Nasa paying people to keep quite, how much would that cost?

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:29:17 AM

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron

Yeah NASA made him place his car on the railroad tracks.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 07:31:12 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:29:17 AM

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron

Yeah NASA made him place his car on the railroad tracks.

That article fails to mention that the 500 page report was destroyed shortly after the "Accident".

https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/the-apollo-1-conspiracy-did-nasa-covered-up-gus-grissoms-death/

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

The Saturn V blueprints weren't all destroyed. A lot of the papers still exist in archives.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/20302/were-the-saturn-v-construction-plans-destroyed
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-NASA-lost-the-plans-for-the-Saturn-V-rocket-If-so-how-is-it-possible

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

NASA also accidentally destroyed all of the original "moon landings" films.  I am starting see a pattern here.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 09:06:01 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

The Saturn V blueprints weren't all destroyed. A lot of the papers still exist in archives.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/20302/were-the-saturn-v-construction-plans-destroyed
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-NASA-lost-the-plans-for-the-Saturn-V-rocket-If-so-how-is-it-possible

I'm going to need to start putting /sarcasm after my posts.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 11:43:13 AM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 09:06:01 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

The Saturn V blueprints weren't all destroyed. A lot of the papers still exist in archives.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/20302/were-the-saturn-v-construction-plans-destroyed
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-NASA-lost-the-plans-for-the-Saturn-V-rocket-If-so-how-is-it-possible

I'm going to need to start putting /sarcasm after my posts.

We use green text for sarcasm. 

(really, not being sarcastic. )

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

31 October 1964 - Theodore Freeman was killed in the crash of a T-38 at Ellington AFB near Houston. The aircraft crashed after it was struck by a snow goose. The impact caused pieces of the canopy to enter both engines. He ejected, but was too low for his parachute to deploy completely.

28 February 1966 - Charles Bassett and Elliot See, who were the prime crew for Gemini 9, were killed in the crash of a T-38 in St. Louis, MO.

27 January 1967; Apollo 1 - Astronauts Roger Chaffee, Virgil Grissom (Mercury 4 and Gemini 3), and Edward White (Gemini 4) were killed at Cape Kennedy during a training exercise for the Apollo 1 mission. The crew died as a result of a fire within the spacecraft cabin.

6 June 1967 - Edward Givens was killed in an automobile accident near Houston, TX.

5 October 1967 - Clifton Williams was killed in the crash of a T-38 near Tallahassee, FL.

15 November 1967 X-15 - Michael J. Adams was killed after the vehicle departed from controlled flight and experienced an inflight breakup. Adams, who was also a USAF astronaut candidate for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, was posthumously awarded the USAF Astronaut Badge because the accident flight exceeded 50 miles (80 km) in altitude.

While the current incarnation of the Astronaut Badge is awarded by NASA and US military organizations for flights above 100 km (the internationally recognized boundary of space), at the time of Adam's crash, NASA and the USAF awarded the badge for flights above 50 miles. Six other X-15 pilots besides Adams qualified for the Astronaut Badge for reaching altitudes between 50 miles and 100 km. One X-15 pilot, Joe Walker flew higher than 100 km in the X-15 on two occasions in 1963, making him the first person to fly into space twice. The X-15 program was jointly managed by NASA and USAF.

8 December 1967 - Robert H. Lawrence, Jr. was killed in the crash of F-104 Starfighter at Edwards AFB, CA. He was killed in a training flight where he was acting as an instructor pilot where the aircraft was simulating a steep glide technique of the type that was later used for the Space Shuttle. At the time of his death, he was a USAF astronaut candidate in the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) program, which had planned to use small space stations as reconnaissance platforms. That program was cancelled in 1969, and seven members of the MOL program eventually flew on the Space Shuttle.

28 January 1986; Space Shuttle Challenger (STS-51L): Cold launch temperatures contributed to a failure of O-rings on one of the solid rocket motors. As a result of this failure, hot exhaust gases escaped out of the side of the solid rocket motor that in turn led to a major structural failure of the launch vehicle about 73 seconds after liftoff. All seven crew members were killed. The crew members were:
Gregory Jarvis, Christa McAuliffe ,
Ronald McNair (STS 41-B),
Ellison Onizuka (STS 51-C),
Judith Resnik (STS 41-D),
Francis Scobee (STS 41-C), and Michael Smith.

