NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2018, 07:28:03 AM »
I tried to convince some members why an inter active performance between the ISS guitar hero Chris Hadfield, band earth + choir was a pre recorded event instead of a live event as the tv host and members over here initially claimed.....
It's part of the job i do, so mostly hear immidiatly what live music is and pre recorded stuff and the behaviour of sound in general.
I gave up eventually because one cannot fight such forms of ignorance..... sadly.


What was wrong to your ears? 

As I understand it, he played, the signal was sent to a studio and everyone else just followed him.

I don’t see a problem with that myself.

I dabble, but I’m not even sure what I should be listening for to determine if it was faked or not?


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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2018, 09:25:56 AM »

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2018, 10:29:12 AM »
If you think that looks real, Bullwinkle, you've been jerking the squirrel way too much!

You didn't watch any of it, did you??
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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2018, 10:50:20 PM »
Hahaha and listen to your explanations about compression anomalies that occur and other moronic excuses ?
You mean refute your claims which you clearly know are pure bullshit?

It tried to convince some members why an inter active performance between the ISS guitar hero Chris Hadfield, band earth + choir was a pre recorded event instead of a live event
Which you were unable to show was meant to be live, and people explained how it could be done assuming the parties had competent timing.

It's part of the job i do
So you are paid to shill for FE and other delusional nonsense?

but the floodgates of proof to the contrary are wide open
Yet you seem to be unable to present any. So it sure seems like there are no floodwaters behind these floodgates.

One without any form of lasting pre indoctrination from space agencies.
i.e. no one who has been to space or claims it is possible to do so?
i.e. it would be impossible for a "civilian" to go to space in your mind as if they said they did you wouldn't count them as a "civilian".
That makes your claim nothing more than this impossible to exist class doesn't exist. Well who gives a shit as they couldn't exist regardless of anything else.

numerology
So more delusional BS?

It was supposedly all true and by the end of the century 'we' would could go to the moon on vacation ourselves
And that is the part where people (not just government) get completely wrong. The massively oversell, putting completely unrealistic timetables on things and promissing based upon hope of what might happen.

you and i can never really varify any claim they made or make about outerspace.
Except by using GPS, or any other satellite based navigation system, which relies upon satellites to function, or using a sat-phone or getting satellite TV or internet, or just collecting the raw telemetry from the satellites.
All of which you can do in multiple location with highly directional receivers to determine the location of the satellites.
You can likewise use telescopes to view the ISS, and at night can frequently see the path of satellites as they flash across the sky.

So I would say there is plenty we can do to verify it. You just choose not to or dismiss it all as fake.

Just what evidence would you accept to verify it?
You have already shown your idea of a civilian going to space to be pure nonsense as you would simply claim they were indoctrinated.

Claiming it is all fake in light of the massive amounts of evidence indicating it is real is absurd.
So you are the one claiming the absurd.

This creator wants us to clean up our extremely dirty room first before we want to play outside......
Then maybe they should stop being such an imaginary prick and stop trashing it.
How many earthquakes or tsunamis or cyclones, or volcanos or floods have occured on the ISS?
It seems more like it is trying to get us to clean up its mess. Of course it would need to exist to do that.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2018, 11:17:47 PM »
This creator wants us to clean up our extremely dirty room first before we want to play outside......

Oh yeah, I totally remember that from Sunday school, it’s from "Baggins 3:18":

Ye who hath dwelt within the mire of which you hath wrought
shall never vertically depart your filthy environ until it is of cleanliness and virtue

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2018, 11:46:43 PM »
This creator wants us to clean up our extremely dirty room first before we want to play outside......

Oh yeah, I totally remember that from Sunday school, it’s from "Baggins 3:18":

Ye who hath dwelt within the mire of which you hath wrought
shall never vertically depart your filthy environ until it is of cleanliness and virtue
Sonday school is part of a religious indoctrination program of the past just like ‘pseudo science’ is in modern times.
Those who want to enslave little children in order to have lasting rulership over future adults
Cherry pick an indoctrination system that fits the narritave of the specific timeframe.
Like those astronauts daring to read the bible while lying about going around the moon. In those days many indoctrinated Americans went to church so a reference by some scumbag astronauts was a plus and enhanced the indoctrination.
‘Hear hear, they’re reading the holy bible in space.... God bless ‘m and America’

I understand your frustration with sunday school and your funny ‘Lord of the Rings’ comments.....
But you see i am a step ahead,..... i let go the sunday school indoctrination and the pseudo science/globe/evolution/cosmic indoctrination.......and started all over again.
And yes i found God in the process !

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2018, 12:02:54 AM »
It tried to convince some members why an inter active performance between the ISS guitar hero Chris Hadfield, band earth + choir was a pre recorded event instead of a live event as the tv host and members over here initially claimed.....
It's part of the job i do, so mostly hear immidiatly what live music is and pre recorded stuff and the behaviour of sound in general.
I gave up eventually because one cannot fight such forms of ignorance..... sadly.
Please show any evidence that NASA claimed anything about "official" that performance.
Even if you did prove it a fake, you've proven nothing against your nemesis NASA!

