That's wrong though. That's a 10% mortality rate. In reality it seems to be 1-5%, depending on the region.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 16, 2020, 03:32:42 PM
Wise's simulation is inaccurate. John Davis will never catch the virus because he's in a secure holding facility under solitary confinement.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 03:35:21 PM
Wise's simulation is inaccurate. John Davis will never catch the virus because he's in a secure holding facility under solitary confinement.

Keep far to ibuprofen and make yourself malaria. Then you may live longer.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
For those that still peddle that this is not much different than the flu (cough NSS cough)

Lets do a mini simulation of 10 active forum members and give the covid-19 to each of them

John Davis
Space Cowgirl
boydster
crouton
Bom Tishop
Lorddave
wise
Pezevenk
Shifter
rabinoz

Ok. Each one of us gets infected  8)

8 of us will have symptoms ranging from a mild to a bad 'cold'
1 of us will require a stay in hospital. Provided the hospital is not over capacity, we should recover in a few weeks
rabinoz is dead  :o >:D

That is the reality. And before we all recover we will likely pass on the virus to at least 2-3 others.

That's wrong though. That's a 10% mortality rate. In reality it seems to be 1-5%, depending on the region.

Rabinoz already has one foot in the grave due to his advanced years and poor health from his sedentary existence just sitting at the computer to yell on the forums. If he gets covid-19 he's done for. If he gets the seasonal flu I doubt that would put the old codger down 8)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/traders-await-futures-open-after-fed-cuts-rates-launches-easing-program.html

And just like that all of Trump's gains in the stock market have been vaporized.

Help us Australia!  We need you now more than ever!

We're here to save the world! (again)

The only opponent of Brisbane scientists are Melbourne scientists. Your doctors racing each other. Either they are flying doctors or f'lying doctors? :Pp
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 16, 2020, 04:09:41 PM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)

I don't understand why the internet isn't blowing up with all this new information coming out of Australia today.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 16, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
For those that still peddle that this is not much different than the flu (cough NSS cough)

Lets do a mini simulation of 10 active forum members and give the covid-19 to each of them

John Davis
Space Cowgirl
boydster
crouton
Bom Tishop
Lorddave
wise
Pezevenk
Shifter
rabinoz

Ok. Each one of us gets infected  8)

8 of us will have symptoms ranging from a mild to a bad 'cold'
1 of us will require a stay in hospital. Provided the hospital is not over capacity, we should recover in a few weeks
rabinoz is dead  :o >:D

That is the reality. And before we all recover we will likely pass on the virus to at least 2-3 others.

That's wrong though. That's a 10% mortality rate. In reality it seems to be 1-5%, depending on the region.

Rabinoz already has one foot in the grave due to his advanced years and poor health from his sedentary existence just sitting at the computer to yell on the forums. If he gets covid-19 he's done for. If he gets the seasonal flu I doubt that would put the old codger down 8)
Only one way to find out.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 16, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Wise's simulation is inaccurate. John Davis will never catch the virus because he's in a secure holding facility under solitary confinement.

I knew those underground secret bunkers would come in handy one day.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 16, 2020, 07:57:36 PM
The insanity is mind boggling.

https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus-strategy-is-literally-one-of-the-most-insane-things-in-modern-history-45c755f1db2d

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2020, 08:19:57 PM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)
And a bit more hope from Brisbane:
      ‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/)
      CURE HOPES: Two existing drugs could ‘cure’ coronavirus as patients respond well to treatment. (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11184402/two-existing-drugs-cure-coronavirus-patients-respond-treatment/)
Anti-viral drugs may offer that best hope in the short term especially as these are existing ones that have already been tested for safety on people.
Vaccines will take longer to develop and test for safety because we don't want a poor vaccine that causes this or some similar disease.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 10:11:58 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/man-allegedly-stabbed-in-woolies-in-victorias-mornington-peninsula/news-story/4817e2e2bec6798855857ac048937e3f

Employees getting stabbed now?

Do we deserve to come out of this?

Glad we don't have guns. Watch out America.... Society is being torn apart and it's fragility exposed and almost everyone of you walks around with a loaded gun
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 16, 2020, 10:57:30 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/man-allegedly-stabbed-in-woolies-in-victorias-mornington-peninsula/news-story/4817e2e2bec6798855857ac048937e3f

Employees getting stabbed now?

Do we deserve to come out of this?

Glad we don't have guns. Watch out America.... Society is being torn apart and it's fragility exposed and almost everyone of you walks around with a loaded gun

It rings the bell NAZIs behind this. A person with sanity does not do such a thing. but someone who enjoys harming other people can plan it. maybe the americans and the germans are struggling. nazi germany decided this. The Nazis who run the USA are trying to buy the company because they know this. USA and Germany conflict is compatible with NASA scenario.

All hints show that NAZIs are behind the coronavirus, whether or not related Germany or USA.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 16, 2020, 11:05:08 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/man-allegedly-stabbed-in-woolies-in-victorias-mornington-peninsula/news-story/4817e2e2bec6798855857ac048937e3f

Employees getting stabbed now?

Do we deserve to come out of this?

Glad we don't have guns. Watch out America.... Society is being torn apart and it's fragility exposed and almost everyone of you walks around with a loaded gun
And they're getting stocked up on more arms:
Coronavirus outbreak: US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)

I'm waiting for the Great Toilet Paper Heist :o! Maybe Einstein was right:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5zxxNVP/Einstein-Only-Two-Things.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 16, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/man-allegedly-stabbed-in-woolies-in-victorias-mornington-peninsula/news-story/4817e2e2bec6798855857ac048937e3f

Employees getting stabbed now?

Do we deserve to come out of this?

Glad we don't have guns. Watch out America.... Society is being torn apart and it's fragility exposed and almost everyone of you walks around with a loaded gun
And they're getting stocked up on more arms:
Coronavirus outbreak: US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)

I'm waiting for the Great Toilet Paper Heist :o! Maybe Einstein was right:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5zxxNVP/Einstein-Only-Two-Things.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

You already missed it lol

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51527043
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 17, 2020, 12:31:05 AM
I still dont know why people are hoarding Toilet paper.
There is a set amount of Toilet paper that people are using with or without the virus.
There is a set amount of Toilet paper that is being produced with or without the virus. (Not all factories are going to close for every long)

At some point, (soon) the stores will all be re-stocked, and there will be fewer people needing toilet paper.

People really are shitting themselves over this
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 12:32:03 AM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)


Wow, so you australiens just discovered that the body fights infections with antibodies?
That's great, now you're only like 100 years behind other first world countries!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 12:34:53 AM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)
And a bit more hope from Brisbane:
      ‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia (https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/)
      CURE HOPES: Two existing drugs could ‘cure’ coronavirus as patients respond well to treatment. (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11184402/two-existing-drugs-cure-coronavirus-patients-respond-treatment/)
Anti-viral drugs may offer that best hope in the short term especially as these are existing ones that have already been tested for safety on people.
Vaccines will take longer to develop and test for safety because we don't want a poor vaccine that causes this or some similar disease.
Seriously, chloroquin and some anitvirals have been used successfully by the chinese since weeks, probably even months. This is absolutely not news, just the australians re-testing/confirming what the chinese told them.

Edit it's also not really a cure it just helps to lower viral load thus kinda helping the body to fight the infection and lessen symptoms. Its not like you can take this pill and then are fine.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 17, 2020, 01:31:13 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/man-allegedly-stabbed-in-woolies-in-victorias-mornington-peninsula/news-story/4817e2e2bec6798855857ac048937e3f

Employees getting stabbed now?

Do we deserve to come out of this?

Glad we don't have guns. Watch out America.... Society is being torn apart and it's fragility exposed and almost everyone of you walks around with a loaded gun
And they're getting stocked up on more arms:
Coronavirus outbreak: US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)

I'm waiting for the Great Toilet Paper Heist :o! Maybe Einstein was right:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5zxxNVP/Einstein-Only-Two-Things.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

You already missed it lol

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51527043
So we have already had the Minor Toilet Paper Heist and now for the big one!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wrJgNQS/Einstein-Duh.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
If only the coronavirus could "cull the herd" of types like that but I doubt virii are smart enough to know the difference.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 01:33:32 AM
Australia again?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-scientists-make-major-coronavirus-breakthrough/news-story/7bc7d9ebd54ef4dfa0aa4483855c3669


Just sit tight everyone. We got this  8)


Wow, so you australiens just discovered that the body fights infections with antibodies?
That's great, now you're only like 100 years behind other first world countries!

So the Swedish researchers know the antibody mechanisms involved and have a vaccine ready?   Wonderful news....   

Oh, you were just being a know-it-all asshole,  then STFU.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 01:37:11 AM
So the Swedish researchers know the antibody mechanisms involved and have a vaccine ready?
Neither do the australian researchers.
The article literally had no new information, just what everyone knows since dozens of years.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 01:54:13 AM
So the Swedish researchers know the antibody mechanisms involved and have a vaccine ready?
Neither do the australian researchers.
The article literally had no new information, just what everyone knows since dozens of years.

So, you missed the following key sentence? 

" the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer"

Here are the details.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0819-2
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
So the Swedish researchers know the antibody mechanisms involved and have a vaccine ready?
Neither do the australian researchers.
The article literally had no new information, just what everyone knows since dozens of years.

So, you missed the following key sentence? 

" the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer"
And all the detail mentioned was, that the immune system uses antibodies to fight covid...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 02:02:50 AM
So the Swedish researchers know the antibody mechanisms involved and have a vaccine ready?
Neither do the australian researchers.
The article literally had no new information, just what everyone knows since dozens of years.

So, you missed the following key sentence? 

" the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer"
And all the detail mentioned was, that the immune system uses antibodies to fight covid...

You still never read the paper in Nature Medicine?   That's a bit sloppy on your behalf,  do you always display such arrogant ignorance?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Bom Tishop on March 17, 2020, 02:31:00 AM
do you always display such arrogant ignorance?

You forgot to ask if fire was hot or the sky blue.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 02:42:37 AM
You still never read the paper in Nature Medicine?   That's a bit sloppy on your behalf,  do you always display such arrogant ignorance?
Then post the link to the actual paper, instead of a trash news article? If someone posts a useless link, I'm going to call it out. Deal with it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 02:58:30 AM
You still never read the paper in Nature Medicine?   That's a bit sloppy on your behalf,  do you always display such arrogant ignorance?
Then post the link to the actual paper, instead of a trash news article? If someone posts a useless link, I'm going to call it out. Deal with it.

I already did.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 03:08:52 AM
You still never read the paper in Nature Medicine?   That's a bit sloppy on your behalf,  do you always display such arrogant ignorance?
Then post the link to the actual paper, instead of a trash news article? If someone posts a useless link, I'm going to call it out. Deal with it.

I already did.
Where? I didn't see it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 03:18:19 AM
You still never read the paper in Nature Medicine?   That's a bit sloppy on your behalf,  do you always display such arrogant ignorance?
Then post the link to the actual paper, instead of a trash news article? If someone posts a useless link, I'm going to call it out. Deal with it.

I already did.
Where? I didn't see it.


You could have found it yourself, if your head wasn't so far up your ass.   Here it is again.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0819-2
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 17, 2020, 03:27:02 AM

While the almost civilised world, hoard and scowl at anyone who sneezes, the US does its usual response to stuff;

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/768/cpsprodpb/A41A/production/_111301024_guns.jpg)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 03:50:44 AM
You could have found it yourself, if your head wasn't so far up your ass.   Here it is again.
Yes I could have, I probably also could have conducted this study myself.
Thing is, unlike you I don't have unlimited free time.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 17, 2020, 05:36:28 AM

While the almost civilised world, hoard and scowl at anyone who sneezes, the US does its usual response to stuff;

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/768/cpsprodpb/A41A/production/_111301024_guns.jpg)
Would an M-16 or an AA 12 automatic shotgun be the most effective against an invading army of SARS-CoV-2 viruses?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 17, 2020, 05:43:22 AM
Rookie question.

The answer, of course, is a flamethrower.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 06:29:03 AM
SARS-CoV-2 viruses
That's like saying 'HIV virus'.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 17, 2020, 06:29:29 AM
Turkey is going to be leader with all his speed.

Past 3 days number of cases in Turkey: 6 - 18 -48

Do you see the energy? We have just two weeks to correct something. Less time than even Italy and USA have.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 17, 2020, 07:03:49 AM
Turkey is going to be leader with all his speed.

Past 3 days number of cases in Turkey: 6 - 18 -48

Do you see the energy? We have just two weeks to correct something. Less time than even Italy and USA have.

Don't worry, turkey doesn't have enough labs to test enough people, so they won't be able to catch up to e.g. italy  ;)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 07:20:53 AM

While the almost civilised world, hoard and scowl at anyone who sneezes, the US does its usual response to stuff;

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/768/cpsprodpb/A41A/production/_111301024_guns.jpg)

Bunch of amateurs, I've had my AK since SARS.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 17, 2020, 07:23:21 AM

While the almost civilised world, hoard and scowl at anyone who sneezes, the US does its usual response to stuff;

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/768/cpsprodpb/A41A/production/_111301024_guns.jpg)

Bunch of amateurs, I've had my AK since SARS.

Every one of those people would pull the trigger on their fellow man if their dunny roll supply was threatened. This is what it's come down to
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 07:25:33 AM
The worst thing about panic gun buying is that a lot of people who are prone to panic buy guns.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 17, 2020, 08:40:03 AM
You'd think that with Trump in power, they wouldn't feel the need to buy more guns but, here we are.

Unless all those people plan to rob others with their legal gun purchases.  You know, in the chaos of Trump's failure to keep the economy from collapsing.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 17, 2020, 10:10:33 AM
Turkey is going to be leader with all his speed.

Past 3 days number of cases in Turkey: 6 - 18 -48

Do you see the energy? We have just two weeks to correct something. Less time than even Italy and USA have.

Don't worry, turkey doesn't have enough labs to test enough people, so they won't be able to catch up to e.g. italy  ;)

We can understand this if people start to die. quarantine measures were implemented well at the outset. The government made a mistake by accepting people come from Europe and pilgrimage. I hope they don't make mistakes anymore.

As a note, we have enough number of labs.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 17, 2020, 10:12:22 AM
Mall of America closed. That is a lot of jobs.

At a different place an old bartender Facebook friend turned GM had to tell 60+ worker they won’t make any money for 30+ days.


 I know it’s necessary and we will get through it but this just sucks.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 17, 2020, 10:18:20 AM
In our country, shopping malls are not closed, but empty, streets are empty. Some of the companies give unpaid leave to workers while official institutions and some companies give paid leave. The private sector is in a very difficult situation.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 17, 2020, 11:40:28 AM
You'd think that with Trump in power, they wouldn't feel the need to buy more guns but, here we are.

Unless all those people plan to rob others with their legal gun purchases.  You know, in the chaos of Trump's failure to keep the economy from collapsing.

It's a wooby.  It just makes some people feel safe.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 17, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
You'd think that with Trump in power, they wouldn't feel the need to buy more guns but, here we are.
People are afraid that someone is going to break in and steal their toilet paper.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 12:34:31 PM
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1239991887911620612?s=20
Quote
MCCONNELL TO REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE HOUSE BILL: “My counsel is to gag and vote for it anyway.”

https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1239992308302569473?s=20
Quote
WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE? Mitch McConnell is playing enforcer and demanding his members vote for the compromise to demonstrate to Americans that their government is working. A lot of the Republicans in his conference are unhappy with this measure

Kasie Hunt is a "Capital Hill Correspondent" for NBC.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 17, 2020, 01:47:24 PM
the institution I worked for gave holiday to all staff. majority of institutions are in the same situation.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
Schools are closed for the rest of the school year in Florida.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 17, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
Spring break!

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 04:02:46 PM
Wait, now they're saying the schools are closing until April 15th (or something like that) but I bet they will end up closing for the rest of the year. This is going to get much worse. We've already got a couple hundred confirmed cases.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 17, 2020, 06:15:20 PM


Trump's spiritual advisor grifting.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 17, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
She's a real piece of work... 



Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 17, 2020, 11:51:02 PM
The situation everywhere is probably going to get much worse before it turns.

Look at South Korea how to control this situation.
1- Test everybody all the time.
2- Immediately isolate people who have Covid19 and those who they came in contact with
3- Repeat
These measures on top of social distancing.

Until this starts happening, the situation wont improve for years.
There is a lot of talk about flattening the curve, what people dont realize, is that the curve will need to flatten to the extent that emergency will keep going for 10's of years.

Realistically, we need to already be looking at how to live with the virus for the foreseeable future.
The alternative is accepting millions of deaths.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 01:07:54 AM
New travel advice for Australians

(https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/WorldMap_DNT.jpg)

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 18, 2020, 01:31:33 AM
New travel advice for Australians

(https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/WorldMap_DNT.jpg)


At least they can go to Antarctica!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 18, 2020, 02:24:07 AM

For gods sake won't somebody think of the penguins!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 18, 2020, 02:41:41 AM

For gods sake won't somebody think of the penguins!

Penguins roam free in closed Chicago aquarium
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-chicago-aquarium-chicago-shedd-america-cases-latest-a9404326.html

Way a head of you
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 18, 2020, 03:20:04 AM
At least they can go to Antarctica!
How do they get past the guards?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 03:44:17 AM
A cure has been found. We're saved

https://thelogicalindian.com/news/cow-urine-bjp-covid-19-arrest-20214

Quote
Narayan Chatterjee from north Kolkata's Jorasanko area had organised an event on Monday, during which he distributed cow urine. According to a Hindustan Times report, he told people that drinking cow urine would give them complete protection against coronavirus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 18, 2020, 03:48:52 AM
At least they can go to Antarctica!
How do they get past the guards?
The heavily armed NASA Ninja Penguins only keep flat-Earthers away.
All these that have circumnavigated the Earth via both poles crossed Antarctica.
Many of these were by air but Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles R. Burton are credited with achieving the first surface polar-circumnavigation:
Quote
Polar Circumnavigation
(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/polar-circumnav.jpg)
 (https://flatearth.ws/polar-circumnav)
In 1979, Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles R. Burton set out from Greenwich, England to the South Pole, and then headed north to the North Pole and back to Greenwich. This journey is recorded by the Guinness Book of World Records as the first surface polar circumnavigation.

Route: Greenwich, England – Cape Town, South Africa – South Pole – Auckland, New Zealand – Sydney, Australia – Los Angeles, United States – Vancouver, Canada – Yukon River, Canada – North Pole – Greenwich, UK.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 18, 2020, 03:52:56 AM
A cure has been found. We're saved
https://thelogicalindian.com/news/cow-urine-bjp-covid-19-arrest-20214
Quote
Narayan Chatterjee from north Kolkata's Jorasanko area had organised an event on Monday, during which he distributed cow urine. According to a Hindustan Times report, he told people that drinking cow urine would give them complete protection against coronavirus.
It is probably only effective if you believe cows are sacred and worship them :o.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 03:59:55 AM
A cure has been found. We're saved
https://thelogicalindian.com/news/cow-urine-bjp-covid-19-arrest-20214
Quote
Narayan Chatterjee from north Kolkata's Jorasanko area had organised an event on Monday, during which he distributed cow urine. According to a Hindustan Times report, he told people that drinking cow urine would give them complete protection against coronavirus.
It is probably only effective if you believe cows are sacred and worship them :o.

Damn. I dont worship cows. I eat them  :'(
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 18, 2020, 04:33:49 AM
The situation everywhere is probably going to get much worse before it turns.

Look at South Korea how to control this situation.
1- Test everybody all the time.
2- Immediately isolate people who have Covid19 and those who they came in contact with
3- Repeat
These measures on top of social distancing.

Until this starts happening, the situation wont improve for years.
There is a lot of talk about flattening the curve, what people dont realize, is that the curve will need to flatten to the extent that emergency will keep going for 10's of years.