NASA Information on the Challenger Accident
Report on cause of death of crew
NASA audio from the Challenger launch
President Ronald Reagan's Challenger speech
Rogers Commission accident report

24 May 1986 - Stephen Thorne was killed when the Pitts Special aircraft in which he was riding crashed in Santa Fe, TX. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

17 June 1989 - S. David Griggs (STS 51-D) was killed in a vintage WWII aircraft while practicing for an air show in Earle, AR. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

5 April 1991 - Sonny Carter (STS 33) was killed in an airliner crash involving an Atlantic Southeast Airlines Brasilia aircraft. The crash occurred while Carter was traveling on NASA business.

22 May 2001 - Patricia Robertson and her flight instructor were killed as a result of injuries sustained in a plane crash. She was on a training flight that was not related to any NASA project.

1 February 2003; Space Shuttle Columbia ( STS-107), over northeast Texas: Columbia was in the re-entry phase of flight after a 16-day mission and its intended destination was the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Communications with the shuttle were lost at about 9 a.m. local time. At the time of the most catastrophic phase of the breakup, the spacecraft was at an altitude of about 203,000 feet (approx. 39 mi. or 63 km) and was traveling at about Mach 18 (roughly 12,500 mph or 20,000 kph).

While most of the debris landed in northeast Texas and western Louisiana, especially the area around the town of Nacagdoches (Knack-a-doe-chess), the breakup very likely began further west, possibly before the spacecraft passed over California. All seven astronauts on board the spacecraft were killed. The crew members were:
Michael Anderson (STS-89), David Brown,
Kalpana Chawla (STS-87), Laurel Clark,
Rick Husband (STS-96), William McCool, and Ilan Ramon.

Columbia Accident Investigation Board (CAIB) report

31 October 2014; SpaceShipTwo; near Cantil, CA - Michael Alsbury, a civilian test pilot for the Scaled Composites company, was killed during a flight test of the SpaceShipTwo near Mojave, CA. The spacecraft, which was being developed for the Virgin Galactic company for use in commercial suborbital space flights, was on a test flight to evaluate the performance of its rocket engine.

Shortly after SpaceShipTwo was launched from its carrier aircraft, an apparent early deployment of a speed control system led to an inflight breakup. The other crew member, Peter Siebold, was able to parachute to safety

Siebold is the second person to survive a mishap that resulted in the loss of a space vehicle, with the first being astronaut Virgil (Gus) Grissom who survived the sinking of his Mercury 4 capsule. Siebold is also the first person to survive a fatal space vehicle mishap.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 23, 2018, 02:33:33 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 11:43:13 AM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 09:06:01 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

The Saturn V blueprints weren't all destroyed. A lot of the papers still exist in archives.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/20302/were-the-saturn-v-construction-plans-destroyed
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-NASA-lost-the-plans-for-the-Saturn-V-rocket-If-so-how-is-it-possible

I'm going to need to start putting /sarcasm after my posts.

We use green text for sarcasm. 

(really, not being sarcastic. )

That sounds like unnecessary effort.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 07:31:12 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:29:17 AM

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron

Yeah NASA made him place his car on the railroad tracks.

That article fails to mention that the 500 page report was destroyed shortly after the "Accident".

https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/the-apollo-1-conspiracy-did-nasa-covered-up-gus-grissoms-death/

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

Some bedtime reading for you. There have been many deaths attributed to NASA. These are just the ones made public. There are probably many more skeletons in the closets of NASA

Quote

31 October 1964 - Theodore Freeman was killed in the crash of a T-38 at Ellington AFB near Houston. The aircraft crashed after it was struck by a snow goose. The impact caused pieces of the canopy to enter both engines. He ejected, but was too low for his parachute to deploy completely.

28 February 1966 - Charles Bassett and Elliot See, who were the prime crew for Gemini 9, were killed in the crash of a T-38 in St. Louis, MO.

27 January 1967; Apollo 1 - Astronauts Roger Chaffee, Virgil Grissom (Mercury 4 and Gemini 3), and Edward White (Gemini 4) were killed at Cape Kennedy during a training exercise for the Apollo 1 mission. The crew died as a result of a fire within the spacecraft cabin.

6 June 1967 - Edward Givens was killed in an automobile accident near Houston, TX.

5 October 1967 - Clifton Williams was killed in the crash of a T-38 near Tallahassee, FL.

15 November 1967 X-15 - Michael J. Adams was killed after the vehicle departed from controlled flight and experienced an inflight breakup. Adams, who was also a USAF astronaut candidate for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, was posthumously awarded the USAF Astronaut Badge because the accident flight exceeded 50 miles (80 km) in altitude.

