The world's most accurate map

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The world's most accurate map
« on: December 12, 2017, 02:43:54 AM »
Although I warned both the moderators and the members together, my warning doesn't get considered. So that this topic no more will continue in this section.

This working will be continued in the section of:

Flat Earth Believers

Topic: Flat Map Working: The world's most reliable map

Hi guys. In this topic, we'll make a map all together.

A lot of unhealthy rounders object to a possibility of flat map can be done by the way using flying times. We'll prove the opposite is true.

This map will be a proof of a flat map can be done by online. Yes, we'll do it by online. This working will be open to the public. So no one in the future will be able to claim copyright in this map. On the other hand, "the flat earth society" or me has a right to get  copyright in the future.

Ok, lets do it.

Method:

STAGE 1

1- flight times will be taken into account.
2- different speeds will be considered for different aircraft types. for this purpose we'll take an average flying speed for all types of aircrafts and make it a chart.
3- the average speed of the aircrafts will be taken from this chart. This chart will be in this post soon. averaging more than 100 flights per aircraft type will be taken for this purpose. (You may start to part of this project)
4- The distance between cities will be calculated by average flying times between those cities with product to average flying speed of the aircraft. (the speed of that plane will be ignored.)
5-  We'll work airport names instead of city names.

Additional conditions:

PS:
1- While calculating a spped for an airplane, consider the opposite route together. Take consider all the speeds including opposite direction. They may be about 10-20. Then start another aircraft. When all data arrived to 100, get the average speed for that airplane type and give the number to me.
2- Filed speeds on the page is not correct but estimate. For a better estimation use "flight distance/flying time" instead of filed speed.
3- Don't consider the distances less than 500kms.
4- Convert your images to format of 800x... The bigger images seems ugly in many browsers.
Thanks in advance.
5- Inside China, inside Russia and inside Indonesia flights will not get considered. If source and destination is both in China or both in Russia, or both in Indonesia don't get it considered.
6- speeds that can not be calculated because reliable flights can not be found, will be found by comparison with other aircrafts in terms of flight times between the same airports. meanwhile this method will be used for control of calculated aircraft speeds.

Your offers should be in the format of: "links of all the data and your calculations."

Now.

CHART FOR AVERAGE FLIGHT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT TYPE OF AIRPLANES



STAGE 1 IS COMPLETED
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Calculations of stage 2 in here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73696

FINAL MAP (Map will be created by finding the center of intersections)

Our map will be here as follow:



Upgrade 15.01.2018. Selected center cities are organized.



Upgrade 16.01.2018 LA and NY moved to the center 500kms as a pre-acceptance of first 5 latitudes are absent and aircrafts really draw a circle while they near to center. (magnetic problems)



Upgrade 17.01.2018

Added Istanbul and New Delhi. Corrected Tokyo, Beijing and New Delhi turned a bit around center of the map (for minimum changing) and Anchorage with Hong Kong perfectly placed. Denver added and perfectly overlapped.



Upgrade 18.01.2018

Added Helsinki, Dallas, Santiago, El Paso, Monterrey, Mexico City and Puerto Vallarta.



Upgrade 19.01.2018

Added Panama, Bogota, Sao Paolo and Santiago.



Upgrade 22.01.2018

Map 3,5% shrinked (for correctance of flight times). Corrected places of some cities and Added Honolulu and Vancouer.



Upgrade 24.01.2018 Singapore, Jakarta, Manila and Port Moresby is added. Magnetic center and hot line are added.


Version 25.01.2018. Auckland, Perth, Cairns and Denpasar (Indonedia) are added. Buenos Aires and Bahia Thetis (End of the America) is added as estimation. Islands Gran Canaria and Ponta Delgada are deleted in the aim of simplify the map. (For better understanding the shape)



Upgrade 26.01.2018
Toronto is added as a prove the whole our workings. It is overlapped with whole cities in the world. So it is colored as green to show its reliablity. Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Halifax are added. Yellowknife is added with ball distances. So it is colored magentha to show it is not a reliable point.



Upgrade 29.01.2018
Harbin, Astana, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Udachny and the roof of the world "Yakutsk" is added with a perfect estimation. Proved the Yakutsk is the nearest state to the center.



Upgrade 30.01.2018. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, Magadan, and Anadyr are added as the far Asian side. Barcelona, Tromso, Oslo, Amsterdam and Bergen are added as the European side. Amsterdam as a reliable point and Anadyr as the end of the Asia colored green.



Added Casablanca, Dakar and Abidjan as west of the African cities; and Antarctic circle is added by a favorable estimation with 14.000kms radius.