But there never was a need for it to be pre-recorded.
It could (and probably was) transmitted from the ISS with an adjustable delay to maintain continuity from Chris Hadfield's end. Then the rest accompanied that on the ground.

But, Mr Know-it-all-dutchy, can't admit such a possibility as it would destroy his fantasy flat world with no "outer-space".

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2018, 12:20:04 AM »
It tried to convince some members why an inter active performance between the ISS guitar hero Chris Hadfield, band earth + choir was a pre recorded event instead of a live event as the tv host and members over here initially claimed.....
It's part of the job i do, so mostly hear immidiatly what live music is and pre recorded stuff and the behaviour of sound in general.
I gave up eventually because one cannot fight such forms of ignorance..... sadly.
Please show any evidence that NASA claimed anything about "official" that performance.
Even if you did prove it a fake, you've proven nothing against your nemesis NASA!

But there never was a need for it to be pre-recorded.
It could (and probably was) transmitted from the ISS with an adjustable delay to maintain continuity from Chris Hadfield's end. Then the rest accompanied that on the ground.

But, Mr Know-it-all-dutchy, can't admit such a possibility as it would destroy his fantasy flat world with no "outer-space".
You can always know ‘what time it is’ when Rabinoz inserts ‘Mr Know it all dutchy’....
I must have made quite an impression on you........ but that is not needed we can simply discuss things among equals.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2018, 12:41:05 AM »
Like those astronauts daring to read the bible while lying about going around the moon.

Actually it's a fair bit more daring to be an astronaut than to read a book.

And yes i found God in the process !

Well done, I wasn't aware he was among the missing.

Now, back to business. We've given you data, media, explanations, whathaveyou. And in return we've gotten bits and pieces of misspelled ramblings about enslaved little children indoctrinated into time bound narratives in order to be ruled over by their future selves or whatever you just wrote about.

How about responding to some of the actual points we wasted our time on producing?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2018, 01:20:06 AM »
Well done, I wasn't aware he was among the missing.
More problematic is when something is missing you look in the wrong direction for answers.
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Now, back to business. We've given you data, media, explanations, whathaveyou. And in return we've gotten bits and pieces of misspelled ramblings about enslaved little children indoctrinated into time bound narratives in order to be ruled over by their future selves or whatever you just wrote about.

How about responding to some of the actual points we wasted our time on producing?
You have given me nothing at all just some indoctrinated info that i can look up within 15 minutes myself when using something called 'Google'.
That is the problem with your kind...... the only thing you really gave some thought is.......ermmm uhhhh how to copy paste the ideas of others.

I do not ask for you to engage with me, but if you do..... i do things my way and that includes ramblings against those who own your reality on many levels.

I have presented many proof against the moonlandings for instance, but as you may guess it never satisfies those attached to nostalgia of the past.
I did however got something out of it, that if humans not successfully went back before 2069  the initial claims could indeed be sort of false.

It's almost 50 years for crying out loud...... what proof do you need when comparing all the broken promisses about future moon basis and space explorations in the seventies to the endavours we still face today ?
Clear proof that they were talking out of their ass back then, not knowing all the hazards that are truly out there....... as they slowly but steadily seem to realise....
'But uhhhh they have destroyed all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there...and it's painfull to built it back and reload how things worked in 1969'
 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2018, 01:51:52 AM »
More problematic is when something is missing you look in the wrong direction for answers.

Or not. Maybe just be better about keeping track of your stuff in the first place.

You have given me nothing at all just some indoctrinated info that i can look up within 15 minutes myself when using something called 'Google'.

Ok, I'll try harder to dig up some non-indoctrinated stuff for you using the google.

I do not ask for you to engage with me, but if you do..... i do things my way and that includes ramblings against those who own your reality on many levels.

You've made that painfully clear, specially the ramblings part.

I have presented many proof against the moonlandings for instance, but as you may guess it never satisfies those attached to nostalgia of the past.
I did however got something out of it, that if humans not successfully went back before 2069  the initial claims could indeed be sort of false.

Solid premise. Please, go on.

It's almost 50 years for crying out loud...... what proof do you need when comparing all the broken promisses about future moon basis and space explorations in the seventies to the endavours we still face today ?
Clear proof that they were talking out of their ass back then, not knowing all the hazards that are truly out there....... as they slowly but steadily seem to realise....
'But uhhhh they have destroyed all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there...and it's painfull to built it back and reload how things worked in 1969'
 ;D ;D ;D

On behalf of NASA, sorry they let you down by not fitting into your timetable.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2018, 01:57:19 AM »
You can always know ‘what time it is’ when Rabinoz inserts ‘Mr Know it all dutchy’....
I must have made quite an impression on you........ but that is not needed we can simply discuss things among equals.
That is impossible. No matter how well anybody explains anything to you, you always know better and never take any notice.
When I take the time to examine your claims carefully you just ignore what I post.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2018, 03:12:54 AM »
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You have given me nothing at all just some indoctrinated info that i can look up within 15 minutes myself when using something called 'Google'.
That is the problem with your kind...... the only thing you really gave some thought is.......ermmm uhhhh how to copy paste the ideas of others.
And that is the problem with your kind. All you do is post stuff from your own imagination with no factual support.