Realistically, we need to already be looking at how to live with the virus for the foreseeable future.
The alternative is accepting millions of deaths.
We won't have to live with the virus. Shit will tone down during the summer and then there will probably be a vaccine. Scientists say they will probably be available by fall.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 04:38:59 AM
The situation everywhere is probably going to get much worse before it turns.

Look at South Korea how to control this situation.
1- Test everybody all the time.
2- Immediately isolate people who have Covid19 and those who they came in contact with
3- Repeat
These measures on top of social distancing.

Until this starts happening, the situation wont improve for years.
There is a lot of talk about flattening the curve, what people dont realize, is that the curve will need to flatten to the extent that emergency will keep going for 10's of years.

Realistically, we need to already be looking at how to live with the virus for the foreseeable future.
The alternative is accepting millions of deaths.
We won't have to live with the virus. Shit will tone down during the summer and then there will probably be a vaccine. Scientists say they will probably be available by fall.

Except your summer is our winter. And where do we like to go for holidays in winter? Up North!  8)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 18, 2020, 05:01:58 AM
My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 18, 2020, 05:09:41 AM
We won't have to live with the virus. Shit will tone down during the summer and then there will probably be a vaccine. Scientists say they will probably be available by fall.
Except your summer is our winter. And where do we like to go for holidays in winter? Up North!  8)
Shifter is right, as long as this thing floats around, its never going magically go away. Polio did not magically go away either.

According to everyone that is not a "influencer", we should not expect a vaccine for at least 18 months.

Additionally, the first vaccines are likely not to be super effective as they wont have gone through the rigorous testing that they would normally have gone through. Could even kill some people in the process. Vaccines take a long time to identify, test, test, test, test, test, produce, recall, test, test, test, produce. Thats why it usually takes a long time to make them.
There are a lot of unknowns right now, including its rate of mutation.
If it mutates fast enough vaccines wont be super effective over the long term. This is why there are cases of people getting re-infected. They are not getting the exact same strain, but a evolved one that their immune system does not recognize. This is not confirmed, but there are people seriously looking into that possibility.
This is why we still dont have a vaccine against HIV

On the bright side, it seems that there are treatments that significantly reduce the mortality rate though, so thats a plus.

Welcome to the 2020's; where you check what the virus is doing before the weather to determine what to do for the day.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 18, 2020, 05:18:16 AM
My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(
That's worrying. At least in Australia, they are testing any with symptoms that make Covid-19 likely.
We are making our own test kits but there is a shortage of necessary chemicals.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 05:34:52 AM
My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(
That's worrying. At least in Australia, they are testing any with symptoms that make Covid-19 likely.
We are making our own test kits but there is a shortage of necessary chemicals.

The protocol for testing in Australia is so strict that many who may have got it through community transmission are not to be tested. We have been woeful in our testing. The only way to get tested is if you came from overseas and show symptoms or are caring for someone who has tested positive. But if you are showing symptoms but have not had any known contact with an infected person or not been overseas - you will not get tested. So if some dirty yank was coughing and spluttering in a bus having recently come from overseas and you didn't know he came from overseas and didn;t know where you may have gotten sick from - your not getting tested

The real result of infections in Australia could be thousands of people with covid-19. Many wont meet the guidelines to be allowed a test (unless they get seriously ill) and most of them will probably assume they have a bad cold and not bother getting tested anyway

I frequent public servant buildings and have gone shopping plenty of times recently. If any one of those people had this virus and passed it on to me, there is no way I would be allowed a test. Because I could not name anyone who has tested positive. So I would be allowed to continue working and mingling in society passing it onto others

R0 value of 2.4 or so? Well as long as I am out and about (and think its nothing more than a cold) that could be 2.4 people every day!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 18, 2020, 05:55:26 AM
The protocol for testing in Australia is so strict that many who may have got it through community transmission are not to be tested. We have been woeful in our testing. The only way to get tested is if you came from overseas and show symptoms or are caring for someone who has tested positive. But if you are showing symptoms but have not had any known contact with an infected person or not been overseas - you will not get tested. So if some dirty yank was coughing and spluttering in a bus having recently come from overseas and you didn't know he came from overseas and didn;t know where you may have gotten sick from - your not getting tested

The real result of infections in Australia could be thousands of people with covid-19. Many wont meet the guidelines to be allowed a test (unless they get seriously ill) and most of them will probably assume they have a bad cold and not bother getting tested anyway

I frequent public servant buildings and have gone shopping plenty of times recently. If any one of those people had this virus and passed it on to me, there is no way I would be allowed a test. Because I could not name anyone who has tested positive. So I would be allowed to continue working and mingling in society passing it onto others

R0 value of 2.4 or so? Well as long as I am out and about (and think its nothing more than a cold) that could be 2.4 people every day!
I think everyone is underestimating just how badly nearly everyone on earth is prepared for this.

The reason why testing is slow is most places in the world only have a few labs that can only test a certain number of tests per day. This may be a maximum of say 1000 per lab. These same labs where probably at 80% of their max capacity BEFORE covid19 came along, meaning other people waiting to find out of they have something else may now need to wait. This is not just a simple test, it requires fancy machines, chemicals and trained personnel. Most countries are testing very slowly because they simply can not test faster, new equipment and infrastructure needs to be built and installed.

here is a great article of how the tests are created and done

https://www.wired.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-testing/
also gives you a good insight in how badly the USA buggered up
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 18, 2020, 07:27:12 AM
My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(

Oh no, I hope she will be okay.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 18, 2020, 07:50:10 AM
You would think a germophobe like Trump would have been more worried about this sooner.

My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(

Oh no, I hope she will be okay.
That is awful. I hope it all works out okay.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 07:59:43 AM
And now there's a fucking earthquake in Utah!

These are definitely the last days.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 18, 2020, 08:01:20 AM
And TN changed their minds again and we are again keeping schools closed.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 08:25:23 AM



Don't panic. Don't get angry either I say
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 08:31:00 AM
I am devising a method to create improvised toilet paper with a combination of leaves and pigeons.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 10:06:55 AM
And again trading on the stock market is suspended after Trump speaks.  I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: John Davis on March 18, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
I am devising a method to create improvised toilet paper with a combination of leaves and pigeons.
The hard part is training the pigeons. But then again, if you can make homing missiles with them...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 18, 2020, 10:25:28 AM
Trump has ordered a suspension of evictions and home loan foreclosures. This should help a lot of people.

Also, the grocery store is out of bread and milk. I was imagining people sitting in their homes with rotten loaves of bread, but then I remember school is out and people are probably making a lot more sandwiches.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
Shit

https://www.wired.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-testing/

Quote
As soon as the test kits arrived in the state laboratories, scientists there set about the first order of business—verifying the tests’ results. That involved running known samples through the test to make sure it picked up SARS-Cov-2 when it should, and didn’t erroneously flag harmless, virus-free samples. But a number of those labs ran into issues. On some, the negative control failed. On others, what should have been positive results came back as inconclusive.

On February 12, the CDC announced that the problem was the result of a faulty reagent. The third primer, the one that picks up the whole family of coronaviruses, wasn’t working properly.

The tests have been picking up the corona virus in general perhaps. Which includes many of the harmless common colds. It has not been set up to distinguish between those and covid-19 so clearly all these positive tests results were just the common cold! Tom Hanks is old and he has felt fine! No fever either - just like you expect with the cold.

So we can all stop panicking now. We can restore the stock market and give up the quest to empty the supermarkets of everything. All this shit and collapse of society over the common cold?? LOL

New travel advice

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/0edcd63377342bb4100bd0468ebeb400?width=650)

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 18, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
And now there's a fucking earthquake in Utah!

These are definitely the last days.

https://twitter.com/KSL5TV/status/1240290878117130240?s=20
Quote
BREAKING: Angel Moroni statue on Salt Lake Temple loses its trumpet in Wasatch Front earthquake. #utahearthquake

This can't be good.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 12:08:31 PM
But that was the CDC, not the WHO.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
A lot of aftershocks.  There's an aftershock happening while I'm typing this.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
But that was the CDC, not the WHO.

Yes but the point is these tests appear designed to pick up 'corona virus'. Of which there are many and which hundreds of millions of people get every year with certain strains of the 'common cold'
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 18, 2020, 01:37:23 PM
Hope Utah is ok

My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(

Oh no, I hope she will be okay.

She hopefully will be as she's very healthy for her age but she's quarantined at home with my dad and my brother and my dad has heart issues and my brother asthma and immune issues so very worried about them.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 18, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
My mum is ill and it seems likely to be it but they aren't testing in the UK :(
That's worrying. At least in Australia, they are testing any with symptoms that make Covid-19 likely.
We are making our own test kits but there is a shortage of necessary chemicals.

The protocol for testing in Australia is so strict that many who may have got it through community transmission are not to be tested. We have been woeful in our testing.

The real result of infections in Australia could be thousands of people with covid-19. Many wont meet the guidelines to be allowed a test (unless they get seriously ill) and most of them will probably assume they have a bad cold and not bother getting tested anyway.
Simply because the testing kits are not there.

Quote from: Shifter
I frequent public servant buildings and have gone shopping plenty of times recently. If any one of those people had this virus and passed it on to me, there is no way I would be allowed a test. Because I could not name anyone who has tested positive. So I would be allowed to continue working and mingling in society passing it onto others

R0 value of 2.4 or so? Well as long as I am out and about (and think its nothing more than a cold) that could be 2.4 people every day!
Agreed and any R0 over 1.0 means that it will not die out until virtually everyone has been infected - most will only have mild of no symptoms but will still be carriers until the body can build up its own immunity.

More frightening is that some have suggested that only about 1 in 6 are symptomatic and the only common symptoms of those are a slight fever, a dry cough and possibly some early loss on lung function - breathlessness.

But more cannot be tested here because there are not the testing kits available - the production rate is being ramped up but is limited by a chemical that only Roche can supply.

And if that's not bad enough look at this by Bill Gates specifically about the coronavirus and the date he presented the talk:
The abbreviated version:

Watch Bill Gates Warn The World Against Corona Virus In 2015

Mar 18, 2020 by tooXclusive.com
     And the full address to TED:

The next outbreak? We’re not ready |

Bill Gates 9,231,347 views Apr 3, 2015 by TED

Over 9,000,000 viewed the full video and who took any notice? Just look at some of the inane comments.

Ain't hindsight wonderful :o?

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Post by: Shifter on March 18, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
What I find scary is even those that recover (looking at CT scans of the lungs) have a fair bit of damage as such as pulmonary fibrosis

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200228142018.htm

I'm not sure if pulmonary fibrosis from this virus leads to a vastly reduced life expectancy but it doesn't look good

https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/

All the more reason why certain governments plans to allow the population to get this to acquire 'herd immunity' is a bad plan
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 18, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
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Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 04:56:28 PM
The first member of congress has tested positive for coronavirus.

And because of the way our system works there's no way they can legislate without exposing all of them to this virus.

So they're all pretty much in the high risk category.  That means statistically we're going to lose about 10% of congress or roughly 50 lawmakers.
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Post by: JerkFace on March 18, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Does nobody understand that herd immunity only works when the majority of the population has antibodies for the virus,  and in the absence of a vaccine that means we all get it.

Simple fact,  if you don't get oxygen into your lungs you die.   No second chance,  100% death rate.

These respiratory viruses have the potential to progress to severe pneumonia which without ventilators can stop you breathing,  and then you die.

Why would any Government think that this is a workable plan.   So far Sweden, UK and Netherlands are reportedly considering this approach.  FFS



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Post by: John Davis on March 18, 2020, 05:24:17 PM
The first member of congress has tested positive for coronavirus.

And because of the way our system works there's no way they can legislate without exposing all of them to this virus.

So they're all pretty much in the high risk category.  That means statistically we're going to lose about 10% of congress or roughly 50 lawmakers.
Worse, Old Mitch says he'll do no such thing.
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Post by: Crouton on March 18, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
The first member of congress has tested positive for coronavirus.

And because of the way our system works there's no way they can legislate without exposing all of them to this virus.

So they're all pretty much in the high risk category.  That means statistically we're going to lose about 10% of congress or roughly 50 lawmakers.
Worse, Old Mitch says he'll do no such thing.

There's something almost admirable about that.  He is, without exaggeration, risking his life for this principle of... I don't know.  The Founding Fathers didn't write teleconferencing into the Constitution?
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Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 19, 2020, 12:29:04 AM

So looking at the logarithmic scale for the USA, it shows that the USA is multiplying its case amount by 10x every 7-8 or so days. I wonder if this is going to keep going for another week, because if it does there will be about 90 000 cases by next week. Adding about 22 000 people on just that day.


This is what a simple projection looks like for this month at the current (average) growth rate.


(https://i.imgur.com/9J1IUjr.png)


Or if you prefer graphs


(https://i.imgur.com/MAfezJ7.png)


This is not a prediction, this is just extrapolation.


So lets see where we are by the month end.
I think we should see a slow down before the end of the month, but 10x more cases by end of next week is reasonable.
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Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 19, 2020, 02:41:20 AM
Oh don't worry, they won't test enough so you won't see 90k cases that soon.
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Post by: Shifter on March 19, 2020, 02:57:59 AM
The first member of congress has tested positive for coronavirus.

And because of the way our system works there's no way they can legislate without exposing all of them to this virus.

So they're all pretty much in the high risk category.  That means statistically we're going to lose about 10% of congress or roughly 50 lawmakers.

It's not a clean slate but it's a start
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Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 19, 2020, 03:27:38 AM
The first member of congress has tested positive for coronavirus.

And because of the way our system works there's no way they can legislate without exposing all of them to this virus.

So they're all pretty much in the high risk category.  That means statistically we're going to lose about 10% of congress or roughly 50 lawmakers.

It's not a clean slate but it's a start
Maybe this was Trumps plan all along when he said he was going to drain the Swamp.
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Post by: Shifter on March 19, 2020, 03:55:06 AM
https://healthweather.us

Hope your doing OK Space Cowgirl.... Florida looks sickly on this map
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 06:33:09 AM
Yeah, the spring break retarts are down here spreading their germs, plus there's always a lot of travel between NY and Miami so that's why south Florida is bad.

I read in the paper this morning that a second congressman has tested positive. I think it was a senator but I can't remember.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 06:34:03 AM
Oh don't worry, they won't test enough so you won't see 90k cases that soon.

This is true.
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Post by: Crouton on March 19, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
Italy has now passed China on coronavirus deaths.  Italy has a population of 60 million.  China has 20 times as much.

Either China has done spectacularly well controlling this or Italy has completely fucked up.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
China is a huge country, with a more spread out population outside the cities. They trapped people in their villages with roadblocks. Maybe that helped them get control of it faster, plus they are communist and the people do what they're told.  I imagine Florida will be like Italy. We'll let it destroy us before closing down tourism.
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Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 19, 2020, 01:59:05 PM
Here is the best/most recent guideline for corona treatement and prevention from the chinese doctors:
https://video-intl.alicdn.com/Handbook%20of%20COVID-19%20Prevention%20and%20Treatment.pdf

I think my country is far away from this, especially in prevention.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 19, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
Italy has now passed China on coronavirus deaths.  Italy has a population of 60 million.  China has 20 times as much.

Either China has done spectacularly well controlling this or Italy has completely fucked up.
Demographics and habits probably play a large part.  You have the second oldest population on the planet where old people actually mix with younger people  - families often have grandparents in the house.  In commuter towns and rural ares the younger ones commute to Milan, probably infecting themselves, then bring home to grandpapa and grandmama.   A recipe for disaster with this virus.

We have an old population in the UK, but fortunately we shovel them all into care homes.  Which is of course for their own good, rather than to free up the spare bedroom.  ::)
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Post by: boydster on March 19, 2020, 03:04:10 PM

So looking at the logarithmic scale for the USA, it shows that the USA is multiplying its case amount by 10x every 7-8 or so days. I wonder if this is going to keep going for another week, because if it does there will be about 90 000 cases by next week. Adding about 22 000 people on just that day.


This is what a simple projection looks like for this month at the current (average) growth rate.


(https://i.imgur.com/9J1IUjr.png)


Or if you prefer graphs


(https://i.imgur.com/MAfezJ7.png)


This is not a prediction, this is just extrapolation.


So lets see where we are by the month end.
I think we should see a slow down before the end of the month, but 10x more cases by end of next week is reasonable.

Interesting factoid to go along with this. There are, apparently, tons of tests in backlog that are supposed to be checked in the coming days, so in a 48 hour period we could see a dramatic increase in confirmed cases. It'll hopefully be a very short-lived acceleration while they work through the backlog, but it's going to impact our number of confirmed cases significantly.
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Post by: Crouton on March 19, 2020, 03:13:03 PM
We've completely botched the testing.  When we finally get it together I'm sure there'll be a big uptick in cases. 

At the same time we've only recently started to take this seriously.  So we're about to get some very weird data.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 03:39:15 PM
The hospital nearby has set up tents. I can't imagine being sick in Florida and have to stay in a tent. It's already nearly 90 degrees every afternoon.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 05:43:34 PM
Twitter is all atwitter about Senator Richard Burr pretending to be unconcerned about coronavirus back in February while quietly selling off $1.6 million in stock.

I should have linked the article, here it is https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 19, 2020, 06:35:07 PM
Just did a shopping run and got the last of the couscous.

We need to release our strategic couscous reserves!
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2020, 06:43:01 PM
You will have to learn to grow your own couscous!
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Post by: JerkFace on March 19, 2020, 09:17:29 PM
Supermarkets around here are starting to replenish stocks,  a few days ago there was no eggs, meat, potatoes,  long life milk and pasta were all gone.   Last time I looked most of those were back in stock, but they were applying limits on how many you could buy. 

Sadly the couscous situation remains dire and no hope for this season's couscous crop.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 19, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
Twitter is all atwitter about Senator Richard Burr pretending to be unconcerned about coronavirus back in February while quietly selling off $1.6 million in stock.

I should have linked the article, here it is https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

AOC is on the case..   https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/aoc-calls-senate-intel-chair-richard-burr-resign-stock-selloff-n1164401
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 19, 2020, 10:36:01 PM
Twitter is all atwitter about Senator Richard Burr pretending to be unconcerned about coronavirus back in February while quietly selling off $1.6 million in stock.

I should have linked the article, here it is https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

AOC is on the case..   https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/aoc-calls-senate-intel-chair-richard-burr-resign-stock-selloff-n1164401

It's beyond unethical.  This is probably very illegal.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act.

Sadly with everything going on this is probably going to slide.
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Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 20, 2020, 12:15:48 AM
We have a veggie garden that can keep us having greens nearly indefinitely.
Did not think much of it until yesterday, but turns out I have been planning this for years.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 20, 2020, 12:49:26 AM
That's a good thing to have in an apocalypse.  I don't have that personally I've always wondered why the strong taboo against cannibalism?

So we both have our ways to survive in the new world.  We'll let the historians decide which way is more ethical.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 20, 2020, 01:19:08 AM
That's a good thing to have in an apocalypse.  I don't have that personally I've always wondered why the strong taboo against cannibalism?

So we both have our ways to survive in the new world.  We'll let the historians decide which way is more ethical.
Well, cannibalism does have another disadvantage that you catch a bad case of prions disease, and who knows what else.
I think one of us will be part of history before the other
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Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 20, 2020, 02:37:24 AM
Twitter is all atwitter about Senator Richard Burr pretending to be unconcerned about coronavirus back in February while quietly selling off $1.6 million in stock.

I should have linked the article, here it is https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

AOC is on the case..   https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/aoc-calls-senate-intel-chair-richard-burr-resign-stock-selloff-n1164401

It's beyond unethical.  This is probably very illegal.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act.

Sadly with everything going on this is probably going to slide.
Probably for now.  But when the pandemic comes to an end and the economy is in tatters then there may well be mobs with pitchforks out there.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 20, 2020, 04:46:43 AM
RIP 36 year old Aussie in Iceland from this virus.

Even the young don't necessarily survive it
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 20, 2020, 04:51:43 AM
Finns aren't being as obedient as they are supposed to be, lots are still going on ski holidays which means gathering in groups larger than 10 and thousands went to the opening on a new shopping centre. Idiots. My local facebook group is full of people moaning about old people being out and about.

