Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?

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MaNaeSWolf

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2020, 11:49:40 AM »
Things haven't changed.
Ah, there is the problem, your stuck in the Past.

Wait until you hear about this miraculous thing called DNA and RNA!
Even more exciting is we have sequenced the RNA of Covid19, and its many mutations all around the world.

But I wont tell you more, Im sure your mind is still exploding from discovering that we have learnt some stuff since 1918.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2020, 12:47:45 PM »
There is little credible evidence that present coronavirus tests are picking up the RNA of a virus alone. The most accurate of these tests to this point is a measure of RNA. Such RNA could come from other sources such as the cells of the patient, bacteria, and other pathogens. For example, there is RNA elements in both mycobacteria and their mycobacteriophages or bacterial viruses which live inside of all virulent mycobacteria such as M. avium and M. tuberculosis, both of which were on the upswing in the Italian peninsula and Wuhan considerably prior to the COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2). This same RNA could also account for the RNA being detected in COVID testing. In the package inserts of all coronavirus RT-PCR test, it is clearly stated that this test will not rule out bacterial or mycobacterial disease. Furthermore any mycobacterial cross-reactivity studies done between M. tuberculosis and COVID-19 by manufacturers have to this point been unclear, ambiguous and incomplete.

Burkert S, Schumann RR. RNA Sensing of Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Its Impact on TBVaccination Strategies. Vaccines (Basel). 2020 Feb 4;8(1). pii: E67.2.
 
Delesalle VA, Tanke NT, Vill AC, Krukonis GP. Testing hypotheses for the presence of tRNA genesin mycobacteriophage genomes. Bacteriophage. 2016; 6(3):e1219441

You must really update your knowledge of microbiology.

Definition

There are four different agents that cause diseases: virus (viral), bacterial, fungal, and protistan. The viral agents pass through the filters, but the bacterial, fungal, and protistan do not.

However, cell-wall-deficient virus-like mycobacterium also can pass through the microfilters.

Crofton was convinced by the confirmation of scientists like Calmette at Pasteur regarding how certain forms of tuberculosis, appearing both minuscule and viral, could pass through the smallest of filters. Crofton himself then established that tuberculosis could disappear into tissues as viruses did, and then go through filters which stopped cold even most ofthose “now invariably called viral disease”. “Surely, then”, Crofton concluded, “Tuberculosis has more right to be considered a true virus than these".

(Dr. William Crofton)

The most comprehensive article on the 1918 disaster, a must read:

https://www.academia.edu/35088077/The_Great_Influenza_Pandemic_What_Really_Happened_in_1918 (published in the Pulmonary Research and Respiratory Care)

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2020, 12:53:49 PM »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2020, 01:03:36 PM »
5G = ripples in the sea of ether (at a higher frequency, thus stronger than 4G)

5G = hertzian waves, shock waves in the air from a transversal ether wave to the next

Tesla waves = non-hertzian waves, longitudinal waves which travel/propagate through the transversal waves, true wireless

What is the connection between the 5G technology and mycobacterium?

https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/04/25/119002/how-bacteria-could-generate-radio-waves/

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3113.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20200406191903/https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/coronavirus-fears-5g-wifi-networks-21728189

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2020, 01:20:30 PM »
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=7400

Influence of transversal hertzian waves on living matter

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2020, 02:25:22 PM »
Such nonsense. Not even worth going into detail.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2020, 03:55:33 PM »
<< Ignored >>
The most comprehensive article on the 1918 disaster, a must read:
The Great Influenza Pandemic: What Really Happened in 1918? (published in the Pulmonary Research and Respiratory Care)
Oh really? And I read:
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Citation: Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer MD. “The Great Influenza Pandemic: What Really Happened in 1918?” Pulmonology Research and Respiratory Care 1.2 (2017): 53-90. DOI: 10.5281 ZENODO. 1044179

Why should I believe what you or Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer MD. write? Look who he quotes from in his introduction, Virologist/Molecular Biologist Dr. Stefan Lanka.

This Dr. Stefan Lanka who denied that measles was a viral disease!
Quote from: MICHAEL HILTZIK, MARCH 20, 2015
A vaccine denier bet $100,000 the measles virus ‘doesn’t exist.’ He lost!
Stefan Lanka is a German biologist with a long history of pseudoscientific outbursts, including a denial that the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV, “exists at all.”

In November 2011 he put his money where his mouth is by offering 100,000 euros (about $106,000) to anyone who could prove that the measles virus exists. His position is that the disease is “a psychosomatic illness” caused by “traumatic separations."

