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It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time

To the worse, yeah, maybe.

Anyways there was one more paper but I don't remember where it was now. They're all pretty old though because it's not something they keep track on.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2019, 07:00:56 AM

It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time

To the worse, yeah, maybe.

Anyways there was one more paper but I don't remember where it was now. They're all pretty old though because it's not something they keep track on.

No, though it's something researchers could do further work on however.  The preponderance of evidence suggests that domestic violence rates are higher in cop families, but I don't think it's possible to put a firm figure on it.  A big research project would have to control for lots of other variables that might be confounding the findings.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 06, 2019, 09:09:26 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2019, 07:00:56 AM

It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time

To the worse, yeah, maybe.

Anyways there was one more paper but I don't remember where it was now. They're all pretty old though because it's not something they keep track on.

No, though it's something researchers could do further work on however.  The preponderance of evidence suggests that domestic violence rates are higher in cop families, but I don't think it's possible to put a firm figure on it.  A big research project would have to control for lots of other variables that might be confounding the findings.

You are messing with his narrative though..

Seriously, I can rig any poll I want if I select a certain group of people.

I am willing to say that abuse may be a bit higher with cops from what I said before...between stresses of the job and for some odd reason cops pick the craziest freaking women.

However, people trying to tell me 50 percent or more of cops beat their wife...fuck off with that

The problem with cops is systemic, leaving aside all the issues like domestic violence and unjustified shootings. When a cop is a 'bad seed,' what happens then?
If a spouse is beaten, are they meant to report that to the friends and colleagues of their abuser, who more than likely view the cop as someone they can trust with their lives? If a cop gets investigated, who does the prosecution, the prosecutor who's more than likely worked side by side with them for years?

Even if you want to dismiss all the studies and statistics as 'rigged polls' (not hard to analyse stats, but whatever), unless you're going to say the answer is a flat zero, which you're plainly not, you've got problems. Go look at the softball way prosecutors act, grand juries that indict 99% of the people that go in front of them because they don't decide guilt but rather whether there's charges worth examining, suddenly lose that dramatic number when a prosecutor's meant to be pointing people at a cop. Look at how someone like Joe Crystal was treated, a police officer reporting on legitimate brutality which should be his job promptly hounded by his workmates for turning on his own. You have a system where abuse isn't punished, and realistically is very unlikely to be, you don't get to act surprised when there are people who, well, abuse it.
But I guess it's just easier for you to brush it off as 'cops pick the craziest women' rather than wonder why exactly they might seem desperate, or why the cop can so easily paint her as such.

One bad apple spoils the bunch.

The problem with cops is systemic, leaving aside all the issues like domestic violence and unjustified shootings. When a cop is a 'bad seed,' what happens then?
If a spouse is beaten, are they meant to report that to the friends and colleagues of their abuser, who more than likely view the cop as someone they can trust with their lives? If a cop gets investigated, who does the prosecution, the prosecutor who's more than likely worked side by side with them for years?

Even if you want to dismiss all the studies and statistics as 'rigged polls' (not hard to analyse stats, but whatever), unless you're going to say the answer is a flat zero, which you're plainly not, you've got problems. Go look at the softball way prosecutors act, grand juries that indict 99% of the people that go in front of them because they don't decide guilt but rather whether there's charges worth examining, suddenly lose that dramatic number when a prosecutor's meant to be pointing people at a cop. Look at how someone like Joe Crystal was treated, a police officer reporting on legitimate brutality which should be his job promptly hounded by his workmates for turning on his own. You have a system where abuse isn't punished, and realistically is very unlikely to be, you don't get to act surprised when there are people who, well, abuse it.
But I guess it's just easier for you to brush it off as 'cops pick the craziest women' rather than wonder why exactly they might seem desperate, or why the cop can so easily paint her as such.

One bad apple spoils the bunch.

Most cops want the bad apples out as well...they know it makes them look bad. Also, IA and other investigation groups ARE NOT friends of cops...they hate cops and the cops hate them. Also, in the states things really don't slip through the cracks with social media, IA and all the other watch dog groups. So when you have a million police officers with 10s of millions of interactions and there is only a handful of real violations of the public...I think that is pretty damn impressive.