Mum is getting better but now dad has a fever. She said she didn't really have a cough though so hopefully its not it.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 20, 2020, 07:04:10 AM
Finns aren't being as obedient as they are supposed to be, lots are still going on ski holidays which means gathering in groups larger than 10 and thousands went to the opening on a new shopping centre. Idiots. My local facebook group is full of people moaning about old people being out and about.

Mum is getting better but now dad has a fever. She said she didn't really have a cough though so hopefully its not it.

That is really good news. Hopefully it was just a normal sickness! She probably would have been much sicker if it was coronavirus.
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Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 20, 2020, 07:22:17 AM
Finns aren't being as obedient as they are supposed to be, lots are still going on ski holidays which means gathering in groups larger than 10 and thousands went to the opening on a new shopping centre. Idiots. My local facebook group is full of people moaning about old people being out and about.

Mum is getting better but now dad has a fever. She said she didn't really have a cough though so hopefully its not it.

That is really good news. Hopefully it was just a normal sickness! She probably would have been much sicker if it was coronavirus.
Not necessarily.   Even older people can just end up with mild symptoms.  If she didn't have a cough it seems unlikely though.
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Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 20, 2020, 07:27:38 AM
Finns aren't being as obedient as they are supposed to be, lots are still going on ski holidays which means gathering in groups larger than 10 and thousands went to the opening on a new shopping centre. Idiots. My local facebook group is full of people moaning about old people being out and about.

Mum is getting better but now dad has a fever. She said she didn't really have a cough though so hopefully its not it.
You should kinda hope it was sars coronavirus 2 because then she'd most likely be immune now.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 20, 2020, 08:15:15 AM
That's a good thing to have in an apocalypse.  I don't have that personally I've always wondered why the strong taboo against cannibalism?

So we both have our ways to survive in the new world.  We'll let the historians decide which way is more ethical.
Well, cannibalism does have another disadvantage that you catch a bad case of prions disease, and who knows what else.
I think one of us will be part of history before the other

See that's where you're wrong.  I've stocked up on Alex Jones' anticoronavirus toothpaste which I'm confident is equally effective at fighting off prions disease.
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Post by: Crouton on March 20, 2020, 08:21:00 AM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg&w=1440)

This is not a doctored image.

The low level racism and divisiveness of this aren't really what bothers me about this.  It's that during a serious crisis he refuses to stop doing this sort of "i have the biggest inauguration crowd" type nonsense.  These news conferences he gives are terrible.  He has to talk for some reason.  And he's just wrong about most of the things he says.  Then there's his experts but I can't entirely trust them either because he's probably threaten to fire any expert that disagrees with him.

The highest authority that's trustworthy in this country is probably the state government now.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 20, 2020, 08:24:09 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/sen-richard-burr-requests-ethics-probe-into-his-stock-sales-138768

Oh okay.  I feel much better now.  Burr has asked the republican controlled senate to see if what he did was wrong.  I'm sure they'll do the right thing.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 20, 2020, 08:42:16 AM
Richard Burr: Probe me, pls!
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 20, 2020, 11:12:35 AM
https://www.caracalreports.com/four-senators-sell-stocks-before-market-crashes-after-private-coronavirus-briefing/

Senator Kelly Loeffler looks incredibly guilty of insider trading, too. Inhofe and Feinstein not as much.
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 20, 2020, 12:29:58 PM


EVERYTHING'S FINE.
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Post by: JerkFace on March 20, 2020, 04:03:14 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg&w=1440)

This is not a doctored image.

The low level racism and divisiveness of this aren't really what bothers me about this.  It's that during a serious crisis he refuses to stop doing this sort of "i have the biggest inauguration crowd" type nonsense.  These news conferences he gives are terrible.  He has to talk for some reason.  And he's just wrong about most of the things he says.  Then there's his experts but I can't entirely trust them either because he's probably threaten to fire any expert that disagrees with him.

The highest authority that's trustworthy in this country is probably the state government now.

Someone on Twitter pointed out that it's a tactic straight out of 1984,  the message is going to be that the Chinese are to blame and the Dems are stopping Trump from protecting the people from this Chinese attack. 

Expect conspiracy theories from the looney right to fall into line with the theory that it's a Chinese attack.

Here is the twitter reference  https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1241017839688888321
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Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 20, 2020, 04:11:16 PM
You guys can donate some computer power to Folding@home if you have any to spare https://foldingathome.org/2020/03/15/coronavirus-what-were-doing-and-how-you-can-help-in-simple-terms/
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Post by: Shifter on March 20, 2020, 04:26:18 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg&w=1440)

This is not a doctored image.

The low level racism and divisiveness of this aren't really what bothers me about this.  It's that during a serious crisis he refuses to stop doing this sort of "i have the biggest inauguration crowd" type nonsense.  These news conferences he gives are terrible.  He has to talk for some reason.  And he's just wrong about most of the things he says.  Then there's his experts but I can't entirely trust them either because he's probably threaten to fire any expert that disagrees with him.

The highest authority that's trustworthy in this country is probably the state government now.

Trump is a despicable human being. The lowest of the low. The scum of scum. How anyone in good conscience can still support this sub human is beyond me.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 20, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
So,  does anybody have a clue about the end game is going to play out?

Seems like the current plan is that the world stops for as long as it takes for the virus to burn out,  but the social upheaval that implies could be dramatic. 

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Post by: Crouton on March 20, 2020, 10:09:27 PM
Yeah, it's all about flattening the curve.  Hopefully the economy isn't annihilated in the process.  I have a bad feeling that the only restaurants left after this are going to be mediocre chain restaurants.
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Post by: JerkFace on March 20, 2020, 10:38:36 PM
Yeah, it's all about flattening the curve.  Hopefully the economy isn't annihilated in the process.  I have a bad feeling that the only restaurants left after this are going to be mediocre chain restaurants.

Yep, flatten the curve that's the current plan,  but what comes after that,  that's the question.  What is the endgame? 

How do we stop society from breaking down in the meantime?

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 21, 2020, 12:11:31 AM
I'm speculating, could be way off.  But I think as people get infected then we'll be resistant to it.  Eventually we'll get to the point where it isn't nearly as lethal or infectious.
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Post by: Shifter on March 21, 2020, 01:25:38 AM
Yeah, it's all about flattening the curve.  Hopefully the economy isn't annihilated in the process.  I have a bad feeling that the only restaurants left after this are going to be mediocre chain restaurants.

Yep, flatten the curve that's the current plan,  but what comes after that,  that's the question.  What is the endgame? 

How do we stop society from breaking down in the meantime?

I'm guessing at some point soon, peoples homes will reach peak saturation point for toilet paper and other food staples diminishing this stupid FOMO bug everyone seems to have caught. The government in the UK has promised? 80% wages for 3 months to those that lost their jobs because of this I believe (not sure if every industry). Hopefully our government comes to the party. Our banks need to bright enough to freeze their expectations for the next few months and see that having many people go bankrupt, lose their homes and businesses is not in their long term interest. They are rich enough to ride this out and resume once society can resume. Tax payers have helped prop up the banking sector for long enough. It's time we collect
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Post by: rabinoz on March 21, 2020, 03:19:13 AM
I'm speculating, could be way off.  But I think as people get infected then we'll be resistant to it.  Eventually we'll get to the point where it isn't nearly as lethal or infectious.
Those people that do get infected apparently do develop an immunity for at least a few years.
I don't know that anyone is suggesting that this immunity can be transferred from person to person.

So if no vaccine is developed it is not unlikely that enough will be infected for the rate to naturally fall off.
At a guess that could mean somewhere around 60% becoming infected and that's not far off the governor of California's prediction.

But who knows? Ask an expert.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 21, 2020, 03:25:59 AM
I'm speculating, could be way off.  But I think as people get infected then we'll be resistant to it.  Eventually we'll get to the point where it isn't nearly as lethal or infectious.
Those people that do get infected apparently do develop an immunity for at least a few years.
I don't know that anyone is suggesting that this immunity can be transferred from person to person.

So if no vaccine is developed it is not unlikely that enough will be infected for the rate to naturally fall off.
At a guess that could mean somewhere around 60% becoming infected and that's not far off the governor of California's prediction.

But who knows? Ask an expert.

I think its this 'herd immunity' is what people think will provide protection for others. But I'm still skeptical

If I am immune to the virus, it doesn't mean I cant spread it. It simply means I wont catch it.

If I took a bus and an infected person sneezed on their hand and then pushed the stop button or held the rails and then I did the same and then proceeded to go home and without washing my hands, touched the door handles, light switches TV remote etc, a non immune person can catch it.

It just means I wont get sick and sneeze/breathe it out places.

You need a large chunk of the population to all be immune to make a substantial impact. For vaccine preventable diseases I believe the target rate is 95%.
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Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 21, 2020, 04:08:39 AM
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If I am immune to the virus, it doesn't mean I cant spread it. It simply means I wont catch it.
You're not gonna spread it if your immune system recognizes and kills the virus immediatley, because you're viral load will be approximately 0.
Of course there is still a small possibility of you spreading it by touching stuff etc.

But the thing is, if the R0 of the virus is around 2-3, then it should be enough to have about 2/3 of the population to be immune for the virus to not be able to spread (not sure about the 2/3, I don't know the math).

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You need a large chunk of the population to all be immune to make a substantial impact. For vaccine preventable diseases I believe the target rate is 95%.
It entirely depends on R0. If R0 is large (measles has like 16 or so) then yes, you need such high numbers.



Anyway, it really blows my mind how people in every country talk about how to stop the virus spreading, how to keep the economy going etc except for the USA, where people discuss wether the democracts, chinese or russians are to blame. Like seriously, shut the fuck up, it's not all about you and how some imaginary enemy that tries to attack you. Get off your high horse and face reality.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 21, 2020, 06:00:26 AM
I'm speculating, could be way off.  But I think as people get infected then we'll be resistant to it.  Eventually we'll get to the point where it isn't nearly as lethal or infectious.
Those people that do get infected apparently do develop an immunity for at least a few years.
I don't know that anyone is suggesting that this immunity can be transferred from person to person.

So if no vaccine is developed it is not unlikely that enough will be infected for the rate to naturally fall off.
At a guess that could mean somewhere around 60% becoming infected and that's not far off the governor of California's prediction.

But who knows? Ask an expert.
I think its this 'herd immunity' is what people think will provide protection for others. But I'm still skeptical
"This 'herd immunity'" is what stops very many unvaccinated against, say measles, from getting infected and the level of infected (or vaccinated ones) depends on the R0 value.
For Covid-19 R0 is about 2.2, for influenza 12 and for measles about 18. See:
Quote
Epidemic theory (effective & basic reproduction numbers, epidemic thresholds) (https://www.healthknowledge.org.uk/public-health-textbook/research-methods/1a-epidemiology/epidemic-theory)
Herd immunity

Herd immunity occurs when a significant proportion of the population (or the herd) have been vaccinated (or are immune by some other mechanism), resulting in protection for susceptible (e.g. unvaccinated) individuals. The larger the number of people who are immune in a population, the lower the likelihood that a susceptible person will come into contact with the infection. It is more difficult for diseases to spread between individuals if large numbers are already immune as the chain of infection is broken.

The herd immunity threshold is the proportion of a population that need to be immune in order for an infectious disease to become stable in that community. If this is reached, for example through immunisation, then each case leads to a single new case (R=1) and the infection will become stable within the population.

(https://www.healthknowledge.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publichealthtextbook/epidemiology/formula11.png)

If the threshold for herd immunity is surpassed, then R<1 and the number of cases of infection decreases. This is an important measure used in infectious disease control and immunisation and eradication programmes.
Note that "If the threshold for herd immunity is surpassed, then R<1 and the number of cases of infection decreases" but does not fall to zero!

Quote from: Shifter
If I am immune to the virus, it doesn't mean I cant spread it. It simply means I wont catch it.

If I took a bus and an infected person sneezed on their hand and then pushed the stop button or held the rails and then I did the same and then proceeded to go home and without washing my hands, touched the door handles, light switches TV remote etc, a non immune person can catch it.
It just means I wont get sick and sneeze/breathe it out places.
Yes, you can still pass on virus contamination but the virus won't multiply and make you a spreader.

Quote from: Shifter
You need a large chunk of the population to all be immune to make a substantial impact. For vaccine preventable diseases I believe the target rate is 95%.
The above Herd Immunity Threshold is just that, a threshold past which the "the number of cases of infection decreases" but does not fall to zero.

That target rate of 95% fits for measles where R0 = 18. For the Covid-19 it would be about 55% but with Covid-19 maintaining a higher level would be highly desirable.

But with so many anti-vaxxers around it is hard to get vaccination rates above 90%.

So like it or not the infection level will head towards 55% until a vaccine is developed and unless anti-viral drugs or some other treatment is developed probably 3% of those infected will die.
The disease is unlikely to die out until a far higher vaccination rate is achieved.

So says a non-extert anyway.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 21, 2020, 06:28:11 AM
Quote
Note that "If the threshold for herd immunity is surpassed, then R<1 and the number of cases of infection decreases" but does not fall to zero!
If R<1 it will (per definition) eventually fall to 0.

Anyway, how are you doing grandpa? Staying home I hope?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 21, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There are multiple ways to get to R<1

Fastest and easiest is to isolate everyone,  but that comes at a social cost and shutting down society which could lead to society breaking down in unpredictable ways.   ( Witness the toilet paper panic for example),  what comes next in that scenario could be much worse.

Vaccinate a high enough proportion of the population,  would work,  but no vaccine exists as yet.

Let the epidemic run it's course and take the losses.   No government would survive the backlash and society could collapse anyway as millions die.

Of course there is a finite possibility that the virus mutates and we get hit with multiple waves of different variants,  making immunity difficult to ever achieve, R always >1

Anybody got some better ideas?   Me, I'm off to stock up on baked beans and ammo.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 21, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Why have 15 million users in China dropped off the phone network?

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241082360323596289
Some think it could be indicative of the true number of deaths in China. Others think its the Chinese censorship at work. China does censor anything that makes the CCP look bad. Even if it's the truth

However as early as February 9, rumours that 50,000 had already died in Wuhan
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

The source is apparently not credible but one can hardly say the CCP is credible either.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 21, 2020, 11:42:25 AM
Why have 15 million users in China dropped off the phone network?

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241082360323596289
Some think it could be indicative of the true number of deaths in China. Others think its the Chinese censorship at work. China does censor anything that makes the CCP look bad. Even if it's the truth

However as early as February 9, rumours that 50,000 had already died in Wuhan
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

The source is apparently not credible but one can hardly say the CCP is credible either.
In terms of covid mortality rate, 15mio would definitely be a possible number. But it would also mean that china would be in pure chaos - there is no way they could avoid getting the news outside.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 21, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 21, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?

Yeah, noone has doubted that?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 21, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Why have 15 million users in China dropped off the phone network?

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241082360323596289
Some think it could be indicative of the true number of deaths in China. Others think its the Chinese censorship at work. China does censor anything that makes the CCP look bad. Even if it's the truth

However as early as February 9, rumours that 50,000 had already died in Wuhan
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

The source is apparently not credible but one can hardly say the CCP is credible either.

My brother send me a story on facebook which says China is lying about having it under control.  But then again my brother is kind of a conspiracy theorist.

It seems possible on the one hand because China is secretive and likes to lie about things like this.  On the other hand it's such a large country that's connected enough to the rest of the world that it seems hard to get away with a lie like that.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 21, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
Why have 15 million users in China dropped off the phone network?

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241082360323596289 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241082360323596289)
Some think it could be indicative of the true number of deaths in China. Others think its the Chinese censorship at work. China does censor anything that makes the CCP look bad. Even if it's the truth

However as early as February 9, rumours that 50,000 had already died in Wuhan
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/ (https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/)

The source is apparently not credible but one can hardly say the CCP is credible either.


I think the official Chinese posted number is correct.
Its not that easy to suppress all news. WHO still has people on the ground in China studying this. Any scientist would blow the whistle on hidden deaths, especially as high as that.
As it is, people in china are not happy about the whole ordeal. I seem to be reading a lot of social media posts that make me think that people dont realize that the people in china are real Humans. They are becoming more sophisticated every year and dont like the censorship as much as anyone else.
The world as a whole got news of Corona before it was official news from China. They had to admit it existed whether they liked it or not. There are a lot of Chinese not in china with family and friends there, so news gets out.

There seems to be lots of conspiracies trying to make it all China's fault and make them more evil than they already are. They puckered up, but then they responded well. Its up to the rest of the world to act. Any deaths outside of China is no longer their fault. We all knew it was coming.

You can blame China once they take over. :p
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 21, 2020, 01:25:18 PM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?

Yeah, noone has doubted that?

Well, they were talking about the quarantine and herd immunity. We're not going to get herd immunity from flattening the curve. We're just going to sit in our toilet paper bunkers and wait to die.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 21, 2020, 01:38:34 PM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?

Yeah, noone has doubted that?

Well, they were talking about the quarantine and herd immunity. We're not going to get herd immunity from flattening the curve. We're just going to sit in our toilet paper bunkers and wait to die.

Flattening the curve isn't designed to contain or stop the infection. It's only designed to not overload your medical capabilities in treating infected people.

If too many get sick at once, many people will die as they are unable to get treated properly. So they do these lock downs and when infections start dropping, they relax them. Infections rise again so lock it down again

When infections begin to rise again that should not be seen as a failure. It's the plan. Sure you could lock everything down and everyone up for 6-8 weeks and this could possibly be over. But so would society as you know it
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 21, 2020, 01:44:44 PM
Yeah, I said that a few days ago. The lockdowns are so we don't flood the hospitals, and they buy time. I really hope there is some good news about a treatment soon. The vaccine will take a long time, but maybe they will figure out a way to stop people from dying in the meantime.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 21, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
They seem to have discovered some treatment options so I think it won't be very long before people in a more serious condition are being treated as a matter of course rather than experimentally.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 21, 2020, 01:55:28 PM


I wish I hadn't watched this. lol

I spent the day outside in the garden, I didn't worry about the apocalypse, now I'm making up for it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 21, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?

Yeah, noone has doubted that?

Well, they were talking about the quarantine and herd immunity. We're not going to get herd immunity from flattening the curve. We're just going to sit in our toilet paper bunkers and wait to die.

The main goal is to not overload hospitals and their icus.

But of course, I'd hope that once about 2/3 got infected (over a longer period of time) the virus would vanish because of herd immunity. And hopefully those 1/3 that didn't get it would be the elderly/risk groups.

On the other hand, it's all really hard to predict. Might aswell be that the virus mutates a tiny bit, and we get a second wave.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 21, 2020, 04:19:59 PM
But of course, I'd hope that once about 2/3 got infected (over a longer period of time) the virus would vanish because of herd immunity. And hopefully those 1/3 that didn't get it would be the elderly/risk groups.
I doubt if the 2/3 is realistic. The "Herd Immunity Threshold" for Covid-19 is about 55%.
All that means is that once the total of those immune from vaccination or infection reaches 55% the rate of infection will level off.

So even at 2/3, I doubt it would die out - the rate of infection might fall back to a steady level.

But "flattening the curve" is vital, not only to avoid overload of medical facilities, but to allow more time for effective anti-virals and vaccines to be developed and tested.
Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish
On the other hand, it's all really hard to predict. Might aswell be that the virus mutates a tiny bit, and we get a second wave.
As with the 'Flu. Welcome to the "New World Order ;D".
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 21, 2020, 04:41:10 PM


I wish I hadn't watched this. lol

I spent the day outside in the garden, I didn't worry about the apocalypse, now I'm making up for it.

I hope you are planting food plants. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 21, 2020, 05:27:48 PM


I wish I hadn't watched this. lol

I spent the day outside in the garden, I didn't worry about the apocalypse, now I'm making up for it.

I hope you are planting food plants.