The challenge was taken up by David Bardens, a German doctor who compiled evidence from medical journals proving the disease’s viral cause. When Lanka rejected the evidence, Bardens sued. Last week a German court found Bardens’ evidence persuasive and ordered Lanka to pay. He says he’ll appeal.
And this should also be read: No, German ‘supreme court’ didn’t rule that ‘measles doesn’t exist’

And look at this from your Dr Lawrence  Broxmeyer, MD AIDS:“It’s the bacteria, stupid!” by Lawrence  Broxmeyer, MD   
HIV/AIDS is not a bacterial disease and HIV/AIDS itself does not kill anybody because as its name implies it is an Artificial Immuno Deficiency Syndrome.
What does kill AIDS sufferers is other diseases that their immune systems can no longer resist and TB is a very one. Hence Mycobacterium tuberculosis is often the cause of death.

Sandokhan, you do have a penchant for picking out these off-beat virus deniers like Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer and Dr. Stefan Lanka - why?

But why would anyone believe your claim that the Spanish 'Flu was not a viral 'flu at all when there are plenty of other possibilities?
But I'll go part way and agree that it was almost certainly of Spanish origin?

Why not this more likely scenario for the origin of the "Spanish" 'flu pandemic which was more likely an H1N1 'flu?
1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China, Historians Say

Or this?
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The Mystery of a 1918 Veteran and the Flu Pandemic
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The 1918 flu pandemic killed roughly 40 million people. A century later is an opportune time to consider the possibility of pandemics — infections that go global and affect many people — and the importance of measures aimed at curbing them.
The 1918 pandemic was unusual in that it killed many healthy 20- to 40-year-olds, including millions of World War I soldiers. In contrast, people who die of the flu are usually under five years old or over 75.

The factors underlying the virulence of the 1918 flu are still unclear. Modern-day scientists sequenced the DNA of the 1918 virus[1] from lung samples preserved from victims. However, this did not solve the mystery of why so many healthy young adults were killed.

I started investigating what happened to a young man who immigrated to the U.S. and was lost during World War I. Uncovering his story also brought me up to speed on hypotheses about why the immune systems of young adults in 1918 did not protect them from the flu.

The "Spanish" 'Flu was certainly caused by a virus, apparently a pre-cursor to the H1N1 strain.

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Quote from: Jeffery K. Taubenberger and John C. Kash
Insights on influenza pathogenesis from the grave
Abstract
The 1918–1919 ‘Spanish’ influenza virus caused the worst pandemic in recorded history and resulted in approximately 50 million deaths worldwide. Efforts to understand what happened and to use these insights to prevent a future similar pandemic have been ongoing since 1918. In 2005 the genome of the 1918 influenza virus was completely determined by sequencing fragments of viral RNA preserved in autopsy tissues of 1918 victims, and using reverse genetics, infectious viruses bearing some or all the 1918 virus gene segments were reconstructed. These studies have yielded much information about the origin and pathogenicity of the 1918 virus, but many questions still remain.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2020, 09:23:49 PM »
This is the only accepted definition in microbiology today:

There are four different agents that cause diseases: virus (viral), bacterial, fungal, and protistan. The viral agents pass through the filters, but the bacterial, fungal, and protistan do not.

However, cell-wall-deficient virus-like mycobacterium also can pass through the microfilters.

There is RNA elements in both mycobacteria and their mycobacteriophages or bacterial viruses which live inside of all virulent mycobacteria such as M. avium and M. tuberculosis.

To treat this "virus" Russian and French scientists are using azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine (first line defense for mycobacterium infections).

Leading virologists attest to the fact that BCG works perfectly to treat the "virus".

And yet, we can hear nothing else but "coronavirus" and "Covid-19".

Mycobacteria tuberculosis (TB) acts like a virus. It is a seasonal infection peaking in winter just like cold and flu viruses. While the TB mycobacterium is spread throughout the year, it is only when vitamin D levels are low and the immune system weak that it produces symptoms. It is a cell-wall deficient germ that appears like a virus under a microscope. It attacks the lungs, resulting in inflammation that essentially drowns infected patients who cannot breathe, just like COVID-19 coronavirus is said to do.

The point is that the coronavirus has not been around long enough for in-depth study, and should it prove to be merely a “passenger” virus, secondary to an underlying bacterial or mycobacterial cause, such a microbe, perhaps similar to the Beijing strain of mycobacteria isolated in Milan prior to its COVID-19 outbreak, would then assume the mantel of the true “underlying condition” and not the virus.

Today, although tuberculosis is still a global pandemic, it is still treatable, but only if looked for and considered. What is the cause of the present Pandemic/Epidemic? Most are 98% certain that it is a virus. But until we are 100% certain, which we are not, we still need to keep a differential diagnosis open as to the possibility that we are dealing with a “passenger” virus with a deadly underlying cause. To do otherwise, would be a disservice to many.

Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer


The Spanish flu could not have been caused by a virus, here is the most comprehensive proof possible:

https://www.academia.edu/35088077/The_Great_Influenza_Pandemic_What_Really_Happened_in_1918 (published in the Pulmonary Research and Respiratory Care)

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2020, 09:46:48 PM »
<< Spam depleted. >>
Why do you continually spam the thread with your pseudo-science?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2020, 10:08:59 PM »
Australia's leading scientist in the field agrees with me:

Although trials will start in the Netherlands, Germany and the UK, the Australian arm of the trial will be one of the largest, where 4,000 healthcare workers, doctors and nurses will participate, half of them getting the vaccine and the other half not getting it. Healthcare workers and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to infection and many, many of them have fallen sick or worse from “the virus”. It is projected that some sign of the effectiveness of giving this vaccination designed to combat tuberculosis will be in evidence by 3 months into this study’s trials, with researchers claiming that the vaccine works by somehow “boosting the body’s immune system”.

Australia’s lead investigator Dr. Nigel Curtis said: “If I didn’t think [the TB vaccine] would work, I wouldn’t have been here seven days a week for the last month with a team of 20 people."


Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters, a fact of science.

Mycobacterium has RNA, a fact of science.

Leading Russian and French scientists, the best in the field, agree with me: they are using azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine to treat a "virus", and yet these are first line defense medications for mycobacterium infections.

The pseudo-science lies wholly in your perception and faulty approach to real science.

There were 100+ million victims because of the pseudo-science perpetrated by virologists who had no clue as to what was going on.


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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2020, 11:32:23 PM »
Australia's leading scientist in the field agrees with me:

Although trials will start in the Netherlands, Germany and the UK, the Australian arm of the trial will be one of the largest, where 4,000 healthcare workers, doctors and nurses will participate, half of them getting the vaccine and the other half not getting it. Healthcare workers and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to infection and many, many of them have fallen sick or worse from “the virus”. It is projected that some sign of the effectiveness of giving this vaccination designed to combat tuberculosis will be in evidence by 3 months into this study’s trials, with researchers claiming that the vaccine works by somehow “boosting the body’s immune system”.

Australia’s lead investigator Dr. Nigel Curtis said: “If I didn’t think [the TB vaccine] would work, I wouldn’t have been here seven days a week for the last month with a team of 20 people."
No, he does not!
And you have had the reason explained to you before. Read these for more detail on Dr. Nigel Curtis's work:
Quote from: Melbourne VACCINE EDUCATION Centre
Clinical trial of BCG vaccine against COVID-19 (BRACE)
Led by Professor Nigel Curtis, Researchers at Murdoch Children’s Research Institute are conducting a randomised controlled clinical trial of the BCG vaccine against COVID-19. The study, known as the BRACE trial (BCG vaccination to Reduce the impact of COVID-19 in Australian healthcare workers following Coronavirus Exposure), has been endorsed by the Director-General of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

Designed to provide protection against tuberculosis, the Bacille Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine may also potentially provide immunity to protect against other infections. The purpose of the BRACE trial is to investigate whether or not BCG vaccination protects against COVID-19 or reduces the severity of symptoms of COVID-19 in healthcare workers.

Quote from: Murdoch Children's Research Institute
BCG vaccination to Reduce the impact of COVID-19 in Australian healthcare workers following Coronavirus Exposure (BRACE) Trial
Project Theme: Infection and Immunity
Project Group: Infectious Diseases
This page and the related pages are specifically for healthcare workers at BRACE trial sites.
What is BRACE?

Healthcare workers are at increased risk of contracting COVID-19, caused by SARS-CoV-2. Currently, there are no vaccines or proven preventative interventions available to protect healthcare workers.

The Bacille Calmette-Guérin (BCG) vaccine is designed to protect against tuberculosis (TB). However it also boosts immunity to protect against other infections. The purpose of the BRACE trial is to find out whether BCG vaccination protects against COVID-19 or reduces severity or COVID-19 in Australian healthcare workers.
Why take part:
  • We hope that the BCG vaccine will boost your immune system.  It may also increase your response to the flu vaccine and provide you with non-specific protection to other illnesses..

  • Information we collect in this trial will help to inform how we respond to outbreaks of new viruses in the future.
Dr. Nigel Curtis and the Murdoch Children's Research Institute are in no doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is a virus!

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Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters, a fact of science.

Mycobacterium has RNA, a fact of science.
Who's doubting that "Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters" is "a fact of science" but so what? That does prove that COVID-19 is a mycobacterial disease!

Sure, "Mycobacterium has RNA" is "a fact of science" but Mycobacterium tuberculosis also has DNA and virii do not have DNA.
But that is no evidence that "COVID-19 is a mycobacterial disease". Look, you have two eyes and a goat has two eyes. Does that make you a goat ????


