HAPPY HOAX ANNIVERSARY!!! (Rockets can't fly in a vacuum)

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

no
i'm NOT talking about reactionary work.
i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Wait, im confused by your logic now. Maybe because I have not read this whole thread, there is a lot.

But if vacuums cant exist. And rockets dont work in vacuums.

Your saying rockets work in space!

I think we are making progress

Correct, you are confused because I've never said rockets work in space. Are you part of a tag team or are you actually just one person who changes names?

If none of these then show me where I said what you think I said?

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

no
i'm NOT talking about reactionary work.
i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Right
You told us.
And then you gave the analogy of people getting off a bus.
If they canget off the bus, the bus is then empty.
Your analogy.
That contradicts the sponge analogy.

Correct, you are confused because I've never said rockets work in space. Are you part of a tag team or are you actually just one person who changes names?

If none of these then show me where I said what you think I said?

Sorry, I was not clear.

By your reasoning, you implied rockets work in the region that we describe as space.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

no
i'm NOT talking about reactionary work.
i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Right
You told us.
And then you gave the analogy of people getting off a bus.
If they canget off the bus, the bus is then empty.
Your analogy.
That contradicts the sponge analogy.

You don't have a clue.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 07:49:32 AM

Correct, you are confused because I've never said rockets work in space. Are you part of a tag team or are you actually just one person who changes names?

If none of these then show me where I said what you think I said?

Sorry, I was not clear.

By your reasoning, you implied rockets work in the region that we describe as space.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate your reasoning about my reasoning because you're totally wrong but feel free to bring up where I said what you reasoned I implied.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 07:51:38 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

no
i'm NOT talking about reactionary work.
i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Right
You told us.
And then you gave the analogy of people getting off a bus.
If they canget off the bus, the bus is then empty.
Your analogy.
That contradicts the sponge analogy.

You don't have a clue.

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

Don't cherry pick quotes and then make them look like something they're not.

I'm not cherry picking anything.
I am providing enough to show that it doesn't answer my question.

How about instead of just providing the full useless quote again you highlight just where in it my question is answered?

You seem to just be doing whatever you can to avoid an extremely simple question, all because you know this extremely simple question destroys your claims.

Again, care to answer it?
What is the gas PUSHING off to allow it to move? What is it using as LEVERAGE? And why doesn't the equivalent work for the rocket to allow it to move.

Can you even attempt to answer it?

Telling me it can't stay in the tube because there is a vacuum is not answering the question as that does not identify what the gas is using as leverage to move.
Telling me it is expanding is not answering the question as that does not identify what the gas is using as leverage to move.
Saying what happens in the atmosphere is not answering the question as that is talking about a completely different issue.
Providing a one or two word response is not answering the question as that does not explain why the equivalent doesn't work for the rocket.


Until you actually tell me what the gas is pushing off in this situation to allow it to move out of the rocket and into the vacuum, and also address why this doesn't work for the rocket or also result in the rocket moving you have failed to answer the question.

So again, what is the gas pushing off and why doesn't that mean the rocket will move as well?

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

No
You never explained.

Are air molecules fixed size people in a bus that can come and go?

Or
Are the sponge people expandable in size but cant leave the bus?

Or
Are the sponge people able to lwave the bus and expand ( both)?

Quote from: JackBlack on November 28, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 01:31:47 AM

So why are you arguing with me?

Because unlike you I actually care about the truth.

Let's just leave it there.

In other words, you do not "care about the truth". I figured that out years ago!

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

Stop pretending that you can dream up your own "Theory of everything" and expect it to describe reality.

Research and experimental evidence are absolutely necessary to get even a basic understanding of "how things work".

Learn something from those that know far more than you: 11.1: A Molecular Comparison of Gases, Liquids, and Solids .

No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Incorrect!
You only dreamt up you weird ideas because you believe the Earth to be flat and then simply have to invent hypotheses to explain away evidence against your belief.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:24:17 AM

Don't cherry pick quotes and then make them look like something they're not.

I'm not cherry picking anything.
I am providing enough to show that it doesn't answer my question.

How about instead of just providing the full useless quote again you highlight just where in it my question is answered?

You seem to just be doing whatever you can to avoid an extremely simple question, all because you know this extremely simple question destroys your claims.

Again, care to answer it?
What is the gas PUSHING off to allow it to move? What is it using as LEVERAGE? And why doesn't the equivalent work for the rocket to allow it to move.