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I do not ask for you to engage with me, but if you do..... i do things my way and that includes ramblings against those who own your reality on many levels.

I have presented many proof against the moonlandings for instance, but as you may guess it never satisfies those attached to nostalgia of the past.
No you have presented no proof against the moonlandings. All you ever post is guesswork based on hearsay and imagined defects, plus a good deal of ridicule.

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I did however got something out of it, that if humans not successfully went back before 2069 the initial claims could indeed be sort of false.
You go on and on about "going back" and NASA would love to have gone back but the enormous cost the first missions were justified as part of the "Cold War" - after Russia had beaten the US at almost "mile-stones" up to that point.
After that, it was a bit like, "We've proved we can do that, why bother going back" and so the money dried up.

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It's almost 50 years for crying out loud...... what proof do you need when comparing all the broken promisses about future moon basis and space explorations in the seventies to the endavours we still face today ?
What "broken promises about future moon bases and space explorations in the seventies"?
NASA didn't promise anything and can't do anything with US Government finance.
They would indeed have gone to the moon a couple more times and started to develop interplanetary mission if they had the resources.
But NASA is limited by by its finances and after the first lunar mission finances dried up.

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Clear proof that they were talking out of their ass back then, not knowing all the hazards that are truly out there....... as they slowly but steadily seem to realise....
No, dutchy, that's you talking . . .  . In the sixties NASA may not have as much as now, but they knew of of solar flares and of the the Van Allen belts from James Van Allen himself!

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'But uhhhh they have destroyed all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there...and it's painfull to built it back and reload how things worked in 1969'
No, they did not "destroy all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there".
The records are there, but there was no possibly way to retain the production lines in "moth-balled" state.
Those production lines we not NASA's but belonged to Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Grumman etc and we're needed for the manufacturing aircraft etc.

But, no-one would no use the same technologies as in the 1960s, that is a ridiculous claim.
Probably rockets engines have changed far less than other components but even there modern engines are far lighter and more efficient.
But other components are far different with modern computers and materials being in many cases far superior but different.

I do realise that to you all I say falls on deaf ears - you assume that you know better, but we try.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2018, 09:34:06 AM »

You have given me nothing at all just some indoctrinated info that i can look up within 15 minutes myself when using something called 'Google'.
That is the problem with your kind...... the only thing you really gave some thought is.......ermmm uhhhh how to copy paste the ideas of others.

I do not ask for you to engage with me, but if you do..... i do things my way and that includes ramblings against those who own your reality on many levels.

I have presented many proof against the moonlandings for instance, but as you may guess it never satisfies those attached to nostalgia of the past.
I did however got something out of it, that if humans not successfully went back before 2069  the initial claims could indeed be sort of false.

It's almost 50 years for crying out loud...... what proof do you need when comparing all the broken promisses about future moon basis and space explorations in the seventies to the endavours we still face today ?
Clear proof that they were talking out of their ass back then, not knowing all the hazards that are truly out there....... as they slowly but steadily seem to realise....
'But uhhhh they have destroyed all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there...and it's painfull to built it back and reload how things worked in 1969'
 ;D ;D ;D

That’s the weirdest argument ever.

Somehow you think an argument presented with no sources trumps an argument with sources?

Just because someone links to an article or other source doesn’t mean they haven’t thought about it or don’t understand it

Yes, you can use google to find answers to many of the problems you have with established science.  Maybe you should try it?

I know you’re not above finding stuff on the internet that you think it supports your argument.  The only real difference is what sources you choose to believe.

As for why we’ve not been back to the moon, the main reason is it was incredibly expensive.  It was done mainly to show American dominance in the space race.

What would be the point in repeating it now?  To collect some more rocks and knock a few golf balls around?

No, if we go back, it would have to be to take the next step.  That would probably be to build a permanent base, which is possibly orders of magnitude more expensive again.  Which raises the obvious question- what would the base be for?

Sure, we might do that in the foreseeable future.  I know there are people advocating it, but governments still have to sign off on the ridiculous costs.

Personally, I don’t think we should until we’ve made substantial progress on a whole load of major issues on Earth.  I’m quite a fan of space exploration, but I don’t think we’re really in a good position to devote major resources to manned colonies anywhere at the moment.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2018, 09:50:48 AM »
You can always know ‘what time it is’ when Rabinoz inserts ‘Mr Know it all dutchy’....
I must have made quite an impression on you........ but that is not needed we can simply discuss things among equals.
That is impossible. No matter how well anybody explains anything to you, you always know better and never take any notice.
When I take the time to examine your claims carefully you just ignore what I post.
No matter how well Rabinoz & co copy paste from the www does NOT equall 'no matter how well anybody explains anything to you '.

But you know that of course don't you ?
You believe literaly everything current science tells you based on things i will explain later...
So anyone who disagrees with the 'scientific truth of our era' never has any ground to claim anything against your kind.

