Your thoughts on Elon musk?

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #840 on: December 05, 2022, 02:03:18 AM »
You can have all the material on the board you like, if you're in a bad position it's of no use.

This one thing isn't about Trump.

It's about your hypocrisy over 'free speech' and 'democracy'. Ideals you clearly dont really believe in so you posting like you give a shit for these ideals looks ridiculous

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #841 on: December 05, 2022, 02:11:29 AM »
My hypocrisy?
Are you just trying to bury this in garbage? Is that your plan now?

What ever happened to "asking isn't forcing". Big Brother never forced the ministry of truth to censor anything. He just asked them to rectify it.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #842 on: December 05, 2022, 02:19:18 AM »
My hypocrisy?
Are you just trying to bury this in garbage? Is that your plan now?

What ever happened to "asking isn't forcing". Big Brother never forced the ministry of truth to censor anything. He just asked them to rectify it.

Hey whatever man, the garbage is yours. Clearly I struck a nerve outing you as a hypocrite


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« Reply #843 on: December 05, 2022, 02:26:52 AM »
Clearly.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #844 on: December 05, 2022, 09:19:53 AM »
This looks like they're threatening Elon Musk. I'm not sure what they want from him, though. Don't all the wealthy have ties to China and Saudi Arabia?

I'm guessing it depends on what the ties are and with whom.

As far as the 1st stuff, I haven't seen it thus far. It depends what, if any, pressure was applied. It looks like, from Taibi's article, both admins were asking for something. Which I don't think is unusual in media. The whole Pentagon Papers is proof of that.

However, if people start going down the "Town Square" 1st argument thing then that is a problem. For everyone, even for a forum like this one.

Well, the US govt is allies with Saudi Arabia, and not to mention the same Saudi investor has owned Twitter shares for years, and it's only just now an issue because Elon Musk bought Twitter. All the big tech companies have their hardware made in China (I think), and cater to them. Even Hollywood caters to the Chinese. If the US govt wanted to investigate all these ties, I wouldn't mind! They won't, though. It would piss off their donors.

I agree that I don't think asking Twitter (or any other site) to censor crosses the line, but if they start investigating Elon Musk, I think we should all be skeptical of their reasons. That they are threatening to investigate him seems like pressure, I mean, maybe they have a real valid reason, but at this point idk.

I think they would have to start treating social media like common carriers for the town square thing to become a problem. I doubt it would ever apply to small forums, though.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #845 on: December 05, 2022, 10:02:55 AM »
Hey, just checking, is Twitter dead yet? I was promised Twitter would be dead after all those people where let go. Its been weeks now, surely its dead now.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #846 on: December 05, 2022, 10:07:26 AM »
Physically no.  But spiritually it's completely dead.

It's how we feel it in our hearts.
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« Reply #847 on: December 05, 2022, 10:23:48 AM »
Physically no.  But spiritually it's completely dead.

It's how we feel it in our hearts.
Its a website. It never had a spirit.
But seriously, the only difference I see between now and a month ago is I get to see more sponsored tweets that I never saw before.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #848 on: December 05, 2022, 10:41:35 AM »
Physically no.  But spiritually it's completely dead.

It's how we feel it in our hearts.
It's not about the destination, but the friends we made as our souls died.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #849 on: December 05, 2022, 10:54:11 AM »
Physically no.  But spiritually it's completely dead.

It's how we feel it in our hearts.
Its a website. It never had a spirit.
But seriously, the only difference I see between now and a month ago is I get to see more sponsored tweets that I never saw before.

Your experience being okay doesn't mean everything is fine with the app

https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/twitter-is-breaking.html
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As reports arrive hour after hour of mass resignations, office closures, emergency meetings, and general Muskian chaos, ex-Twitter employees are warning of impending problems, and users across the United States are preparing for the platform’s imminent death. Reasonable enough, considering the massive departures have really hit the teams in charge of traffic, content moderation, front- and back-end engineering, content moderation, 24/7 on-call technical assistance, community management, system libraries, story curation, trust and safety policy, and user information. The infrastructure has proved sturdy enough that the social network probably won’t fully collapse—at least, not just yet. What might happen instead, as some former tweeps and digital observers have opined, is that continual bugs and glitches will pile up without sufficient task forces on hand to fix them.
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Already, Twitter’s user bases outside the United States are facing these issues. “Twitter is very slow in India, Indonesia & many other countries,” Elon Musk tweeted Tuesday. “This is fact, not ‘claim’. 10 to 15 secs to refresh homeline tweets is common. Sometimes, it doesn’t work at all, especially on Android phones. Only question is how much delay is due to bandwidth/latency/app.” This isn’t a new problem: Indian desktop users reported ample service interruptions even earlier this month.