Of course. I've got four 80' long rows of lady and zipper peas, 5 or 6 squash plants, maybe 10 cucumber plants.  I started some peppers and okra seeds, but haven't got them in the ground yet. I did plant some sunflowers, and one little patch of bee balm. Hopefully I can get some tomato plants from the feed store next week.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 22, 2020, 12:00:05 AM
My brother is ill now :(
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 22, 2020, 12:06:56 AM
My brother is ill now :(
From Covid-19? I've read that even non-live threatening cases are terrible to live through.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 22, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
I doubt if the 2/3 is realistic. The "Herd Immunity Threshold" for Covid-19 is about 55%.
All that means is that once the total of those immune from vaccination or infection reaches 55% the rate of infection will level off.

So even at 2/3, I doubt it would die out - the rate of infection might fall back to a steady level.

But "flattening the curve" is vital, not only to avoid overload of medical facilities, but to allow more time for effective anti-virals and vaccines to be developed and tested.
I think you missunderstand the concept of herd immunity.
Herd immunity doesn't mean that the infection 'levels off' or gets to a balance or something.
Herd immunity means that R0<1. This means, that each sick person will infect fewer than one new person. Thus the disease will die out (reach 0 infected).
If there was a 'steady state' or something, that would mean that R0=1 and herd immunity is not reached.

[Just a technical detail: R0 can't change, because per definition R0 is the R value in a population that is not immune. But for the sake of argument and simplicity let's just assume that R0 is the current value of how many people get infected by one person with the virus]
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 22, 2020, 03:13:40 AM
I doubt if the 2/3 is realistic. The "Herd Immunity Threshold" for Covid-19 is about 55%.
All that means is that once the total of those immune from vaccination or infection reaches 55% the rate of infection will level off.

So even at 2/3, I doubt it would die out - the rate of infection might fall back to a steady level.

But "flattening the curve" is vital, not only to avoid overload of medical facilities, but to allow more time for effective anti-virals and vaccines to be developed and tested.
I think you missunderstand the concept of herd immunity.
Herd immunity doesn't mean that the infection 'levels off' or gets to a balance or something.
Herd immunity means that R<1. This means, that each sick person will infect fewer than one new person. Thus the disease will die out (reach 0 infected).
If there was a 'steady state' or something, that would mean that R=1 and herd immunity is not reached.
Firstly, just use "R = 1" as that reference does.

You were right with your 2/3 being enough over the HIT for the re-infection rate (R) to be 0.73 and the infected should die out.

At the "Herd Immunity Threshold" (about 55% for Covid-19) each sick person will infect one new person so R = 1.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 22, 2020, 03:28:30 AM
My brother is ill now :(
From Covid-19? I've read that even non-live threatening cases are terrible to live through.

No idea because no testing, high fever and tight chest though
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 22, 2020, 03:30:50 AM
My brother is ill now :(
From Covid-19? I've read that even non-live threatening cases are terrible to live through.

No idea because no testing, high fever and tight chest though
How old is he? Risk group?
If he is short of breath and/or gets blue lips, call a doctor (/ambulance). [<- that's unlikely to happen tho if he isn't in a risk group]
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 22, 2020, 03:38:22 AM
(https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-Transmission-graphic-01.gif)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 22, 2020, 03:52:33 AM
(https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-Transmission-graphic-01.gif)
Yes, that's the hope of current world-wide restrictions.
It won't halt the infection but it is hoped that it will "flatten the curve" enough to provide time for the development of drugs and vaccines.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 22, 2020, 04:10:11 AM
Ooo good graphic, shows it well

My brother is ill now :(
From Covid-19? I've read that even non-live threatening cases are terrible to live through.

No idea because no testing, high fever and tight chest though
How old is he? Risk group?
If he is short of breath and/or gets blue lips, call a doctor (/ambulance). [<- that's unlikely to happen tho if he isn't in a risk group]

30s with asthma and immune issues and on on steroid pills long term. My mum says his fever has gone down a bit now though so hopefully not going to get bad.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 22, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
I hope he just has a regular flu, which could still be bad but not so deadly. Last year in March I had a terrible illness that made it hard to breathe, took almost a month to get better. If I had that this year I would be panicking.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 22, 2020, 08:38:52 AM
My brother is ill now :(
From Covid-19? I've read that even non-live threatening cases are terrible to live through.
In most cases they're not, unless you are old. For young people it is usually similar to just having the flu, but there is a chance it gets much worse.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 22, 2020, 08:49:45 AM
Isn't the whole idea of "flattening the curve" to buy us time to get equipment, supplies, and possible treatments while we wait for a vaccine?

Yeah, noone has doubted that?

Well, they were talking about the quarantine and herd immunity. We're not going to get herd immunity from flattening the curve. We're just going to sit in our toilet paper bunkers and wait to die.

The main goal is to not overload hospitals and their icus.

But of course, I'd hope that once about 2/3 got infected (over a longer period of time) the virus would vanish because of herd immunity. And hopefully those 1/3 that didn't get it would be the elderly/risk groups.

On the other hand, it's all really hard to predict. Might aswell be that the virus mutates a tiny bit, and we get a second wave.
It's not gonna infect that many people. The swine flu didn't, and there were hardly any serious restrictive measures. The Spanish flu didn't, and it was 1918, with a similar r0, AND it had a round 2. They all stopped at around 20-25%. It seems like it's gonna dip a bit during the summer and then there will probably be a vaccine. It's not the end of the world but for some countries, like Italy, it's gonna be really tough.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 22, 2020, 08:56:40 AM
Need to read


https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/the-mistakes-that-shaped-covid-19-strategy-20200321-p54cjx

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"In the last week, media has been full of anguished surprise at the younger age groups appearing in hospital admission centres.

As of Friday, 56 per cent of confirmed cases in New York were under the age of 50. Earlier, a French study reported half of the COVID-19 cases in intensive care units were under 50, while Los Angeles was reporting the median age of those infected was 47.

In Australia, a rough estimate puts the average age of those infected at around 46. In Italy, by comparison, 74 per cent of cases are over 50....

...But the Chinese study had one major flaw. It was based on cases up to February 11. And 12,000 of the cases, or 27 per cent of the total, were only diagnosed after February 1.
No time to die


To put it bluntly, these cases hadn’t had time to die.

Deaths from COVID-19 come in two waves, says Aylward, as lung function failed, and the level of oxygen in the blood fell.

“A lot of those people who are dying are going to be people with co-morbid conditions, and they are rapidly desaturating – oxygen desaturation – they’re just getting tipped over the edge with a bit of disease,” says Aylward.

This is before Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) kicks in.

“But the deaths from the coronavirus lung processes – and that is the ARDS-like processes that they get, these people take somewhere between two and four weeks to get the full-blown disease sometimes. And to die. They can take quite a long time.”

That’s why Aylward is worried about the death rate in Italy, which has reported 53,578 cases and 4825 deaths, a Case Fatality Rate of 9 per cent. If you compare today’s total deaths with case numbers for seven days before, the CFR jumps to a horrifying 23 per cent.

The important thing then will be to watch not the overall percentage change, but the growth in the local and unidentified cases.

China is not reporting any new cases in Hubei province, but the deaths continue, as patients who are healthier and younger lose their long battles with the virus.

This has pushed China’s death rate from the 2.3 per cent cited in the study to 4 per cent today. Outside of Hubei province, the death rate has more than doubled to 0.9 per cent.

The problem isn’t just that the death rate is almost double what the study found. What’s not clear is how that affects deaths rates for different ages: how many younger patients are dying?"

Annoyingly the article doesn't actually answer that last question, though that may be because it is unknown at this point.

The article also explains that Boris' mitigation strategy was based on the early Chinese statistics, not the latest ones or the Italian ones about mortality and hospitalisation rates. The new Imperial College study is based on the newer statistics.

In essence it is not that the disease is relatively harmless to young people, it's just that being younger and healthier they take longer to die and the early statistics released by China didn't take that into account, on account of being early.

Keep in mind some of those that needed hospitalization and recover may end up with permanent lung damage from pulmonary fibrosis

This shit is nasty. Don't roll the dice
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 22, 2020, 09:14:06 AM
Pez is spouting fake news.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 22, 2020, 09:50:16 AM
I heared from many young people that got terribly ill.
Sure, usually ther survive, but many feel like shit for 2 weeks and not a small part needs to go to the hospital.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 22, 2020, 10:34:01 AM
Need to read


https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/the-mistakes-that-shaped-covid-19-strategy-20200321-p54cjx

Quote
"In the last week, media has been full of anguished surprise at the younger age groups appearing in hospital admission centres.

As of Friday, 56 per cent of confirmed cases in New York were under the age of 50. Earlier, a French study reported half of the COVID-19 cases in intensive care units were under 50, while Los Angeles was reporting the median age of those infected was 47.

In Australia, a rough estimate puts the average age of those infected at around 46. In Italy, by comparison, 74 per cent of cases are over 50....

...But the Chinese study had one major flaw. It was based on cases up to February 11. And 12,000 of the cases, or 27 per cent of the total, were only diagnosed after February 1.
No time to die


To put it bluntly, these cases hadn’t had time to die.

Deaths from COVID-19 come in two waves, says Aylward, as lung function failed, and the level of oxygen in the blood fell.

“A lot of those people who are dying are going to be people with co-morbid conditions, and they are rapidly desaturating – oxygen desaturation – they’re just getting tipped over the edge with a bit of disease,” says Aylward.

This is before Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) kicks in.

“But the deaths from the coronavirus lung processes – and that is the ARDS-like processes that they get, these people take somewhere between two and four weeks to get the full-blown disease sometimes. And to die. They can take quite a long time.”

That’s why Aylward is worried about the death rate in Italy, which has reported 53,578 cases and 4825 deaths, a Case Fatality Rate of 9 per cent. If you compare today’s total deaths with case numbers for seven days before, the CFR jumps to a horrifying 23 per cent.

The important thing then will be to watch not the overall percentage change, but the growth in the local and unidentified cases.

China is not reporting any new cases in Hubei province, but the deaths continue, as patients who are healthier and younger lose their long battles with the virus.

This has pushed China’s death rate from the 2.3 per cent cited in the study to 4 per cent today. Outside of Hubei province, the death rate has more than doubled to 0.9 per cent.

The problem isn’t just that the death rate is almost double what the study found. What’s not clear is how that affects deaths rates for different ages: how many younger patients are dying?"

Annoyingly the article doesn't actually answer that last question, though that may be because it is unknown at this point.

The article also explains that Boris' mitigation strategy was based on the early Chinese statistics, not the latest ones or the Italian ones about mortality and hospitalisation rates. The new Imperial College study is based on the newer statistics.

In essence it is not that the disease is relatively harmless to young people, it's just that being younger and healthier they take longer to die and the early statistics released by China didn't take that into account, on account of being early.

Keep in mind some of those that needed hospitalization and recover may end up with permanent lung damage from pulmonary fibrosis

This shit is nasty. Don't roll the dice

We need more data.  The two biggest sources are China and the US.  China lies and in America we have Trump.  So we're kind of flying blind here.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 22, 2020, 12:28:02 PM
Senator Rand Paul tests positive.

It's like they think this couldn't touch them for some reason.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 22, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
Senator Rand Paul tests positive.

It's like they think this couldn't touch them for some reason.

And while waiting for the test results he figured he'd hang out with some of the boys including Mitt Romney

And the guy calls himself a physician. FFS

America will make Italy look like it only had a bad cough
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 22, 2020, 12:59:43 PM
Senator Rand Paul tests positive.

It's like they think this couldn't touch them for some reason.

And while waiting for the test results he figured he'd hang out with some of the boys including Mitt Romney

And the guy calls himself a physician. FFS

America will make Italy look like it only had a bad cough

We are gunning for #1

Maga!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 22, 2020, 04:24:35 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/22/hospitals-will-run-out-of-beds-by-late-april-if-gov-abbott-doesnt-order-texans-to-stay-at-home-hospital-group-warns/

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Dallas-area hospitals are pressuring Gov. Greg Abbott to order residents to stay at home and warning a surge of patients sick with the new coronavirus could deplete their bed capacity by late April, according to an email from a Dallas-area hospital association obtained by The Dallas Morning News.

Abbott, noting the outbreak is concentrated in the state’s urban centers, indicated Sunday he wanted to take other steps first before imposing stricter standards statewide that would impact rural areas still unaffected by the virus.

The chilling warning, based on one projection the association included in the email sent Saturday, illustrates how quickly Texas hospitals could be overrun by the spread of the new coronavirus and the disease it causes, COVID-19.

“We need your help,” Steve Love, President and CEO of the Dallas-Fort Worth Hospital Council wrote in an email Saturday urging his members to pressure the governor to impose a shelter in place order. “Thank you for your immediate action as we want the governor to take this urgent action statewide rather than individual counties or cities.”

Love’s email, coupled with additional letters sent this weekend from mayors, health care executives, school leaders and business owners in the Dallas area, represents the latest effort to pressure the governor for stricter restrictions to combat the virus’s spread.

As of Sunday, there have been nearly 600 positive cases of COVID-19 in Texas, based on The News’ database of reported cases.

Abbott said Sunday, however, he needs to measure the effectiveness of his recent executive order that temporarily closed schools and banned large crowds, before enacting stricter steps.

There's more in the link.

STAY SAFE, BHS.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 22, 2020, 06:21:07 PM
Harvey Weinstein has tested positive.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 22, 2020, 07:11:26 PM
Harvey Weinstein has tested positive.
Do I ;D or :'(?
Or just comment that "It couldn't happen to a more deserving creep!"
Now isolate Harvey Weinstein in a wooden casket so he can't contaminate others more than he already has.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 22, 2020, 07:22:34 PM
Well, he is being isolated in prison. I just hope they have the supplies to deal with it properly and it doesn't spread to all the guards and inmates.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 22, 2020, 07:27:04 PM
Harvey Weinstein has tested positive.

Amazing how far someone will go to solicit sympathy....
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 22, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
So Rand Paul is not aware of coming in contact with anyone that has tested positive.

So how did he get infected?  Is there someone who is asymptomatic in the senate circles? 



Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 22, 2020, 07:50:04 PM
Looks like Angela Merkel might have gotten it from her doctor:
https://www.businessinsider.com/angela-merkel-coronavirus-quarantine-after-doctor-tested-positive-2020-3
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 23, 2020, 06:41:31 AM
Memo at work came out. We qualify under the critical infrastructure. We will be working under in shelter in place orders. Sucks but at least I can count on being paid.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 23, 2020, 06:49:42 AM
So Rand Paul is not aware of coming in contact with anyone that has tested positive.

The fact is the great majority of us will never be tested, so it doesn't mean that much.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 23, 2020, 07:55:09 AM
I have a very mild, dry cough since yesterday. Perhaps I got the coronavirus  ??? :o
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 23, 2020, 07:58:04 AM
Fever?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 23, 2020, 07:59:17 AM
Fever?
No.

I think it's just a cold  ;D

But you never know, I'd be young enough to have a chance of only having mild symptoms (or it could get worse).
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 08:44:44 AM
Amy Klobuchar's husband has tested positive.  So she most likely has it.  That's 6 senators who are unable to vote based on our antiquated rules.

Rep Ben McAdams tested positive.  It was bad enough that he had to go to the hospital.  He's 45 years old.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 23, 2020, 08:51:11 AM
Rep Ben McAdams tested positive.  It was bad enough that he had to go to the hospital.  He's 45 years old.

Many - even of the younger people - have to go to the hospital. Fortunately tho, they usually survive it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 10:19:10 AM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self quarantine just to be safe?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 23, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self quarantine just to be safe?
Me?
Yeah, it's not like I have anything else to do except for staying home.
Pretty sure tho it's just a mild cough.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
Yes you. You have to let us know that you are okay.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 01:16:28 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

RCP now has a leaderboard setup for the Coronavirus.

Go USA!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 23, 2020, 01:58:32 PM

Concisely, Crouts what is RCP? I went there but it seems to be an alternative reality project.

We've just had Boris on the TV, no gatherings of more than two, everything closed apart from food shops.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 23, 2020, 02:06:45 PM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self-quarantine just to be safe?
Yes, ma'am:
1) I think I'm still here.
2) We (my wife and I) are self-quarantining at least a far as reasonably possible.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 23, 2020, 02:09:39 PM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self quarantine just to be safe?
Me?
Yeah, it's not like I have anything else to do except for staying home.
Pretty sure tho it's just a mild cough.
Dry cough?  You might still have it.  Plenty of people don't even get a fever.  You might not need to worry for yourself, but you should stay away from others.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 03:07:31 PM

Concisely, Crouts what is RCP? I went there but it seems to be an alternative reality project.

We've just had Boris on the TV, no gatherings of more than two, everything closed apart from food shops.

RealClearPolitics.  It's a website that tracks polling, elections etc.  It's just struck me as odd to have something like tracking an epidemic there.  It would be like ESPN covering it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 03:21:32 PM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self-quarantine just to be safe?
Yes, ma'am:
1) I think I'm still here.
2) We (my wife and I) are self-quarantining at least a far as reasonably possible.

That's the spirit! I hope you have all the supplies you need. People have lost their minds.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 23, 2020, 03:28:16 PM

Concisely, Crouts what is RCP? I went there but it seems to be an alternative reality project.

We've just had Boris on the TV, no gatherings of more than two, everything closed apart from food shops.

RealClearPolitics.  It's a website that tracks polling, elections etc.  It's just struck me as odd to have something like tracking an epidemic there.  It would be like ESPN covering it.

I think he was referring to the fact that RCP exists in an alternative reality,  just after you pass Trump Trailer Park and before you get to the Infowars amusement arcade.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 23, 2020, 03:31:31 PM
You have to check in with us every day now. That is an order. Also, are you going to self-quarantine just to be safe?
Yes, ma'am:
1) I think I'm still here.
2) We (my wife and I) are self-quarantining at least a far as reasonably possible.

That's the spirit! I hope you have all the supplies you need. People have lost their minds.

People around here aren't generally wearing face masks,  my stupid friend went shopping wearing a face mask and people started running away..   strange,  I would have thought wearing a face mask would make others safer,  not cause panic.   People are funny.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 03:33:56 PM
I haven't seen any face masks here either, but I live out in BFE.

I would really like to have a dust mask to mow the yard, but you can't even find them anywhere.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 23, 2020, 03:54:44 PM

Concisely, Crouts what is RCP? I went there but it seems to be an alternative reality project.

We've just had Boris on the TV, no gatherings of more than two, everything closed apart from food shops.

RealClearPolitics.  It's a website that tracks polling, elections etc.  It's just struck me as odd to have something like tracking an epidemic there.  It would be like ESPN covering it.

I think he was referring to the fact that RCP exists in an alternative reality,  just after you pass Trump Trailer Park and before you get to the Infowars amusement arcade.

This!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 23, 2020, 04:16:17 PM
I haven't seen any face masks here either, but I live out in BFE.

I would really like to have a dust mask to mow the yard, but you can't even find them anywhere.
From what I hear, for the general public, face masks don't do much other than remind you not to touch your face (which people who aren't used to wearing face masks are more likely to do anyway).  If you're out and about, you don't really need a mask unless you're infected, in which case you shouldn't be out anyway. 

If you insist on a mask, there are DIY options available.  Just don't count on them to keep you safe.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/23/homemade-coronavirus-masks-do-they-actually-block-spread/2899622001/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 04:19:47 PM
I want one to keep me safe from the dust.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 23, 2020, 04:33:05 PM
Then a well fitting DIY mask should work fine.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
I'll probably just mow without a mask like I usually do, or tie a bandana over my face. LIKE A BURGLAR.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 04:41:46 PM
(https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FEQ/5LE2/IUEU3DKQ/FEQ5LE2IUEU3DKQ.jpg)

You can also use a t shirt and pretend to be a ninja.