I'll explain some more...
When a car can drive it is proof of the underlying science.....and this simple rule of thumb is what i will hardly ever argue.....
Only when certain claims are not varifiable now or in the future some claims need a closer look.
Earth's spin, the moonlandings, the big bang , macro evolution etc. have so much philosophical elements instead of real evidence that we must clearly distinct between the two.

If you claim the coriolis effect is real science , my reply was/is that there are lots of extreem large indoors facilities that can check if it is the truth or an oldwives tale that a long distance shooter must take the coriolis effect into account.
Because this should be the scientific method  !
Indoors we can precisely measure the effect on bullits because most of the weather is bypassed.

But as always with the pseudo science you love so much, a better and accurate data mapping of the effect is not needed,..... unless one wants to proof Einstein's cosmic ripple's..... then we can measure the size of 1000the of a proton's diameter.
Why ? Because one way or the other this absurd idea about the hypothetical universe needs 'scientific' proof to keep running.

I have presented so much what could and should have been tested if the scientific method was indeed the underlying thought of the members of the church of scientism.....

No one could test any Apollo artifacts,..... no landers, vacuum chambers, gold foil ::), bathing uhhhh moonsuits of 1969,.....
Because within a year a team of real scientists with modern computer modelling could precisely tell you if the Apollo equipment meets the initial NASA claims.
But one can hardly point towards the Lunar Module in a musea, but NASA themselves can destroy, lose or errase their most precious legacy.

Since no one wants to go to an uninterresting rock anymore, congress does not want to finance such events and the overall 'been there done that' attitude, i see no reason to give all blueprints and data free for everyone to research.

But NASA is working around the clock with the shredder to make sure we are only left with their logbooks and explanations about how their stuff worked ...
You know the 'copy paste trash' you so eagerly present.......

Every constructor or company which did something remarkable in the whole Apollo project must have put their own peronal legacy in a vault.
Therefor since no one wants to go back to the moon (except Don Pettit) it is time to 'open source all available data and equipment used during Apollo'.
And that mister excludes some online babblings from NASA you're ready to copy paste at will.
That is the 'scientific method',... not your quasi scientific nonsense derived from some  online source that has some NASA logo on it .

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2018, 10:10:43 AM »
Can someone provide evidence that "NASA is working around the clock with the shredder..."

Or is this another baseless dutchwadism?
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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2018, 10:13:39 AM »

I'll explain some more...
When a car can drive it is proof of the underlying science.....and this simple rule of thumb is what i will hardly ever argue.....
Only when certain claims are not varifiable now or in the future some claims need a closer look.
Earth's spin, the moonlandings, the big bang , macro evolution etc. have so much philosophical elements instead of real evidence that we must clearly distinct between the two.

Brilliant.  An argument I see all the time from climate change deniers.  Science is only real when it gives you stuff you can use.

Of course you are ignoring things like satellite TV which only works when you point a dish at the specific spot where the satellite is sitting in geostationary orbit.

Proof that space stuff is real.

As for the rotation of the earth (the only real relevant example), there’s tonnes of proof by a whole host of methods.

For instance the difference in time between a solar day and a sidereal day corresponds exactly to the time it takes to orbit the sun.  On the flat earth “model” (such as it is), the stars would be spinning at this exact different rate to the sun because?

Amazing coincidence? Because God wants us all to believe in heliocentrism?  Any other ideas?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2018, 10:52:48 AM »

I'll explain some more...
When a car can drive it is proof of the underlying science.....and this simple rule of thumb is what i will hardly ever argue.....
Only when certain claims are not varifiable now or in the future some claims need a closer look.
Earth's spin, the moonlandings, the big bang , macro evolution etc. have so much philosophical elements instead of real evidence that we must clearly distinct between the two.

Brilliant.  An argument I see all the time from climate change deniers.  Science is only real when it gives you stuff you can use.
Your conversational abilities are not so brilliant though....., doesn't make you bad or something.. ::)
Humanity is polluting / destroying earth in record braking speed the last half a century...
Anyone who claims that somehow earth doesn't react because of our influence is defying all odds and reason.
But the things i mentioned are entirely different compared to climate change..
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It seems you are only aware of one fictional conspiracy type  .... the flatearther who voted for Trump , because Obama the Islamic pawn totally let America down and those pesky climate and gun preachers only want to prevent you going on a trip with your oil consuming car and rifle outside to shoot some deer while enjoying the clearly flat scenery.
 ;D ;D ;D

Want to rephrase in order to have a conversation ?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2018, 11:02:42 AM »

I'll explain some more...
When a car can drive it is proof of the underlying science.....and this simple rule of thumb is what i will hardly ever argue.....
Only when certain claims are not varifiable now or in the future some claims need a closer look.
Earth's spin, the moonlandings, the big bang , macro evolution etc. have so much philosophical elements instead of real evidence that we must clearly distinct between the two.

