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Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?

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Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?

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Didymus

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2019, 07:05:00 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 22, 2019, 12:34:35 PM
So, you concede that you are denying your eyes in favor of an illusion then?

No more than if a box you can see contains, or does not contain a cat that you cannot see.
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Didymus

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2019, 07:09:48 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 21, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Some do, some do not. By making this a poll you will have mostly RE voting, which is probably not what you are looking for.

What I tell people who ask this sort of question is that most conspiracy theories are believed in by round earthers.

That could mean that round earthers would tend to believe in conspiracy theories.

Or it could mean that of the people who believe in conspiracy theories, most are round earthers.

It's an interesting concept but needs tidying up.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2019, 08:17:09 AM »
Quote from: Didymus on September 25, 2019, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 21, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Some do, some do not. By making this a poll you will have mostly RE voting, which is probably not what you are looking for.

What I tell people who ask this sort of question is that most conspiracy theories are believed in by round earthers.

That could mean that round earthers would tend to believe in conspiracy theories.

Or it could mean that of the people who believe in conspiracy theories, most are round earthers.

It's an interesting concept but needs tidying up.

It's not a concept, it's a fact. Most conspiracy theorists are round earthers.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM »
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2019, 09:07:14 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2019, 08:17:09 AM
Quote from: Didymus on September 25, 2019, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 21, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Some do, some do not. By making this a poll you will have mostly RE voting, which is probably not what you are looking for.

What I tell people who ask this sort of question is that most conspiracy theories are believed in by round earthers.

That could mean that round earthers would tend to believe in conspiracy theories.

Or it could mean that of the people who believe in conspiracy theories, most are round earthers.

It's an interesting concept but needs tidying up.

It's not a concept, it's a fact. Most conspiracy theorists are round earthers.

As a percentage statistic, you are wrong.

100% of flat earthers are conspiracy theorists. They have to be.

In numbers only? Yes, simply because there are very few flatties compared to RE.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2019, 09:10:45 AM »
Well, it's easy to say I am wrong when you make it about something else.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2019, 09:53:48 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 22, 2019, 12:34:35 PM
So, you concede that you are denying your eyes in favor of an illusion then?
Tom, I wouldn't beat the illusion drum too loudly if I were you, especially since the FE explanation for the motions of the celestial bodies (including the rising and setting of the sun and moon) relies on some bizarre, ever changing combination of perspective, refraction, aether, bendy light, dome/atmoplane projection, etc. illusions.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2019, 03:46:23 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2019, 09:10:45 AM
Well, it's easy to say I am wrong when you make it about something else.

Did I make it about something else?

It's just as easy, using numbers only, to say that It's a FACT, More round earthers breathe oxygen!

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2019, 04:18:39 PM »
Quote from: Crutchwater on September 25, 2019, 03:46:23 PM
More round earthers breathe oxygen!

True fact!
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2019, 04:49:00 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
Are you suggesting that jet exhaust does not contain chemicals that get left behind in a trail? ???
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 07:49:52 AM »
Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
Are you suggesting that jet exhaust does not contain chemicals that get left behind in a trail? ???

I believe he’s suggesting that the white trails that are visible behind aircraft under certain atmospheric conditions are simply water condensation, just as the name implies.

Byproducts from combustion are of course always emitted regardless of whether a contrail is visible or not.

Don’t know whether you are just being a bit snarky or not, but when people talk about chemtrails, they don’t mean the engine exhaust, but alleging that the aircraft are being used to deliberately spray chemicals or particulate for some nefarious reason.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2019, 08:36:03 AM »
Chemtrails are Windex for the dome!
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2019, 01:17:50 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?

Water is a chemical.

The trails are therefore made of chemical, hence chemtrails.

However you seem to think that the trails are made of vapor (vapour). How silly is that? Water vapor is transparent in the visible specrum. The trails are made of condensed water droplets that may or may not have frozen.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2019, 01:51:41 PM »
Quote from: Crutchwater on September 26, 2019, 08:36:03 AM
Chemtrails are Windex for the dome!