As for the abuse thing, I wasn't questioning statistics, that is simple math. I was questioning where the polls and other information came from that built the statistics. Math is only as good as it's controls.

Also, anyone wonder why then only people that have a problem with cops are criminals, those with an agenda and sheep who jump on the faux outrage bandwagon hoping to blend in and be "cool"? I don't think this is a coincidence.

Hell, I used to dislike cops in my early twenties... however, I was a trouble maker at night. I used to think they were assholes targeting me, however, hindsight shows they were just doing their job. Now in life, I have zero issues, and this isn't just from being buddies with GP and Dallas, I had no issue before that either.

Seriously, I can rig any poll I want if I select a certain group of people.

So, I take it you've read the paper and critiqued the methodology?

for some odd reason cops pick the craziest freaking women.

So they need a slap now and again, right?  Anyway, how could you possibly know what type of women police tend to marry?

So they need a slap now and again, right?  Anyway, how could you possibly know what type of women police tend to marry?

I have already stated the reason...I can't speak for every cop obviously, but at least for alot of GP and Dallas.

I also already said this doesn't give a right to abuse. However, crazy at times will try their damnedest to get you to do something stupid or report false crap.

As for the paper, I am questioning where they got the polls to comprise the paper.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2019, 01:48:15 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 06, 2019, 09:09:26 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2019, 07:00:56 AM

It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time

To the worse, yeah, maybe.

Anyways there was one more paper but I don't remember where it was now. They're all pretty old though because it's not something they keep track on.

No, though it's something researchers could do further work on however.  The preponderance of evidence suggests that domestic violence rates are higher in cop families, but I don't think it's possible to put a firm figure on it.  A big research project would have to control for lots of other variables that might be confounding the findings.

You are messing with his narrative though..

You are ignoring the fact every research has demonstrated it's much higher than average, and that the methodologies used would be expected to deliver LOWER rates than what is actually happening.

I am willing to say that abuse may be a bit higher with cops from what I said before...between stresses of the job and for some odd reason cops pick the craziest freaking women.

Are you serious?

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 06, 2019, 09:09:26 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on February 06, 2019, 07:00:56 AM

It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time

To the worse, yeah, maybe.

Anyways there was one more paper but I don't remember where it was now. They're all pretty old though because it's not something they keep track on.

No, though it's something researchers could do further work on however.  The preponderance of evidence suggests that domestic violence rates are higher in cop families, but I don't think it's possible to put a firm figure on it.  A big research project would have to control for lots of other variables that might be confounding the findings.

Maybe in the UK it's better, but in the US the police is gaining more power and becoming more defensive about their shortcomings (and more are incentivized not to report on the bad stuff happening) and the systemic issues that lead to stuff like this could be exacerbated.

As for the paper, I am questioning where they got the polls to comprise the paper.

They literally asked the officers if they have hit their wifes within the last month or year (don't remember which one) in an anonymous survey and 40% answered yes. Other researches had different methodologies.

Your excuse that they "marry crazy women" is lame at best.

Also, in the states things really don't slip through the cracks with social media, IA and all the other watch dog groups.

Lol sure.

Also I like how you assume other countries don't have IA/social media and you feel the need to specify that that's how things are in the States.

So when you have a million police officers with 10s of millions of interactions and there is only a handful of real violations of the public...I think that is pretty damn impressive.

How the hell is it only a handful violations?

Also, anyone wonder why then only people that have a problem with cops are criminals, those with an agenda and sheep who jump on the faux outrage bandwagon hoping to blend in and be "cool"? I don't think this is a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence, it's a lie.

Now in life, I have zero issues, and this isn't just from being buddies with GP and Dallas, I had no issue before that either.

Those who do not move don't notice their chains.

Most cops want the bad apples out as well...they know it makes them look bad. Also, IA and other investigation groups ARE NOT friends of cops...they hate cops and the cops hate them. Also, in the states things really don't slip through the cracks with social media, IA and all the other watch dog groups. So when you have a million police officers with 10s of millions of interactions and there is only a handful of real violations of the public...I think that is pretty damn impressive.