Brilliant.  An argument I see all the time from climate change deniers.  Science is only real when it gives you stuff you can use.
Your conversational abilities are not so brilliant though....., doesn't make you bad or something.. ::)
Humanity is polluting / destroying earth in record braking speed the last half a century...
Anyone who claims that somehow earth doesn't react because of our influence is defying all odds and reason.
But the things i mentioned are entirely different compared to climate change..
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It seems you are only aware of one fictional conspiracy type  .... the flatearther who voted for Trump , because Obama the Islamic pawn totally let America down and those pesky climate and gun preachers only want to prevent you going on a trip with your oil consuming car and rifle outside to shoot some deer while enjoying the clearly flat scenery.
 ;D ;D ;D

Want to rephrase in order to have a conversation ?

That was just an observation I found interesting.  No more relevant than your guff about how we is all indoctrinated.

I see you ignored the substantial points I raised.

Rephrasing:

How do you explain satellite TV?
How do you explain the difference between a solar day and a sidereal day?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2018, 11:06:35 AM »
Can someone provide evidence that "NASA is working around the clock with the shredder..."

Or is this another baseless dutchwadism?
Don Pettit said it..... he said 'but we destroyed that technology (to go to the moon) and it's a painfull process to built it back
It was Don's explanation why we couldn't go back to the moon in modern times.
The NASA  'shredder'  destroys blueprints, data that enables you to built something back without a painfull process !!

But all of a sudden the word ''we' out of the mouth of a NASA astronaut, spokesman and celebrity doesn't refer to NASA.....
And 'destroyed'  means a disfunctional assembly line .....
And 'painfull process' means 'takes some time'

And more excuses from NASA enthousiasts.

Fuck me.....  native English speakers are really something when it comes to their mother tongue....

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2018, 11:25:23 AM »

Don Pettit said it..... he said 'but we destroyed that technology (to go to the moon) and it's a painfull process to built it back
It was Don's explanation why we couldn't go back to the moon in modern times.

Did he say this to you personally?

Or are you relying on Google?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2018, 11:37:35 AM »

Don Pettit said it..... he said 'but we destroyed that technology (to go to the moon) and it's a painfull process to built it back
It was Don's explanation why we couldn't go back to the moon in modern times.

Did he say this to you personally?

Or are you relying on Google?
It was on camera and Don Pettit, nor any of his relatives claimed something was cgi or fake.

But i agree, with the latest virtual modelling techniques, augmented reality and advance voice formant shaping technigues .... they can manipulate any footage to say whatever they want.
It is possible to let Trump praise CNN and asks the American people to solely watch CNN for trustworthy news items...... without anyone noticing the manipulation.

Call my attempts a sort of wake-up call, because you and i are totally uncabable to discern reality from fiction in any possible way in the near future !
But yeah.......fakery is upon us, fakery 2.0 which makes the Apollo and 9/11 dual realities (real elements in the mix to mask the deceit underneath) look like child’s play by comparison.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2018, 12:26:24 PM »

Don Pettit said it..... he said 'but we destroyed that technology (to go to the moon) and it's a painfull process to built it back
It was Don's explanation why we couldn't go back to the moon in modern times.

Did he say this to you personally?

Or are you relying on Google?
It was on camera and Don Pettit, nor any of his relatives claimed something was cgi or fake.

But i agree, with the latest virtual modelling techniques, augmented reality and advance voice formant shaping technigues .... they can manipulate any footage to say whatever they want.
It is possible to let Trump praise CNN and asks the American people to solely watch CNN for trustworthy news items...... without anyone noticing the manipulation.

Call my attempts a sort of wake-up call, because you and i are totally uncabable to discern reality from fiction in any possible way in the near future !
But yeah.......fakery is upon us, fakery 2.0 which makes the Apollo and 9/11 dual realities (real elements in the mix to mask the deceit underneath) look like child’s play by comparison.

Haha.  You know what I mean.

This would be an utterly obscure statement if flat earthers and moon landing conspiracy theorists on the internet hadn’t jumped on it.

It’s highly unlikely you would have stumbled on it if you weren’t following the things that support your world view.

You try to belittle people for posting stuff that can be found on the internet, but you do the same.  Only from more rubbish sources, which you don’t cite.  It’s just a way of dismissing arguments.

It’s s daft position to take anyway.

This guy claims to be a NASA astronaut. Apparently you don’t believe NASA astronauts even exist.  So nothing he says should be worth anything at all.

How is this evidence for your case?