Is the Milky Way just a big smear, where they didn’t wipe it properly?
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2019, 02:27:45 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 26, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
Water is a chemical.
The trails are therefore made of chemical, hence chemtrails.


Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser
However you seem to think that the trails are made of vapor (vapour). How silly is that? Water vapor is transparent in the visible specrum. The trails are made of condensed water droplets that may or may not have frozen.
Smart Aleck! Is this better?
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?


Proof ChemTrails Are Poisonous And Deadly! (2018) by Rico Penguin

And here's all the proof ;) you needl:
Chemtrails alert in Paris! Preparing a chem storm « on: September 15, 2017, 10:43:33 PM »
Chemtrails level 2 in BELFAST: Frequency radiation trail « on: May 08, 2017, 06:19:32 PM »
Chemtrails proven: This is what they reject, undeniable proof! « on: April 19, 2017, 10:47:25 PM »
ChemTrails ideal weather conditions to make a genocide « on: April 10, 2017, 05:08:28 PM »
Chemtrails in Sao Paolo and Buenos Aires « on: April 06, 2017, 09:00:06 PM »

What more proof could ask for? And there's plenty more "proof".

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2019, 05:19:45 PM »
Quote from: Unconvinced on September 26, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: Crutchwater on September 26, 2019, 08:36:03 AM
Chemtrails are Windex for the dome!

Is the Milky Way just a big smear, where they didn’t wipe it properly?

The Milky Way is a butt print of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who bounced off the dome millennia ago.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2019, 06:08:40 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on September 26, 2019, 02:27:45 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 26, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
So you say!

How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
Water is a chemical.
The trails are therefore made of chemical, hence chemtrails.


Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser
However you seem to think that the trails are made of vapor (vapour). How silly is that? Water vapor is transparent in the visible specrum. The trails are made of condensed water droplets that may or may not have frozen.
Smart Aleck! Is this better?
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?

I see that you think pointing out someone's misconception of a fact is being a smart aleck. Expect to see your behavior called out similarly. And no. High altitude condensation trails are not simply vapor trails. As I said before, water vapor is transparent in the visible.

I suppose it's too much to ask that you would appreciate learning that something you thought was true was a misconception, and that you now had the correct information, and would not continue to repeat over and over something that was not true, rather than snark in reply. But as I've come to learn, you present yourself here as the Corrector-General, the Know-It-All who must be right at all costs, and Lecturer-in-Chief who must spout off on every topic, whether he knows anything about it or not.

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2019, 06:27:53 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 27, 2019, 06:08:40 AM
Is this better?
Quote from: rabinoz on September 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
How about some evidence showing that the ordinary high altitude vapour condensation trails are anything more than simply vapour trails?
I see that you think pointing out someone's misconception of a fact is being a smart aleck. Expect to see your behavior called out similarly. And no. High altitude condensation trails are not simply vapor trails. As I said before, water vapor is transparent in the visible.

Yes, I was incorrect in saying that "condensation trails" were "vapour trails" but they are commonly called "vapour trails", even in the Encyclopaedia Britannica.
Quote from: Encyclopaedia Britannica
Contrail
ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE
Alternative Titles: condensation trail, vapour trail
Contrail, also called condensation trail or vapour trail, streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear cold humid air.

OK, now that you've proven me wrong, a snark and a smart Aleck, now what about something relevant to "Do flat earthers believe in chemtrails?"

Your first post in this thread was distinctly unhelpful:
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.
Especially when you know very well what is meant by chemtrails when conspiracy theorists complaim about chemtrails.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2019, 02:20:36 AM by rabinoz »
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2019, 02:24:55 AM »
I'd like to hear from some of the 5 (at present) who voted Yes.
Particularly if they are thinking something other than "Aircraft sometimes leave trails, and they consist of chemicals".
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2019, 04:52:09 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on September 27, 2019, 06:27:53 PM
Especially when you know very well what is meant by chemtrails when conspiracy theorists complaim about chemtrails.