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Leading Russian and French scientists, the best in the field, agree with me: they are using azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine to treat a "virus", and yet these are first line defense medications for mycobacterium infections.
Look, Sandokhan, we've been through this before and both the Russian and French scientists are clear that they know they are dealing with virii and the in Russian case they give the reasons why! Here read it again:
The Russians are using antibiotics to treat a "virus".
No, they are using antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections caused by COVID-19 and these are the cause of many of the deaths!
Read what they actually write, not what you want them to say! Read it again!

Note that malaria is a parasitic disease but the drug Mefloquine is not specifically an anti-parasitic drug. It has a more general action'.
Quote from: STEVE COWAN, MARCH 28, 2020
Russia has created a drug for the treatment of coronavirus
The FMBA of Russia presented the antimalarial drug “Mefloquine” for the treatment of coronavirus infection.

“The research and production center of the FMBA of Russia, taking into account the Chinese and French experience, has developed a treatment regimen for coronavirus infection based on the antimalarial drug mefloquine,” the press service noted.

“The drug with high selectivity blocks the cytopathic effect of the coronavirus in cell culture and prevents its replication, and the immunosuppressive effect of mefloquine prevents the activation of the inflammatory response caused by the virus. The addition of macrolide antibiotics and synthetic penicillin not only prevents the formation of a secondary bacterial-viral syndrome but also increases the concentration of antiviral agents in the blood plasma and lungs. This will ensure effective treatment of patients with various degrees of coronavirus infection,” said Veronika Skvortsova, head of the FMBA of Russia.

This will ensure the effective treatment of patients with COVID-19 of varying severity.

Also, based on mefloquine, an effective and safe scheme for the prevention of coronavirus infection is being developed.
The virus kills the bodies cells but that cell death is of itself the cause of the most severe symptoms. The dead virus-containing cells appear as foreign matter to the body and can cause a "cytokine storm - that can both sicken and kill patients who are infected with certain strains of flu virus" - that is for the 'flu virus but the SARS-CoV-2 can provoke the same response.

And, as written above, "the immunosuppressive effect of mefloquine prevents the activation of the inflammatory response caused by the virus" - it suppresses this cytokine storm.

So the mefloquine does not protect against the virus itself but against this secondary effect.

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The pseudo-science lies wholly in your perception and faulty approach to real science.
Nope! You can't even read and understand you quoted references so no wonder your ideas are all screwed up!

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There were 100+ million victims because of the pseudo-science perpetrated by virologists who had no clue as to what was going on.
Rubbish, but the real damage will be done by the conspiracy theorists like Bill Sardi, David Icke and the crazies that claim that 5G creates the SARS-CoV-2 virus!

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2020, 11:43:22 PM »
You guys seem to having fun going at each other, so I am not going to engage too much.

But there is some evidence that TB vaccine works, but it has not been conclusive yet.

HOWTHEFUCKEVER - It does not mean it is TB causing the deaths, Sandy is the only one saying this.
It just means (IF it is really true that the TB vaccine helps) there is some other mechanism that allows the bodies immune system to better protect itself from Covid19.
Correlation does not infer causation.
The body is complicated, lots of shit is happening all at once and it takes a long time to understand what is all happening.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2020, 11:56:36 PM »
You can't eradicate a virus with BCG and antibiotics.

Everyone is laughing at you.

The story with the "immune system" is a cover for the real mechanism at work.

"In nature there is a phenomena which happens probably millions of times a day in which one colony of bacteria or mycobacteria sends out its viral phages (bacteriophages or mycobacteriophages) that live inside it to kill another colony of the same type of organism......a sort of natural lysogeny. The bacterialviruses called phages are the most plentiful viruses on earth. But they are species specific in that they only attack like species. The Mycobacterium bovis in BCG are closely related to and in fact part of the Mycobacterium tuberculosis complex. Therefore, the phages inside BCG have the potential to destroy TB and other related mycobacteria.

The destruction of TB bacilli in the body is in and of itself “bolstering the immune system”, as there is no other microbe known to man that is quite as immunosuppressive.

And that is exactly how BCG works  ̶  not against "a virus" and not through “training” or “bolstering” the immune system, but by BCG (Mycobacterium bovis) shooting off phages to kill closely related mycobacteria or mycobacterial colonization, latent or active, in the system. Since phages are species specific, they are often used for diagnostic purposes. So just the mere successful use of dilute mycobacteria (BCG) with its mycobacteriophages is evidence in itself that the target, the coronavirus, is not of a spontaneous occurrence, but a mycobacterial generated disease."


BCG is for mycobacterium, NOT for viruses.

Who's doubting that "Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters" is "a fact of science" but so what? That does prove that COVID-19 is a mycobacterial disease!

Sure, "Mycobacterium has RNA" is "a fact of science" but Mycobacterium tuberculosis also has DNA and virii do not have DNA.


and virii do not have DNA.