For the rest of us, it’s quite simple.  He is an astronaut, he did go to space, but just didn’t choose his words very well.  The technology wasn’t “destroyed”, it’s just not usable anymore, because what’s left is half a century old and in museums.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2018, 01:28:16 PM »
Haha.  You know what I mean.
How could i miss it..... ::)
But you obviously don’t know what i mean.....but i hope to explain a thing or two....
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This would be an utterly obscure statement if flat earthers and moon landing conspiracy theorists on the internet hadn’t jumped on it.
A clickbait attempt ?  ;D
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It’s highly unlikely you would have stumbled on it if you weren’t following the things that support your world view.
Darn,...... now you know my little secret about the YouTube highpriests who’s knowledge is beyond this realm..... they are different and not infected by science, proof, reason and numbers ..... i am their humble mouthpiece  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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You try to belittle people for posting stuff that can be found on the internet, but you do the same.  Only from more rubbish sources, which you don’t cite.  It’s just a way of dismissing arguments.
Examples ?
Because you really have to be more specific.....otherwise it doesn’t reflect well on your overall interactive skills.
I have nothing against the internet or info that can be found.
I have something against copy pasting info without any form of critical thinking.
But let me give you a very simple example.....
If a Russian athlete runs the 100m sprint in an absurd 9.12 second world record and the Russians provided all the data that proofs this athlete is clean and at least 1000 Russians can confirm who were part of an advanced secret hightech athletics program....do  you believe it was clean because you saw it on tv,  it did happen and official Russian data that gives some superficial insight about their advanced program  ?

I wouldn’t..... simply because of a track record of Russian state sponsored lies and deceit in the field of sports and ongoing denial when caught red handed.

Believing the moonlanding is basically the same....
A wicked regime who gave Nazi’s a new identity and lied about the total amount of war criminals who were let of the hook....
Started the most childish and damaging pissing contest with Russia ever seen in the history of mankind.
Partly based on SF nonsence from the pedophile Arthur C. Clarke and the connection with Disney.
Werner von Braun who willingly worked for Hitler, killing the laziest factory worker of the week during his management and bombed the hell out of London town for no reason at all......he was the mastermind behind the rocket technology.....
If someone ever was open to blackmail Werner was.......

Then we have a president who promissed to go to the moon before the decade was over.....
He was killed and all of his words reached epic and prophetic heights.
As if he was ‘mother Teresa’ and the epitome of a visionair.

In the mean time there were riots on American soil and racial disturbances,...
Wicked politicians after wicked politicians made Vietnam hell on earth and the president who took it to ‘1984’ levels of state control and deceit was the one claiming the final succes during a phonecall to the moon.
Something that was really helpfull as the ultimate distraction in the middle of the political mess America was in.

The odds that any outlandish space claim they made was genuine is almost zero considering all of the above.
Granted there is a slim possibility that they indeed did succeed despite a sea of lies, destruction, propaganda and more.

But there is no vehicle, suit, battery, test facility, original tapes left that universities can examine and test.
Put a person in a 1969 moonsuit in a near vacuum chamber and see what happens after 2 hours..... the least attractive test, but everyone knows from their ‘gut feeling’ ( hated over here) that this will be deadly for the volunteer.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2018, 01:49:38 PM »
But there is no vehicle, suit, battery, test facility, original tapes left that universities can examine and test.

Two words: moon rocks

Now go use the google.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2018, 02:07:28 PM »
But there is no vehicle, suit, battery, test facility, original tapes left that universities can examine and test.

Two words: moon rocks

Now go use the google.
I’m from the Netherlands and the best prime minister post WW2 called Willem Drees received petrified wood as a gift instead of moonrock.
It was given to him as a friend of America who received the Americans at his humble kitchen table to discuss the Marchall plan in his early career.
The Americans only were served with tea and a Maria cookie (poor men’s quality)
In Italy they were invited in the most fancy restaurants.....Wow .....so the story goes..... ‘ the Netherlands will spend our future money well indeed’.
Willem Drees was honest and humble and reached breakthrough levels with pensions and care.
The internet gives you a superficial coward pro NASA explanation as why this was the case and if this could happen.
A simple ‘NASA never distributed petrified wood’..... or ‘Drees was confused in the latter stages of his life’
Now you go and learn Dutch to understand that the story is 100% true.
Drees received petrified wood instead of moonrock.

And Werner von Braun went to the Southpole in the middle of Apollo.....
Antartica were one could easily find moonrock in abbundance....

Is this forum not a bit over your head ?

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2018, 02:25:51 PM »
Is this forum not a bit over your head ?

Yes, it would appear so. Your refutations of all things reality are something of a marvel.

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2018, 02:54:05 PM »
Haha.  You know what I mean.
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It’s highly unlikely you would have stumbled on it if you weren’t following the things that support your world view.
Darn,...... now you know my little secret about the YouTube highpriests who’s knowledge is beyond this realm..... they are different and not infected by science, proof, reason and numbers ..... i am their humble mouthpiece  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Believing the moonlanding is basically the same....
A wicked regime who gave Nazi’s a new identity and lied about the total amount of war criminals who were let of the hook....
Started the most childish and damaging pissing contest with Russia ever seen in the history of mankind.
Partly based on SF nonsence from the pedophile Arthur C. Clarke and the connection with Disney.
Werner von Braun who willingly worked for Hitler, killing the laziest factory worker of the week during his management and bombed the hell out of London town for no reason at all......he was the mastermind behind the rocket technology.....
If someone ever was open to blackmail Werner was.......
This is total outlandish garbage made up because anything else does not fit your "worldview".
Yet your "worldview" has no support in either observable evidence or history.