It's easier with a long sleeve shirt.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 23, 2020, 04:57:04 PM
Or a stocking like a burglar.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
Nobody wears stockings anymore.  You'd have to settle for panties over your head.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
Oh, I think I'll choose to be a ninja.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 23, 2020, 10:33:59 PM
South Africa is going for full and complete lock down on Friday for 21 days.
Military has been dispatched.
Country is aiming to stop this thing before it spreads any further.
We are going the Wuhan route. Social distancing is not enough.
I think its well understood that our health care infrastructure can not support any amount of infections.

As it stands, we have zero deaths and 400 infected.
Hopefully we can stop it completely.
Hopefully I can survive for 21 days in the house with my wife AND sister in law

I just dont know what happens after the 21 days
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 23, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
Best of luck.  Hopefully it pays off.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 24, 2020, 01:23:24 AM
South Africa is going for full and complete lock down on Friday for 21 days.
Military has been dispatched.
Country is aiming to stop this thing before it spreads any further.
We are going the Wuhan route. Social distancing is not enough.
I think its well understood that our health care infrastructure can not support any amount of infections.

As it stands, we have zero deaths and 400 infected.
Hopefully we can stop it completely.
Hopefully I can survive for 21 days in the house with my wife AND sister in law

I just dont know what happens after the 21 days

Wow.

You know that something is topsy turvey in the world when a country not exactly known for its benevolence or integrity actually demonstrates real leadership over a country you would think would have a handle on things. Australia's response has been woeful. Our communications are all contradictory and all over the place. Everyone is confused. The government doesn't even seem to have a plan.

Believe me, your short term pain will lead to long term pay off. You dont want a wishy-washy, caviler, half arsed response like that in Australia
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 24, 2020, 02:11:15 AM
Nobody wears stockings anymore.  You'd have to settle for panties over your head.
These guys are loving it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/pQbXsgPWAuDdTVYmVxBarX3KBCmLChj-slk8kNuj6y_NYLBfr5fflsqmXaRaIOXtRf_ds7h09auh3TdVDOG4Q3j95t-2oc6d6nDm4KkW9LQ068XqGFfymqHxWJh-r00BHIZr6iyIjiHjHDHBWjH9Ow)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 24, 2020, 03:54:05 AM
South Africa is going for full and complete lock down on Friday for 21 days.
Military has been dispatched.
Country is aiming to stop this thing before it spreads any further.
We are going the Wuhan route. Social distancing is not enough.
I think its well understood that our health care infrastructure can not support any amount of infections.

As it stands, we have zero deaths and 400 infected.
Hopefully we can stop it completely.
Hopefully I can survive for 21 days in the house with my wife AND sister in law

I just dont know what happens after the 21 days

Good luck.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 24, 2020, 08:51:14 AM
Wow.

You know that something is topsy turvey in the world when a country not exactly known for its benevolence or integrity actually demonstrates real leadership over a country you would think would have a handle on things. Australia's response has been woeful. Our communications are all contradictory and all over the place. Everyone is confused. The government doesn't even seem to have a plan.

Believe me, your short term pain will lead to long term pay off. You dont want a wishy-washy, caviler, half arsed response like that in Australia
We are all impressed.
Our government has messed up a lot, but our New president seems to have his shit together.

But lets hope they have a plan after 21 days is up, because the rest of the world will def still have Covid 19, and we can get re-infected.
My hopes are that this is a period of planning, and not crisis management.
If it is, we will get out of this better than most.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2020, 12:05:46 PM
I just reread the first 5 or 6 pages of this thread. It's interesting to see how our opinions and fears changed over the course of a month.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2020, 12:19:58 PM
Yeah.  I have to admit that I thought more like Trump before I absorbed all the information.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 24, 2020, 12:22:43 PM
Yeah.  I have to admit that I thought more like Trump before I absorbed all the information.

Did you think it was a democratic hoax? A ploy to get him impeached?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 24, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
I just reread the first 5 or 6 pages of this thread. It's interesting to see how our opinions and fears changed over the course of a month.
It's easy to sound cavalier when it's someone else's problem.  But attitudes definitely change as it gets closer to home.  As of this morning, there are 3 confirmed cases in my county and a nearby county had their fist death.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 24, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Trump is the 21st century Hitler

His plan to let the virus run unchecked is perhaps a 'survival of the fittest'. Get rid of the old and unhealthy

One of the Nazi's rationalisation for murdering people in extermination camps. Boost the economy with a convenient source of expendable labour.

For Trump, the Neo-libs and the fascists who support the idea of letting it run unchecked, the virus works in the same way as gas chambers but doesn't need allocation of infrastructure like railways, camps and guards. They just plan on using the existing medical staff and hospitals, then cart the dead off to mass graves.

While they are planing this mass murder they have also been preparing for the backlash, the Department of Justice is quietly slipping laws through to round up people and detain them without trial.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

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The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the United States.

If Trump goes through with this plan, he will go down in history as a mass murdering despot. And yet, he will probably win the next election because the public wont want to change leaders in the middle of a crisis. You get the government you deserve I guess?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 24, 2020, 01:10:28 PM
Trump is the 21st century Hitler
Godwin's Law has been activated.
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Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Yeah.  I have to admit that I thought more like Trump before I absorbed all the information.

Did you think it was a democratic hoax? A ploy to get him impeached?

Nothing like that.  But based on the information I thought it was basically another flu by a different name but less lethal.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
The only reason I thought it might be more serious is because I am addicted to Chinese youtube. There were about 4 videos I watched back in February that made me worry. In a couple of them the people were trapped in their mountain villages because the govt blocked the roads with rubble.  One of the women I follow is married to a doctor, he was wearing two fucking face masks!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2020, 01:30:16 PM
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/absorb-these-words

Quote
“Usually we’ll have 50 governors that will call it the same time. I think we are doing very well. But it’s a two-way street. They have to treat us well, also. They can’t say, “Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that.” We’re doing a great job. Like in New York where we’re building, as I said, four hospitals, four medical centers. We’re literally building hospitals and medical centers. And then I hear that there’s a problem with ventilators. Well we sent them ventilators. And they could have had 15,000 or 16,000 – all they had to do was order them two years ago. But they decided not to do it. They can’t blame us for that.”


Why would they have ordered 16,000 ventilators two years ago?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Could Trump be funding time travel research?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 24, 2020, 03:59:04 PM
1st off we are all in the same shit at the moment. The differences are each country appears to be taking a different route to get out of the shit.
Here in the UK we got off to a pretty bad start with our leader, Boris deciding we should take it on the chin and just walk right in. Advice from epidemiologists, those that actually know about the shit, eventually got through and we are now on lockdown heading off in a way that will mirror Italy which is not good, but that’s where we are. Spain on the other hand is going stratospheric with its numbers which is really not good. While we in the UK have been making an arse of it it’s the USA that is the major worry. Having Trump at the helm is looking like it will cost thousands of lives. More than 46,000 people in the US have been diagnosed with Covid-19, tip of the iceberg apparently, and nearly 600 have died. On Monday, for the first time, more than 100 people in the US died in a single day. The sharp acceleration in cases – just two weeks ago the official number was less than 2,000 – has led to the WHO warning that the US is overtaking countries such as Italy and Spain as the global hotspot for the virus. Muddled messaging from the White House, where Trump has often contradicted the sombre warnings of his top infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, has done little to Americans stop congregating on beaches or in shopping malls. This is what happens when people ignore scientists and put their trust in a fool who thinks wallowing in the shit while ignoring it might be a good plan. I wonder where we will be two weeks from now?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 24, 2020, 04:09:25 PM
Trump is the 21st century Hitler

His plan to let the virus run unchecked is perhaps a 'survival of the fittest'. Get rid of the old and unhealthy

One of the Nazi's rationalisation for murdering people in extermination camps. Boost the economy with a convenient source of expendable labour.

For Trump, the Neo-libs and the fascists who support the idea of letting it run unchecked, the virus works in the same way as gas chambers but doesn't need allocation of infrastructure like railways, camps and guards. They just plan on using the existing medical staff and hospitals, then cart the dead off to mass graves.

While they are planing this mass murder they have also been preparing for the backlash, the Department of Justice is quietly slipping laws through to round up people and detain them without trial.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

Quote
The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the United States.

If Trump goes through with this plan, he will go down in history as a mass murdering despot. And yet, he will probably win the next election because the public wont want to change leaders in the middle of a crisis. You get the government you deserve I guess?

Nah, Trump isn't Hitler. 
Trump is a Narcassist.  Hitler was a nationalist.  Trump will do what gets him votes and cheers.  Letting people die does neither.  Letting the economy tank would cost him the presidency and make him "A loser".  So he has to find a way to keep the economy from crashing while making people not die.  Lying is about all he has so he does.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 24, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
@Timeisup: America will be #1, we will always be #1! MAGA!

On a more serious note, I find Dr. Fauci to be a much needed voice of reason during a time where we have far too few voices like his to guide us through this mess. And for that reason, I'm concerned his voice may get silenced too soon, which would be a shame and also would potentially put many more lives at risk unnecessarily.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 24, 2020, 05:10:51 PM
Could this be the real reason that Trump wants to get everyone out of quarantine so soon?
Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/before-trump-called-for-reevaluating-lockdowns-they-shuttered-six-of-his-top-earning-clubs-and-resorts/2020/03/23/88780374-6d38-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html
President Trump’s private business has shut down six of its top seven revenue-producing clubs and hotels because of restrictions meant to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, potentially depriving Trump’s company of millions of dollars in revenue.

Those closures come as Trump is considering easing restrictions on movement sooner than federal public health experts recommend, in the name of reducing the virus’s economic damage.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2020, 05:19:19 PM
The real reason isn't difficult to discern.  If people aren't out spending money then the economy tanks.  Trump is obsessed with the stock market as the sole metric of a good economy so he wants that number up.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 25, 2020, 12:49:25 AM
How many people are dying in the usa per day on average (wwithout coronavirus)?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 25, 2020, 01:04:44 AM
How many people are dying in the usa per day on average (wwithout coronavirus)?

109.  In 2017.

According to this: https://www.statesman.com/news/20190617/fact-check-how-many-gun-deaths-are-there-per-day-in-united-states?template=ampart

But the cdc data doesn't match:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Which is 7,708.
Corona killed 225 people yesterday.
So ... Alot.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 25, 2020, 01:51:32 AM




I like data
So here is what the current Global projection of Corona deaths is per day compared to everything else for the next month.


(https://i.imgur.com/0hJeNA0.png)


That is if things dont change VERY quickly, Corona will be the number 1 cause of death, and still increasing.


Everyone who understood math, understood this possibility from the start, that is why some people freaked out early.


As of posting this, Corona killed more people in a day than
 - Malaria 2000 ave per year
 - Drowning 890 ave per year
- Drug overdose 465 ave per year
 - Flu (high estimate) 1780 ave per year

By the end of the Month I project it will overtake
 - TB 3050 ave per year
 - Aids 3270 ave per year
 - Road deaths 3700 ave per year
 - Diabetes 4120 ave per year


Just food for thought







Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 25, 2020, 01:58:40 AM
How many people are dying in the usa per day on average (wwithout coronavirus)?

109.  In 2017.

According to this: https://www.statesman.com/news/20190617/fact-check-how-many-gun-deaths-are-there-per-day-in-united-states?template=ampart

But the cdc data doesn't match:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Which is 7,708.
Corona killed 225 people yesterday.
So ... Alot.
109 is way too low. Going by how many people live in the us and the life expectancy, a number around 11 000/day would be expected. Considering how the age-pyramid looks, 7700 makes sense.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2020, 02:01:52 AM
How many people are dying in the usa per day on average (wwithout coronavirus)?

109.  In 2017.

According to this: https://www.statesman.com/news/20190617/fact-check-how-many-gun-deaths-are-there-per-day-in-united-states?template=ampart

But the cdc data doesn't match:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Which is 7,708.
Corona killed 225 people yesterday.
So ... Alot.
109 is way too low. Going by how many people live in the us and the life expectancy, a number around 11 000/day would be expected. Considering how the age-pyramid looks, 7700 makes sense.

109 is just the number killed by guns only
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 25, 2020, 02:49:00 AM




I like data
So here is what the current Global projection of Corona deaths is per day compared to everything else for the next month.


(https://i.imgur.com/0hJeNA0.png)


That is if things dont change VERY quickly, Corona will be the number 1 cause of death, and still increasing.


Everyone who understood math, understood this possibility from the start, that is why some people freaked out early.


As of posting this, Corona killed more people in a day than
 - Malaria 2000 ave per year
 - Drowning 890 ave per year
- Drug overdose 465 ave per year
 - Flu (high estimate) 1780 ave per year

By the end of the Month I project it will overtake
 - TB 3050 ave per year
 - Aids 3270 ave per year
 - Road deaths 3700 ave per year
 - Diabetes 4120 ave per year


Just food for thought

In this situation data and the methodologies used to interoperate it is vital. That’s why in this situation Epidemiologists and their skills and knowhow are key. What really pisses me off are the anti-science brigade who from day 1 ignored the warnings when the shit first hit the fan in China. Look back and read all the things Anti science Trump said. Seeing how Anti science Trump has operated since day 1 on coming to office and how he is operating now it should really come as no surprise. He ignored then got rid of any science advisor who mentioned global warming/climate change, which is still a major issue and grows so month by month. The way in which he is operating now I have to say mirrors much of how flat earth  believers operate by ignoring the science and choosing to believe what ever they feel like irrespective of the science. This to my mind has always been the problem with flat earth believers and their anti-science approach. It’s all very well choosing to go out on a limb and pretend you’re being a bit radical and not behaving like the ‘sheep’ who will swallow anything they are told when there is nothing at stake. We are now in a situation where there is much at stake. We have no option but to believe in the science, there is no room for flat earth anti science bullshit thinking. While, as I have said we made an arse of it here in the Uk early on by not listening to the science, the US is continuing to operate using a flat earth mode of thinking. In a country with no universal free health service with millions without insurance all with an anti science leader at the helm, this is the makings for a perfect storm. Italy that has a 1st class health service was overwhelmed, it does not take a great brain to come to the conclusion that the USA is well and truly fucked. If you don’t believe go look at the data.
This is not the time for flat earth thinking as there is too much at stake.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 25, 2020, 03:03:17 AM
If you have a moment go read some of the earlier comments on this discussion. It gives a good insight how some people on this forum think, and how the hard facts of reality dawned on some I exclude Wise from this as it’s obvious that thinking is not something he actually does.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 25, 2020, 03:12:03 AM
Someone should give this to Trump to read along with the other anti-science brigade
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2020, 03:22:31 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2020, 03:29:03 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.

3 million dead and how many left with permanent lung damage too. Despite that preventable atrocity somehow Americans will come out in their millions to vote Trump another term.

MAGA!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2020, 03:38:31 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.

3 million dead and how many left with permanent lung damage too. Despite that preventable atrocity somehow Americans will come out in their millions to vote Trump another term.

MAGA!

The math he uses is pretty interesting.  According to it if we had a perfect quarantine then we'd have deaths down to 70,000.  I'm really not sure how to gauge how effective we've been at isolating people though.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 25, 2020, 04:30:47 AM
Thing is, if we don't get an infection reate of like 60-70% or so, there will be a second wave once the quarantine ends (unless we find a vaccine, or we can contain the virus which is unlikely)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2020, 04:39:21 AM
Everyone should simply act as if they have the virus. Stay indoors, only venturing out if absolutely necessary for like shops or work, practice good hygiene, use PPE if available.

Given the amount of panic buying we have all witnessed you should expect the bulk of the community has no 'need' for shopping much over the next few weeks or some even months anyway. With the amount of people now unemployed they could be redirected to grocery home delivery as well for those that absolutely must continue to drink milk and consume other perishables.

Australia has mishandled this badly. Given our leader is an inept loser judging by how he handled our bushfires no one is really surprised. We all envy the New Zealand Prime Minister who has displayed far better leadership qualities. They will be going into an extreme lock down and told to act like they all are infected. I think I'll listen to her and not our PM. All of Australia should do the same

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 25, 2020, 04:39:48 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.

Not sure of his background but his analysis is supported pretty much by what Imperial College in London has been saying, which in a nutshell, do nothing and the virus will run out of control. Impose a strict lockdown to limit transmission the virus has nowhere to go and rates fall. It's a bit of a no-brainer. That's why Trump and his anti-science views are going to lead the USA to disaster as his anti-science stance cant accept it. This is what he said just a few hours ago. The man is totally mad.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/25/trump-says-he-hopes-to-win-coronavirus-battle-by-easter-video
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 25, 2020, 05:19:35 AM
For actual scientific information (symptoms, treatment etc) pls visit this thread:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=85245.0
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 25, 2020, 05:31:47 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.

Not sure of his background but his analysis is supported pretty much by what Imperial College in London has been saying, which in a nutshell, do nothing and the virus will run out of control. Impose a strict lockdown to limit transmission the virus has nowhere to go and rates fall. It's a bit of a no-brainer. That's why Trump and his anti-science views are going to lead the USA to disaster as his anti-science stance cant accept it. This is what he said just a few hours ago. The man is totally mad.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/25/trump-says-he-hopes-to-win-coronavirus-battle-by-easter-video

While it is true that "do nothing and the virus will run out of control" this is one occasion when I'd disagree with Thunderfoot's numbers.

There might be some disagreement, epidemiologists generally agree that a Covid-19 pandemic would settle down with 60% (1 - 1/R0) having immunity from Covid-19 infection or vaccination. (R0 is average number of new infections from each infected person).

For Covid-19 R0 seems to be about 2.5 (from THE MATHS AND ETHICS OF MINIMISING COVID-19 DEATHS (https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths)).

See also: MIT: What is herd immunity and can it stop the coronavirus? (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615375/what-is-herd-immunity-and-can-it-stop-the-coronavirus/) or How does the coronavirus outbreak end? (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine).

But with either Thunderfoot's 100% or the more realistic 60%, the mortality rate is frightening.

Isolation will slow down the growth and if continued long enough could, in principle, cause the infection to die out but Trumps 3-weeks is fairy-tale stuff.
Even imperfect isolation can give time for treatments, cures and finally vaccinations to be developed, though may need to last 6 to 12 months.

I hope I'm wrong and things turn out better than that!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 25, 2020, 05:32:26 AM


What the fuck? Where did you find all these ghouls?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 25, 2020, 05:50:21 AM


What the fuck? Where did you find all these ghouls?
Unfortunately he is not eligible for the Darwin awards, he already has kids.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 25, 2020, 05:57:44 AM


What the fuck? Where did you find all these ghouls?
Unfortunately he is not eligible for the Darwin awards, he already has kids.
Come on! First things first :o!
Trump's more concerned with getting re-elected than with a few hundred thousand death of ordinary unimportant Americans.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 25, 2020, 05:59:16 AM
Paragraphs are your friend.



Here is a video from the nerd Thunderfoot who has crunched the data with some interesting results.

The good news is that with how badly we're botching our response it's might be over in a month.

The bad news is that about 3 million of us are going to die in the process.

His conclusion isn't off by too much but he should have used the logistic function instead of the exponential function. Growth rates of diseases are dependent on how many contacts with healthy individuals the sick individuals come into contact with, which depends on the percentage of the population that is still healthy, so and the solution of that equation is the logistic curve. It looks like an exponential curve early on but after it hits a significant percentage of the population the rate slows down and it drags on for longer.

There are also other factors, for example you can consider that dead or recovered people can't transmit the disease, so you factor in that stuff too but the equation will get more complex and the solution will be muddled. I can do it on Matlab but I think there are epidemic calculators which take a bunch of factors into account online.

Bottom line is, it's gonna be longer than that.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 25, 2020, 06:41:30 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242777450662244352?s=20
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This is really great news! I am so happy I can barely speak. He may have been a terrible presidential candidate and an even worse U.S. Senator, but he is a RINO, and I like him a lot!

Does he like him a lot because he is a RINO?

(Mitt Romney is winning by a landslide and does not have coronavirus)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 25, 2020, 09:28:13 AM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 25, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
This is insane. Why is this happening?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
This is insane. Why is this happening?