While the current incarnation of the Astronaut Badge is awarded by NASA and US military organizations for flights above 100 km (the internationally recognized boundary of space), at the time of Adam's crash, NASA and the USAF awarded the badge for flights above 50 miles. Six other X-15 pilots besides Adams qualified for the Astronaut Badge for reaching altitudes between 50 miles and 100 km. One X-15 pilot, Joe Walker flew higher than 100 km in the X-15 on two occasions in 1963, making him the first person to fly into space twice. The X-15 program was jointly managed by NASA and USAF.

8 December 1967 - Robert H. Lawrence, Jr. was killed in the crash of F-104 Starfighter at Edwards AFB, CA. He was killed in a training flight where he was acting as an instructor pilot where the aircraft was simulating a steep glide technique of the type that was later used for the Space Shuttle. At the time of his death, he was a USAF astronaut candidate in the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) program, which had planned to use small space stations as reconnaissance platforms. That program was cancelled in 1969, and seven members of the MOL program eventually flew on the Space Shuttle.

28 January 1986; Space Shuttle Challenger (STS-51L): Cold launch temperatures contributed to a failure of O-rings on one of the solid rocket motors. As a result of this failure, hot exhaust gases escaped out of the side of the solid rocket motor that in turn led to a major structural failure of the launch vehicle about 73 seconds after liftoff. All seven crew members were killed. The crew members were:
Gregory Jarvis, Christa McAuliffe ,
Ronald McNair (STS 41-B),
Ellison Onizuka (STS 51-C),
Judith Resnik (STS 41-D),
Francis Scobee (STS 41-C), and Michael Smith.

NASA Information on the Challenger Accident
Report on cause of death of crew
NASA audio from the Challenger launch
President Ronald Reagan's Challenger speech
Rogers Commission accident report

24 May 1986 - Stephen Thorne was killed when the Pitts Special aircraft in which he was riding crashed in Santa Fe, TX. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

17 June 1989 - S. David Griggs (STS 51-D) was killed in a vintage WWII aircraft while practicing for an air show in Earle, AR. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

5 April 1991 - Sonny Carter (STS 33) was killed in an airliner crash involving an Atlantic Southeast Airlines Brasilia aircraft. The crash occurred while Carter was traveling on NASA business.

22 May 2001 - Patricia Robertson and her flight instructor were killed as a result of injuries sustained in a plane crash. She was on a training flight that was not related to any NASA project.

1 February 2003; Space Shuttle Columbia ( STS-107), over northeast Texas: Columbia was in the re-entry phase of flight after a 16-day mission and its intended destination was the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Communications with the shuttle were lost at about 9 a.m. local time. At the time of the most catastrophic phase of the breakup, the spacecraft was at an altitude of about 203,000 feet (approx. 39 mi. or 63 km) and was traveling at about Mach 18 (roughly 12,500 mph or 20,000 kph).

While most of the debris landed in northeast Texas and western Louisiana, especially the area around the town of Nacagdoches (Knack-a-doe-chess), the breakup very likely began further west, possibly before the spacecraft passed over California. All seven astronauts on board the spacecraft were killed. The crew members were:
Michael Anderson (STS-89), David Brown,
Kalpana Chawla (STS-87), Laurel Clark,
Rick Husband (STS-96), William McCool, and Ilan Ramon.

Columbia Accident Investigation Board (CAIB) report

31 October 2014; SpaceShipTwo; near Cantil, CA - Michael Alsbury, a civilian test pilot for the Scaled Composites company, was killed during a flight test of the SpaceShipTwo near Mojave, CA. The spacecraft, which was being developed for the Virgin Galactic company for use in commercial suborbital space flights, was on a test flight to evaluate the performance of its rocket engine.

Shortly after SpaceShipTwo was launched from its carrier aircraft, an apparent early deployment of a speed control system led to an inflight breakup. The other crew member, Peter Siebold, was able to parachute to safety

Siebold is the second person to survive a mishap that resulted in the loss of a space vehicle, with the first being astronaut Virgil (Gus) Grissom who survived the sinking of his Mercury 4 capsule. Siebold is also the first person to survive a fatal space vehicle mishap.

Quote from: Shifter on May 23, 2018, 02:49:31 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 23, 2018, 07:14:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 06:13:54 AM

Why would they pay people to be quit when the threat of deaths works even better?

Feel free to share with us some evidence of NASA killing people to keep a secret that isn't a secret.  You people are fucking nuts.