So cops want the bad apples out, but hate the group meant to investigate and find them? You don't see a problem there?
Yep, they get caught. What happens then? Did you just ignore my whole post? Wives/girlfriends get brushed off as crazy, prosecutors hardly bring their a-game to targetting their colleagues, and even if they do face discipline you just get a gypsy cop, and the fact you legitimately have a word for that should tell you plenty.

Where on earth do you get the idea that cops want the bad apples out? The blue wall of silence is hardly an unknown concept. Only makes them look bad if they get caught and properly punished and arrested.

Also, anyone wonder why then only people that have a problem with cops are criminals, those with an agenda and sheep who jump on the faux outrage bandwagon hoping to blend in and be "cool"? I don't think this is a coincidence.

You're assuming both that lawful=moral and the cops are actually enforcing the law. You realise what most people have been pointing out here are a myriad of instances where they don't do that?
But sure, even if you want to grant that, the only people that have a problem with people watching them, seeing if they break the law, are criminals. So tell me why cops hate IA again?

Well we just proved yet again that cops are racist assholes all over the world. Our cops murdered a 34 year old Nigerian father of two in the police station, they won't disclose what happened and they won't release any information. They just said he "mysteriously collapsed". It is said that they beat him to death in the elevator, where there are no cameras. For the record the cops from that same police station were caught on tape in 2007 forcing immigrants to fight each other and watching them, basically modern day mandingo fighting.

Well we just proved yet again that cops are racist assholes all over the world. Our cops murdered a 34 year old Nigerian father of two in the police station, they won't disclose what happened and they won't release any information. They just said he "mysteriously collapsed". It is said that they beat him to death in the elevator, where there are no cameras. For the record the cops from that same police station were caught on tape in 2007 forcing immigrants to fight each other and watching them, basically modern day mandingo fighting.

This is what a good cop looks like

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2019, 11:13:18 AM

Well we just proved yet again that cops are racist assholes all over the world. Our cops murdered a 34 year old Nigerian father of two in the police station, they won't disclose what happened and they won't release any information. They just said he "mysteriously collapsed". It is said that they beat him to death in the elevator, where there are no cameras. For the record the cops from that same police station were caught on tape in 2007 forcing immigrants to fight each other and watching them, basically modern day mandingo fighting.

This is what a good cop looks like

Yeah I've seen that one, it's great.

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on February 07, 2019, 02:22:24 AM

As for the paper, I am questioning where they got the polls to comprise the paper.

They literally asked the officers if they have hit their wifes within the last month or year (don't remember which one) in an anonymous survey and 40% answered yes. Other researches had different methodologies.

Your excuse that they "marry crazy women" is lame at best.

What's crazy about this is that the answer should be 0%. Any percentage greater than that is just lunacy and not at all normal, rational, allowed or acceptable.

I do not believe it is right to make political protests at the place where one works.  If someone is signing your paycheck then they have a right to expect you to act a certain way at your job.

look, the troll is back

Well we just proved yet again that cops are racist assholes all over the world. Our cops murdered a 34 year old Nigerian father of two in the police station, they won't disclose what happened and they won't release any information. They just said he "mysteriously collapsed". It is said that they beat him to death in the elevator, where there are no cameras. For the record the cops from that same police station were caught on tape in 2007 forcing immigrants to fight each other and watching them, basically modern day mandingo fighting.

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions. That is as bigoted as you can get.

There are bad people of any group, but we will always have to deal with the human side of every profession and group. By your mentality

All white people are white supremacists

All black people are rapist

All black people are a their

All white people are meth heads

All Jewish people are greedy

All Nigerians are scammers

All Mexican people eat tacos and are roofers

All Mexican people are in a gang

I could keep going on and on, you get the point.

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions.

Is it really a generization when things like this have been observed all over the world?
Even worse, incidents like this are routinely covered up by other members of the police. By destroying evidence, making fake testimonials and the like you are complicit.

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions. That is as bigoted as you can get.

Lol it's not bigoted to criticize an institution. That's the issue, it attracts these shitty people, it gives them power, it strengthens the shitty things about them, and the good ones are often either corrupted by the rest or marginalized. I don't think all cops are bad individually, but that doesn't change anything.