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The odds that any outlandish space claim they made was genuine is almost zero considering all of the above.
Granted there is a slim possibility that they indeed did succeed despite a sea of lies, destruction, propaganda and more.
There is nothing outlandish about any space claim and it is only a few like you and other flat-earthers that deny all space missions.
Virtually all of "your YouTube highpriests" believe in space missions of some sort and most lunar mission hoaxers also believe the earth to be a Globe.
There are some, like Heiwa, Anders Björkman, (see I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge), that believe only Low Earth Orbit unmanned mission (he has lots of shares in ArianeSpace).
And many quite accept LEO human missions and other unmanned missions.

But the few, like you, deny the possibility of any space travel simply it will not fit "your worldview" yet that is quite at odds with that of virtually everybody, including those of the early and current Church.

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But there is no vehicle, suit, battery, test facility, original tapes left that universities can examine and test.
That is a totally untrue but obviously most things used on the moon were left there or in space.
Go and read: APOLLO SPACE SUIT, 1962–1974, Frederica, Delaware. but existing suits, now around 60 years old have deteriorated too much to test.
As for Lunar Modules (LMs) see what happened to all and where they now are: LOCATION OF APOLLO LUNAR MODULES.
Now excuse me if I copy-n-paste, but, unlike YOU, I do not drag this stuff from my fertile imagination!
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Test-Driving the Lunar Rover
Before it went to the moon, this spacecraft on wheels had to be put through its paces on Earth.


Working on the Qualification Test Unit at Boeing, above. The large, footed, white tank is the thermal vacuum chamber.
(Courtesy of Pogue Special Collections and Archives Library, Murray State University Libraries, Murray, KY)
NASA finished shaking, freezing, frying, and dropping the test rover in 1972, and three years later transferred it to the National Air and Space Museum.
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The rovers that revolutionized lunar exploration on the Apollo 15, 16, and 17 missions had to be left behind at the Hadley-Apennine, Descartes Highlands, and Taurus-Littrow landing sites, respectively.

It’s a much shorter and easier trip to see their identical understudy, the LRV Qualification Test Unit, in the Museum’s exhibit, “Apollo to the Moon.”

Read more at https://www.airspacemag.com/space/the-spacecraft-on-wheels-180963200/#cDb2QtBIXqZPo7VC.99

Read more at Test-Driving the Lunar Rover
But, I doubt that the 60 year year old barrery would be much use.

You deny all this stuff because, like Heiwa, you do not know enough of the science to understand it and accepting totally disrupts you ideas on the world.

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Put a person in a 1969 moonsuit in a near vacuum chamber and see what happens after 2 hours..... the least attractive test, but everyone knows from their ‘gut feeling’ ( hated over here) that this will be deadly for the volunteer.
What on earth do you mean? Current EVA suits are based on similar design and are tested in vacuum chambers and used in space!

Spacesuit training in a vacuum chamber at NASA Johnson
And this attracts idiotic comments like this from people that don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about:
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When we look at NASA's figures of pressure in outer space it is assumed that it is 100000000000000 times more of a vacuum (less pressure) than anything that has been created in any vacuum chamber on Earth. This means that the greatest vacuum created in a vacuum chamber is no where near that of what, supposedly, exists in outer space. If anything enters the vacuum of outer space it would disintegrate immediately into almost nothingness, molecular bonding forces would not be sufficient to maintain structure under such circumstance.
Can't people realise that "100000000000000 times more of a vacuum (less pressure) than anything that has been created in any vacuum chamber on Earth" is just closer to zero pressure?

Still, dutchy, we do sympathise. It your mind, if it doesn't fit your personal worldview it is completely impossible! A little more copy&paste:
Quote from: Shakespeare
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2018, 02:55:34 PM »
I’m from the Netherlands and the best prime minister post WW2 called Willem Drees received petrified wood as a gift instead of moonrock.
No, he didn't!

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Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2018, 03:31:18 PM »
Sonday school is part of a religious indoctrination program of the past just like ‘pseudo science’ is in modern times.
Those who want to enslave little children in order to have lasting rulership over future adults
Yes, also known as religion.
But you seem fine with that with your preaching of a creator.

Like those astronauts daring to read the bible while lying about going around the moon.
And more baseless claims from you?
Where is your evidence that they are lying about going to the moon?
The best you have to question their credibility is them reading a book full of garbage.

i let go the sunday school indoctrination
Except you clearly haven't as you still foolishly believe in a creator.
Meanwhile I discarded it and accepted reality.

and the pseudo science/globe/evolution/cosmic indoctrination.......and started all over again.
And yes i found God in the process !
You mean and you rejected all scientific progress, going back before the dark age and starting with the same religious nonsense?

More problematic is when something is missing you look in the wrong direction for answers.
Yes, such as when looking to religious nonsense rather than science/reality. i.e. what you did.

You have given me nothing at all just some indoctrinated info that i can look up within 15 minutes
You mean reality, not indoctrinated info.
Reality isn't indoctrinated info.

I have presented many proof against the moonlandings for instance
I am yet to see you provide a single piece of evidence against them.
All you have are paranoid ramblings.