Musk may be acknowledging the concerns here, but he’s also rid his company of the people who actually know what to do about it. If you think the labor cuts and departures within the U.S. are bad—which they are—you should see how Musk has cleaned house in other nations. Twitter services for the entire continent of Africa were hollowed out just four days after its Ghana office opened. About 90 percent of Twitter staff in India, which comprises the website’s third-largest market, have also been left without jobs. According to Rest of World, “the company laid off practically all of its marketing and communication teams” throughout Southeast and East Asia, while sweeping layoffs also hit offices in Mexico and Brazil. These regions claim some of the largest numbers of Twitter’s users; these countries are where the app plays an outsize role in national discourse, activism, policy, and culture. Not coincidentally, they’re also the places where tweeters have reported slowdowns in overall UX, bugs while logging in to the service, and erroneously restricted accounts.

No two Twitter experiences (or feeds) are the same, and some user reports of website errors in various countries on Thursday night were self-admitted jokes. But as posters gathered to mourn what’s come of the platform—an occasion Musk celebrated as an “all-time high in Twitter usage lol”—there appeared to be a higher-than-usual number of network outages worldwide. Hundreds of such reports arrived that night alone from key countries like

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1. Twitter’s copyright strike system fails

According to Forbes, Twitter has been particularly slow to take down copyright violations. Someone uploaded the entirety of The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift and it remained overnight. And maybe that particular example only got taken down because it went viral.

2. Twitter’s trending topics fill with nonsense

Apparently, Twitter had a team that manually curated trending topics, for example by manually inserting “Why is this trending?” notes under each topic. This team was presumably laid off, and it may not be a coincidence that Twitter’s trending topics look particularly garbage these days.

I took a look myself, and I saw dozens of topics that were just names of athletes or TV show characters, but I had to click to find out what they actually were. There were also several nonsense phrases, such as “HER HAIR”, and separately “THE HAIR”. Apparently people liked Taylor Swift’s hair, and combine that with normal tweets about hair and you have a trending topic.

3. Twitter data download fails

Suppose you want to delete your twitter, and save an archive of your data. Some people are reporting that they can’t download their data. Commenters say this is a violation of the EU’s GDPR law. I’ve also heard that it’s not totally broken, it’s just inordinately slow.

4. Twitter sending NSFW spam

One person reports that they’ve been getting e-mail notifications with tweets from accounts they don’t follow containing pornographic images. They adjusted their e-mail notification settings to only show tweets from users they follow, but this did not resolve the problem.

5. Reply counts don’t match replies

Each tweet has a number showing how many replies it got, but users are reporting that these numbers are incorrect. Either some replies are not being shown, or the count of replies is wrong.

6. Elon Musk dominates feeds

People are complaining that Elon Musk and other conservative trash started dominating their feeds. This points to multiple possible issues. It could be Twitter’s algorithm failing to make good recommendations. It could be compounded by a shift in Twitter’s user base, as ignorant conservatives seem to be the only ones optimistic about the platform right now. Some people are also reporting that Elon Musk still shows up even after blocking him, which is another kind of problem.

7. Twitter’s 2FA locks people out

2FA, or two-factor authentication, refers to the system that texts you a code to let you log in. Last week, there were stories about Twitter turning off 2FA service, which means some people couldn’t get text messages and were locked out of their accounts. On November 15, Twitter claimed that 2FA still works, and that was the last I heard about it. But on r/Twitter, people are still reporting difficulties as recently as November 17.

8. Trends for You forced on

One user reported that they turn off Trends for You on mobile app, allowing them to track trends in the US rather than from their home country. Suddenly these were turned back on, and could not be turned off.

9. Contact discoverability can’t be turned off

When people join Twitter, it gives you the option to lookup your e-mail and phone contacts to find friends to follow. One user had this turned off so that acquaintances would not be able to find their Twitter pseudonym. An acquaintance found them anyway, leading to speculation that the on/off switch for contact discoverability is broken now.

You know, I was concerned about data breaches at Twitter, but I had imagined some black hat stealing and selling databases–and presumably we would never hear about it because whoever’s monitoring for breaches got laid off.  I hadn’t imagined this sort of invasion on such a personal level.

10. Even people paying Twitter money get bad service

This last item I didn’t hear from Reddit, but comes from an anonymous head of a marketing team. They say that 2FA and SSO (another authentication method) stopped working. Old advertisement campaigns suddenly got turned on again and can’t be turned off.  Performance was way down. Campaign reporting is inconsistent between the API and UI.  At this rate, Twitter will collapse financially if it doesn’t collapse some other way first.