Because a strong economy is the only reason for people who don't follow politics to reelect Trump.

They are laying down their lives to save their orange god, like some kind of reverse Jesus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2020, 10:16:02 AM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
This is insane. Why is this happening?

Because a strong economy is the only reason for people who don't follow politics to reelect Trump.

They are laying down their lives to save their orange god, like some kind of reverse Jesus.

Trump forgets that it's these plebs that listen to him that will be the one to be taken out by the virus
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2020, 03:54:44 PM
Prince Charles now has the Coronavirus.

Great.  Now everybody in America is going to want to get it.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 25, 2020, 04:43:34 PM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
This is insane. Why is this happening?

Because a strong economy is the only reason for people who don't follow politics to reelect Trump.

They are laying down their lives to save their orange god, like some kind of reverse Jesus.
Yeah but, like, I am genuinely surprised at the response by the Anglosphere countries. Like, Boris Johnson seems to have somewhat come around and is discussing a lock down after all that time, but it's very surprising to see the takes some of these people have. Like, even the most ghoulish right wingers here have never tried to suggest we should just sacrifice the elderly to the economy or whatever. No one has dared to say something like this in public. Other countries in the Balkans and Europe are taking this seriously too, especially after Italy. It's extremely confusing to see the response in Australia, UK and US.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 25, 2020, 04:43:58 PM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!
This is insane. Why is this happening?

You seriously don't know?    Where have you been the last 3 years?

Out in the wild open spaces of Montana and Wyoming there are armed bands of right wing extremist massing for an all out assault on those commie loving liberals in California and New York.

My point is:  ( since you are going to ask ) There are more loopy right wing nutters in the USA than you think.  Just wait till Q gets wind of this Corona whatchmacallit.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 25, 2020, 04:50:41 PM
As long as the virus stays in the librul cities the Trumptards are okay with it. Once it starts killing their grandparents they will find a way to blame Obama.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 25, 2020, 05:33:09 PM
Conservatives trying to convince people to voluntarily contract the virus. https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/  Let them do it first, imo!

Quote
People who are immune cannot pass on the disease to others.
This is where I stopped reading.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 25, 2020, 10:32:43 PM
Quote
People who are immune cannot pass on the disease to others.
You know, after some of them die or cant properly breathe ever again.

And its still not known how long immunity lasts for. It may be seasonal.
2% chance of killing you every year is a possibility.

Serious question for you Americans though.

These right wingers, are they not a super small minority that just attract a lot of media attention?
Cause the media loves a good story, and some red neck that wants to shoot anyone who will stop him from getting the Corona makes more a good story.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
An immune person can still pass on the virus. As they are a giant surface area.

Say you catch a packed bus and are coughed all over by infected people. Then you go home to hug your old man who is 100 years old with emphazema.....
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2020, 10:56:26 PM
Quote
People who are immune cannot pass on the disease to others.
You know, after some of them die or cant properly breathe ever again.

And its still not known how long immunity lasts for. It may be seasonal.
2% chance of killing you every year is a possibility.

Serious question for you Americans though.

These right wingers, are they not a super small minority that just attract a lot of media attention?
Cause the media loves a good story, and some red neck that wants to shoot anyone who will stop him from getting the Corona makes more a good story.

To put your mind at ease, yes they're a fringe group.  Most of the republican aligned voters that I know are good people who would give you the shirt off their back.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 25, 2020, 11:29:11 PM
Quote
People who are immune cannot pass on the disease to others.
You know, after some of them die or cant properly breathe ever again.

And its still not known how long immunity lasts for. It may be seasonal.
2% chance of killing you every year is a possibility.

Serious question for you Americans though.

These right wingers, are they not a super small minority that just attract a lot of media attention?
Cause the media loves a good story, and some red neck that wants to shoot anyone who will stop him from getting the Corona makes more a good story.

To put your mind at ease, yes they're a fringe group.  Most of the republican aligned voters that I know are good people who would give you the shirt off their back.

But also remember: fringe group can stil be a good 1-2 million people.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 26, 2020, 12:37:28 AM
To put your mind at ease, yes they're a fringe group.  Most of the republican aligned voters that I know are good people who would give you the shirt off their back.

But also remember: fringe group can stil be a good 1-2 million people.
I mean, we have the crazies here too. It just they are a small set of people with their own life time supply of canned beans in their armored bunkers. We however tend to ignore them.
I suppose the USA media system is just so over saturated, that any silly story gets at least some attention.

Either way, let evolution do its job, Covid19 will reach them too.
If its 0.1% of your society they cant do all that much harm anyway.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 26, 2020, 04:09:10 AM
As of right now, more Tourists from Europe have been arrested for breaking quarantine in RSA than citizens.
I thought we where the shit hole country.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 04:15:42 AM
As of right now, more Tourists from Europe have been arrested for breaking quarantine in RSA than citizens.
I thought we where the shit hole country.

Hope your government throws the book at them. These POS have no regard for law or life
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 26, 2020, 04:34:50 AM
Hope your government throws the book at them. These POS have no regard for law or life
Oh, they will probably place them in their hotels after they post bail.
They would never recover from 24 hours in one of our prisons.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 04:41:06 AM
Hope your government throws the book at them. These POS have no regard for law or life
Oh, they will probably place them in their hotels after they post bail.
They would never recover from 24 hours in one of our prisons.

What would your government do if someone knowingly transmitted a virus like HIV onto someone?

Maybe they should treat people who flout the rules with this the same way
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 26, 2020, 06:19:09 AM
What would your government do if someone knowingly transmitted a virus like HIV onto someone?

Maybe they should treat people who flout the rules with this the same way
If someone willing gives someone a life threatening disease, they do/will get a very long sentence.
We already have huge HIV and TB issues, its why we are so scared of Covid19 over here.
About 30% of the population has at least one of those, so RSA is a very venerable country.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 06:26:01 AM
The number of known cases doubled in Florida.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 09:08:59 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

We've nearly over taken Italy!  Next stop, China.

USA! USA!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
If I get sick, I want the Dyson ventilator IT WILL NEVER LOSE SUCTION https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 09:46:52 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/politicians-jockeying-for-covid-19-tests-find-proximity-to-trump-is-the-fastest-route/2020/03/25/0f87c928-6e31-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html

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Politicians jockeying for covid-19 tests find proximity to Trump is the fastest route

Late last month, Mick Mulvaney, who was still the acting White House chief of staff at the time, told a crowd of conservative activists that the media was exaggerating the threat posed by covid-19 because “they think this will bring down the president, that’s what this is all about. . . . It’s not a death sentence, it’s not the same as the Ebola crisis.”

But unbeknown to attendees at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Mulvaney had already received a coronavirus test, at the recommendation of the White House physician. The test, which has not been reported until now, was followed by a second this month after a niece with whom Mulvaney shares an apartment was around members of a Brazilian delegation who later tested positive for the virus.

Mulvaney is one of three President Trump confidants to get a coronavirus test while exhibiting no symptoms of the disease. And on Sunday, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) announced he tested positive despite being asymptomatic, refusing to disclose how he was able to get tested in Washington on March 16.

I don't mind that they are getting tested for the virus, but it pisses me off that they lie about how serious the virus is while they are shitting themselves every time they get exposed.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 09:51:32 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

We've nearly over taken Italy!  Next stop, China.

USA! USA!

Well with the Olympics put off for another year we can have the COVID-19 OLYMPICS!

Go for gold!!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
Boom!  We've officially passed Italy in infection!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
FOX News ghouls gleeful about the rise in cases in blue states https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1243004099206893583?s=20

 

Who will they blame when the shit hits the fan in the red states?

"Here's another interesting comparison. Yesterday, detected cases increased by 31% in Trump states as compared to 21% in Clinton states." https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1242990913909141506?s=20

THANKS OBAMA!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
If they're looking at it through a partisan lens like that it's kind of a wash.  It affects cities more, which are liberal.  But it also affects the elderly more, who are conservative.

Cities get hit harder but they have all of the medical resources.  So if you get it in a small town then you're in a difficult situation.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 26, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
America is the only country in the whole world that politicizes the corone. Literally NO other country is doing this in the extent that the us is doing it.
And I think everyone outside america thinks it's absolutely pathetic. Not even a deadly virus is enough to get democrats and republicans working together. Like wtf.

They should (at least for this one time) get their shit together and actually work & care for their citizen.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 02:12:39 PM
And just like that we are #1 for coronavirus infections in the world!

#MAGA!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 26, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
AMERICA FIRST
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
And just like that we are #1 for coronavirus infections in the world!

#MAGA!

Now you gotta work on getting number 1 for deaths! ??? :o
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
It's going to be tough to top Italy for that.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 26, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
Only a question of time.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
It's going to be tough to top Italy for that.

I think Trump is working on a plan. Expect it to be put in motion by Easter
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on March 26, 2020, 02:52:03 PM
Boom!  We've officially passed Italy in infection!

You know, I was thinking about this, and we are lagging way behind in per capita infections. But I believe in America, and I know we can do this. We have 5x the population. Certainly we can get 5x the infections. Maybe even more!

On a more serious note, my state's governor issued a Stay-at-Home order today, and extended remote learning for schools until at least May 4 while in the same breath saying be prepared for that to get extended again.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 03:06:42 PM
Some counties in my state have a stay at home order.  Not mine yet.  I'm sure it's coming though.  So far we officially have 400 infections.  However like anywhere else in our country it's nearly impossible to get a test unless you're hospitalized or a celebrity.

From all of the hockey stick graphs I see I suspect the true number is so high that going to the supermarket is probably a risk.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
PSA Safe Grocery Shopping in COVID-19 Pandemic – UPDATED!!!

IMPORTANT EDIT FROM NIH DATA:  COVID-19 LIVES ON CARDBOARD FOR 1 DAY.  SEE SOURCES BELOW.

This is the most current video for New CDC data, safe takeout food practices, and an updated practice for safe grocery shopping/handling.



Shit. This is a lot.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2020, 05:01:24 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/26/cruise-line-bailout/

Well this is interesting.  Cruise lines might not get the bailout because they're technically not US companies.  Maybe we should exclude any company that doesn't have a headquarters in the US.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 26, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
PSA Safe Grocery Shopping in COVID-19 Pandemic – UPDATED!!!

IMPORTANT EDIT FROM NIH DATA:  COVID-19 LIVES ON CARDBOARD FOR 1 DAY.  SEE SOURCES BELOW.

This is the most current video for New CDC data, safe takeout food practices, and an updated practice for safe grocery shopping/handling.



And we have compulsory voting and local government elections with cardboard voting booths ??? tomorrow - go figure!

We and many others used postal voting.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
I watched that video and it made me feel worse about everything. My mother is in her 70s, I'm in my 50s, there's no one to shop for us, so we'll have to risk it. People have bought up all the disinfectant spray, but my brother found a half gallon of bleach in Sarasota and brought it here. I guess I could mix a couple table spoons of bleach in some water and spray everything before I bring it in. Fortunately I always cook so I didn't have to buy every basic thing and I have enough for a couple weeks, but how bad will this shit be in a couple weeks? Now I understand why people buy 500 rolls of toilet paper.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 26, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
I watched that video and it made me feel worse about everything. My mother is in her 70s, I'm in my 50s, there's no one to shop for us, so we'll have to risk it. People have bought up all the disinfectant spray, but my brother found a half gallon of bleach in Sarasota and brought it here. I guess I could mix a couple table spoons of bleach in some water and spray everything before I bring it in. Fortunately I always cook so I didn't have to buy every basic thing and I have enough for a couple weeks, but how bad will this shit be in a couple weeks? Now I understand why people buy 500 rolls of toilet paper.
Don't ask but I've got a decade on your mother and my children must be about your age and they've all offered to shop for us even though they live 20 or 30 km away.
Luckily there's no signs (touch wood!) of any cases in this whole city yet, south of Brisbane.

The big worry is that I'm sure the number of confirmed cases is a huge underestimate of the real number infected because so far there have not been enough test-kits to test even those with symptoms if they haven't direct contact with someone from overseas.

Hopefully, that will change with somewhere over a million rapid (15 minute) test kits being available in a week or so.

As of now in Australia: Coronavirus Cases 3,050, Deaths 13 and Recovered: 170.
Of those 26 people have been admitted to ICU so some casualties might be expected there.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2020, 07:06:39 PM
There have been two cases in my county so far, but not near where I live. Most Florida cases are in the south, but it won't take much for the state to blow up like Italy. The governor doesn't want to shut everything down yet and I don't think too many are taking it seriously enough. The old people are taking it seriously, but that's not going to do any good if the younger ones don't.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 26, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
There have been two cases in my county so far, but not near where I live. Most Florida cases are in the south, but it won't take much for the state to blow up like Italy. The governor doesn't want to shut everything down yet and I don't think too many are taking it seriously enough. The old people are taking it seriously, but that's not going to do any good if the younger ones don't.
We still get reports like this:
Quote from: Jeremy Pierce, Dan Knowles, Patrick Billings, Matty Holdsworth, The Courier-Mail
March 27, 2020 12:32pm
Queensland Health issues self isolate order after surf club staff and guests exposed to confirmed case (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/no-flagged-areas-for-swimmers-from-saturday-in-a-bid-to-enforce-distance/news-story/3e5d2ab06595248184d16908afb6e782)
Polls which show a correlation between a decrease in age and an increase in the belief that the government has overreacted to the coronavirus.
SUNSHINE Beach Surf Club has issued a statement after 80 wedding guests and staff were exposed to a person who has since tested positive to coronavirus.

On Wednesday afternoon, Queensland Health contacted the club as to a possible “low-level risk” to patrons who attended the club on March 14 and 15.
The department sought information from the club regarding the layout of the venue, walls, dividers and bathrooms.

Large group gathers outside restaurant despite warning. (http://at.couriermail.com.au/link/b24adf0c00149b1a484c18507b27405f)
The above was before the stricter rules came in but common sense seem very uncommon these days.

Oscar Wilde wrote, "I am not young enough to know everything" but apparently these young people think are "young enough to know everything"!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2020, 08:48:29 PM
You're supposed to wash your vegetables with soap now too. Think I'll just buy frozen.

It's simply not safe to buy fresh fruit and vegetables. How many hundreds of people walk past them talking or coughing? No thanks

My mum and her partner don't see anyone anymore. He had his spleen removed ages ago. She's in her 60s

Take care rab.... If we lost you, who would I goad?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 26, 2020, 09:09:59 PM
Take care rab.... If we lost you, who would I goad?
So glad to be useful.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 27, 2020, 01:42:20 AM
First 2 South Africans have just died. 20 Days after it was confirmed in RSA.
28 and 46 year old, both woman, one in private medical care, and one in state hospital care.
This is symbolic, its not just old or poor that it kills. Young and rich are gonna be hammered all the same.

Stay safe, Stay at home.

Learn a skill.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 27, 2020, 01:45:01 AM
You're supposed to wash your vegetables with soap now too. Think I'll just buy frozen.

It's simply not safe to buy fresh fruit and vegetables. How many hundreds of people walk past them talking or coughing? No thanks

My mum and her partner don't see anyone anymore. He had his spleen removed ages ago. She's in her 60s

Take care rab.... If we lost you, who would I goad?
I think freezing doesn't kill the corone.
But buying frozen products might still be save since it was packed before the disease spread and likely the virus doesn't survive more than a few days on a surface.


Edit:
The corone can survive freezing, and apparently stays alive in a refrigerator for around 3 days. Cooking (70+ celsius) will kill sars cov 2. Other coronaviruses can survive at -20°C for two years, I think it's not known exactely for sars cov 2.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200221-sitrep-32-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=4802d089_2

So, if you wanna be safe, cook your veggies.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 27, 2020, 02:40:14 AM
First 2 South Africans have just died. 20 Days after it was confirmed in RSA.
28 and 46 year old, both woman, one in private medical care, and one in state hospital care.
This is symbolic, its not just old or poor that it kills. Young and rich are gonna be hammered all the same.

Stay safe, Stay at home.

Learn a skill.
I posted this elsewhere but it seems appropriate here:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8gis88n7x1fkdoy/Pooh%20and%20Piglet%20going%20Home.jpg?dl=1)

Yes, we're going home because that's the best thing to do right now :'(.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 27, 2020, 04:27:48 AM
Boris Johnson has just tested positive for covid-19.....
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 27, 2020, 04:28:08 AM
Boris Johnson tested positive for Coronavirus.   

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52060791?at_custom4=D633E736-701C-11EA-ADDB-70F139982C1E&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

Looks like I cross posted with Shifter. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 27, 2020, 05:21:19 AM
Is he in a risk group? How old is the guy?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2020, 08:51:00 AM
Yesterday that video I posted freaked me out, but today I read this thread by Don Schaffner and I feel much better. He's a food microbiologist at Rutgers University. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1243319180851580929.html  It's easier to read twitter threads on this app, it puts them all together in order (if you were wondering, which you probably weren't)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 27, 2020, 09:42:05 AM
Boris Johnson tested positive for Coronavirus.   

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52060791?at_custom4=D633E736-701C-11EA-ADDB-70F139982C1E&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

Looks like I cross posted with Shifter.

His Secretary of health also tested positive.  They have likely been under the influence of the virus this entire time which would explain why he ignored it at first!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 27, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
What if trump isn't actually a retard, but was under the influence of the corone for years, until the virus finally jumped over to another human being?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: hoppy on March 27, 2020, 10:52:25 AM
I watched that video and it made me feel worse about everything. My mother is in her 70s, I'm in my 50s, there's no one to shop for us, so we'll have to risk it. People have bought up all the disinfectant spray, but my brother found a half gallon of bleach in Sarasota and brought it here. I guess I could mix a couple table spoons of bleach in some water and spray everything before I bring it in. Fortunately I always cook so I didn't have to buy every basic thing and I have enough for a couple weeks, but how bad will this shit be in a couple weeks? Now I understand why people buy 500 rolls of toilet paper.
Also you put a sprayer in a rubbing alcohol bottle.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2020, 11:29:00 AM
Good luck finding a bottle of rubbing alcohol around here.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Timeisup on March 27, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
Trump and his anti-science views have been exposed as never before. This time sadly the results are pretty stark and real. This is quite a good piece in The Guardian. While our leader Boris has shown himself to be inept and tardy in his response we are at least making some headway albeit a bit two steps forward one back. Our planning has been poor to say the least but it pales when compared to the disjointed approach in the US. Like many, I have friends and family in the US and would not wish this on them
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/trump-narcissism-american-blood-coronavirus

One thing you could all do is step back and examine why this has happened on both sides of the Atlantic; ignoring the evidence and then failing to act quickly enough, particularly in the US. It is all a result of the kind of thinking that is very evident on this forum, anti-science coupled with a mistrust of scientists and the work they do. Normally blind belief has no immediate implications or payback as in the case of climate change, but this time it has and has bitten the world in the ass. Choosing to ignore science and go with your gut has repercussions and we are seeing them now. I have always felt very uneasy about the whole flat earth movement as it legitimizes belief-driven dogma at the expense of science and the facts.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 27, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
We have now exceeded 100,000 cases.  250 deaths today and the day is only half done.

Next week is going to be intense.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 27, 2020, 02:25:11 PM
Good luck finding a bottle of rubbing alcohol around here.
Well, you can't have mine, it's mine, mine, mine ;D!