Even if they were wrong about chemtrails being a mix of carcinogens and blood and other toxic rubbish, dumping copious amounts of water in the stratosphere is damaging to the climate and thus the humans below

There was a significant difference found after the September 11 attacks or when Icelands volcano blew and aircraft was grounded.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2019, 05:18:53 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 04:52:09 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on September 27, 2019, 06:27:53 PM
Especially when you know very well what is meant by chemtrails when conspiracy theorists complaim about chemtrails.

Even if they were wrong about chemtrails being a mix of carcinogens and blood and other toxic rubbish, dumping copious amounts of water in the stratosphere is damaging to the climate and thus the humans below
Have I ever claimed otherwise?

But, you too know very well what is meant by chemtrails when conspiracy theorists complaim about chemtrails and it's not water, CO2 or even nitrogen oxides that they claim.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2019, 04:45:04 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 04:52:09 AM
There was a significant difference found after the September 11 attacks or when Icelands volcano blew and aircraft was grounded.

Do you have more information on this?

I've never heard this, sounds interesting.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2019, 06:23:39 PM »
https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment

 have no idea of the authenticity or credibility of the above but it was the first thing that matched my confirmation bias  8)
« Last Edit: September 28, 2019, 06:27:28 PM by Shifter »
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2019, 07:12:32 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment

 have no idea of the authenticity or credibility of the above but it was the first thing that matched my confirmation bias  8)

So, contrails can cause either a cooling, or warming effect?

My confirmation bias is calling bullshirt!
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2019, 07:41:52 PM »
The rise of commercial airlines contributed to the famines (through climate change) in Africa don't you know.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2019, 02:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 07:41:52 PM
The rise of commercial airlines contributed to the famines (through climate change) in Africa don't you know.

It also caused the end of the last ice age.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2019, 07:59:33 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on September 25, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Of course, chemtrails are real. The evidence for them is overwhelming.

And what is that overwhelming evidence? Youtube videos?

Actually, discarding chemtrails (from the conspiracy point of view) is quite easy using simple logic.

1. There is no airplane in the whole world with such a capacity to carry enough chemicals to spray over such a large area. When you see contrails in the sky you realize that they may be many miles long. This is a one of the biggest firefighting airplanes in the world and as you can see, it sprays it load in just a few seconds.



2. Spraying cities from such a high altitude is a very bad idea. Winds up there could be very strong, so any chemical would be blown away and it wont reach the surface.

3. They say that chemtrails are poisoning and deadful. Just think that countries with more “chemtrails” are usually first world countries. Why? Because air traffic is heavier in those countries. Isn’t it interesting that this sprayed first world countries have the healtiest population and longer life expectance of the world?

4. If they wanted to poison us or cause any desease, it would be a lot easier, efficient, cheaper and discrete to poison our water or food.

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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2019, 04:06:16 AM »
Quote from: Crutchwater on September 28, 2019, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment

 have no idea of the authenticity or credibility of the above but it was the first thing that matched my confirmation bias  8)

So, contrails can cause either a cooling, or warming effect?

My confirmation bias is calling bullshirt!
It is well known that cloud cover keeps things warm.
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Re: Do flat earthers belive in chemtrails?
« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2019, 09:19:01 AM »
Quote from: totallackey on September 30, 2019, 04:06:16 AM
Quote from: Crutchwater on September 28, 2019, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 28, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment

 have no idea of the authenticity or credibility of the above but it was the first thing that matched my confirmation bias  8)

So, contrails can cause either a cooling, or warming effect?

My confirmation bias is calling bullshirt!
It is well known that cloud cover keeps things warm.

Sure, but contrails are rarely, if ever, dense enough to be considered cloud cover.

And that article presented conflicting information...
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