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So, is London north or south of Moscow?

In January Moscow is much colder in July it is warmer than London.

Where does that leave the map?

So, is London north or south of Moscow?

In January Moscow is much colder in July it is warmer than London.

Where does that leave the map?

I have not to explain anything. This is a common working, not a discussing. Ask your questions in QA or debate sections.

Stop to do kamikaze attacks.

If you really want to listen I do same things with globist liars, of course, I can produce similar reasons:

"Northern heat winds heats Moscow area in summer and same winds occurred in winter in UK".

Of course, Moscow is inside and London is a sea side so their climate is different. As I said that, here is not a debate section and I don't want to continue this discussing anymore.

Hey botd, how's the map coming?
Just looking for an update.

I still don't understand why you are using flight times.
Aren't these times posted by airlines that are part of the conspiracy?

Just flying way off shortest course to keep the secret?
I disagree with your method but admire the attempt.

Cuz nobody else on FE is doing anything.

Deeted my previous post for more study of your map.

Hey botd, how's the map coming?
Just looking for an update.

I still don't understand why you are using flight times.
Aren't these times posted by airlines that are part of the conspiracy?

Just flying way off shortest course to keep the secret?
I disagree with your method but admire the attempt.

Cuz nobody else on FE is doing anything.

I finished the general shape of the earth. You or anybody who want to see a real map, may overlap it with using an actual map.  I'll not do that, at least for now.

This is a better map to show only cities and distances. It seems more practical for different usages.

Flight times are not reliable, but it is not worst than using google datas. I use both together. Sometimes google doesn't work. For example,  distances in China and RUssia are so so wrong. You can't understand the true size and shape of Russia and China without using flight times. If google claimed two distances Russia and China are same in the globe map; it actually means the distance in China is bigger than distance in Russia. Only flight time gives it.

I know they are misleading too. But they can't deceive people without producing fake/hoax routes.

For example,

To create a fake prove about globe, they need to create a fake route between Sydney and Santiago/chile. I can distinguish such hoax routes from others. Because the provided data from that route comes inconsistent, related to the others. So I still think flight times are more reliable than distances in the map. At least, the lie on the map doesn't require anything. Just a draw and produce a lie. But a fake flight time hoax need more lies and hoaxes like create a fake route, make an agreement with airlines line Qantas, South African and Lan airlines,... These can be proven next a time. the responsibles may be tried on charges of "deceiving the public". But nobody can blame someone for draw a false map.

My working both works for correct map, and reveals the dishonest companies that will be blamed with some crimes.

Svalbard

Svalbard is added with the values come from Oslo and Tromso. Because there is only flights towards these cities. So that the others defined as non reliable and this two data defined as reliable. (corrected by flight times)

Svalbard   Oslo   2018
Svalbard   Tromso   889

Because of there was insufficient data that just 2, so that it colored as magenta.

Severnaya Zemlya

Severnaya Zemlya is added as new leader of the world the place nearest to the N. It is here as ballist theory.



We found it as here:



If you take care, it is north of Udachny and Northwest of the Yakutsk. If you want these 3 in the map:



As a result, Svalbard as the top of the Europe and Severnaya Zemlya  as the new king of the earth are added on the roof of the earth. The shape of the center coming closer to be revealed.



I hope a shape is occurred in everyone's mind after these two cities are added.

Yakutsk the king is dead! Long live the king Severnaya Zemlya!

We found an island as the roof of the earth. I may show it on the ball map like this:



These islands are nearest place to the center till we found a better one. But we know that it is closer than the islands shown in same latitude with it. The others are lie. This is the top of the earth. It is only 755 kms far to the center.



If you look to north of it on a map, you see nothing!

On google, you can measure from it to North about 700kms, like our map:



Proven. there is nothing between this island and North. But we considered that there is something at there. If there is a normal place, aircrafts may travel around it. Don't they?



There is no aircraft runs from North of the Sevelnaya something.

There is an aircraft seems pass from here. Lets look to it:



Gotcha! Define it as "forbidden zone".

As a result, the North of Sevelnaya island is forbidden zone; neither aircrafts, nor ships can enter that area.

All places cause the center of the earth are added.