Some bedtime reading for you. There have been many deaths attributed to NASA. These are just the ones made public. There are probably many more skeletons in the closets of NASA

Quote

31 October 1964 - Theodore Freeman was killed in the crash of a T-38 at Ellington AFB near Houston. The aircraft crashed after it was struck by a snow goose. The impact caused pieces of the canopy to enter both engines. He ejected, but was too low for his parachute to deploy completely.

28 February 1966 - Charles Bassett and Elliot See, who were the prime crew for Gemini 9, were killed in the crash of a T-38 in St. Louis, MO.

27 January 1967; Apollo 1 - Astronauts Roger Chaffee, Virgil Grissom (Mercury 4 and Gemini 3), and Edward White (Gemini 4) were killed at Cape Kennedy during a training exercise for the Apollo 1 mission. The crew died as a result of a fire within the spacecraft cabin.

6 June 1967 - Edward Givens was killed in an automobile accident near Houston, TX.

5 October 1967 - Clifton Williams was killed in the crash of a T-38 near Tallahassee, FL.

15 November 1967 X-15 - Michael J. Adams was killed after the vehicle departed from controlled flight and experienced an inflight breakup. Adams, who was also a USAF astronaut candidate for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, was posthumously awarded the USAF Astronaut Badge because the accident flight exceeded 50 miles (80 km) in altitude.

While the current incarnation of the Astronaut Badge is awarded by NASA and US military organizations for flights above 100 km (the internationally recognized boundary of space), at the time of Adam's crash, NASA and the USAF awarded the badge for flights above 50 miles. Six other X-15 pilots besides Adams qualified for the Astronaut Badge for reaching altitudes between 50 miles and 100 km. One X-15 pilot, Joe Walker flew higher than 100 km in the X-15 on two occasions in 1963, making him the first person to fly into space twice. The X-15 program was jointly managed by NASA and USAF.

8 December 1967 - Robert H. Lawrence, Jr. was killed in the crash of F-104 Starfighter at Edwards AFB, CA. He was killed in a training flight where he was acting as an instructor pilot where the aircraft was simulating a steep glide technique of the type that was later used for the Space Shuttle. At the time of his death, he was a USAF astronaut candidate in the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) program, which had planned to use small space stations as reconnaissance platforms. That program was cancelled in 1969, and seven members of the MOL program eventually flew on the Space Shuttle.

28 January 1986; Space Shuttle Challenger (STS-51L): Cold launch temperatures contributed to a failure of O-rings on one of the solid rocket motors. As a result of this failure, hot exhaust gases escaped out of the side of the solid rocket motor that in turn led to a major structural failure of the launch vehicle about 73 seconds after liftoff. All seven crew members were killed. The crew members were:
Gregory Jarvis, Christa McAuliffe ,
Ronald McNair (STS 41-B),
Ellison Onizuka (STS 51-C),
Judith Resnik (STS 41-D),
Francis Scobee (STS 41-C), and Michael Smith.

NASA Information on the Challenger Accident
Report on cause of death of crew
NASA audio from the Challenger launch
President Ronald Reagan's Challenger speech
Rogers Commission accident report

24 May 1986 - Stephen Thorne was killed when the Pitts Special aircraft in which he was riding crashed in Santa Fe, TX. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

17 June 1989 - S. David Griggs (STS 51-D) was killed in a vintage WWII aircraft while practicing for an air show in Earle, AR. His flight was unrelated to any NASA project.

5 April 1991 - Sonny Carter (STS 33) was killed in an airliner crash involving an Atlantic Southeast Airlines Brasilia aircraft. The crash occurred while Carter was traveling on NASA business.

22 May 2001 - Patricia Robertson and her flight instructor were killed as a result of injuries sustained in a plane crash. She was on a training flight that was not related to any NASA project.

1 February 2003; Space Shuttle Columbia ( STS-107), over northeast Texas: Columbia was in the re-entry phase of flight after a 16-day mission and its intended destination was the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Communications with the shuttle were lost at about 9 a.m. local time. At the time of the most catastrophic phase of the breakup, the spacecraft was at an altitude of about 203,000 feet (approx. 39 mi. or 63 km) and was traveling at about Mach 18 (roughly 12,500 mph or 20,000 kph).

While most of the debris landed in northeast Texas and western Louisiana, especially the area around the town of Nacagdoches (Knack-a-doe-chess), the breakup very likely began further west, possibly before the spacecraft passed over California. All seven astronauts on board the spacecraft were killed. The crew members were:
Michael Anderson (STS-89), David Brown,
Kalpana Chawla (STS-87), Laurel Clark,
Rick Husband (STS-96), William McCool, and Ilan Ramon.