Can you even attempt to answer it?

Telling me it can't stay in the tube because there is a vacuum is not answering the question as that does not identify what the gas is using as leverage to move.
Telling me it is expanding is not answering the question as that does not identify what the gas is using as leverage to move.
Saying what happens in the atmosphere is not answering the question as that is talking about a completely different issue.
Providing a one or two word response is not answering the question as that does not explain why the equivalent doesn't work for the rocket.


Until you actually tell me what the gas is pushing off in this situation to allow it to move out of the rocket and into the vacuum, and also address why this doesn't work for the rocket or also result in the rocket moving you have failed to answer the question.

So again, what is the gas pushing off and why doesn't that mean the rocket will move as well?

Refer back to the answers I gave and stop pretending you didn't get answers.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

No
You never explained.

Are air molecules fixed size people in a bus that can come and go?

Or
Are the sponge people expandable in size but cant leave the bus?

Or
Are the sponge people able to lwave the bus and expand ( both)?

At no time did I ever use sponge people so stop trying to twist it all and cast it out in the way you're doing.
If you can't marry up an analogy for one thing then don;t even try to add two together.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:25:27 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on November 28, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 01:31:47 AM

So why are you arguing with me?

Because unlike you I actually care about the truth.

Let's just leave it there.

In other words, you do not "care about the truth". I figured that out years ago!

This tactic is used by the likes of you all of the time. I understand the underhand ways you try to shut down alternate theories to your mainstream narratives.

The truth is you are not looking for anything other than keeping the narratives set in mainstream and it's you that doesn't seem to care about finding the truth and I figured that out years ago.

Now where do we go from here? A slagging match?
Tit for tat insults?

This is your game and I won't be playing it too often. I'm merely letting you know that I know your game.
Do carry on though, it's your mission.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

Stop pretending that you can dream up your own "Theory of everything" and expect it to describe reality.

It's not just about dreaming, it's about seeing things in life visually/physically and understanding why things work and realising what you were told is not entirely the truth and is only a theory itself.
That's the difference and you can't deny that.

Research and experimental evidence are absolutely necessary to get even a basic understanding of "how things work".

Yep and in many cases experimental evidence shows reality and sometimes it doesn't, so a theory as to what's happening comes to the fore to explain it, such as gravity and all kinds of other descriptions in order to make fantasies appear to work...such as space rockets and all stuff pertaining to that fantasy as one full instance.
This is why I figured out the alternative that does fit but I'm certainly not expecting anyone to accept it when the narrative has already been set en-masse.

Learn something from those that know far more than you: 11.1: A Molecular Comparison of Gases, Liquids, and Solids .

I have no doubt many many people know far more than me on many many subjects.
What I'm arguing about is my theory that fits better the way I see it and conduct the experiments from it, that what I'm told and sold by mainstream so called scientists pushing certain ways something works when it clearly does not. Which brings us back to space rockets again as a major instance.

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No vacuums can exist and it shouldn't really be hard to understand why.
So that rules out your space rockets and the space you believed you knew.

Incorrect!
You only dreamt up you weird ideas because you believe the Earth to be flat and then simply have to invent hypotheses to explain away evidence against your belief.

Essentially the world has to be flat in the walk upon it sense and water sense and for that to be the case it must have a covering.
It does. It has a dome and everything works with that notion, without having to add in nonsense like black holes and axis spinning and people walking on top of a ball with buildings just managing to be perfectly plumb and water just happening to be perfectly level and can also be used as a level and yet we're told it's all really curving, when our own logic and physical observations tell us otherwise.... all the rest of the utter garbage spouted by those whose job it is to reel it all off with words spouted to make your globe appear to be a working model in so called space.

So don't talk to me about dreamt up stuff.

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

By first making it smaller.

How do you make a sponge ball in a clenched fist get bigger?

Quote from: Stash on November 28, 2019, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

By first making it smaller.

How do you make a sponge ball in a clenched fist get bigger?

I mean, how is that actually achieved on the molecular-chemical level?

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 01:31:42 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

No
You never explained.

Are air molecules fixed size people in a bus that can come and go?

Or
Are the sponge people expandable in size but cant leave the bus?

Or
Are the sponge people able to lwave the bus and expand ( both)?

At no time did I ever use sponge people so stop trying to twist it all and cast it out in the way you're doing.
If you can't marry up an analogy for one thing then don;t even try to add two together.