You are now a champion of pseudo-science.

Totally screwed up ideas.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21523/

This alone disqualifies you from any further discussion here.

You have just proven that you haven't got a clue as to what we are talking about.

and virii do not have DNA.

Textbook on microbiology/virology:

The simplest viruses contain only enough RNA or DNA to encode four proteins. The most complex can encode 100 – 200 proteins.

In many cases, DNA viruses utilize cellular enzymes for synthesis of their DNA genomes and mRNAs; all viruses utilize normal cellular ribosomes, tRNAs, and translation factors for synthesis of their proteins.

Similarly, much information about the mechanism of DNA replication has come from studies with bacterial cells and animal cells infected with simple DNA viruses, since these viruses depend almost entirely on cellular proteins to replicate their DNA.

http://dnaftb.org/18/

Bacteria and viruses have DNA too.

https://eol.org/docs/discover/viruses

All viruses have genes constructed from either deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) or ribonucleic acid (RNA)—long helical molecules that carry genetic information.


Why should I believe what you or Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer MD. write?

Because you have just proven that you don't know d*ck about virology.


Here is the ultimate proof that the 1918 spanish flu was caused by tuberculosis:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740912/

The 1918 Influenza Epidemic's Effects on Sex Differentials in Mortality in the United States

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2020, 02:59:51 AM »
You can't eradicate a virus with BCG and antibiotics.
Please learn to read what is written!
Nobody is claiming that you can eradicate SARS-CoV-2 with BCG and antibiotics only that they assist with the treatment of COVID-19.

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The story with the "immune system" is a cover for the real mechanism at work.

So you say!

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<< Irrelevant because BCG does not "vaccinate" against SARS-CoV-2 >>


BCG is for mycobacterium, NOT for viruses.

You still don't understand why BCG and Mefloquine assist in the treatment of COVID-19.
Read this again! Russia presents trial to fight against Covid-19
As I said before, you don't even read and understand you own references!

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Who's doubting that "Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters" is "a fact of science" but so what? That does prove that COVID-19 is a mycobacterial disease!

Sure, "Mycobacterium has RNA" is "a fact of science" but Mycobacterium tuberculosis also has DNA and virii do not have DNA.
You are now a champion of pseudo-science.
Totally screwed up ideas.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21523/
This alone disqualifies you from any further discussion here.
You have just proven that you haven't got a clue as to what we are talking about.
No! One case where I was not specific does not disqualify me from any further discussion here.
If one such case was enough you'd be disqualified long ago for claiming that is not caused by the virus, SARS-CoV-2.

Now read this! "Although SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus" from Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes

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Why should I believe what you or Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer MD. write?
Because you have just proven that you don't know d*ck about virology.
No, you haven't but you claim that SARS-CoV-2 is an not "RNA virus".

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Here is the ultimate proof that the 1918 spanish flu was caused by tuberculosis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740912/
The 1918 Influenza Epidemic's Effects on Sex Differentials in Mortality in the United States
No that's certainly not any sort of "proof that the 1918 spanish flu was caused by tuberculosis"!
Because the virus causing the 1918 "Spanish" flu pandemic has been sequenced and it was certainly not a by mycobacterium tuberculosis but by a pre-cursor to H1N1 flu.

Quote from: JEFFERY K. TAUBENBERGER, Chairman NCBI
The Origin and Virulence of the 1918 “Spanish” Influenza Virus
Abstract
The “Spanish” influenza pandemic of 1918–19 caused acute illness in 25–30 percent of the world’s population and resulted in the death of up to an estimated 40 million people. Using fixed and frozen lung tissue of 1918 influenza victims, the complete genomic sequence of the 1918 influenza virus has been deduced. Sequence and phylogenetic analysis of the completed 1918 influenza virus genes shows them to be the most avian-like among the mammalian-adapted viruses.
This finding supports the hypotheses that (1) the pandemic virus contains genes derived from avian-like influenza virus strains and that (2) the 1918 virus is the common ancestor of human and classical swine H1N1 influenza viruses.
So, based on that, Why should anyone believe what you or Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer MD. write?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2020, 03:27:38 AM »
You are not qualified to talk to Dr. Broxmeyer's assistant.

You are the inspector Clouseau of this forum.

Not even a crackpot would stoop so low as to claim that viruses do not contain DNA.

But you did.

In less than three hours, you have managed to disquality yourself, yet again, from this discussion.

Now read this! "Although SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus" from Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes

The love of your life, SARS-Cov-2 does have DNA.



APL biologist Tom Mehoke reviews the DNA sequencing analysis of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, at the molecular diagnostics laboratory at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/02/sequencing-genome-sars-cov-2/

You don't know d*ck about virology.