Alert (North East Canada)
Upper Greenland (North West Greenland)
Severnaya Zemlya (North west Yakutsk)
Kotelny Island (North East Yakutsk)

Alert and North side of Greenland from Canada side; Severnaya Zemlya and Kotelny Islands from Russian side are added. These 4 places are only places surrounded the center. Whole others are far. Others seem close to center but they are not. Only these 4 islands.



Control them:

Travel on them in google maps:



3.004 kms. We went from Alert to Upper Green land, then Severnaya then Kotelny.

Lets do it in our map:



We travelled same route as: 238+1138+352=1.728kms.

In google, the travel around these places 3.000kms, and in our map same distance is 1.700kms.

If we consider that; in fact, first a few latitudes are absent! and the center is smaller than shown in the map; then it may be cause a 1.300kms difference and perfectly overlaps!

We'll continue to do such as operations on the map, till somebody start to convert to it an understandable map. 

Great work.

If I understand your process correctly, you take the average time it take to travel between 2 cities and you multiply it by the speed of the airplane to get the distance.

You then create a circle of that radius.

You also to this to 2 other cities that have the same flights to the original cities and then you see the intersection of the circles to mark your city.

Am I correct?

Very smart idea!

Do you take snapshots of the web pages that you use, in order to have proof of your data?

Can you post a google document with your data?

Great work.

If I understand your process correctly, you take the average time it take to travel between 2 cities and you multiply it by the speed of the airplane to get the distance.

You then create a circle of that radius.

You also to this to 2 other cities that have the same flights to the original cities and then you see the intersection of the circles to mark your city.

Am I correct?

Very smart idea!

Do you take snapshots of the web pages that you use, in order to have proof of your data?

Can you post a google document with your data?

You got it truely. I calculated the aircraft speeds from European sided aircrafts, because Europe is older than other continents compared by knowledge, so I trust the distances in Europe is generally true.

Yet I don't think create an additional documentation. After somebody starts to convert it to a map, then I may start to  collect the datas. Till that time, I'll continue do work. Thanks.

Why did we unsoncidered the other islands. Lets look to an dictional knowledge:



The important point for us is: "North Magnetic Pole". This is actually the center of the earth, ie N.



Because of the real North on google map is a hoax, and we calculated its true place. So that, the magnetic pole in the google map is our center. So that, the other two islands remained far to the center. Not so far, but a few. And perhaps there is a few mistake on the globe map. It seems we are not wrong while taking islands upper side of the Yakutsk as the two of the nearest ones.

For the cities that you have piloted, do you go back, say after a week to see the times again. I don't know if the season will play a roll in this. Also you have to consider the wind direction. From a Flat Earth Map, the winds rotate counterclockwise and thus the airplanes will be traveling faster than in the opposite direction. How much, I have no idea.

I don't know if you took that into consideration.

For the cities that you have piloted, do you go back, say after a week to see the times again. I don't know if the season will play a roll in this. Also you have to consider the wind direction. From a Flat Earth Map, the winds rotate counterclockwise and thus the airplanes will be traveling faster than in the opposite direction. How much, I have no idea.

I don't know if you took that into consideration.

Winds is a lie. Its just a psicological effect. One route generally they go true, and the opposite side they go wrong. This is related with converting real flat distances to globe ones. They created it from west to the east, so that generally west to the east routes are true. But if you create a globe map with considering flat distances converted to globe ones, you make mistake while turn back. So that they go wrong while returning from their destination.

While pilot go short direction, he steps less on the accelerator. Because the dashboard shows him the speed is enough. So that they think "winds are helping me". But when they return back from destination, because of the path is wrong and longer, so that he forces the aircraft to go faster. He steps on the accelerator but this time can't success to find the true speed. Because the dashboard calculates the average speed depends on the road passed and it shows insufficient speed. No matter how pilot steps on the accelerator can't find the true speed. Then he thinks "winds are blowing from opposite direction". But this is just a psicological affect.

So that;

winds is google mistakes on the map. Such as reasons work for hiding their lies. Do not consider them. Winds can affect on an airplane how when you go with your car and it affects you. It can only shake the car a bit but can't slow it down!

Did you see a formula pilot considered the direction of the winds? "Hey captain, let me race when winds from behind of me"?? No, never. Which one is faster, it always faster. No relationship with winds.

