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« on: February 04, 2019, 10:31:08 AM »
What is your opinion??

I say he is a second rate quarterback race baiting on a false narrative for his 15 seconds. Just another way to divide an already divided country off the backs of lies and nonsense.

He needs to go away...

Also, good for Levine sticking to his guns and not letting the morons bully him. I don't like his music, not my taste, but good for him as a person.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 10:38:11 AM »
How is it a "false narrative"?
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 10:49:51 AM »
Eh, I don't like him.
Don't get me wrong, I love his message.
But american football is garbage, so I couldn't care less about its players.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 11:03:58 AM »
How is it a "false narrative"?

The entire narrative is false...it just divides us.

Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...it certainly isn't some wide spread conspiracy against black people..and those that commit wrongs are taken down by the social watch dogs and internal affairs.

And don't get me started on the supposed mistreatment of nfl players lmao!! It's not like we have a bunch of slaves playing on the field like Gladiator times...these guys make sometimes 10 million a year or more without adding endorsement deals.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2019, 11:29:57 AM »
NFL players make a couple million a year, on average.

I don't even know what Colin Kaepernick has done now that has people talking about him again.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 11:34:41 AM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

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and those that commit wrongs are taken down by the social watch dogs and internal affairs.

If only...

"It divides us" isn't an excuse. The way the police is structured as an institution, not just in the US but in most countries, is very problematic. In the US there seems to be some extra shittiness.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 12:18:07 PM »
It's weird to think people protesting against injustice are the dividers, but the people committing the injustices aren't the dividers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2019, 01:17:59 PM »
It's weird to think people protesting against injustice are the dividers, but the people committing the injustices aren't the dividers.

I don't think this guy sees the injustice... I'm sure he's aware there is no conspiracy or government programs to make life for coloured people more difficult. He's not seeking to correct one, rather just signal virtue his name away from the irrelevance it was heading for.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2019, 02:49:32 PM »
I'm sure he's aware there is no conspiracy or government programs to make life for coloured people more difficult.
No one is saying it's a government program or something, come on.

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He's not seeking to correct one, rather just signal virtue his name away from the irrelevance it was heading for.
He made people talk about the issue and he triggered a bunch of angry MAGAs, both are good in my book.
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Re: colin kaepernick
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2019, 03:10:00 PM »
You know how the cops are in the US, why would you think he can't see it?
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2019, 03:22:30 PM »
You know how the cops are in the US, why would you think he can't see it?

Black cops shoot unarmed white people too White cops shoot unarmed white people.

It's not about cops killing black people. Cops simply kill people.


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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 03:37:59 PM »
Do you think it's proportionate?
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2019, 03:45:46 PM »
Do you think it's proportionate?

Black people are disproportionately drawn to a life of crime therefore are more likely going to end up in the statistics.

A lot of cops in the force do not belong there and when they kill unarmed black people, they should be tried for murder. But there is not a systematic approach to kill black people.

If a black cop shoots a black person, why is there no faux outrage?

I would hazard a guess most cops who pull the trigger aren't making a racial judgement at the time. Hell, I bet they aren't even looking for that

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2019, 03:50:36 PM »
Why do you bring up "systematic" and earlier "conspiracy"?

Why do you think the outrage is "faux"?
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2019, 04:03:54 PM »
Why do you bring up "systematic" and earlier "conspiracy"?

Why do you think the outrage is "faux"?

I think for a lot of people expressing how angry, disgusted and that they are 'shaking'. It is over the top. Of course they want to sound like such nice human beings to their peers. Words are easy

Imagine putting that energy into the real world problems. Or in developing countries where life is arduous and violence is rife. Of course, they don't care. Nobody will notice their efforts. This is why no one can seemingly do a good deed (like helping a homeless person, without taking a damn selfie and plastering it all over the net in the hope it goes 'viral'

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2019, 04:08:01 PM »
We're not talking about the literally shaking snowflakes, tho.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2019, 04:15:34 PM »
We're not talking about the literally shaking snowflakes, tho.

Anyone that complains when a white cop shoots a black person and doesn't care for context, or when a cop shoots a white person and no F's are given, only shows they have an agenda that mandates they look good for their peers. A hideous motivation given they use the loss of someone's life to advance their social standing

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2019, 04:17:24 PM »
I don't know anyone who doesn't care when the cops shoot a white person. I don't know why you are making this distinction.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2019, 04:31:07 PM »
I don't know anyone who doesn't care when the cops shoot a white person. I don't know why you are making this distinction.

But when a white person gets killed, no one cares to let their peers know their faux outrage. Not enough 'likes' in it I guess

Anyway this Colin guy certainly wouldn't give a damn at the injustice. I'm sure he's proud to be living in an age where black is in fashion and the only colour people can express a damn about.

Hence the moral outrage when someone says 'all lives matter'

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2019, 04:36:01 PM »
Oh, you're just jerking off now.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2019, 05:53:14 PM »
I say he is a second rate quarterback
This is the most questionable part of your argument, and that one that I think most clearly illustrates that Kaep was blackballed from the NFL for speaking his honest thoughts on the shape of our society. Which is shameful, we should never discourage those in power to speak up and make the world better. Even if we disagree, I respect those that are trying to make a better world for everyone.

Colin had some flaws as a passer - His touch passes were limited, and he wasn't the fastest with going through his reads. But his scrambling was as good as some of the young QBs tearing up the league (Mahomes, Mayfield), his running abilities would be either best or second bets among current QBs (only really Lamar Jackson competes), and he had such amazing speed on his passes. If Nathan Peterman and RG3 can be on NFL rosters, than Kaep absolutely should.

As as football fan, I hate seeing talent kept out of the league for invalid reasons. And as a person that wants our society to progress, it's shameful he was silenced by a bunch of billionaire owners for bad PR.