Yet, here you are issuing forth proclamations and words like "rubbish", which causes the readers of your messages to question your sanity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

A next generation sequencing (NGS) library was constructed after amplifying the full-length genes of the isolates using the synthesized cDNA and primers designed based on published SARS-CoV-2 DNA sequence.


You seem to be the last person on Earth, writing from your hut down in Australia, to find out that viruses do contain DNA.






Who's doubting that "Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters" is "a fact of science" but so what? That does prove that COVID-19 is a mycobacterial disease!

Sure, "Mycobacterium has RNA" is "a fact of science" but Mycobacterium tuberculosis also has DNA and virii do not have DNA.


and virii do not have DNA.


and virii do not have DNA.


In fact, all viruses feature DNA, the exact opposite of what you just stated.


You must listen to what Dr. Broxmeyer and other real scientists have to say, since you have proven, by your own statements, that you are an ignoramus with respect to virology in particular, and to science in general.


and virii do not have DNA.


Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2020, 04:04:12 AM »
virii do not have DNA.
BWAHAHAHA!!!

Why are you allowed to remain posting on this forum!
https://www.livescience.com/53272-what-is-a-virus.html
"Viruses teeter on the boundaries of what is considered life. On one hand, they contain the key elements that make up all living organisms: the nucleic acids, DNA or RNA..."

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2020, 04:48:21 AM »
virii do not have DNA.
BWAHAHAHA!!!

Why are you allowed to remain posting on this forum!
https://www.livescience.com/53272-what-is-a-virus.html
"Viruses teeter on the boundaries of what is considered life. On one hand, they contain the key elements that make up all living organisms: the nucleic acids, DNA or RNA..."
Some viruses, for example SARS-CoV-2 are RNA viruses and do not contain any DNA, only RNA. Here is a list of some:
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RNA virus/Representative species
Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS), Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS), hepatitis C virus, hepatitis E virus, Influenza A virus, Influenza B virus, Human orthopneumovirus, Human Metapneumovirus, Zika virus, Dengue virus, Rabies lyssavirus, Measles morbillivirus, West Nile virus, Yellow fever virus, Coxsackievirus, Human coronavirus 229E, Ebola virus, Human coronavirus HKU1, Flavivirus Tick-borne encephalitis virus etc,  etc.
Gee, Totallackey, I seem to have listed most common and uncommon viral diseases though not the Variola virus, a double-stranded DNA virus.

So I did say that "virii do not have DNA" and a large number of the viruses that infect humans are RNA viruses including the one relevant to this discussion, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

So, unless you have something constructive to offer, butt out!



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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2020, 05:03:07 AM »
Some viruses, for example SARS-CoV-2 are RNA viruses and do not contain any DNA, only RNA. Here is a list of some:

You do qualify to walk Dr. Broxmeyer's dog.

But that's about it.



APL biologist Tom Mehoke reviews the DNA sequencing analysis of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, at the molecular diagnostics laboratory at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/02/sequencing-genome-sars-cov-2/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

A next generation sequencing (NGS) library was constructed after amplifying the full-length genes of the isolates using the synthesized cDNA and primers designed based on published SARS-CoV-2 DNA sequence.

RNA viruses have RNA and use it to make DNA. This leads to a truly mind-boggling ability: the DNA these viruses make can become permanently incorporated into the DNA of the host cells, a process called transduction. That means when infected cells reproduce, they automatically carry the viral DNA, and automatically produce new viral packets.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2020, 05:16:26 AM »
So, unless you have something constructive to offer, butt out!
I think it is highly constructive to offer that you wrote this:
virii do not have DNA.
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron from Australia is trying to peddle BS...

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2020, 05:24:56 AM »
How to tell when an argument is falling apart.

- People spend more time discussing definitions and semantics than content
- People start name calling
- People start calling out spelling and grammar errors

You guys are 2 for 3, almost there.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2020, 05:37:58 AM »
How to tell when an argument is falling apart.

- People spend more time discussing definitions and semantics than content
- People start name calling
- People start calling out spelling and grammar errors

You guys are 2 for 3, almost there.
You made it three out of all three.

What rab wrote is content that was false.

Congrats on trying to bury it with your totally non-topical contribution.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2020, 05:42:58 AM »
You are not qualified to talk to Dr. Broxmeyer's assistant.
I wouldn't want to be Dr. Broxmeyer's assistant because I have shown him to be mistaken on a number of points!
  • He claims that COVID-19 is caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis but as I have shown from many sources the cause of COVID-19 is the  SARS-CoV-2, a virus!