You said air is like a sponge.

Then you said air is like pelple in a bus.

So clarify how air behaves.
That is the question.

Quote from: Stash on November 28, 2019, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

By first making it smaller.

How do you make a sponge ball in a clenched fist get bigger?

You un clench your fist and air fills in the pockets if the sponge.
So what fills in the pockets of an air molecuke?

I mean, how is that actually achieved on the molecular-chemical level?

I told you. Think of the gobstopper.
This below.


See the layers?
Imagine this to be a super dense molecular set of layers in a super dense material. Note the amount of layers but also note how the layers are super small in the centre and super expanded, compared, on the outer layers.

Think of this bunch of layered molecules as part of a material/element of something that's been squashed/compressed to mammoth proportions.


If we want to look at gas molecules we'd simply look at the same gobstopper mindset and picture it with a hell of a lot of less layers.

It takes some getting your head around and can;t simply be explained like this in one fell swoop but you need to get the gist of what I'm saying if you want to understand further and I'll know this by what you type, whether it's worth answering so put some effort in if you're serious.
Nobody's asking you to accept it, just to understand it from my side.

I'm also not interested in you or anyone telling me it's wrong so don't bother with that stuff.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 09:54:24 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 01:31:42 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

No
You never explained.

Are air molecules fixed size people in a bus that can come and go?

Or
Are the sponge people expandable in size but cant leave the bus?

Or
Are the sponge people able to lwave the bus and expand ( both)?

At no time did I ever use sponge people so stop trying to twist it all and cast it out in the way you're doing.
If you can't marry up an analogy for one thing then don;t even try to add two together.

You said air is like a sponge.

Then you said air is like pelple in a bus.

So clarify how air behaves.
That is the question.

I gave you simple analogies and yet you act like you can;t grasp them and yet you use people in banks as your analogies.
don't waste my time, or your time with this clap trap.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2019, 01:08:50 AM

Quote from: Stash on November 28, 2019, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

By first making it smaller.

How do you make a sponge ball in a clenched fist get bigger?

You un clench your fist and air fills in the pockets if the sponge.
So what fills in the pockets of an air molecuke?

Other trapped elements/gases.
It's all about what can be released against whatever it's released against.

You habent explained anhthing.
Youve explained each analogy individualky.
But together? No.
So im left to assume they can be combined.
feel free to clarify.
You havent
Youve complained.
Definitely habent clarified.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 29, 2019, 01:37:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 09:54:24 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 01:31:42 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

And ive asked for clarification.
But you avoided.

No; I've not avoided anything. I've explained but you either have no clue or you're deliberately trying to twist it to suit yourself.
By all means do this but it gains you nothing.

No
You never explained.

Are air molecules fixed size people in a bus that can come and go?

Or
Are the sponge people expandable in size but cant leave the bus?

Or
Are the sponge people able to lwave the bus and expand ( both)?

At no time did I ever use sponge people so stop trying to twist it all and cast it out in the way you're doing.
If you can't marry up an analogy for one thing then don;t even try to add two together.

You said air is like a sponge.

Then you said air is like pelple in a bus.

So clarify how air behaves.
That is the question.

I gave you simple analogies and yet you act like you can;t grasp them and yet you use people in banks as your analogies.
don't waste my time, or your time with this clap trap.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 29, 2019, 01:38:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2019, 01:08:50 AM

Quote from: Stash on November 28, 2019, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 28, 2019, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 28, 2019, 05:19:46 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 28, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

i'm TALKING about the existence of vaccuums which you said don't exist.

They don't exist and I've told you exactly why.
Remember no free space?
Remember all molecules are attached?

How can all molecules be attached when molecules do not change in size yet their volume is far less than the volume of space that they occupy.

They do change in size. Think gobstopper and the peel. If you paid attention you'd understand.... if you're honest.

How do you make a molecule get bigger?

By first making it smaller.

How do you make a sponge ball in a clenched fist get bigger?

You un clench your fist and air fills in the pockets if the sponge.
So what fills in the pockets of an air molecuke?

Other trapped elements/gases.
It's all about what can be released against whatever it's released against.

We re talking about air.
If other elements move in to fill an air molecule, it changes the composition of air.
What are these elements and where do they come from?