Back to your country now:
https://www.columbian.com/news/2019/feb/21/vancouver-police-id-officer-who-fatally-shot-boy-16/

How is a person who pulls a gun at a butcher because his meat wasn't properly peppered allowed to keep working for the police? Does it take a psychic to predict that they may end up shooting a teenager that posed no real threat?

Look at all these good cops stopping the bad apple mistreating this black person:
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/video-shows-jail-attendant-beating-handcuffed-suspect-in-buffalo

Smh people should stop being so divisive by complaining about the police...

Look at all these good cops stopping the bad apple mistreating this black person:
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/video-shows-jail-attendant-beating-handcuffed-suspect-in-buffalo

Smh people should stop being so divisive by complaining about the police...

$300,000? Shit! I'm in the wrong feild. Why do I work 60 hours a week like a sucker? I should just go to jail, goad a police officer to knock me down and I can pay a huge chunk out of my mortgage for the 'trouble' with a lawsuit.

As a criminal I would have no respect for the law but I'll sure as shit use the law to profit from out of it.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2019, 03:01:14 PM

Look at all these good cops stopping the bad apple mistreating this black person:
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/video-shows-jail-attendant-beating-handcuffed-suspect-in-buffalo

Smh people should stop being so divisive by complaining about the police...

$300,000? Shit! I'm in the wrong feild. Why do I work 60 hours a week like a sucker? I should just go to jail, goad a police officer to knock me down and I can pay a huge chunk out of my mortgage for the 'trouble' with a lawsuit.

As a criminal I would have no respect for the law but I'll sure as shit use the law to profit from out of it.

What do you consider to be a fair compensation to be when officers of the state abduct you, torture you, then restrain you while bleeding and probably fearing for your life for 90 minutes, and then throwing you out in the street with your pants off?

And how would you use the law to make a profit?Do you think it's something criminals usually do? There's a pretty high chance you'll end up in jail or get murdered by a cop, it's not worth the risk.

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on February 22, 2019, 07:38:56 AM

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions. That is as bigoted as you can get.

Lol it's not bigoted to criticize an institution. That's the issue, it attracts these shitty people, it gives them power, it strengthens the shitty things about them, and the good ones are often either corrupted by the rest or marginalized. I don't think all cops are bad individually, but that doesn't change anything.

Back to your country now:
https://www.columbian.com/news/2019/feb/21/vancouver-police-id-officer-who-fatally-shot-boy-16/

How is a person who pulls a gun at a butcher because his meat wasn't properly peppered allowed to keep working for the police? Does it take a psychic to predict that they may end up shooting a teenager that posed no real threat?

Surely you aren't this naive?? I know you are young and have zero real life experience and are sheltered by your parents, but surely you have to realize how brainwashed you are? It is starting to become worrisome.

Let's take a random example from any group, profession, race gender etc etc anything...

The wife that killed her husband for insurance money= All women are bad

The guy that serial cheats on his wife= All men are bad

The muslim that bombs a building=All Muslims are bad

The black guy that rapes a woman=All blacks are bad

The doctor that runs a scam or kills a patient = All doctors are bad

Etc etc etc.... In your eyes every is bad (if you are fair, which you aren't, so a group is only bad if it fits in your agenda)

I mean seriously, there are about a million cops in the US...that is a million humans, a million possibilities...just because there is a profession, that doesn't remove the humanity. I mean, a MILLION people.

From a million person pool, do you know how many possibilities that opens... I mean for God sake, the pool is so large 1 or more of these officers will be struck by freaking lightning...

When you view it with that many people and it being an organization, compared to other companies and workforces...their amount of incidences comparatively is a fraction of most other private corporations...and most corporations don't have the level of internal and external monitoring/accountability measures the police have.

I bet you don't even know a cop in person lol...Seeing one on the street or saying hi is not knowing, I mean a personal friendship with just one.

Grow up and wise up PEZ... I know you aren't stupid, but you sure sound like it with stuff like this.

There is a reason the people who ACTUALLY have any problems with cops are criminals....I wonder why??

Is it really a generization when things like this have been observed all over the world?
Even worse, incidents like this are routinely covered up by other members of the police. By destroying evidence, making fake testimonials and the like you are complicit.

Lol, this is just dumb... First off, I am talking about American police. I have certainly been places in other countries the police made be very nervous, raises that hair on your neck. The rest you can find in my reply to Pez.