And that’s just so far. What will happen in the coming weeks and months?


If I dont service my car, It'll be fine for a while. Then things start to deteriorate later on. Maybe I wont even notice the deterioration as it's slow and gradual - or I dont really use all the features of my car to notice failures myself. A mechanic could drive it and say 'the engine is knocking like crazy, your brake fluid is low, your springs and bushes are worn and your CV joints are fucked'. But hey the car still drives from A to B.

Elon fucked off most of the staff that could fix the niggling issues at a time Elon wants to add new features to the app to make it better. So how is the remaining staff, burnt out as fuck, supposed to maintain it as well as add new shit to it

Around 6000 tweets are made every second. It's not like a car you can leave in a garage and not have it wear out so fast. Also, when you have human keyboard warriors, trolls and hackers, you are going to need data engineers and moderators. Especially if ad companies you are beholden to to keep the site financially secure would feel uneasy about advertising or associating with what will eventually descend into the 'angry ranting' section of this forum lol

As someone who has a little experience in IT and data centres I can assure you that this kind of shit needs maintenance. Something Elon clearly doesn't appreciate. I'm sure the staff number was a little bloated - but he's clearly cut back too far (and then had mass resignations to deal with) and at a time he wants to improve the Twitter experience with new features

Elons ego would probably rather have Twitter become a bottomless money pit than see it fail if he can help it. He'll probably bring down his other fortunes like Tesla and Space X down with it (or at least his personal stake in them). All for a shitty app that most people who have heard of it, dont give a fuck about it

He still has the issue that Twitter is losing fuck tons of money and that was before the advertiser exodus. Basically on that alone, Twitter is not sustainable. Even if there was no app or data fuck ups and user experience was great. At some point, the towel will have to be thrown. That's just the cut throat way business is done




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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #850 on: December 05, 2022, 11:05:39 AM »
This is to be expected.  Twitter is transitioning to an Elon centric business model.

For example, I'm sure there are many people complaining about 2fa.  All they need to do is contact Elon Musk directly and they'll get authenticated.  This is far superior to letting a machine do it.

Trending topics are broken.  They should all just say Elon.  That does have to be fixed.

As far as moderation I think the only model that makes sense is for users to DM Elon directly with a potential tweet and then Elon will post it to his account with full attribution to the user.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #851 on: December 05, 2022, 12:00:54 PM »
Did you really just use Slate and Freefrom Thought Blogs as a source? lol
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #852 on: December 05, 2022, 12:02:20 PM »
the internet can provide you with a source to anything you want.

I hear there are even websites that claim they have proof that the world is flat.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #853 on: December 05, 2022, 12:04:05 PM »
Did you really just use Slate and Freefrom Thought Blogs as a source? lol

It's other peoples and reported experience. Prove it wrong if you like. But one user (eg MaNaeSWolf's) okay experience doesn't define the apps health

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #854 on: December 05, 2022, 12:05:45 PM »
the internet can provide you with a source to anything you want.

I hear there are even websites that claim they have proof that the world is flat.

Okay, we'll see how well your posts age. Maybe Elon can pull a multi billion dollar rabbit out of his arse and make Twitter financial viable. You have yet to say why your so confident a business can survive with continuous negative cash flow

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #855 on: December 05, 2022, 12:27:10 PM »
I'm sure Elon can keep Twitter online.  It's not rocket science.

I'm also sure that a feature freeze with no end in sight while hemorrhaging cash is probably not what he had in mind when he bought this company.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #856 on: December 05, 2022, 12:40:59 PM »
I'm sure Elon can keep Twitter online.  It's not rocket science.

Well for at least while he can pay the bills and overheads. Given its haemorrhaging cash it's basically all his own personal money keeping it afloat for now. The interest on the debt he took alone is going to be over a billion dollars for the year.

The rent on the buildings, the data storage centres, staff salaries etc....

Elon would have been better off just being a regular user where it was free and the upkeep was someone else's problem 8)

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #857 on: December 05, 2022, 01:03:05 PM »
This looks like they're threatening Elon Musk. I'm not sure what they want from him, though. Don't all the wealthy have ties to China and Saudi Arabia?

I'm guessing it depends on what the ties are and with whom.

As far as the 1st stuff, I haven't seen it thus far. It depends what, if any, pressure was applied. It looks like, from Taibi's article, both admins were asking for something. Which I don't think is unusual in media. The whole Pentagon Papers is proof of that.

However, if people start going down the "Town Square" 1st argument thing then that is a problem. For everyone, even for a forum like this one.