  • He claims that the so-called "Spanish" flu of 1918 was aslo caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis or some similar bacterium.
    But the Chairman of the NCBI, JEFFERY K. TAUBENBERGER, disagrees as I quoted in The Origin and Virulence of the 1918 “Spanish” Influenza Virus where he states that the " the complete genomic sequence of the 1918 influenza virus has been deduced" and "pandemic virus contains genes derived from avian-like influenza virus strains and that (2) the 1918 virus is the common ancestor of human and classical swine H1N1 influenza viruses".
    I'd believe him before you and your Dr. Broxmeyer.
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You are the inspector Clouseau of this forum.
Not even a crackpot would stoop so low as to claim that viruses do not contain DNA.
But you did.
And if you knew anything about human and animal viral diseases you would realise that a great number of relevant viruses are indeed RNA viruses, for example:
"Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS), Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS), hepatitis C virus, hepatitis E virus, Influenza A virus, Influenza B virus, Human orthopneumovirus, Human Metapneumovirus, Zika virus, Dengue virus, Rabies lyssavirus, Measles morbillivirus, West Nile virus, Yellow fever virus, Coxsackievirus, Human coronavirus 229E, Ebola virus, Human coronavirus HKU1, Flavivirus Tick-borne encephalitis virus etc,  etc."

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In less than three hours, you have managed to disquality yourself, yet again, from this discussion.

Now read this! "Although SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus" from Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes
The love of your life, SARS-Cov-2 does have DNA.
Nope! You are quite wrong there too! You didn't read this! "Although SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus" from Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes
Where it said:
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Materials and Methods
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Although SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, the deposited sequences, by convention, are in DNA format.

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APL biologist Tom Mehoke reviews the DNA sequencing analysis of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, at the molecular diagnostics laboratory at Johns Hopkins Hospital.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/02/sequencing-genome-sars-cov-2/
You don't know d*ck about virology.
Nope, you have proven that you "don't know d*ck about virology" by not knowing that while "SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus" the deposited sequences, by convention, are in DNA format when I even gave you the reference that explained it.
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Yet, here you are issuing forth proclamations and words like "rubbish", which causes the readers of your messages to question your sanity.
And I stand by that because you are simply proving yourself incapable of understanding you own references and refusing to read the ones that I post.
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<< COrrect but now irrelevant! >>
You seem to be the last person on Earth, writing from . . .  down in Australia, to find out that viruses do contain DNA.
But, may I remind you that the viruses that cause a great number of human viral diseases, including SARS-CoV-2 that is the cause of COVID-2 are, in fact, RNA Viruses!

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In fact, all viruses feature DNA, the exact opposite of what you just stated.
In fact, you are totally incorrect to claim that "all viruses feature DNA"! Just remember that "I have a little list": "Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS), Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS), hepatitis C virus, hepatitis E virus, Influenza A virus, Influenza B virus, Human orthopneumovirus, Human Metapneumovirus, Zika virus, Dengue virus, Rabies lyssavirus, Measles morbillivirus, West Nile virus, Yellow fever virus, Coxsackievirus, Human coronavirus 229E, Ebola virus, Human coronavirus HKU1, Flavivirus Tick-borne encephalitis virus etc,  etc."

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You must listen to what Dr. Broxmeyer and other real scientists have to say.
No, I do not because, as I have shown before your Dr. Broxmeyer is not correct on a number of points. Do I have to repeat:
  • He claims that COVID-19 is caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis but as I have shown from many sources the cause of COVID-19 is the  SARS-CoV-2, a virus!

  • He claims that the so-called "Spanish" flu of 1918 was aslo caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis or some similar bacterium.
    But the Chairman of the NCBI, JEFFERY K. TAUBENBERGER, disagrees as I quoted in The Origin and Virulence of the 1918 “Spanish” Influenza Virus where he states that the " the complete genomic sequence of the 1918 influenza virus has been deduced" and "pandemic virus contains genes derived from avian-like influenza virus strains and that (2) the 1918 virus is the common ancestor of human and classical swine H1N1 influenza viruses".
    I'd believe the Chairman of the NCBI, JEFFERY K. TAUBENBERGER before you and your Dr. Broxmeyer.

Now stop posting your pseudo-science about COVID-19 being caused by  Mycobacterium tuberculosis and not by the SARS-CoV-2, a virus, as all real virologist agree!

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2020, 05:46:05 AM »
So, unless you have something constructive to offer, butt out!
I think it is highly constructive to offer that you wrote this:
virii do not have DNA.
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron from Australia is trying to peddle BS...
Should I quote the moron who claimed the COVID-2 is caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis and the "Spanish" flu caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis or a similar bacterium?
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron who claims to be "Flat Earth Sultan and Flat Earth Scientist" is trying to peddle BS.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2020, 05:50:25 AM »
What rab wrote is content that was false.
And this that Sandokhan wrote is totally wrong:
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In fact, all viruses feature DNA, the exact opposite of what you just stated.
How do you like them apples ;D, Mr Totallackey? Now if you have nothing useful to add butt out and let Sandokhan make a bigger fool of himself!