Are you sure your skirt is palm length or longer?? You don't need to wear a mini skirt like Trudeau...it isn't a good look for any man.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2019, 08:16:22 AM

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on February 22, 2019, 07:38:56 AM

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions. That is as bigoted as you can get.

Lol it's not bigoted to criticize an institution. That's the issue, it attracts these shitty people, it gives them power, it strengthens the shitty things about them, and the good ones are often either corrupted by the rest or marginalized. I don't think all cops are bad individually, but that doesn't change anything.

Back to your country now:
https://www.columbian.com/news/2019/feb/21/vancouver-police-id-officer-who-fatally-shot-boy-16/

How is a person who pulls a gun at a butcher because his meat wasn't properly peppered allowed to keep working for the police? Does it take a psychic to predict that they may end up shooting a teenager that posed no real threat?

Surely you aren't this naive?? I know you are young and have zero real life experience and are sheltered by your parents, but surely you have to realize how brainwashed you are? It is starting to become worrisome.

Let's take a random example from any group, profession, race gender etc etc anything...

The wife that killed her husband for insurance money= All women are bad

The guy that serial cheats on his wife= All men are bad

The muslim that bombs a building=All Muslims are bad

The black guy that rapes a woman=All blacks are bad

The doctor that runs a scam or kills a patient = All doctors are bad

Etc etc etc.... In your eyes every is bad (if you are fair, which you aren't, so a group is only bad if it fits in your agenda)

I mean seriously, there are about a million cops in the US...that is a million humans, a million possibilities...just because there is a profession, that doesn't remove the humanity. I mean, a MILLION people.

From a million person pool, do you know how many possibilities that opens... I mean for God sake, the pool is so large 1 or more of these officers will be struck by freaking lightning...

When you view it with that many people and it being an organization, compared to other companies and workforces...their amount of incidences comparatively is a fraction of most other private corporations...and most corporations don't have the level of internal and external monitoring/accountability measures the police have.

I bet you don't even know a cop in person lol...Seeing one on the street or saying hi is not knowing, I mean a personal friendship with just one.

Grow up and wise up PEZ... I know you aren't stupid, but you sure sound like it with stuff like this.

There is a reason the people who ACTUALLY have any problems with cops are criminals....I wonder why??

Quote from: TheLordBarst on February 22, 2019, 07:53:47 AM

Is it really a generization when things like this have been observed all over the world?
Even worse, incidents like this are routinely covered up by other members of the police. By destroying evidence, making fake testimonials and the like you are complicit.

Lol, this is just dumb... First off, I am talking about American police. I have certainly been places in other countries the police made be very nervous, raises that hair on your neck. The rest you can find in my reply to Pez.

Are you sure your skirt is palm length or longer?? You don't need to wear a mini skirt like Trudeau...it isn't a good look for any man.

So,  KFC, you ever been arrested for anything?

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2019, 08:16:22 AM

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker on February 22, 2019, 07:38:56 AM

Although your story is terrible, there you go again generalizing an entire group based in individuals actions. That is as bigoted as you can get.

Lol it's not bigoted to criticize an institution. That's the issue, it attracts these shitty people, it gives them power, it strengthens the shitty things about them, and the good ones are often either corrupted by the rest or marginalized. I don't think all cops are bad individually, but that doesn't change anything.

Back to your country now:
https://www.columbian.com/news/2019/feb/21/vancouver-police-id-officer-who-fatally-shot-boy-16/

How is a person who pulls a gun at a butcher because his meat wasn't properly peppered allowed to keep working for the police? Does it take a psychic to predict that they may end up shooting a teenager that posed no real threat?

Surely you aren't this naive?? I know you are young and have zero real life experience and are sheltered by your parents, but surely you have to realize how brainwashed you are? It is starting to become worrisome.

Let's take a random example from any group, profession, race gender etc etc anything...

The wife that killed her husband for insurance money= All women are bad

The guy that serial cheats on his wife= All men are bad

The muslim that bombs a building=All Muslims are bad

The black guy that rapes a woman=All blacks are bad

The doctor that runs a scam or kills a patient = All doctors are bad

Etc etc etc.... In your eyes every is bad (if you are fair, which you aren't, so a group is only bad if it fits in your agenda)

I mean seriously, there are about a million cops in the US...that is a million humans, a million possibilities...just because there is a profession, that doesn't remove the humanity. I mean, a MILLION people.

