Johannesburg - Perth - Amsterdam

Hello,
I have been looking at FE theory for some months.
If we consider the flights:
Johannesburg - Perth
Johannesburg - Amsterdam
both of them have a duration of 9-11hrs, depending by the direction (direct flight).
If we check distances on google earth both of them are around 9000km.
If we look at the sphere map or planisphere map, both distances look very similar.

If we look at the FE map, distances look very different.

Could you please help me to find an explanation?

thanks
sajah

Hello,
I have been looking at FE theory for some months.
If we consider the flights:
Johannesburg - Perth
Johannesburg - Amsterdam
both of them have a duration of 9-11hrs, depending by the direction (direct flight).
If we check distances on google earth both of them are around 9000km.
If we look at the sphere map or planisphere map, both distances look very similar.

If we look at the FE map, distances look very different.

Could you please help me to find an explanation?

thanks
sajah

There does not currently exist an FE Map that is both universally accepted and accurate.  Of the many maps that exist that depict FE each has accuracies and discrepancies when compared to observation.

Please check out my ava.

I saw the video. How is it replying to my question?

This is one version of FE maps:

This is one version of FE maps:

One that just pushes the Southern problems of the traditional FE mapt to the North where more people would notice them (and none have) while you ignore all criticisms.

This is one version of FE maps:

What do you mean by "lack of data"? What is wrong with this?It can be oriented any way you choose and shows why your upside down map just pushes most problems into the Northern Hemisphere.

As usual, "official" data cannot be easily trustworthy. 

AND

Even Phew FE Map can reveal bollocks in northern hemiplane's data. (Scroll down) 

You keep thinking you make sense with this video of yours.

Hello,
I have been looking at FE theory for some months.
If we consider the flights:
Johannesburg - Perth
Johannesburg - Amsterdam
both of them have a duration of 9-11hrs, depending by the direction (direct flight).
If we check distances on google earth both of them are around 9000km.
If we look at the sphere map or planisphere map, both distances look very similar.

If we look at the FE map, distances look very different.

Could you please help me to find an explanation?

thanks
sajah

Johannesburg Amsterdam flight is real.
Johannesburg perth  flight is hoax.
If you trust all aircraft companies like Qantas, so you can travel around the world within 9 hours. If you believe a simple program how elon musk has used, so you can travel the moon with a motorcycle within 3 hours.

In short, these travel times related with the lying capacity of aircraft companies and your capacity of believe such lies.

Quote from: sajah on September 25, 2018, 01:06:26 PM

Hello,
I have been looking at FE theory for some months.
If we consider the flights:
Johannesburg - Perth
Johannesburg - Amsterdam
both of them have a duration of 9-11hrs, depending by the direction (direct flight).
If we check distances on google earth both of them are around 9000km.
If we look at the sphere map or planisphere map, both distances look very similar.

If we look at the FE map, distances look very different.

Could you please help me to find an explanation?

thanks
sajah

Johannesburg Amsterdam flight is real.

Correct.

Johannesburg perth  flight is hoax.

Incorrect, that is totally untrue! Look South African Airlines flies directly Perth, Australia  to/from Johannesburg, South Africa and nothing you say can change that fact!And I do not see any problem with that because the true distance from Perth to Johannesburg is only a bit over 8300 km.
If you have any real evidence against that distance would you please present it.

If you trust all aircraft companies like Qantas, so you can travel around the world within 9 hours.

That is totally untrue!
Neither QANTAS nor any other airline, has claimed that "you can travel around the world within 9 hours".

If you believe a simple program how elon musk has used, so you can travel the moon with a motorcycle within 3 hours.

That is totally untrue! Elon Musk has never had a "simple program" that lets "you can travel to the moon with a motorcycle within 3 hours".

In short, these travel times related with the lying capacity of aircraft companies and your capacity of believe such lies.

No Wise, no airline claims anything like travelling "around the world within 9 hours" as you claim.

Every pilot who has ever been allowed to fly half of the long haul journeys is also in on the (totally pointless) conspiracy. We're now up to about half a million people at least that are in on it. Amazing they have managed to keep all of them silent on the matter.

Sorry rabinoz. Since most part of your critism about my posts are personnel attacks, so that I've use my right to not to answer you. It doesn't mean I have no answer to your so called appeals.

Sorry rabinoz. Since most part of your critism about my posts are personnel attacks, so that I've use my right to not to answer you. It doesn't mean I have no answer to your so called appeals.

You cannot wriggle out of it that easily. My post was not a personal attack at all.
It was simply showing that you were completely wrong and while I did show some evidence, you showed no evidence to back your claims, just your own prejudices.

So I suggest that you try again only this time show some evidence of your claims.