Night night, must be off to bed ;D!

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2020, 05:51:55 AM »
You don't know d*ck about virology.



APL biologist Tom Mehoke reviews the DNA sequencing analysis of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, at the molecular diagnostics laboratory at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/02/sequencing-genome-sars-cov-2/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

A next generation sequencing (NGS) library was constructed after amplifying the full-length genes of the isolates using the synthesized cDNA and primers designed based on published SARS-CoV-2 DNA sequence.

RNA viruses have RNA and use it to make DNA. This leads to a truly mind-boggling ability: the DNA these viruses make can become permanently incorporated into the DNA of the host cells, a process called transduction. That means when infected cells reproduce, they automatically carry the viral DNA, and automatically produce new viral packets.


All viruses carry DNA.

A fact of science.


and virii do not have DNA.


Not even the worst crackpot would stoop so low as to claim that viruses do not have DNA.


There is NO SOURCE able to claim, 100%, that SARS-Cov-2 is responsible for the current outbreak. Mycobacterium have RNA, and also pass through microfilters. To ignore this crucial fact is pseudo-science.

BCG and azithromycin treat and cure TB, not a virus.

Stop peddling BS to your readers.

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2020, 05:58:40 AM »
So, unless you have something constructive to offer, butt out!
I think it is highly constructive to offer that you wrote this:
virii do not have DNA.
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron from Australia is trying to peddle BS...
Should I quote the moron who claimed the COVID-2 is caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis and the "Spanish" flu caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis or a similar bacterium?
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron who claims to be "Flat Earth Sultan and Flat Earth Scientist" is trying to peddle BS.
What the fuck is COVID - 2?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2020, 06:02:38 AM »
So, unless you have something constructive to offer, butt out!
I think it is highly constructive to offer that you wrote this:
virii do not have DNA.
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron from Australia is trying to peddle BS...
Should I quote the moron who claimed the COVID-2 is caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis and the "Spanish" flu caused by the Mycobacterium tuberculosis or a similar bacterium?
I mean, it is important for readers to know that a moron who claims to be "Flat Earth Sultan and Flat Earth Scientist" is trying to peddle BS.
What the fuck is COVID - 2?

COVID - 2!

LOL!!!!

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2020, 07:03:17 AM »
The latest clinical study from Dr. Didier Raoult:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/trumps-miracle-drug-french-study-1000-patients-including-seniors-see-98-success-rate-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-regimen/



1.061 patients, 98% survival/improvement

http://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Table_final_website_IHU_09_04_2020.pdf

@raoult_didier experience with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin in 1061 consecutive hospitalized covid19 pts: 98% virologically cured

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2020, 07:14:59 AM »
Australia's leading scientist in the field agrees with me:

Although trials will start in the Netherlands, Germany and the UK, the Australian arm of the trial will be one of the largest, where 4,000 healthcare workers, doctors and nurses will participate, half of them getting the vaccine and the other half not getting it. Healthcare workers and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to infection and many, many of them have fallen sick or worse from “the virus”. It is projected that some sign of the effectiveness of giving this vaccination designed to combat tuberculosis will be in evidence by 3 months into this study’s trials, with researchers claiming that the vaccine works by somehow “boosting the body’s immune system”.

Australia’s lead investigator Dr. Nigel Curtis said: “If I didn’t think [the TB vaccine] would work, I wouldn’t have been here seven days a week for the last month with a team of 20 people."


Mycobacterium also pass through microfilters, a fact of science.

Mycobacterium has RNA, a fact of science.

Leading Russian and French scientists, the best in the field, agree with me: they are using azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine to treat a "virus", and yet these are first line defense medications for mycobacterium infections.

The pseudo-science lies wholly in your perception and faulty approach to real science.

There were 100+ million victims because of the pseudo-science perpetrated by virologists who had no clue as to what was going on.

He did not claim it was tb, he is just using the vaccine.

Completely different than what you claim.

You still live up to your reputation of miss quote and miss representing research.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2020, 07:24:50 AM »
The latest clinical study from Dr. Didier Raoult:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/trumps-miracle-drug-french-study-1000-patients-including-seniors-see-98-success-rate-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-regimen/



1.061 patients, 98% survival/improvement

http://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Table_final_website_IHU_09_04_2020.pdf

@raoult_didier experience with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin in 1061 consecutive hospitalized covid19 pts: 98% virologically cured

As already explained to you multiple times. The immune system of an infected person is weakened and something simple often comes along and kills them. If you use antibiotics then the chance of a bacteria getting them is lowered. It’s no surprise it helps.

Nothing indicates the drugs went after the virus.

Why don’t you quote one of the scientists saying “SARS-cov-2 is a bacterium”?
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