From a million person pool, do you know how many possibilities that opens... I mean for God sake, the pool is so large 1 or more of these officers will be struck by freaking lightning...

When you view it with that many people and it being an organization, compared to other companies and workforces...their amount of incidences comparatively is a fraction of most other private corporations...and most corporations don't have the level of internal and external monitoring/accountability measures the police have.

I bet you don't even know a cop in person lol...Seeing one on the street or saying hi is not knowing, I mean a personal friendship with just one.

Grow up and wise up PEZ... I know you aren't stupid, but you sure sound like it with stuff like this.

There is a reason the people who ACTUALLY have any problems with cops are criminals....I wonder why??

Here we go again. I post like 3 examples just from this week's news which demonstrate there are issues beyond just the individual level, and all you have to say is the same stuff that I already addressed before, and I'm somehow the brainwashed and naive one. The guy who killed the teen was clearly violent and deranged and it had been been demonstrated in the past, but he kept his work. Does this not strike you as weird? The person actually beating the subject in the other story is just one, but no one stops him. They just laugh. Can you imagine this happening anywhere other than in a gang? If a civilian did this to someone, they'd probably pull a gun on him. Only the person actually doing the beating was punished, the rest are still working as police officers now. Think about it.

Don't you see that they all cover for the "bad apples"? Yes, it's not everyone who does this shit, but they are all complicit, as they let it happen. Don't you see the issue with a significant percentage of the people supposed to enforce laws being criminals themselves and committing crimes with impunity?

You keep comparing them to business employees and saying that they fuck up less than them. Police work isn't like other works. When an employee in a business fucks up, they may lose a client. When a cop "fucks up" someone dies. These are not mistakes, these are intentional crimes. Cops also make mistakes in the style that business employees do, but we're not talking about those here. Also, if someone fucks up in a businesses in a big way, they get fired. That's not the case with cops, who often just go on paid leave for a couple of months and then go back to working. Cops have exclusive rights to legal violence and are in charge of bringing people to justice. That sets them aside from any other profession by default.

The only cop I knew (a relative of mine) was dumb and fashy, like the majority. I also knew a girl who wanted to go to police academy, she was very right wing like all of them of course but she was alright. I'm sure she has plenty of time to be corrupted though. Unless she ends up not working in the field (which is the most likely outcome).

Here we go again. I post like 3 examples just from this week's news which demonstrate there are issues beyond just the individual level, and all you have to say is the same stuff that I already addressed before, and I'm somehow the brainwashed and naive one. The guy who killed the teen was clearly violent and deranged and it had been been demonstrated in the past, but he kept his work. Does this not strike you as weird? The person actually beating the subject in the other story is just one, but no one stops him. They just laugh. Can you imagine this happening anywhere other than in a gang? If a civilian did this to someone, they'd probably pull a gun on him. Only the person actually doing the beating was punished, the rest are still working as police officers now. Think about it.

Don't you see that they all cover for the "bad apples"? Yes, it's not everyone who does this shit, but they are all complicit, as they let it happen. Don't you see the issue with a significant percentage of the people supposed to enforce laws being criminals themselves and committing crimes with impunity?

You keep comparing them to business employees and saying that they fuck up less than them. Police work isn't like other works. When an employee in a business fucks up, they may lose a client. When a cop "fucks up" someone dies. These are not mistakes, these are intentional crimes. Cops also make mistakes in the style that business employees do, but we're not talking about those here. Also, if someone fucks up in a businesses in a big way, they get fired. That's not the case with cops, who often just go on paid leave for a couple of months and then go back to working. Cops have exclusive rights to legal violence and are in charge of bringing people to justice. That sets them aside from any other profession by default.

The only cop I knew (a relative of mine) was dumb and fashy, like the majority. I also knew a girl who wanted to go to police academy, she was very right wing like all of them of course but she was alright. I'm sure she has plenty of time to be corrupted though. Unless she ends up not working in the field (which is the most likely outcome).

Considering you just have proven how much of a bigot you are against cops with the last part of your message what can I say after that?