Winds are just lie, winds are just hoax when the issue comes to aircrafts.

Where is the center of the earth:



It is 500 kms equal far to:



It may be closer than 500kms. Perhaps, till 200kms is possible.

If somebody really want to go N point, must start its travel from one of the following places:

Severnaya Zemlya (North west Yakutsk)
Kotelny Island (North East Yakutsk)
Alert (North East Canada)
Upper Greenland (North West Greenland)

It seems Alert and Upper Greenland are more deserted but North Yakutsk is more meaningful.

Take care the Russian soldiers.

Good luck!

I'll do a control of the central 4 islands by weather. If we prove they stay about same or near place, I'll close the issue of "organizing the center". Then we may focuse to the other places.

There is 4 places in the center we talked about. Their weather forecast today and next few days:

I used for:

Kotelny Island, Russia http://en.allmetsat.com/weather-forecast/arctic.php?city=4904
Severnaya Zemlya, Russia https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/14-days/severnaya-zemlya_russia_1492613
Alert, Canada https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/CAXX0829:1:CA
Upper Greenland. https://www.accuweather.com/en/gl/greenland-weather ( I could not find a better source for this)

Result of temperatures.

Kotelny Island, -23
Severnaya Zemlya, -24
Alert, Canada -23
Upper Greenland -22 (nearest place)

Corrected. As we know that these 4 are sharing same ocean, neigbours of the N point, have same altitude, latitude. So they must have about same air conditions. And we found that they really have.

We may compare them with other 2 islands shown in google map as they neighbours of the N point, but in fact they are not.

svalbard, -15
Zemlya Georga (Saint George Island), -30

One of them is colder than central 4 islands and the other one heater. So they are irrevelant by air conditions. They can't be neighbours of the central 4 islands.

Checked, corrected, mated.

We may free to continue to the other parts of the earth. We may turn back for a better correction on their places but it is a detailed working, no more required for now.

We finished general shape of the earth and have some strong points like Amsterdam and Toronto. So from now, we may correct mistakes on the map, depends on strong points.

In firstly, it seems the places of South America, especially Sao Paulo and Johannesburg seems suspicious. And the end point of Asia and Anchorage seems inconsistent. I'll check and correct them if required.

Firstly, Sao Paulo and whole south America:

Sao Paulo and whole south America are deleted.

Most reliable distances to Sao Paulo.

Sao Paulo (re-placed)

Sao Paulo - Toronto: 8.187 corrected as  7.714
Sao Paulo - Amsterdam: 9.805 corrected as 9.805
Sao Paulo - London: 9.496 corrected as 9.496
Sao Paulo - Lisbon: 7.947 corrected as 8.325
Sao Paulo - Bogota: 4.319 corrected as 4.319
Sao Paulo-  Panama: 5.147 corrected as 4.719
Sao Paulo- LA: 9912 corrected as 9912

Sao Paulo is added as a green point that overlaps with whole world, except Africa. I believe the direct flights through Africa from Sao Paulo is completely a hoax. So I denied all of them. When I deny the flights through Africa, whole distances perfectly overlaps as follow.

Bogota Turned around Panama till enough to catch the intersection point. The new place of it about overlaps with its actualy direction between Panama. Not a lot, but about half overlapped with google.



So I marked Sao Paulo as green as shows it a reliable point.

Buenos Aires (replaced)

I expect a perfect intersection for Buenos Aires too, after perfectly placed Sao Paulo.

Buenos Aires - Sao Paulo 1.674
Buenos Aires - Bogota 4.660
Buenos Aires - Panama 5.345 corrected as 4.717
Buenos Aires - NY 8.514 corrected as 8.157
Buenos Aires - London 11.126 corrected as 10.447
Buenos Aires - Barcelona

Not perfect. But we change color of it from magenta to white. Because it is not as reliable as Sao Paulo but safe.

Santiago (re-placing)

Santiago - Sao Paulo 2575
Santiago - Bogota 4245
Santiago - Panama 4789 corrected as 4.137
Santiago - Buenos Aires 1130
Santiago - NY 8.241 corrected as 7.650
Santiago - London 11.664 corrected as 10.369
Santiago - LA 9002

Santiago is re placed.