To be credible you must post evidence that

Johannesburg perth flight is hoax.

that

If you trust all aircraft companies like Qantas, so you can travel around the world within 9 hours.

and that

If you believe a simple program how elon musk has used, so you can travel the moon with a motorcycle within 3 hours.

So please, Wise, prove you claims or admit you were incorrect. The choice is yours!

No, I can. And I did. I have an argument to get rid of you. Because almost everybody know you have a projudice about me. I have already aware that you are not doing a personnel attack in the post above. But I can not be sure of if you will not do a personnel attack, or will not play with words those actually they are personnel attack but you can claim they are not. I do not want to get this risk. I hope you got it, ie an ordinary human normally gets it. 

No, I can. And I did. I have an argument to get rid of you. Because almost everybody know you have a projudice about me. I have already aware that you are not doing a personnel attack in the post above. But I can not be sure of if you will not do a personnel attack, or will not play with words those actually they are personnel attack but you can claim they are not. I do not want to get this risk. I hope you got it, ie an ordinary human normally gets it.

Still no evidence to support your claims. I see!
I, therefore, assume that we can dismiss your claims as being unfounded and that there are indeed direct flights Perth to/from Johannesburg.

Please remember that it does not matter what you think. I know that I will never convince you because you have your own "reasons" for believing that the earth is flat.
It is far more important what others think of what you and I claim.

Quote from: wise on September 28, 2018, 04:59:51 AM

No, I can. And I did. I have an argument to get rid of you. Because almost everybody know you have a projudice about me. I have already aware that you are not doing a personnel attack in the post above. But I can not be sure of if you will not do a personnel attack, or will not play with words those actually they are personnel attack but you can claim they are not. I do not want to get this risk. I hope you got it, ie an ordinary human normally gets it.

Still no evidence to support your claims. I see!
I, therefore, assume that we can dismiss your claims as being unfounded and that there are indeed direct flights Perth to/from Johannesburg.

Please remember that it does not matter what you think. I know that I will never convince you because you have your own "reasons" for believing that the earth is flat.
It is far more important what others think of what you and I claim.

There is evidences. Firstly, if you want I reply you, you have to fulfil the minimum conditions which posts have to, that I can answer.

I mean, you have seperated my post. I have announced several times to you and most members here for do not seperate my posts. But, despite all my warns, only you and jack continue same behaviour insinstantly.

You know I am sensitive someones seperating my posts. In one hand, you are claiming you are not personnel attack me, on the other hand you are doing something that you very well know that I get it as personnel attack.

This is a clear evidence. Agree or not. Stop to word games that you use it for your exploid advantage with bad mindly using my language barrier. Either respect me who you want to be get adressed, or do not wait I answer you that never happens! But you can try to do same thing and by using word games can claim yourself as a winner of a conversation never happened! Go ahead do it one more time and prove why I am right with not considering you.

Quote from: rabinoz on September 28, 2018, 05:40:38 AM

Quote from: wise on September 28, 2018, 04:59:51 AM

No, I can. And I did. I have an argument to get rid of you. Because almost everybody know you have a projudice about me. I have already aware that you are not doing a personnel attack in the post above. But I can not be sure of if you will not do a personnel attack, or will not play with words those actually they are personnel attack but you can claim they are not. I do not want to get this risk. I hope you got it, ie an ordinary human normally gets it.

Still no evidence to support your claims. I see!
I, therefore, assume that we can dismiss your claims as being unfounded and that there are indeed direct flights Perth to/from Johannesburg.

Please remember that it does not matter what you think. I know that I will never convince you because you have your own "reasons" for believing that the earth is flat.
It is far more important what others think of what you and I claim.

There is evidences. Firstly, if you want I reply you, you have to fulfil the minimum conditions which posts have to, that I can answer.

I mean, you have seperated my post. I have announced several times to you and most members here for do not seperate my posts. But, despite all my warns, only you and jack continue same behaviour insinstantly.

You know I am sensitive someones seperating my posts. In one hand, you are claiming you are not personnel attack me, on the other hand you are doing something that you very well know that I get it as personnel attack.

This is a clear evidence. Agree or not. Stop to word games that you use it for your exploid advantage with bad mindly using my language barrier. Either respect me who you want to be get adressed, or do not wait I answer you that never happens! But you can try to do same thing and by using word games can claim yourself as a winner of a conversation never happened! Go ahead do it one more time and prove why I am right with not considering you.

Look! How am I supposed to remember what each individual member likes and dislikes?
I am not trying to play word games I am simply trying to find out what evidence you think you have for all the incorrect claims you make about the Southern Hemisphere.