You get red in the face when I say anything wrong with any group of people, however, you labeling an entire group of people as bad because of the actions of a few, that is quite alright.

That is like me saying "I met a nice black man once, however, he has plenty of time to become a thug so he is shit." Then labeling the entire black race as shit afterwards.

It's pathetic.... And yes, they are a business, it is simple as that, just like being a doctor, firefighter whatever else. Considering there are a million cops, with each officer averaging 10-30 interactions daily with the public, we will hit the middle with 20 million interactions. Out of 20 million, we have 980 deaths in the US by cop... That is .0005 (rounded to make math easy off top of head) percent of interactions that turn deadly. Then you look at over half of those deaths are suicide by cops.

Yep, what an epidemic...  Then you look at every shooting, no matter if it is a piece of shit trying to kill a cop, they are put on leave and investigated by IA and about 10 other organizations public and private. If there is any questions, then it goes to the grand jury of citizens, not cops, to decide what to do with it. Plus, IA hates cops, it is their job to find dirty cops, and cops hate them because IA treats them all like criminals. As does all the public and private organizations.

Yep, cops run free alright... 

Plus, you can only name two cops you know in passing... Plus, that is in Greece, I have never been there nor do I know how police are there. I am only talking about police in America...when I was in Colombia the last time, police there make me nervous, corrupt and many times deadly..  Same with Iran, used to be that way in Russia, but I was told they are cleaning it up the last time I was there. Though I never had any run ins, however, I made it a fact to try and completely stay clear.

As I have said before, it is only criminals and dumb people in America that hate cops or think they are all bad people.

So,  KFC, you ever been arrested for anything?

This is to pez and Bullwinkle

Yes, I was arrested quite a few times from about 18-23... I used to think all cops were shit and were targeting me...maybe that was because I was racing, running from police on motorcycles (never got caught there, never arrested for any felonies), always at street races, causing issues at bars and all in all being a nuisance. I saw that as I got older... suddenly when I started being a law abiding citizen, I was invisible to cops... amazing how that works.

I can't count Dallas or grand prairie PD, because I have a get out of jail free card with them as long as I am not doing something really stupid...but other departments I have been pulled over and treated very fairly. I am just respectful and treat them like the humans they are.

Last three interactions not involving Dallas or GP (I get pulled over alot there just because they either see me or recognize one of my cars and just want to screw with me or say hello)

1
I forgot what PD it was, some BFE town, I think Princeton-

Doing about 3 times the legal limit on a straight away coming out of some Twisties on a motorcycle in some back roads. Was going normal speed for a bit after getting a call in my helmet, cop ran up on me. I pull over, he thanks me for not making him chase me. I give him my license and insurance, apologize for speeding, saying I didn't now how fast, but I know if was fast. Was polite and honest. He came back from running everything, handed my stuff back, said slow down that he doesn't want to scoop me off the road or do the paperwork, also warned me there was houses coming up about 4 miles down, so go the speed limit. He then asked about the bike and what it was etc, we talked for about 5 mins and he left.

2
Was in a long road trip which I hate, but couldn't get a flight fast enough. Was running through a long long boring straight away somewhere in OK in between tulsa and OKC. It was so long and boring (plus I hate road trips)I just lost track of speed, was going about 110-120. Trooper pulled me over, same thing, nice, respectful and honest. The trooper wasn't silly or fun, but he was respectful back. He said in OK anything over 30 miles over the speed limit on the highway was considered reckless driving. So he was going to cut me a break and only site me for 20 over.

3
Just picked up a gtr at the auction and was having fun with it in a public parking lot in Frisco doing an all wheel drive burnout in circles. Frisco PD see it and come... I had just got it from the auction, no plates or anything. I showed them license and insurance, paperwork form the auction and was the same as usual with disposition towards them. Said I was just being an idiot... They came back after running my info, said get out of the parking lot, keep it down on the street and then was curious about the car. Left after 10 mins of Convo...

Police are evil huh???

As I said, just criminals and dumb people hate all cops....

Considering you just have proven how much of a bigot you are against cops with the last part of your message what can I say after that?

You get red in the face when I say anything wrong with any group of people, however, you labeling an entire group of people as bad because of the actions of a few, that is quite alright.