Bahia Thetis (Deep of the west) - re placing.

Ushuaia instead of Bahia Thetis, because there is an airport in Ushuaia.

Ushuaia - Buenos Aires 2.370
Ushuaia - Santiago De Chile 2.388
Ushuaia - Sao Paulo 3.906

There is a perfect intersection in this point. No correction required.

Both to shows it a reliable point and the end of the South America, Ushuaia is colored as green.

As a result, all cities in South America are corrected and their colors are changed related with their reliablity.

Johannesburg is re-placed for do some operations to aim the Africa.

Johannesburg

Johannesburg NY      12818 corrected as 13.129
Johannesburg Amsterdam      9022
Johannesburg Beijing      11706 corrected as 11.153
Johannesburg Istanbul      7474
Johannesburg Lagos      4497
Johannesburg Addis Ababa      4083



As we see that, there is a perfect intersection on this point. And the two remained are not so wrong. So I changed the color of Johannesburg as green for show its reliablity.

Lagos re placed

Lagos Johannesburg       4497
Lagos Addis Ababa      3901
Lagos Tel Aviv      4319 corrected as 2737
Lagos London      5020
Lagos Amsterdam      5109
Lagos NY      8481 corrected as 9041

Lagos a bit changed. Not affect a lot the place on the map.

Abidjan

Abidjan   Lagos 815 880
B737 1:09 743
A332 1:17 757
Abidjan   Addis Ababa 4.736 4.758
B788 5:28 902
Abidjan   Lisbon 3.769 4247
5:10 A320 852
Abidjan   Istanbul 5.141 5.490
B739 6:18 903

Abidjan is added as first "blue" colored city in the aim of show we placed it in the aim of revealing the outside corners of the lands. So the blue color means seaside cities, now on.

Casablanca

Casablanca   NY 5802 5.200
5:59 B788 902
Casablanca   Lisbon 619 (540 or 731)
B738 0:48 700
A319 1:05 700 inconsistent. Two is possible.
Casablanca   Sao Paulo 7.549 7.454
8:31 B788 907
Casablanca   London 2.096 2.082
B738 2:36 830
Casablanca   Istanbul 3.313 3.501
B77w 4:06 885
Casablanca   Barcelona 1.228 1.254
1:39 B738 788
Casablanca   Lagos 3.187 3.111
3:46 B738 856
Casablanca   Amsterdam 2.330 2.774
B738 3:42 836 3.093
Unknown type 3:08 879 2.754

South America turned around Bogota and Panama in opposite of clock direction till catch the intersection point.

Lisbon moved a few the south.



As a result, South Africa and South America moved a few their old positions and Casablanca is added as the second blue marked city.

Dakar as the 3rd city in the west sea side of the Africa.

Dakar

Dakar   Abidjan      1799
Dakar   Lagos      2456
Dakar   Casablanca      2324
Dakar   Lisbon      2792
Dakar   Barcelona      3520
Dakar   Istanbul      5334
Dakar   NY      6127
Dakar   Johannesburg      6698

If we only consider google values; Dakar should be here:



But when we look the flight times, we see that in fact, New York route is absent!



Perhaps, gang has forgot to add there a fake flight. 

Anyway. After delete the NY route, the place appears by itself.



Now we have 2 close points. In the aim of reducing the circles, I'll delete Istanbul circle because surrounds both. And with a bit move to the Dakar, circle of Johannesburg is deleted.

Remained circles:



Did you find the Dakar now? Surely. There is only one place remained for it:



Dakar is somewhere on this line. We may select it by randomly or find it exactly by using flights. Second method will be used for this time. We need only two route to determine its place. Right circles. Because the left ones already correct both points. So we will focus only  on these routes:

Dakar Abidjan 1.799
Dakar Lagos 2.456

One of them may be a bit wrong like 100-170 kms. It is enough for us. 170kms is the lenght of the error line of the Dakar. 

Dakar Abidjan 1.799
Dakar Lagos 2.456

There is no flight. Perhaps a storm or something else affected the airport. Anyway. We'll use first method: Estimate. We'll take the middle of the line. It provides us find the true point with stay inside 170kms/2=85 kms mistake range.