Well, the US govt is allies with Saudi Arabia, and not to mention the same Saudi investor has owned Twitter shares for years, and it's only just now an issue because Elon Musk bought Twitter. All the big tech companies have their hardware made in China (I think), and cater to them. Even Hollywood caters to the Chinese. If the US govt wanted to investigate all these ties, I wouldn't mind! They won't, though. It would piss off their donors.

I agree that I don't think asking Twitter (or any other site) to censor crosses the line, but if they start investigating Elon Musk, I think we should all be skeptical of their reasons. That they are threatening to investigate him seems like pressure, I mean, maybe they have a real valid reason, but at this point idk.

I think they would have to start treating social media like common carriers for the town square thing to become a problem. I doubt it would ever apply to small forums, though.

I agree. But didn't the Hunter stuff happen way before Elon was to offer to buy Twitter and way before any scent of the government wanting to investigate him? I'm not absolutely clear on the timeline.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #858 on: December 05, 2022, 03:27:21 PM »
Yes, the Hunter Biden thing happened before Elon Musk. The threats to investigate him came after he bought Twitter and fired all the government's contacts.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #859 on: December 05, 2022, 06:29:18 PM »
Yes, the Hunter Biden thing happened before Elon Musk. The threats to investigate him came after he bought Twitter and fired all the government's contacts.

Can we all just admit this is a little soviet?
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #860 on: December 06, 2022, 12:24:15 AM »
I'm sure Elon can keep Twitter online.  It's not rocket science.

Well for at least while he can pay the bills and overheads. Given its haemorrhaging cash it's basically all his own personal money keeping it afloat for now. The interest on the debt he took alone is going to be over a billion dollars for the year.

The rent on the buildings, the data storage centres, staff salaries etc....

Elon would have been better off just being a regular user where it was free and the upkeep was someone else's problem 8)

He is bored, he wanted a hobby. Twitter is now his hobby.
And it seems everyone is obsessed about his hobby
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #861 on: December 06, 2022, 12:29:23 AM »
Twitter's problem with advertising companies is that its policy has changed. Twitter, which previously protected the democrats, moved a little further to the right. That's why the capital supporting the democrats stopped advertising.

However, this situation will be stronger than before with the advertisements of republican global companies start in a very short time. Elon knows this and if you are aware of it, he moves very relax.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #862 on: December 06, 2022, 12:44:15 AM »
Twitter's problem with advertising companies is that its policy has changed. Twitter, which previously protected the democrats, moved a little further to the right. That's why the capital supporting the democrats stopped advertising.

Not just democrats. General Mills and Ford Motor Co, two massive corps, just dropped Twitter and, based upon campaign contributions, are decidedly conservative/republican.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #863 on: December 06, 2022, 12:53:47 AM »
In fact, companies do not have parties, a company is a company. Companies have links with every political party.

At this point, I must state that the majority of those who left support the democrats. Otherwise, it is contrary to reason, logic and the ordinary flow of life. I can't even believe I'm discussing politics with an onboard car computer.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #864 on: December 06, 2022, 12:58:44 AM »
In fact, companies do not have parties, a company is a company. Companies have links with every political party.

At this point, I must state that the majority of those who left support the democrats.

You just said, "Companies have links with every political party." Now you're saying that they support specific parties. Which is it?

And how have you determined that the majority of those who left support the democrats? Source?


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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #865 on: December 06, 2022, 01:08:35 AM »
I can't even believe I'm discussing politics with an onboard car computer.

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #866 on: December 06, 2022, 03:04:18 AM »
I can't even believe I'm discussing politics with an onboard car computer.
I can't believe it either.  Why are you?
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #867 on: December 06, 2022, 03:10:39 AM »
I can't believe it either.  Why are you?
If you cant believe that an onboard car computer can hold a full conversation about politics at Wise's level of engagement, then you clearly dont know wise. But what would a 311 post history account know about wise anyway.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #868 on: December 06, 2022, 04:37:47 AM »
Yes, the Hunter Biden thing happened before Elon Musk. The threats to investigate him came after he bought Twitter and fired all the government's contacts.

I get the impression that these threats to investigate are some kind of misguided virtue signaling.

I can't think of any right the government has to grill a privately owned company that doesn't seem to be breaking any laws in the US. 
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #869 on: December 06, 2022, 04:42:39 AM »
Why will you compromise for Mom but not for me?

You're hurting my feelings Crouton.

Misguided virtue signalling is the absolute best possible spin you can put on it as far as I am aware, good play.

I admit I added spin when I described it as soviet but I don't think it's an unfair description.

The problem is when you have foolish people with nearly unlimited power engaging in misguided virtue signalling, it becomes soviet quite quickly.

I don't think I'm as unreasonable as you like to make out.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.