But rubbing alcohol hoarders need to be careful. Look what happened to the toilet paper hoarders:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/yewcow77wfar543/Martians%20and%20coronavirus.jpg?dl=1)
You wouldn't want to get all rubbed out.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2020, 04:12:22 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2020, 05:32:11 PM
Why do we need Boeing to transport supplies when we have lots of military transport planes? I mean, I'm not mad at Boeing for offering the use of their planes, I just wonder why we're not already using military aircraft.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 27, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
slc is now officially ordered to stay at home.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 27, 2020, 07:21:40 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/floridas-huge-republican-rich-retirement-settlement-hit-with-coronavirus-community-spread-report/

SCG, what is this and is it gonna make Trump care about COVID?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 27, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
Why do we need Boeing to transport supplies when we have lots of military transport planes? I mean, I'm not mad at Boeing for offering the use of their planes, I just wonder why we're not already using military aircraft.
I'd do some serious checking if Boeing offered some of it's slightly used 737 MAX-8s even if they had been only used to ferry old lades to Church and back on Sundays.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 28, 2020, 12:50:43 AM


A video for making distilled water at home.  Just in case I need to macGuyver this shit.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 28, 2020, 01:03:36 AM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/

Is there already any data on how to properly sterilize those after use?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 28, 2020, 02:47:08 AM


A video for making distilled water at home.  Just in case I need to macGuyver this shit.
That won't kill any coronavirus! But this'll knock the little blighters for a six:
Quote
10 Strongest Alcohols In The World That’ll Get You High Quickly & Land You In A Lot Of Trouble (https://www.scoopwhoop.com/10-Alcoholic-Drinks-So-Strong-They-Can-Smash-You-Down-In-No-Time/)
3. Bruichladdich X4 Quadrupled Whiskey (92% Alcohol)
Bruichladdich is the most alcoholic single malt whiskey with 92% ABV. It is prepared with 17th century quadruple distillation method and is extremely pure and potent. The legend about the whiskey says, in 1695 Martin Martin, a Hebridean traveler spoke of an ancient powerful spirit, which translates from the Gaelic as “perilous whisky”. He was told by the locals: “one sip and you live forever; two sips and you go blind; three sips and you expire on the spot”.
(https://image.scoopwhoop.com/w872/s3.scoopwhoop.com/anj/alcohol/350229039.jpg.webp)
It might kill quicker than COVID-19 but who cares? What a way to go!

More seriously over 70% alcohol is heeded for disinfecting. Bleach or hydrogen peroxide are better.
Coronavirus: These products work best to kill the virus. (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/clean-kill-coronavirus-covid19-safety-health/)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 28, 2020, 07:18:18 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/floridas-huge-republican-rich-retirement-settlement-hit-with-coronavirus-community-spread-report/

SCG, what is this and is it gonna make Trump care about COVID?

Oh, I hadn't heard about that! Sumter county borders the county I live in. Trump already cares about the red states, and DeSantis is a Republican. I don't know if this will make him take the virus more seriously, but I'm sure DeSantis is showing proper amounts of appreciation for the president.

If you're wondering about retirement settlements (I've never heard them called settlements before) they're basically neighborhoods where you have to be over 55 to live in. Some of them are like nice suburbs, some of them are trailer parks, and some of them are apartment complexes or condos. There are lots of them sprinkled around Florida.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MouseWalker on March 28, 2020, 08:57:30 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/floridas-huge-republican-rich-retirement-settlement-hit-with-coronavirus-community-spread-report/

SCG, what is this and is it gonna make Trump care about COVID?

Oh, I hadn't heard about that! Sumter county borders the county I live in. Trump already cares about the red states, and DeSantis is a Republican. I don't know if this will make him take the virus more seriously, but I'm sure DeSantis is showing proper amounts of appreciation for the president.

If you're wondering about retirement settlements (I've never heard them called settlements before) they're basically neighborhoods where you have to be over 55 to live in. Some of them are like nice suburbs, some of them are trailer parks, and some of them are apartment complexes or condos. There are lots of them sprinkled around Florida.
I am in a 55 and older trailer park, in King county Washington state.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 28, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 28, 2020, 10:23:44 AM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf

That is cool!

Why doesn't the president use his power to make the garbage bag manufacturers start making disposable protective gowns? DO IT TRUMP, YOU ORANGE MORON.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 28, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 28, 2020, 12:04:53 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
They look like they have plastic parts that might go bad if you do that.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 28, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
They look like they have plastic parts that might go bad if you do that.
I read that the virus dies if you cook your food at at least 70 celsius.
If that's true then I doubt it would damage the plastic. Probably you could go quite a bit higher without an issue.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 28, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
They look like they have plastic parts that might go bad if you do that.
I read that the virus dies if you cook your food at at least 70 celsius.
If that's true then I doubt it would damage the plastic. Probably you could go quite a bit higher without an issue.
Depends on the plastic. I've seen some plastics that get deformed when it gets too hot in the summer here.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 28, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
They look like they have plastic parts that might go bad if you do that.
I read that the virus dies if you cook your food at at least 70 celsius.
If that's true then I doubt it would damage the plastic. Probably you could go quite a bit higher without an issue.
Depends on the plastic. I've seen some plastics that get deformed when it gets too hot in the summer here.
I'm not sure, but 1) I think in the greek sun things can easily get 100°C+ and 2) if medical equipment would deform at 70°C I think that would be considered unsafe.

I am not sure tho; but at least surgical masks and even most of the ffp2 should not have any plastic parts that can deform as far as I remember.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 28, 2020, 12:29:49 PM
Apparently they tried it, microwaves melted the masks but they held up at 70C, only issue being that it takes 30 minutes to heat them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 28, 2020, 12:34:41 PM
Apparently they tried it, microwaves melted the masks but they held up at 70C, only issue being that it takes 30 minutes to heat them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html

Interesting link, thanks.

30 mins doesn't sound too bad. Get some students to change the masks every 30 mins and your good.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 28, 2020, 12:46:47 PM
Oh this is cool https://mymodernmet.com/snorkeling-mask-ventilator-coronavirus/
I think it's cool that Duke University figured out how to decontaminate N95 masks with hydrogen peroxide.
https://www.safety.duke.edu/sites/www.safety.duke.edu/files/N95%20Decontamination%20Procedure.pdf
Why wouldnt you just heat them up?
Lol
They look like they have plastic parts that might go bad if you do that.
I read that the virus dies if you cook your food at at least 70 celsius.
If that's true then I doubt it would damage the plastic. Probably you could go quite a bit higher without an issue.
Depends on the plastic. I've seen some plastics that get deformed when it gets too hot in the summer here.
I'm not sure, but 1) I think in the greek sun things can easily get 100°C+ and 2) if medical equipment would deform at 70°C I think that would be considered unsafe.

I am not sure tho; but at least surgical masks and even most of the ffp2 should not have any plastic parts that can deform as far as I remember.
Maybe not the mask itself, but the elastic strap that holds it in place doesn't tolerate heat all that well either.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 28, 2020, 05:45:51 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/floridas-huge-republican-rich-retirement-settlement-hit-with-coronavirus-community-spread-report/

SCG, what is this and is it gonna make Trump care about COVID?

Oh, I hadn't heard about that! Sumter county borders the county I live in. Trump already cares about the red states, and DeSantis is a Republican. I don't know if this will make him take the virus more seriously, but I'm sure DeSantis is showing proper amounts of appreciation for the president.

If you're wondering about retirement settlements (I've never heard them called settlements before) they're basically neighborhoods where you have to be over 55 to live in. Some of them are like nice suburbs, some of them are trailer parks, and some of them are apartment complexes or condos. There are lots of them sprinkled around Florida.

I was joking when I posted that, but IT'S TRUE https://www.propublica.org/article/heres-why-florida-got-all-the-emergency-medical-supplies-it-requested-while-other-states-did-not Not really, according to the article Florida didn't ask for as many supplies as other states.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: wise on March 29, 2020, 08:42:35 AM
April 1 is coming. We will see whether or not corona was a joke. If it was, but a bad one.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 29, 2020, 09:34:24 AM
https://www.thelocal.de/20200329/german-minister-commits-suicide-due-to-coronavirus-worries

Quote
Thomas Schäfer, the finance minister of Germany's Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming "deeply worried" over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday.

Shit!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 29, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
Shit indeed.

Maybe the republicans are right: let people die if it saves the economy.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 29, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
Or we could just let the people who care more about the economy die, and the rest of us live.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 29, 2020, 09:55:38 AM
https://www.thelocal.de/20200329/german-minister-commits-suicide-due-to-coronavirus-worries

Quote
Thomas Schäfer, the finance minister of Germany's Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming "deeply worried" over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday.

Shit!

So the germans don't get killed bei the virus, but the economic impact of the virus makes them kill themselves?
Weird world we live in.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 29, 2020, 10:26:06 AM
https://www.thelocal.de/20200329/german-minister-commits-suicide-due-to-coronavirus-worries

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Thomas Schäfer, the finance minister of Germany's Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming "deeply worried" over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday.

Shit!
Αs far as I know he didn't leave a suicide note or whatever so it is very likely that this is just what the premier said to convince people they're taking this very seriously, and there was some other reason he killed himself.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 29, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Well, that's possible but who knows if it is more likely.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 29, 2020, 10:58:41 AM
https://www.thelocal.de/20200329/german-minister-commits-suicide-due-to-coronavirus-worries

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Thomas Schäfer, the finance minister of Germany's Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming "deeply worried" over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday.

Shit!
Αs far as I know he didn't leave a suicide note or whatever so it is very likely that this is just what the premier said to convince people they're taking this very seriously, and there was some other reason he killed himself.
As a rule of thumb, people don't kill themselves because of the corone but because of depression (or another mental disorder).
Still could be that all the corone stuff was the thing that pushed him over the edge.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 29, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
Looks like school is back in session.
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/24/liberty-university-reopens-despite-coronavirus-closure-calls-jerry-falwell-jr
Jerry Falwell Jr defies calls for coronavirus closures and reopens Liberty University

Students invited back to Christian school as Falwell incorrectly said young people ‘don’t have conditions that put them at risk’
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 29, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 29, 2020, 12:24:07 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 29, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Actually, the coronavirus is the son of god. I have proven it in wise's thread about how turkey uses 'chlorokin' and other meds to defeat the virus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 29, 2020, 01:25:56 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?

The issue isn't that they're stupid.  The issue is that they start with 'God is good' and go from there.  They have to interpret everything with that one 'fact'.  Virus kills a million people?  God is doing us a favor.  Didn't get sick yourself?  God spared you because of X.  Loved one wasn't spared?  Gods plan, test of faith, etc...

So when you start with 'God's actions are always good' you get weird mental gymnastics.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 29, 2020, 02:12:39 PM
Looks like school is back in session.
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/24/liberty-university-reopens-despite-coronavirus-closure-calls-jerry-falwell-jr
Jerry Falwell Jr defies calls for coronavirus closures and reopens Liberty University

Students invited back to Christian school as Falwell incorrectly said young people ‘don’t have conditions that put them at risk’

It's always good to have a control case for later analysis. 

I hope someone is going to track the numbers.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 29, 2020, 02:29:45 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?

The issue isn't that they're stupid.  The issue is that they start with 'God is good' and go from there.  They have to interpret everything with that one 'fact'.  Virus kills a million people?  God is doing us a favor.  Didn't get sick yourself?  God spared you because of X.  Loved one wasn't spared?  Gods plan, test of faith, etc...

So when you start with 'God's actions are always good' you get weird mental gymnastics.

What is dead may never die.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 29, 2020, 03:02:02 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?

That's optimistic given Trump is your President.

Given he wants to go a 'business as usual approach' it could be many millions getting infected.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 29, 2020, 03:07:54 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?

That's optimistic given Trump is your President.

Given he wants to go a 'business as usual approach' it could be many millions getting infected.

Oh that's just the death count.  We're projected to have millions infected.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 29, 2020, 03:23:54 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

It should be noted: God made this virus.  God ensures people get infected.  So a christian school should be safe, right?

Obviously.  And if they die then it's God's will.  And somehow they're "blessed".

Why are Christians so fucking stupid?

That's optimistic given Trump is your President.

Given he wants to go a 'business as usual approach' it could be many millions getting infected.

Oh that's just the death count.  We're projected to have millions infected.

I know. If 3% die and 50 million get infected that's about 1.5 million dead. 50 million catching it is less than 20% of your population.

Problem is with overwhelmed hospitals, people wo t get the healthcare they need for other things. People will die for things unrelated to the virus
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 29, 2020, 03:27:29 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200000-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short-idUSKBN21G0ME

We now have an official estimate.  In the US, 100k to 200k deaths.

That's optimistic given Trump is your President.

Given he wants to go a 'business as usual approach' it could be many millions getting infected.
If nothing was done the number infected could approach 60% or almost 200 million with possibly almost 6 million casualties.
The present measures might slow things but only for as long as they are in place.
If they are relaxed before an effective cure or vaccination is available the infection rate goes back to about 60% infection rate.

But there are signs that Trump is finally listening health experts - maybe he's getting scared that the coronavirus might dare infect him!

In Australia, we have over 4000 cases and 16 deaths but in NSW alone there are "24 people were in intensive care" and some of those could succumb.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 29, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
Boris Johnson is "furious" at China's handling: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?amp

Yeah, the guy who only introduced aggressive measures last week and wanted to let virus spread to everyone to create herd immunity is angry at China's handling. I talked to my friend in Leeds every day before she came back to Greece, it was pretty insane to see how everything just went on like nothing had happened as they were shooting past us in cases per million. Many of the cases we now have are Greek people who came back from the UK, because of their terrible handling.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 29, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
Looking at the numbers China handled it great.  Unless they're lying.  Which is the subject of a different thread.

Countries that are doing great at this:

China
Germany
South Korea

Countries that are completing fucking this up:

Italy
UK
US
Spain

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 29, 2020, 04:53:02 PM
Boris Johnson is "furious" at China's handling: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?amp

Yeah, the guy who only introduced aggressive measures last week and wanted to let virus spread to everyone to create herd immunity is angry at China's handling. I talked to my friend in Leeds every day before she came back to Greece, it was pretty insane to see how everything just went on like nothing had happened as they were shooting past us in cases per million. Many of the cases we now have are Greek people who came back from the UK, because of their terrible handling.

He was also boasting about shaking hands with people who were positive for the virus.

Karmas a bitch

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 29, 2020, 04:57:06 PM
I'm not sure if I'd say that the US is "totally fucking this up".  For having the highest number of infections, we currently have one of the lowest death rates at about 1.5%.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 29, 2020, 05:10:14 PM
There is that.  But our hospital system hasn't been overwhelmed yet.  That could change in the next week.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 29, 2020, 05:16:58 PM
There is that.  But our hospital system hasn't been overwhelmed yet.  That could change in the next week.

If Italys hospitals weren't overwhelmed, many more people could have survived. A lot of needless death because so many people got infected all at once
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 29, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
I'm not sure if I'd say that the US is "totally fucking this up".  For having the highest number of infections, we currently have one of the lowest death rates at about 1.5%.

That 1.5% is not accurate,   of the 140,000 confirmed cases,  only about 5% of those have an outcome  at this time.   So there are 95% of cases have outcomes that are yet to be determined.

Best estimates of CFR are in the order of 3-5%,  but progressive totals are tracking at least three times that.


Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 29, 2020, 10:16:06 PM
Boris Johnson is "furious" at China's handling: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?amp

Yeah, the guy who only introduced aggressive measures last week and wanted to let virus spread to everyone to create herd immunity is angry at China's handling. I talked to my friend in Leeds every day before she came back to Greece, it was pretty insane to see how everything just went on like nothing had happened as they were shooting past us in cases per million. Many of the cases we now have are Greek people who came back from the UK, because of their terrible handling.

He was also boasting about shaking hands with people who were positive for the virus.

Karmas a bitch

Its also fun to watch him go from 'Herd Immunity' to 'Oh shit, I might die!  Damn you China!'


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Problem is with overwhelmed hospitals, people wo t get the healthcare they need for other things. People will die for things unrelated to the virus
In fairness, this happens without corona, not because of overwhelmed hospitals but because lack of medical insurance or money.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 29, 2020, 10:20:30 PM


Behold, our "wartime" president.

Yeah, we're fucked.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Lorddave on March 29, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
Not necissarily.  Someone got through.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/29/821976925/coronavirus-cases-soar-across-the-u-s-and-officials-say-worse-is-yet-to-come?sc=18&f=1001
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 01:48:50 AM
Can you reuse masks?
YES
The best and simplest method is to heat the masks to 75°C for 30 min. This does not lower the mask's efficiency significiantly even after 20 cycles.
Obviously using a new mask every few hours is still preferable.
https://stanfordmedicine.app.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-2


This information has also been added to the thread Covid-19: Information, papers, ressources
 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=85245.0)

UV light works aswell, but it's obviously harder to do for most of the population.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
A uv light.   I wonder if I can use a black light.  I can at least protect the elastic that way.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 07:56:16 AM
A uv light.   I wonder if I can use a black light.  I can at least protect the elastic that way.

Why wouldn't you just throw it in the oven for 30mins? Way easier and safer.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:35:22 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:37:06 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.
They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 09:33:16 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.
They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?
Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 09:40:58 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.
They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?
Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.

Not in this situation.  It's not from use.  It's from age.  These were used to paint a shed and they've been sitting in my toolbox for the last 7 years.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.
Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.
A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.
It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.
They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?
Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.

Not in this situation.  It's not from use.  It's from age.  These were used to paint a shed and they've been sitting in my toolbox for the last 7 years.
Then don't use them unless you really have to.
And if you really have to then, as mentioned, sew or staple on a new elastic band.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:32:49 AM
We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 10:35:34 AM
We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?
Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?
Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:13:11 AM
We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?
Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.
US is testing more cases that are less severe + has good healthcare (but expensive).
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
You guys could also use an ozone generator to kill virus, bacteria and smells.

https://crystalquest.com/pages/ozone-generator-for-covid-19-coronavirus-disinfectant

I use a different more powerful one. Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Mold remediation companies use these generators, also hotels.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
Title: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on March 30, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
Do Re Mi - Covid 19 version
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:03:04 AM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.
Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 31, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.
Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:58:02 AM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.
Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.
I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on March 31, 2020, 01:50:58 AM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.
Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.
I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?

I'd be very surprised if any ozone generator sold by one of those natural healing alternative medicine companies even does what it says, let alone produce ozone in levels the human body might get irritated with.

Ozone belongs in the upper atmosphere, not down here on Earth. Personal hygiene and cleanliness will kill far more bugs than some fancy gadget sold to regular plebs
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Pezevenk on March 31, 2020, 03:47:11 AM
We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?
Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.
US is testing more cases that are less severe + has good healthcare (but expensive).
France has way better healthcare. Italy's healthcare is fine too but that didn't do much to keep the rates down.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: hoppy on March 31, 2020, 04:54:09 AM
Why doesn't the government send these around to people.
Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.
Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm
What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.
Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.
And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.
Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.
I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?

I'd be very surprised if any ozone generator sold by one of those natural healing alternative medicine companies even does what it says, let alone produce ozone in levels the human body might get irritated with.

Ozone belongs in the upper atmosphere, not down here on Earth. Personal hygiene and cleanliness will kill far more bugs than some fancy gadget sold to regular plebs
Of course you use personal hygiene. Ozone cleans all of the environment    around you inside. Ozone in the atmosphere is the natural cleaner for outside. Ozone is used by cleaning companies, mould cleanup, fire restoration.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on March 31, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on March 31, 2020, 08:34:15 AM
Ozone was not patented.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on March 31, 2020, 09:21:36 AM
Chris Cuomo tests positive for the Coronavirus.  Trump must be thrilled.

And we now have more deaths than China.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 31, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on March 31, 2020, 08:18:18 PM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

Idiot.   Ozone is not patented.   

Ozone is a well accepted and safe method of room disinfection.   Just don't breathe it directly,  let the room clear after treatment.

Also,  don't drink bleach or isopropanol,  unless you are a swedish lab rat. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on March 31, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

*sigh*
Quote from: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US2006257852#section=Patent-Submission-Date
4 Patent Abstract

An outbreak of a virulent respiratory virus, now known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), was identified in Hong Kong, China and a growing number of countries around the world in 2003. The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus. These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 31, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
A uv light.   I wonder if I can use a black light.  I can at least protect the elastic that way.
A black light wont work.
UV lights emit harmful ultra violet radiation. SO you dont want an exposed UV light anywhere near you.
The UV radiation destroys DNA and RNA very quickly, and can pass through a bit of protective layers, i.e. skin. That is why it is dangerous.
There are medical grade UV sterilizers for this job. But the UV lights you can buy for fish tanks should work fine.