Say in a sealed piston container that doesnt allow air to pass through.
Piston is left at half position and filled with air.
Lets say we get a really strong machine to pull the piston to full position.
Since its sealed and air tight, no air goss in.
What elements then can fill in the gaps of a sponge air inside the piston to essentially double its size/ volume?

How does your gobbstopper theory explain suction cups?

Quote from: Stash on November 29, 2019, 01:25:48 AM

I mean, how is that actually achieved on the molecular-chemical level?

I told you. Think of the gobstopper.
This below.


See the layers?
Imagine this to be a super dense molecular set of layers in a super dense material. Note the amount of layers but also note how the layers are super small in the centre and super expanded, compared, on the outer layers.

Think of this bunch of layered molecules as part of a material/element of something that's been squashed/compressed to mammoth proportions.


If we want to look at gas molecules we'd simply look at the same gobstopper mindset and picture it with a hell of a lot of less layers.

It takes some getting your head around and can;t simply be explained like this in one fell swoop but you need to get the gist of what I'm saying if you want to understand further and I'll know this by what you type, whether it's worth answering so put some effort in if you're serious.
Nobody's asking you to accept it, just to understand it from my side.

I'm also not interested in you or anyone telling me it's wrong so don't bother with that stuff.

Quote from: Stash on November 29, 2019, 01:25:48 AM

I mean, how is that actually achieved on the molecular-chemical level?

I told you. Think of the gobstopper.
This below.


See the layers?
Imagine this to be a super dense molecular set of layers in a super dense material. Note the amount of layers but also note how the layers are super small in the centre and super expanded, compared, on the outer layers.

Think of this bunch of layered molecules as part of a material/element of something that's been squashed/compressed to mammoth proportions.


If we want to look at gas molecules we'd simply look at the same gobstopper mindset and picture it with a hell of a lot of less layers.

It takes some getting your head around and can;t simply be explained like this in one fell swoop but you need to get the gist of what I'm saying if you want to understand further and I'll know this by what you type, whether it's worth answering so put some effort in if you're serious.
Nobody's asking you to accept it, just to understand it from my side.

I'm also not interested in you or anyone telling me it's wrong so don't bother with that stuff.

So using your gobstopper theory.

When the molecule expands, does it gain more layers or does it's existing layers get larger?  How?

The gas cannot remain in the tube unless there are not enough of them to expand out of it and this can only ever happen after the mass of compressed molecules have expanded out to leave what's left to expand but stay dormant inside the tube but this would be against equally dormant molecules on the outside or basically would be in a low pressure environment.

Next time you do this you will be overlooked completely.

The portion of gas can't / won't exit on its own.
You and I established that together.
Which means it can only be pushed out by the expansion of the remaining gas inside.

You surely remember what is inertia.
It shows that the portion of gas won't exit if there is no force to cause the movement.

Why would that (or any) portion of gas do anything without some force?

We also established that in the process the inner pressure will fall,
for example, from 997 to 996 PSI, but won't become zero yet.

Then the remaining 996 PSI will produce force to push out the next portion, drop to 995 PSI, and so on.

How does your gobbstopper theory explain suction cups?
There's no such thing as suction cups in the sense of the word, suck.

Those cups work because air is pushed out of them by compression to push away the external air, which means the air pushed out is now added to the external air and that overcomes the much weaker molecules of air left inside the cup.
Less push back which leaves the cup clamped to whatever it is clamped against.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2019, 02:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stash on November 29, 2019, 01:25:48 AM

I mean, how is that actually achieved on the molecular-chemical level?

I told you. Think of the gobstopper.
This below.


See the layers?
Imagine this to be a super dense molecular set of layers in a super dense material. Note the amount of layers but also note how the layers are super small in the centre and super expanded, compared, on the outer layers.

Think of this bunch of layered molecules as part of a material/element of something that's been squashed/compressed to mammoth proportions.


If we want to look at gas molecules we'd simply look at the same gobstopper mindset and picture it with a hell of a lot of less layers.

It takes some getting your head around and can;t simply be explained like this in one fell swoop but you need to get the gist of what I'm saying if you want to understand further and I'll know this by what you type, whether it's worth answering so put some effort in if you're serious.
Nobody's asking you to accept it, just to understand it from my side.

I'm also not interested in you or anyone telling me it's wrong so don't bother with that stuff.

So using your gobstopper theory.

When the molecule expands, does it gain more layers or does it's existing layers get larger?  How?

It loses layers.