I live in the Southern Hemisphere, you don't.
I can and do measure distances in the Southern Hemisphere, you can't. And I know that these distances do not fit any map like the usual flat earth map. Any map like this one cannot be anywhere near correct!
So if you believe that there is real evidence, simply post it. But I find it highly suspicious that everyone but you seems to think that those flights are genuine:
But I know that there is no real evidence that these Southern Hemisphere flights, including Sydney to/from Johannesburg and Sydney to/from Santiago, are fake - remember I live in the Southern Hemisphere and you do not!

This is not a debate altforum and I deny to reply discussing bots.

First you have to understand that you can not continue dialoque with me after disrespected, like nothing has done. This is opposite of human nature.

Secondly, this is not a debate subforum. Yes, you can discuss everything with everybody in everywhere, but I'm not your one of everybody you can act irregular.

I'm coming such as subforums for informing the people, based on either majority, or my own flat earth theories. In other say, this is a flat earth forum and I am informing people about flat earth. This is all of what I do in subforums like general. You can not achieve to force I discuss with you, because I am not here for do this. Stop trying to direct people. This only make you minger. But you are coming here for discuss flat earth believers and convince them the earth is not a flat. Give it up man. We are already knowing what you talk about. years ago, We have readed, learned all of what you write . All your writings are nothing but old garbage. We have already passed that stage.

You are meaning in our mind, an old evil souvenir to remind us constantly bad and wrong things. We have passed that stage. And your tries don't work on us. If you think newbies do not aware of I don't get adress you but you continue to discuss prove you are right, so you are wrong. there is something that is clear here that I acted in line with some of my principles. But unfortunately, you are far to got me. Everybody have got what I say and what I meant, but only you are far to geting it. What a sad. What a hopeless man.

This is not a debate altforum and I deny to reply discussing bots.

First you have to understand that you can not continue dialoque with me after disrespected, like nothing has done. This is opposite of human nature.

Secondly, this is not a debate subforum. Yes, you can discuss everything with everybody in everywhere, but I'm not your one of everybody you can act irregular.

I'm coming such as subforums for informing the people, based on either majority, or my own flat earth theories. In other say, this is a flat earth forum and I am informing people about flat earth. This is all of what I do in subforums like general. You can not achieve to force I discuss with you, because I am not here for do this. Stop trying to direct people. This only make you minger. But you are coming here for discuss flat earth believers and convince them the earth is not a flat. Give it up man. We are already knowing what you talk about. years ago, We have readed, learned all of what you write . We have already passed that stage.

<< I'll ignore this bit. >>. What a sad. What a hopeless man.

You claim "This is not a debate altforum and I deny to reply discussing bots."

• You are incorrect! This is a debate forum. Read this:
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  What is Flat Earth General? « on: November 14, 2009, 08:46:54 PM »
  This board is for discussion about the Flat Earth Society or the Flat Earth movement in general. For example, if you want to ask questions about The Conspiracy, flat earth believers and their beliefs, or anything else not related to Flat Earth Theory, this is the place for it.

  "This board is for discussion" covers "debate".
  You claims about fake flights fits in precisely with "The Conspiracy".
  
  
• I am not a "bot"! I am a real person just as much as your are!

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Then you claim that "This is all of what I do in subforums like general. You can not achieve to force I discuss with you, because I am not here for do this. Stop trying to direct people. This only make you minger. "

Well, that's too bad for you because if you post incorrect information in someone else's thread as you've done here I'm going g to do my best to refute it.

If you don't like that then that's too bad because that's how forums of this nature work!

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The you try this on "But you are coming here for discuss flat earth believers and convince them the earth is not a flat. Give it up man. We are already knowing what you talk about. years ago, We have readed, learned all of what you write . We have already passed that stage."
Of course I'm "coming here for discuss flat earth believers and convince them the earth is not a flat" because the earth is not flat and you have never proved that it is!

I'm you don't like what I  do, you can either ignore my posts or cease from posting incorrect information, your choice!

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To finish you claim  "What a sad. What a hopeless man!"
But no, Wise, you seem to be the poor hopeless man always afraid hurricanes are after you and things like that.  I have no such worries.

But remember what I said.
If you don't like my correcting your obvious errors about the Southern Hemisphere just stop posting those things that you claim but have no evidence for.

By the way, I asked you for evidence for those Southern Hemisphere flights being faked and you refused to supply that evidence.
I can only assume that you have no evidence and just claim that they are fake because they disprove your flat earth ideas.

If you want me to respect you then I have just as much right to expect respect from you, yet all I get from you are insults.

As the most renowned RET poster on this site I can confirm that no one has been able to produce even a slightly workable version of a flat earth map.

There is plenty of theory floating around but all of it is contradicted by existing evidence so I struggle to envision even the most renowned FET poster from producing a workable map.