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2019, 06:49:19 PM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

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and those that commit wrongs are taken down by the social watch dogs and internal affairs.

If only...

"It divides us" isn't an excuse. The way the police is structured as an institution, not just in the US but in most countries, is very problematic. In the US there seems to be some extra shittiness.

I saw the webpage that claimed this when you posted this...I really want to know where they got their "information"...plus 20-40 percent is a HUGE gap in statistics.

I bet when everything roles out it will show the amount of cops that beat their wife will come down to the national average for males in general in the US. Perhaps a percent or two higher, probably a combo of their job stress and the fact, at least from what I have seen from cops...they pick some crazy ass women for whatever reason. No excuse to hit them, but it doesn't help to build a volatile environment.


As for being a divider...he is, we are already divided enough.. black people blaming all their problems on white people and the right is split enough. Now you have them thinking all cops are evil and out to kill them.

Trying to say there is some wide spread conspiracy against blacks from cops when it doesn't exist..that is a divider. It causes deaths on both sides, either between black people killing cops because of a lie..or white cops being trigger happy. Now there are cops getting hurt and killed because they don't take the proper action from fear of the backlash.


SCG, what he did to get back in the news was from people not performing at half time. Levine decided to do it and all of his brainless followers calling him evil, a bigot etc etc etc...even kaps lawyer was going on about it.

These people are an embarrassment.
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2019, 02:31:22 AM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

Weekly reminder 20-40% abuse their wives.

I can't find a source for this.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2019, 03:03:42 AM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

Weekly reminder 20-40% abuse their wives.

I can't find a source for this.

He posted the link, it was nonsense...
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2019, 01:19:26 PM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

Weekly reminder 20-40% abuse their wives.

I can't find a source for this.

He posted the link, it was nonsense...
How was it nonsense?
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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2019, 01:40:54 PM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

Weekly reminder 20-40% abuse their wives.

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and those that commit wrongs are taken down by the social watch dogs and internal affairs.

If only...

"It divides us" isn't an excuse. The way the police is structured as an institution, not just in the US but in most countries, is very problematic. In the US there seems to be some extra shittiness.

I saw the webpage that claimed this when you posted this...I really want to know where they got their "information"...plus 20-40 percent is a HUGE gap in statistics.
When I posted the link to the webpage I also posted direct links to 2 papers, as far as I remember. The gap was due to different methodologies, it's probably higher than 40% (since some people would obviously not admit to hitting their wives, even in an anonymous survey).

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I bet when everything roles out it will show the amount of cops that beat their wife will come down to the national average for males in general in the US. Perhaps a percent or two higher, probably a combo of their job stress and the fact, at least from what I have seen from cops...they pick some crazy ass women for whatever reason. No excuse to hit them, but it doesn't help to build a volatile environment.
Nope, they already did that, the rate was like 3-4 times higher than normal. And these are the people you're supposed to count on to save you from your abusive household.

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As for being a divider...he is, we are already divided enough.. black people blaming all their problems on white people and the right is split enough. Now you have them thinking all cops are evil and out to kill them.
Who cares how split the right is lol. The "divisive" ones are the cops eroding trust in the police.

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Trying to say there is some wide spread conspiracy against blacks from cops when it doesn't exist..that is a divider.
No conspiracy is required, it's simply inevitable that this shit would happen the way the police works as an institution and because of what's culturally reinforced, and that's what people want to change.

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It causes deaths on both sides, either between black people killing cops because of a lie..or white cops being trigger happy. Now there are cops getting hurt and killed because they don't take the proper action from fear of the backlash.
Lol I seriously doubt that's ever an issue in the US, but even if someone got injured or something because they decided not to murder the suspect, well, good. At least they didn't murder anyone.

Btw here are some more stats: cops are slightly less likely to be murdered than the general population, according to Department of Labour stats in 2013 bartenders were more likely to die during work hours than cops, and people such as say delivery drivers consistently score much higher than cops in the most dangerous professions, and they usually shoot and kill like 25 times more people than the number of police officers shot each year, so let's not exaggerate how common it is for cops to die.
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2019, 04:41:02 AM »
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but no system is perfect...

Weekly reminder 20-40% abuse their wives.

I can't find a source for this.

He posted the link, it was nonsense...
How was it nonsense?
Can you post it again?
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 06:19:21 AM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 07:00:56 AM »
It was probably this one http://womenandpolicing.com/violencefs.asp
Oh, I thought we were referring to American Football (as we call it) players.  Jesus, that website is baaaaaad.

Anyway, it references 2 papers for it's claims:

1 Johnson, L.B. (1991). On the front lines: Police stress and family well-being. Hearing before the Select Committee on Children, Youth, and Families House of Representatives: 102 Congress First Session May 20 (p. 32-48). Washington DC: US Government Printing Office.

2 Neidig, P.H., Russell, H.E. & Seng, A.F. (1992). Interspousal aggression in law enforcement families: A preliminary investigation. Police Studies, Vol. 15 (1), p. 30-38.

Here's the second one:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/virtual_disk_library/index.cgi/4951188/FID707/DVBPO/INTRO.pdf

It's valid research, but definitely falls into the "more investigation necessary", and it's also 28 years old - presumably quite a bit has changed in policing in that time - it certainly has in the UK.  It certainly doesn't mean you can just state you know exactly what rate domestic abuse occurs in police families.  It is even called "a preliminary investigation".
 
The first reference seems to be a report on the hearing and runs for 113 pages - I can't be arsed going through that.

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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 08:19:45 AM »
This Atlantic article has some good information in it. You can skip the first couple paragraphs (about the NFL). It explains why it is difficult to get a real percentage, the cops just aren't keeping track of it. The only cases that get reported tend to be the severe ones, like murder.  https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/
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