I did however got something out of it, that if humans not successfully went back before 2069  the initial claims could indeed be sort of false.
You are yet to provide any reason for why we should go back.
It is an extremely expensive process to send people to the moon.
There is no justification to go.
There isn't even the justification of making an achievement because it has already been done.

As such, your argument amounts to nothing.

what proof do you need when comparing all the broken promisses about future moon
How about actual evidence against them going, rather than simply over promising?

Clear proof that they were talking out of their ass back then
Only about the future, not what they were actually doing.
Their promises relied upon technological advancements which they were hoping for which would make it cheap to go to space, such as space elevators.
Instead of these cheap options, they still rely upon rocket fuel, which remains expensive.
They also became more conscious regarding the hazards.

Think of this:
People go to the moon with NASA.
They come back.
Then after some time they get cancer for whatever reason.
They then decide to sue NASA for "giving them cancer".

Taking people to the moon is a massive risk with today's society which just seems to want to sue people.

This applies to so many different areas.
In the past people claimed everyone would be driving cheap electric cars, with high speed trains travelling through vacuum tubes, and so on.
Yet these promises have failed to realise.
Does that mean there are no electric cars and no high speed trains? NO!
It just means they have overestimated what would happen.

'But uhhhh they have destroyed all technologies and have forgotten sone serious space related stuff needed to go out there
No. They have significantly advanced the technology with comes with other limitations.

Notice how this is just more moaning about now rather than having any actual evidence against them being able to do it?

When a car can drive it is proof of the underlying science
And notice, "A" car. Not when everyone can have a car.
Likewise, when a rocket can go to space, it is proof of the underlying science. When a person goes to the moon it is proof of the underlying science.
It doesn't require everyone to have a rocket or everyone to go to the moon.

Earth's spin, the moonlandings, the big bang , macro evolution etc. have so much philosophical elements instead of real evidence that we must clearly distinct between the two.
You mean they have plenty of real, solid evidence, such that no sane person would doubt them.

If you claim the coriolis effect is real science , my reply was/is that there are lots of extreem large indoors facilities that can check if it is the truth or an oldwives tale that a long distance shooter must take the coriolis effect into account.
Notice how you aren't actually providing evidence against it, nor are you countering any of the already existing evidence for it?
Instead you are just complaining that the evidence you want doesn't exist.
THAT IS NOT SCIENCE!
Science is not trying to test something in every possible conceivable way.
It is trying to test it in reasonable ways. That has been done.
Testing in more ways which would produce equivalent results isn't going to help.

a better and accurate data mapping of the effect is not needed,..... unless one wants to proof Einstein's cosmic ripple's..... then we can measure the size of 1000the of a proton's diameter.
Why?
Because it is something new.
If we already have proof beyond any reasonable doubt, and the more advanced measurements wouldn't do anything, using those more advanced measurements is nothing more than a complete waste of money.
If we don't already have that evidence, and these more advanced measurements can allow us to get it, then it arguably is not a waste or money.

I have presented so much what could and should have been tested
No you haven't.
You have presented a lot of what could have been tested. You are yet to justify why it should.
Until you provide that justification of why it should, you have less than no argument.
Even if you do provide a justification of why it should, you still have no argument as you have nothing to refute all the tests which have already been done.

i see no reason to give all blueprints and data free for everyone to research.
Then file a FOI request and see what you get, or see what information you can already find.
Also notice that just because no one wants to go to the moon doesn't mean the technology doesn't have other applications such as in the delivery of weapons.

That is the 'scientific method',... not your quasi scientific nonsense derived from some  online source that has some NASA logo on it .
No. Rejecting something because you don't have all the data you want or because people didn't perform tests you want is not the scientific method.

The NASA  'shredder'  destroys blueprints, data that enables you to built something back without a painfull process !!
Nope. Even with the blueprints it would still be a painful process to get it all back as it uses a bunch of technology which has been completely superseded.
So you either need to find the technology to manufacture it, or upgrade it.

And 'destroyed'  means a disfunctional assembly line .....
You mean an assembly which doesn't exist any more, using parts which don't exist anymore except as components in museums (or stuck on the moon), run by people who have likely retired.
I would say that is destroyed.
We no longer have the craft to go to the moon in a functional state to go to the moon, nor the processes to easily make a new one.

And 'painfull process' means 'takes some time'
No, take a considerable amount of time, effort and resources.
You know, what it typically means.
It doesn't mean it will cause physical pain.

The odds that any outlandish space claim they made was genuine is almost zero considering all of the above.
Yes, when you ignore all the actual evidence and instead paint in in a paranoid spotlight.
But there is nothing sane about your reasoning.

I’m from the Netherlands and the best prime minister post WW2 called Willem Drees received petrified wood as a gift instead of moonrock.
Where this was in no way presented as a moon rock, being completely inconsistent with the samples actually given out. It was significantly larger than any of the other samples and presented in a completely different manner.
They also have the 2 samples that were officially given to the Netherlands, and people can't find a problem with that.

There is absolutely no sane reason to think that this was presented on behalf of NASA as an actual rock from the moon by anyone who actually bothers looking into it.