As the most renowned RET poster on this site I can confirm that no one has been able to produce even a slightly workable version of a flat earth map.

There is plenty of theory floating around but all of it is contradicted by existing evidence so I struggle to envision even the most renowned FET poster from producing a workable map.

There is a working map and have numbers.

Look how he is happy! 

Look I have marked where you missunderstood!

You are incorrect! This is a debate forum. Read this:

Quote

What is Flat Earth General? « on: November 14, 2009, 08:46:54 PM »
This board is for discussion about the Flat Earth Society or the Flat Earth movement in general. For example, if you want to ask questions about The Conspiracy, flat earth believers and their beliefs, or anything else not related to Flat Earth Theory, this is the place for it.

Poor fellow!

This is not a discussing forum. You can discuss about the society here, not to flights between any cities. For example you can say "why all admins are globist here" and we can discuss it here. Or you can say "why does not anybody ban rabinoz that clear a bot, a flat earth hater" and we can discuss this here too. But you can not discuss the flights between any cities here. Yes, you are rabinoz, a member that management protect as well, but I'm not a manager and have a right to don't consider you. I have a right to do what shall be done in this subforum, despite your supporter admins and moderators don't do anything about your rule violations.

I have not to endure your childish, agressive behaviours.

I know everybody have got what I meant, but rabinoz had not. What a pathetic loser!

All that aside, as to the OP, you can fly between Perth and Johannesburg non-stop. Here's a flight from yesterday:



As well, there is no FE map that works in observable reality. If you can provide one that works in reality, with accurate distances and sun/moon paths, great. So far, no one has. Zero.

All FE maps are correcting the real flights.

All FE maps are disproving the fake flights that nobody flight.

What an English talking Aussie search in Spanish talking Peru? Come on. Nothing. Nobody go there. This is a clear hoax.

What an English talking Aussie search in Spanish talking Peru? Come on. Nothing. Nobody go there. This is a clear hoax.

Tourism is a hoax?

All FE maps are correcting the real flights.

Show one that actually 'corrects' real flights. 

All FE maps are disproving the fake flights that nobody flight.

What an English talking Aussie search in Spanish talking Peru? Come on. Nothing. Nobody go there. This is a clear hoax.

So your logic is: Those that don't speak a common language should never and have never 'mixed'? It seems to me that your language is different than mine, yet we 'mix'.

Hello,
I have been looking at FE theory for some months.
If we consider the flights:
Johannesburg - Perth
Johannesburg - Amsterdam
both of them have a duration of 9-11hrs, depending by the direction (direct flight).
If we check distances on google earth both of them are around 9000km.
If we look at the sphere map or planisphere map, both distances look very similar.

If we look at the FE map, distances look very different.

Could you please help me to find an explanation?

thanks
sajah

Which FE map are "we" using ?
One FE source says that there is no "FE map" at present, but it is being developed and is "A work in progress" at present.
The only maps which some FE's present as "models" at present are simply the Unipolar  and Bipolar maps, which in reality are projections made from the globe, all of which have errors in some areas. The problem is trying to draw a 2D "flat map" from a
3D object - the globe.

So, are  we to assume that no "FE map" exists ?

All FE maps are correcting the real flights.

All FE maps are disproving the fake flights that nobody flight.

What an English talking Aussie search in Spanish talking Peru? Come on. Nothing. Nobody go there. This is a clear hoax.

It has been proven many times that there is no such thing as a "fake flight."
All airlines publish a list of their flights and they are all real.
All airlines are under the control of some national agency, such as the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States Of America and they certainly  would not permit the publishing of "fake flights".

Oh..Wait a minute !.....One more point.
I believe Perth is in Australia ?
Doesn't one FE source say that Australia does not exist ?
In that case, wouldn't that mean it was a "fake flight" ?

Quote from: wise on September 29, 2018, 01:27:28 PM

All FE maps are correcting the real flights.

Show one that actually 'corrects' real flights. 

Quote from: wise on September 29, 2018, 01:27:28 PM

All FE maps are disproving the fake flights that nobody flight.

What an English talking Aussie search in Spanish talking Peru? Come on. Nothing. Nobody go there. This is a clear hoax.

So your logic is: Those that don't speak a common language should never and have never 'mixed'? It seems to me that your language is different than mine, yet we 'mix'.

Some people are Bi-Lingual and even Multi-Lingual.
I took courses in High School in both English and Spanish.
Pero mi Espanol es muy, muy poquito y es muy, muy malo !

The legendary "Molly" Brown (really Margaret) was said to have travelled in Europe and was fluent in several languages.
She is said to have been helpful in talking to survivors of the Titanic disaster.

I have been to Japan, but I know very little Japanese.
Like takusan , sukoshi, arigato and ohaiyo gozaimas . LOL.