It sounds 85 kms is a lot mistake but temporary it provides enough strenght to create the coastal lines. Anyway.

Dakar is added as the 3th sea side city stays in the west of the Africa; in the aim of revealing shape of the Africa.

Placing the Antarctica.



982 kms from Usuaia to the nearest place of Antarctica. So Antarctic circle becomes about 14.000kms.

Its distance to some spesific cities:

Sydney to Antarctica: 2.400kms.
Auckland to Antarctica: 2.744 kms.

On google:
Sydney: 3.644kms.
Auckland: 3.738kms.





In our map Johannesburg to Antarctica: 4.022kms.



In google Johannesburg is: 4.700kms.



Sounds like we have different with google minimum zero, average 700 and maximum 1.000 kms in the matter of distance to the Antarctica from coastal lands.

It is caused by either goggle is saying us lie one more time, or Antarctica isn't a perfect circle. Both is possible.

Anyway. As a result, Antarctic circle is added by a "good" estimation.



Antarctic circle is added as 14.000kms radius.

We made a mistake cause to find Antarctica close to Sydney and far to South America. I found the mistake.

Who can find the mistake? We made a mistake cause this error. What was the wrong cause we find Antarctica close to Australia.

While you are thinking, I'm correcting ght mistake and it will take about 2 minutes. But I'll wait a bit more for your thinking.

The answer is: "North point is placed wrong". Because when we first placed it, considered geographic north. But Antarctica placed related to magnetic, ie real north. So we should move our N point towards estimated magnetic north. And this value should be about 500kms accordingly to our difference. Lets do it:



Ok.

After the Magnetic and geographic norths are overlapped, the corners of the earth:



North Point re placed.
Hot line (so called equator something) re- placed.
Cold line re-placed (Antarctica)

After corrections, North Point became near to Yakutsk again. So it changed its color as green. And upper Greenland and Alert Canada stayed far. Their colors with Semernaya island converted to Magenta!

For this tme, King Severnaya Zemlya is dead, long live Yakutsk!

Corrected. North Yakutsk town is "Tiksi". And there is an Arctic Research station of Russia. In Samoylov Island, Ust Lena, Tiksi town, Yakutsk.

North point with hot circle and cold circle together moved through Yakuts 100kms. This movement took some islands in Lena delta inside of Arctic circle, especially Tiksi town, Yakutsk; where the land a Russian-German arctic researc center stays in.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/arctic/observatories/tiksi/

We'll correct places in Oceania which stayed wrong side of "Hotline" after the N, hotline and cold line moved.

For the cities that you have piloted, do you go back, say after a week to see the times again. I don't know if the season will play a roll in this. Also you have to consider the wind direction. From a Flat Earth Map, the winds rotate counterclockwise and thus the airplanes will be traveling faster than in the opposite direction. How much, I have no idea.

I don't know if you took that into consideration.

Winds will not be a factor because the flights in both directions are taken into account. If you look at how they measure land speed records: They have to do 2 runs in opposite directions within a certain time limit, the average of the 2 runs is then taken as the speed of the attempt. So the effect of the wind is cancelled out.

People in the world are looking the wrong place for the N. Because the important thing is "magnetic pole", not the geographic pole. Geographic north means nothing.

I believe magnetic pole stays in the Laptev Sea, Russia. And the event make this situation more mystereous that, Russia yet discovered some islands in this sea. If the sea is a type of inner, a close sea to Russia, why they yet discover some islands? And listen the speaker, she says "there is places in this sea human foot has never trod".



I'm saying again her talks: ""there is places in this sea that human foot has never trod". Take care there is, in the middle of the earth! How is it possible?

Thank you for your word.
Another interesting point would be Easter Island. It's a good one because it's a well known touristic place and has verified flights from Polynesia and Chile.

I have started to draw the map of the continents. A bit difficult in the scale you are using. But it seems to start to make sense. How does one shoe the other 3 wind directions on the map in relation to North?

I have started to draw the map of the continents. A bit difficult in the scale you are using. But it seems to start to make sense. How does one shoe the other 3 wind directions on the map in relation to North?

Are you aware that you are speaking too much? Stop to talk anymore nonsence. Nobody ask you anything. If you want to play game, do it out of here. Here is not a kindergarden.