Columbia Accident Investigation Board (CAIB) report

31 October 2014; SpaceShipTwo; near Cantil, CA - Michael Alsbury, a civilian test pilot for the Scaled Composites company, was killed during a flight test of the SpaceShipTwo near Mojave, CA. The spacecraft, which was being developed for the Virgin Galactic company for use in commercial suborbital space flights, was on a test flight to evaluate the performance of its rocket engine.

Shortly after SpaceShipTwo was launched from its carrier aircraft, an apparent early deployment of a speed control system led to an inflight breakup. The other crew member, Peter Siebold, was able to parachute to safety

Siebold is the second person to survive a mishap that resulted in the loss of a space vehicle, with the first being astronaut Virgil (Gus) Grissom who survived the sinking of his Mercury 4 capsule. Siebold is also the first person to survive a fatal space vehicle mishap.

This is not evidence that NASA has people killed.  This is just a log of people who happened to work for NASA being in accidents.  I can show you a log of McDonalds employees that have been involved in accidents also.  That doesn't mean that McDonalds is executing people.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

NASA also accidentally destroyed all of the original "moon landings" films.  I am starting see a pattern here.

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Jroa, those are not mutually exclusive. The space business, as well as any flying, comes with a particular risk. Not because some government agency will kill you, but because these are machines with fuel flying much faster than any other manmade object. They have a possibility of malfunctioning. Human error could cause problems. The weather might cause problems. You can't say every death surrounding something means that the people were all killed.

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 09:20:17 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

NASA also accidentally destroyed all of the original "moon landings" films.  I am starting see a pattern here.

They did not. They destroyed the high-def. copies of the 1st moon landing footage (and only the first landing). lower-res copies, the ones the public saw and have since been restored, are still available. 16mm film of the first moon landing also exists. And all video of all other landings exist as well (well, for 12 the camera kinda broke early on, but there's still 16mm film and the parts that remain of the camera).

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 07:17:27 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Jroa, those are not mutually exclusive. The space business, as well as any flying, comes with a particular risk. Not because some government agency will kill you, but because these are machines with fuel flying much faster than any other manmade object. They have a possibility of malfunctioning. Human error could cause problems. The weather might cause problems. You can't say every death surrounding something means that the people were all killed.

A sabotaged o-ring was all it took to bring down the challenger in the 80's killing all on board.

Quote from: Shifter on May 23, 2018, 07:20:30 PM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 07:17:27 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Jroa, those are not mutually exclusive. The space business, as well as any flying, comes with a particular risk. Not because some government agency will kill you, but because these are machines with fuel flying much faster than any other manmade object. They have a possibility of malfunctioning. Human error could cause problems. The weather might cause problems. You can't say every death surrounding something means that the people were all killed.

A sabotaged o-ring was all it took to bring down the challenger in the 80's killing all on board.

By sabotage, did you mean the cold weather spell that contributed to the failure of the O ring as described in the Rogers Commission Report ?
Like all flat earth conspiracy ideas they come with no proof.

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 09:20:17 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on May 23, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Was it destroyed with the Saturn V design.

NASA also accidentally destroyed all of the original "moon landings" films.  I am starting see a pattern here.

They did not. They destroyed the high-def. copies of the 1st moon landing footage (and only the first landing). lower-res copies, the ones the public saw and have since been restored, are still available. 16mm film of the first moon landing also exists. And all video of all other landings exist as well (well, for 12 the camera kinda broke early on, but there's still 16mm film and the parts that remain of the camera).

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Jroa, those are not mutually exclusive. The space business, as well as any flying, comes with a particular risk. Not because some government agency will kill you, but because these are machines with fuel flying much faster than any other manmade object. They have a possibility of malfunctioning. Human error could cause problems. The weather might cause problems. You can't say every death surrounding something means that the people were all killed.

Don't forget to mention the Apollo 11 footage that was recovered from an IBM contractors basement, as well as the pioneer and Helios missions.  NASA sure has a nack for making problems disappear.

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.

At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 23, 2018, 07:17:27 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

I can show you a long list of people associated with the Clintons who suffered untimely yet suspicious deaths.  Are you saying they are all just coincidences?

Jroa, those are not mutually exclusive. The space business, as well as any flying, comes with a particular risk. Not because some government agency will kill you, but because these are machines with fuel flying much faster than any other manmade object. They have a possibility of malfunctioning. Human error could cause problems. The weather might cause problems. You can't say every death surrounding something means that the people were all killed.

I think you meant not mutually inclusive, as in, "Just because the Clintons kill a lot of people, that does not mean that NASA does it too."