JUST DONT LEAVE THEM EXPOSED WHEN ON. Will give you cancer!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 03:56:09 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
My point is the virus is patented.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on April 01, 2020, 04:33:17 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
My point is the virus is patented.

Yeah right.
Now go take your meds.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on April 01, 2020, 04:42:10 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
My point is the virus is patented.
Did you read the patent application? If you did you might note that the virus itself is NOT is patented and a naturally occurring virus or bacterium cannot be patented.
Quote
United States Patent Application   20060257852 (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=20060257852.PN.&OS=PN/20060257852&RS=PN/20060257852)
Kind Code   A1
Rappuoli; Rino;   et al.   November 16, 2006
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus

Abstract
An outbreak of a virulent respiratory virus, now known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), was identified in Hong Kong, China and a growing number of countries around the world in 2003. The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus. These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.


So the virus is NOT and cannot be patented unless it was created by genetic engineering and who would dare admit to that :o?

Not only that but read this:
Quote from: Cherry Zhou, patent attorney at HFG
(https://www.hfgip.com/sites/default/files/logo-hfg.png)Virus and patentability: few questions to the expert (https://www.hfgip.com/news/virus-and-patentability)
Can genetic sequence of a new virus be patented in China?

CZ: The gene of a new virus itself, defined by its nucleotide sequence, cannot be patented in China, since the gene merely is found in the nature and existing in its natural state without providing any industrial utilization, so that it will fall into the unallowable category as recited in Article 25, i.e., “scientific discovery”.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Can the test to discover if a certain human being has been infected be patented?
CZ: The test method to detect whether a certain person is infected, cannot be patented in China, because the test method falls into “methods for the diagnosis or for the treatment of disease” as recited in Article 25, which is directly practiced on living human or animal body with immediate purpose to obtain the diagnostic result of a disease or health condition.

However, the method to obtain information from the living human or animal body as an intermediate result does not belong to diagnostic methods and can be patented.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:06:40 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
My point is the virus is patented.
Did you read the patent application? If you did you might note that the virus itself is NOT is patented and a naturally occurring virus or bacterium cannot be patented.
Quote
United States Patent Application   20060257852 (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=20060257852.PN.&OS=PN/20060257852&RS=PN/20060257852)
Kind Code   A1
Rappuoli; Rino;   et al.   November 16, 2006
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus

Abstract
An outbreak of a virulent respiratory virus, now known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), was identified in Hong Kong, China and a growing number of countries around the world in 2003. The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus. These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.


So the virus is NOT and cannot be patented unless it was created by genetic engineering and who would dare admit to that :o?

Not only that but read this:
Quote from: Cherry Zhou, patent attorney at HFG
(https://www.hfgip.com/sites/default/files/logo-hfg.png)Virus and patentability: few questions to the expert (https://www.hfgip.com/news/virus-and-patentability)
Can genetic sequence of a new virus be patented in China?

CZ: The gene of a new virus itself, defined by its nucleotide sequence, cannot be patented in China, since the gene merely is found in the nature and existing in its natural state without providing any industrial utilization, so that it will fall into the unallowable category as recited in Article 25, i.e., “scientific discovery”.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Can the test to discover if a certain human being has been infected be patented?
CZ: The test method to detect whether a certain person is infected, cannot be patented in China, because the test method falls into “methods for the diagnosis or for the treatment of disease” as recited in Article 25, which is directly practiced on living human or animal body with immediate purpose to obtain the diagnostic result of a disease or health condition.

However, the method to obtain information from the living human or animal body as an intermediate result does not belong to diagnostic methods and can be patented.

Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 05:08:21 AM
The US deaths yesterday were over 1000, up from 500 the day before. Literally doubled overnight.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:08:29 AM
It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852
Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
My point is the virus is patented.

Yeah right.
Now go take your meds.
I know I'm right.

Now go pound a meatball.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:11:27 AM
The US deaths yesterday were over 1000, up from 500 the day before. Literally doubled overnight.
Wtf are you writing about?


There were not 1000 deaths in the US yesterday.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 05:22:07 AM
1036 per Johns Hopkins data
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:29:28 AM
1036 per Johns Hopkins data
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
912
The number you are reporting is not yesterday's deaths.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on April 01, 2020, 05:32:23 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 05:33:40 AM
Your source says 912. Neat-o. Meanwhile, you can get the JHU data on GitHub and run your own reporting on it. They standardized on UTC, which may very well be the discrepancy, but either way you are splitting hairs.

https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:35:12 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 05:37:11 AM
Your source says 912. Neat-o. Meanwhile, you can get the JHU data on GitHub and run your own reporting on it. They standardized on UTC, which may very well be the discrepancy, but either way you are splitting hairs.
Just admit that 912 =/= 1000, you posted false information (typical for a mod here), and get lost.

Try to do it in the order I suggested, but if you decide to get lost first, I don't think anyone will really mind...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on April 01, 2020, 05:53:06 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.
This is not how patents work!

First - If there is any previous creation of the thing you are patenting by someone else, or something else, then you cant patent it. Or at the very least, it will get thrown out in court. You need to be an original author. Some jackass's have tried to patent everything from the wheel to the swing. They failed. So anyone trying to patent the Coronavirus is going to be disappointed.
 
Second - patents vary from country to country, meaning that this patent may exist in China, but for 100% certainty it wont be recognized in South Africa, or most of the world. So whoever patented it will only receive protection from patent infringement in China. Which is kinda useless.

Third - Patents are all public record. So if there is a patent, you should be able to find it and show us this alleged patent. The term "Secret patents" is an oxymoron

Fourth - Im sure it is possible to patent a protein, if you can create one. But that does not mean you patented all proteins. Just that single one. Same with Virus's. If you can create a not existing virus, you can probably try to patent that specific strain, but only that specific one. Seeing that Corona viruses have existed for millennia, I dont think you can even attempt that.

And finally. The only reason to patent something is to get legal protection over that idea. So when someone else does the thing you invensted, you can get a court to order them to give you royalties. What legal protection is anyone going to get for patenting a virus that is busy killing 10's of thousands of people? Think they are going to ask everyone who got infected to give them money, for illegally copying the virus? $1 per copy of the virus in your body. Brilliant idea genius!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: sokarul on April 01, 2020, 06:05:16 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.
What is patented is online in the patent. The SARS virus is not one of them.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 06:43:54 AM
Your source says 912. Neat-o. Meanwhile, you can get the JHU data on GitHub and run your own reporting on it. They standardized on UTC, which may very well be the discrepancy, but either way you are splitting hairs.
Just admit that 912 =/= 1000, you posted false information (typical for a mod here), and get lost.

Try to do it in the order I suggested, but if you decide to get lost first, I don't think anyone will really mind...
I posted my source. It is most certainly not false information. You’re being a troll, per usual.

Edit to add: LOL you really don’t read, do you. Your source admits it is under reporting for the reasons outlined below. Just wait until they update it. I bet their numbers suddenly agree with JHU.
Quote
March 31 (GMT)

NOTE: Washington State has not reported due to technical problems ("We are experiencing technical difficulties with our COVID-19 data repository") [source] [source] King County Public Health also affected, according to their website [source] Worldometer is updating 03/31 with partial data from the counties that have reported and will adjust Washington State numbers for 03/31 when the reporting will be complete
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 07:49:01 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.

Third - Patents are all public record. So if there is a patent, you should be able to find it and show us this alleged patent. The term "Secret patents" is an oxymoron .
US Patent #US2006257852

Subject of Patent = SARS CoV-2

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 07:51:30 AM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.
What is patented is online in the patent. The SARS virus is not one of them.
Yes.

Online in the patent is the individual building blocks (i.e., nucleic acids and proteins), which when assembled = the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: totallackey on April 01, 2020, 07:54:55 AM
Your source says 912. Neat-o. Meanwhile, you can get the JHU data on GitHub and run your own reporting on it. They standardized on UTC, which may very well be the discrepancy, but either way you are splitting hairs.
Just admit that 912 =/= 1000, you posted false information (typical for a mod here), and get lost.

Try to do it in the order I suggested, but if you decide to get lost first, I don't think anyone will really mind...
I posted my source. It is most certainly not false information. You’re being a troll, per usual.

Edit to add: LOL you really don’t read, do you. Your source admits it is under reporting for the reasons outlined below. Just wait until they update it. I bet their numbers suddenly agree with JHU.
Find a place on the JHU site that states over 1000 people died in the US on March 31, 2020.

Be advised (in this case) my asking you to do this is likened to handing you a card with the words,"How do you keep a moron busy?" and "Turn card over for the answer..." written on both sides.

Then, quote it directly, in writing.

You won't, because Johns Hopkins didn't write it.

You, NOT KNOWING HOW TO INTERPRET DATA, and RUNNING YOUR OWN REPORT, came up with that fucked up number.

So yeah, you posted false information.

I would rather be a troll than a mod AND a troll AND just plain stupid like you.

You want to focus on the note from my source stating that Washington State didn't add their numbers and wasn't included. "NOTE: Washington State has not reported due to technical problems ("We are experiencing technical difficulties with our COVID-19 data repository") [source] [source] King County Public Health also affected, according to their website [source] Worldometer is updating 03/31 with partial data from the counties that have reported and will adjust Washington State numbers for 03/31 when the reporting will be complete.'

Somehow, as a moron, you think Johns Hopkins has access to data that isn't available due to technical problems...
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on April 01, 2020, 09:07:32 AM
1036 per Johns Hopkins data

It's going to get worse before it gets better.  We only starting doing any meaningful isolation maybe a week ago. 
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Totallackey it's at your fingertips, pointed you to the GitHub repository where they are sharing their datasets in daily updates.

And no, no one actually has to run their own report, that's already being done by other data aggregators just fine. But the point is, the data is open sourced so there is nothing stopping anyone from verifying it.

Stop being stupid.

(https://i.ibb.co/9tFq4zG/Screenshot-20200401-121105.png) (https://ibb.co/Wtbczqs)
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on April 01, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
US Patent #US2006257852

Subject of Patent = SARS CoV-2
SARS-CoV-2 was patented in 2006? ???  :o
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on April 01, 2020, 10:44:41 AM
This thread is getting way out of hand and way too angry.

The fatality statistics in America be they 900 or 1000 is horrifying either way and I have a feeling that figure will look rather tame in a few weeks from now. You found like 25000 new cases the other day and that's probably a fraction of the real number too. Your esteemed leader has really dropped the ball on this crisis. Spent too long mocking the virus, downplaying its threat and trying to pass it off as a democratic hoax to get him impeached (at least that was the language used by Fox and Friends - one of his favourite shows).

I wonder... Is Trump still keen to defy medical professionals and open up the country by Easter? Hopefully the people don't listen to him and stay indoors

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on April 01, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
Trump has sided more with the experts opinion.  But he's a little half hearted about it.  I don't think there's much of a danger of him ordering all of the states to drop their lockdowns that early.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 01, 2020, 10:59:15 AM
Governor DeSantis is finally ordering a statewide stay at home order. Not going into effect until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on April 01, 2020, 11:30:27 AM
Finland opened up its emergency store for extra medical equipment and whatnot. Found out the large supply of respirators in it expired in 2012 *sigh* what fucking genius was in charge of stock rotation there?!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on April 01, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
An "expired" respirator can mean a lot of different things.  If it's been kept in a relatively stable temperature and out of direct sunlight then the only thing to be worried about is the elastic bands.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crouton on April 01, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
We've just shot past 200k infected.

I'm pretty sure China's numbers are total bullshit.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on April 01, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
We've just shot past 200k infected.

I'm pretty sure China's numbers are total bullshit.

I believe China was recently busted for not including asymptomatic cases which probably comprises the bulk of cases

They are trying to open back up for business. Bullshitting is a good way to do that
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on April 01, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
An "expired" respirator can mean a lot of different things.  If it's been kept in a relatively stable temperature and out of direct sunlight then the only thing to be worried about is the elastic bands.

They're saying they're not good enough to use
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on April 01, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
We've just shot past 200k infected.

I'm pretty sure China's numbers are total bullshit.

I believe China was recently busted for not including asymptomatic cases which probably comprises the bulk of cases

They are trying to open back up for business. Bullshitting is a good way to do that
It can actually make sense to not include asymptomatic cases, but it should be clearly communicated.

You guys also have to consider that china started way harder restrictions than 'murica way quicker. Also everyone in china wears a mask all the time, it helps, too.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: hoppy on April 01, 2020, 12:40:21 PM
Finland opened up its emergency store for extra medical equipment and whatnot. Found out the large supply of respirators in it expired in 2012 *sigh* what fucking genius was in charge of stock rotation there?!
Was the glorious leader in charge of those deeds?
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on April 01, 2020, 01:01:01 PM
Finland opened up its emergency store for extra medical equipment and whatnot. Found out the large supply of respirators in it expired in 2012 *sigh* what fucking genius was in charge of stock rotation there?!
Was the glorious leader in charge of those deeds?

If she had been there wouldn't have been any fuck ups, that's for sure
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
I just witnessed one of the fastest 180's in opinion on this thing from someone I know. For the entirety of the crisis thus far, they have been staunchly in the "the whole thing is just a media parade, they're trying to use it to hurt Trump, it's just a flu, people don't need to go crazy trying to close things down like they are." Today, I found out they are showing all the symptoms. What's more, they were sent home from work yesterday because they were symptomatic at work. Hasn't been tested yet, but is pretty sure it's the coronavirus. And now, it's "people need to take this serious, people are dying and it's really spreading fast, how can people just be so irresponsible?" I didn't even know what to say, except to say I hope you feel better soon and stay safe.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shifter on April 01, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
It gives me the shits that you do all the right things, but some dickhead who doesn't give a damn goes and gets it and spreads it around.

I know you were being professionally courteous telling him to stay safe but I hope the inner voice in your head told him to go frig himself and not come back.

When I get to work I spray everything down. The desk, keyboard, mice, phone, desk, door handles etc. Still, despite that, my health very much depends on the others doing the right thing in their personal lives. The few minutes of hand over of them talking to me could sicken me - literally!

I think many people will be permanent germophobes after this is all over. I probably will. The speed of this pandemic really shows how grotty we really are
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: boydster on April 01, 2020, 03:20:07 PM
It gives me the shits that you do all the right things, but some dickhead who doesn't give a damn goes and gets it and spreads it around.

I know you were being professionally courteous telling him to stay safe but I hope the inner voice in your head told him to go frig himself and not come back.

When I get to work I spray everything down. The desk, keyboard, mice, phone, desk, door handles etc. Still, despite that, my health very much depends on the others doing the right thing in their personal lives. The few minutes of hand over of them talking to me could sicken me - literally!

I think many people will be permanent germophobes after this is all over. I probably will. The speed of this pandemic really shows how grotty we really are
Thankfully this person works in a different place 3000 miles away from me. But yes, internally I was feeling inclined to reach through the phone and strangle some sense into them. And this team of people is very small, like 5 people, supporting operations for a very large company, so going to work and possibly spreading it to the rest of the team would have major implications on their ability to continue operating. It's just so irresponsible. And to completely unironically flip positions on whether or not its a big deal, and whether anyone should take it seriously, without even the slightest bit of self awareness about the whole thing, was mind bogglingly frustrating to hear.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 01, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/

Quote
Exclusive: The Military Knew Years Ago That a Coronavirus Was Coming
The Pentagon warned the White House about a shortage of ventilators, face masks, and hospital beds in 2017—but the Trump administration did nothing.

Link to the Pentagon Influenza Response https://www.scribd.com/document/454422848/Pentagon-Influenza-Response

We should definitely fight the Mexican drug cartels instead!
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: rabinoz on April 01, 2020, 05:13:08 PM
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/

Quote
Exclusive: The Military Knew Years Ago That a Coronavirus Was Coming
The Pentagon warned the White House about a shortage of ventilators, face masks, and hospital beds in 2017—but the Trump administration did nothing.

Link to the Pentagon Influenza Response https://www.scribd.com/document/454422848/Pentagon-Influenza-Response

We should definitely fight the Mexican drug cartels instead!
Maybe someone listened to Bill Gates in 2015.
Quote from: Bill Gates, 2015
Today the greatest risk of global catastrophe doesn't look like this << a nuclear cloud >>. Instead, it looks like this << a "coronavirus" >>. If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it's most likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war. Not missiles, but microbes. Now, part of the reason for this is that we've invested a huge amount in nuclear deterrents. But we've actually invested very little in a system to stop an epidemic. We're not ready for the next epidemic.
Part of the transcript of: Bill Gates at TED2015: The next outbreak? We're not ready, 25,279,960 views (https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready?utm_campaign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare) and the video of that part of the TED talk:

5 years ago Bill Gates warned We're not ready for the next epidemic!

Next time :(? And pigs might fly.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: markjo on April 01, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
One can only wonder what kind of shape we might be in today if Trump and Bolton didn't disband the pandemic response team 2 years ago:
Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/
May 10, 2018 at 4:32 PM EDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on April 01, 2020, 06:54:45 PM
Yeah,  I know he's a troll, and I should ignore him,  but sometimes his stupidity rises to such levels that he needs a slap down.

Online in the patent is the individual building blocks (i.e., nucleic acids and proteins), which when assembled = the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

If that were even vaguely true you could patent the building blocks of DNA,  then you would have a patent that covers all lifeforms.

Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: JerkFace on April 01, 2020, 06:59:08 PM
5 years ago Bill Gates warned We're not ready for the next epidemic!

Next time :(? And pigs might fly.

I think we might be lucky that this one hasn't the CFR of MERS or worse.  That said, perhaps this is the wakeup call that world governments need to prepare for what could have been much much worse. 

The cynic in me says that once this is over, they will revert to their old habits and we will have learned nothing.  But, we can hope.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on April 01, 2020, 10:55:29 PM
Like I wrote earlier...

The virus is patented.

When you have a patent on the nucleic acids and proteins (i.e., the building blocks of the virus) and have the ability to make it weaker (or stronger) then by all intents and purposes you have a patent on the virus itself.

The virus is NOT patented and nobody can patent a natural organism.
The virus is patented.

SARS-CoV-2 is patented.

You can read it right in the source.

You can shout and scream all you want but it was patented in 2006.

Like I wrote, when you have a patent on the building blocks, you have a patent on the shape of what those building blocks form.

In this case, the building blocks we are discussing here happen to make up a virus.

Third - Patents are all public record. So if there is a patent, you should be able to find it and show us this alleged patent. The term "Secret patents" is an oxymoron .
US Patent #US2006257852

Subject of Patent = SARS CoV-2


From the US patent office
 (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=20060257852.PN.&OS=PN/20060257852&RS=PN/20060257852)
Quote
The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus.These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.

ITS NOT SARS-CoV-2 that is patented you silly monkey. It is a patent on a method to Cure it.


Nowhere does it say that the SARS coronavirus is the patent, it does not even suggest it.
It also does not say what strain of SARS Coronavirus it is talking about. More a generic method of all strains of SARS Coronavirus. Covid19 is a specific strain, although their patent COULD cover it.


Its like Apples patent to "slide to unlock", then claiming they patented the touch screen.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on April 01, 2020, 11:01:53 PM
5 years ago Bill Gates warned We're not ready for the next epidemic!

Next time :(? And pigs might fly.

I think we might be lucky that this one hasn't the CFR of MERS or worse.  That said, perhaps this is the wakeup call that world governments need to prepare for what could have been much much worse. 

The cynic in me says that once this is over, they will revert to their old habits and we will have learned nothing.  But, we can hope.

MERS was much worse for those that got infected, but was relatively easy to contain.
What makes Covid19 so bad is that it takes forever to get a patient out of ICU conditions (one way or other) Meaning it can overwhelm hospitals very quickly.
If it had a higher CFR, it would kill quicker, symptoms would occur quicker. This means it would be easier to keep the health system of a country stable and easier to track cases.
This is a perfect mix of bad.
Title: Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on April 02, 2020, 01:27:15 AM