That is like me saying "I met a nice black man once, however, he has plenty of time to become a thug so he is shit." Then labeling the entire black race as shit afterwards.

Lol "bigotry" against cops. I wasn't aware being black is a profession which you sign up for, and whose purpose is to exercise legal violence. I guess it doesn't make sense to say gangsters aren't good, that's bigoted. I mean, not all gang members have done something bad, a lot of them just participate in the gang, they're protected by it, and cover for the rest, but they don't actually do the dirty work. Same goes with ISIS members really, most ISIS members don't directly participate in terror attacks, it's really bigoted to say they're bad. I'm taking this logic to absurd extremes obviously, but hopefully you understand how it's not in any way comparable to bigotry.

Considering there are a million cops, with each officer averaging 10-30 interactions daily with the public, we will hit the middle with 20 million interactions. Out of 20 million, we have 980 deaths in the US by cop... That is .0005 (rounded to make math easy off top of head) percent of interactions that turn deadly. Then you look at over half of those deaths are suicide by cops.

Lol this interactions thing is the most hilarious rationalization. Dude, by this standard lots of serial killers are pretty harmless too, considering how the vast majority of their public interactions aren't killing anyone.

Also, no, those deaths aren't suicides, and no, it's not just 980. These are police SHOOTINGS, they don't count all the people killed by cops. The most important statistic is that 200-300 of these are usually unarmed.

Yep, what an epidemic...  Then you look at every shooting, no matter if it is a piece of shit trying to kill a cop, they are put on leave and investigated by IA and about 10 other organizations public and private. If there is any questions, then it goes to the grand jury of citizens, not cops, to decide what to do with it. Plus, IA hates cops, it is their job to find dirty cops, and cops hate them because IA treats them all like criminals. As does all the public and private organizations.

Lol more of your fantasy land where everything wrong done by cops is investigated thoroughly and they get punished accordingly and nothing slips between the cracks. In the real world, they're often just put on leave for a while and then continue working even when they actually did something bad, because their peers cover for them. In the real world, only the cop doing the torturing is punished, and the other sadists caught on tape laughing at the abuse are allowed to keep working. As for this whole "IA hate cops" thing, it definitely sounds like something you learned from movies.

Yep, cops run free alright... 

Yes, they do. Even in the extreme case of killing (which isn't the most significant problem with the police) they get preferential treatment, and lots of cops are allowed to keep working even after the investigation

Plus, you can only name two cops you know in passing... Plus, that is in Greece, I have never been there nor do I know how police are there. I am only talking about police in America...when I was in Colombia the last time, police there make me nervous, corrupt and many times deadly..

Lol that's actually exactly how Greeks who moved to the US feel about the police there. Our cops also suck but they're less intimidating and trigger happy.

As I have said before, it is only criminals and dumb people in America that hate cops or think they are all bad people.

Just because you say it many times it doesn't make it true.

Yes, I was arrested quite a few times from about 18-23... I used to think all cops were shit and were targeting me...maybe that was because I was racing, running from police on motorcycles (never got caught there, never arrested for any felonies), always at street races, causing issues at bars and all in all being a nuisance. I saw that as I got older... suddenly when I started being a law abiding citizen, I was invisible to cops... amazing how that works.

Lol this already sounds made up.

I can't count Dallas or grand prairie PD, because I have a get out of jail free card with them as long as I am not doing something really stupid...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah definitely NOTHING wrong with that, you're just casually acknowledging that the police treat certain people preferrentially!

but other departments I have been pulled over and treated very fairly. I am just respectful and treat them like the humans they are.

Dude, you were pulled over, you weren't arrested, what the hell did you expect them to do to you? I mean, ok, your cops are so insane that sometimes they will turn pull overs into shootings but come on... If your police was SO bad that it was a common thing even for pull overs that would just be insane.

Last three interactions not involving Dallas or GP (I get pulled over alot there just because they either see me or recognize one of my cars and just want to screw with me or say hello)

This just in: White man pulled over because police officers who recognized him wanted to say hello wasn't mistreated, proving issues with the police are fake.

What's with the trolling Pez? You can't be this ridiculous surely?

Maybe you would feel better if all the police turned in their badges