Upgrade 02.02.2018 Added African cities Luanda, Nairobi, Muscat and Dar Essalaam. The "cold line" is added as an Antarctic circle. The geographic and magnetic norths are overlapped by moving the center through Yakutsk. Whole distances to the Antarctica is controlled and proven.

When you want to, you may join this working. It is an open source working.

We'll need to the masters of photoshop and cgi  soon.

So it is a good idea someone's develop themselves in this matter.

During we continue the working, someones may create earlier versions of map and we may publish it as an estimation.

For example:

It is show up that compared to the all other maps including round and flat ones, China size should x2 bigger than old one. Russian size should be %50 less than old. Indonesia is about %30-50 longer, Australia about 1500 kms to the east, related with China's and Indonesia's growing. Europe is about same size. We have not enough data for America, but perhaps the size about same but shape may be a bit different.

an earler map can be made taking them into account.

PS: I'm weak on that last stage of this working and need a help.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2019, 01:52:49 AM by wise »

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 05:04:51 AM »
Different airplanes travel at slightly diferent speeds, and have more or less time needed to take off and land.

Can we use something more reliable (for areas between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), like ground speed of subsolar point?
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 10:37:11 AM »
Different airplanes travel at slightly diferent speeds, and have more or less time needed to take off and land.

Can we use something more reliable (for areas between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), like ground speed of subsolar point?

I understand your point, it is meaningfull but not practical. it is very difficult to separate them while shown in flying table. for example, click one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A333

How can we determine which of these flights between selected capricorns? it will take some time now to determine the speeds of the planes. and adding a new criterion will increase the time.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 10:48:15 AM »
Different airplanes travel at slightly diferent speeds, and have more or less time needed to take off and land.

Can we use something more reliable (for areas between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), like ground speed of subsolar point?

I understand your point, it is meaningfull but not practical. it is very difficult to separate them while shown in flying table. for example, click one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A333

How can we determine which of these flights between selected capricorns? it will take some time now to determine the speeds of the planes. and adding a new criterion will increase the time.

I was talking of REPLACING data from flights with data from ground speed of subsolar point where applicable.
Subsolar point can more accurately map the whole band between 23.5 degrees north and 23.5 degrees south.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 10:50:42 AM »
If you get me the data in a format I can parse, I'd be happy to help with coding up a solution that puts them all on a flat plane that fits together in the most reasonable way.
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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 10:54:11 AM »
Different airplanes travel at slightly diferent speeds, and have more or less time needed to take off and land.

Can we use something more reliable (for areas between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), like ground speed of subsolar point?

I understand your point, it is meaningfull but not practical. it is very difficult to separate them while shown in flying table. for example, click one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A333

How can we determine which of these flights between selected capricorns? it will take some time now to determine the speeds of the planes. and adding a new criterion will increase the time.

I was talking of REPLACING data from flights with data from ground speed of subsolar point where applicable.
Subsolar point can more accurately map the whole band between 23.5 degrees north and 23.5 degrees south.

In the mentality of flat map, capricorns south or north don't make a sence. Everywhere is same.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 11:12:10 AM »
If you get me the data in a format I can parse, I'd be happy to help with coding up a solution that puts them all on a flat plane that fits together in the most reasonable way.

what we need at this stage is the average speed of the planes.

For this purpose we click the links stay on the names of aircraft types and examine them.

For example, this is the first airplane type:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A306

Now there is a lot of A306 airplanes. Now we'll click about 10 of them one by one.

This is the first one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9873/history/20171212/1815Z/KRFD/KSDF

We are looking to the data of speed, stays here:



But the activity log is a bit complex.



So we'll pass this airplane. UPS types are not useful. I'll use this one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX3011/history/20171212/1845Z/KLAX/KATL

Now we need same type of airplane on opposite route. Click to "All flights between Klax and catl" and find another A306. This one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX3010/history/20171212/1214Z/KATL/KLAX

There is 6+6=12 total flights. So we have got 12 flights and 12 speeds.

Then we need another aircrafts for compare this one. this is not an easy task. you can do this for any plane you want. There is no ready data, these may be research.

I made this explanation for who want to help me for this project. friends who want to contribute to this topic can help by paying attention to these points.


Everyone who want to help may say me by giving me a type of airplane, like this: "I'm getting the calculations of A343". Thanks in advance.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 01:17:34 PM »
B735

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B735



Links:
1 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/TBZ5635-1512887146-airline-0360
2 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/CES252-1512939600-schedule-0002%3a0
3 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/UTA247-1512887151-airline-0275%3a0
4 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/VSV850-1512887145-airline-0250
5 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/CES2058-1512934800-schedule-0000%3a0
6 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/UTA508-1512887151-airline-0320%3a0
7 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/UTA351-1512887151-airline-0364%3a0
8 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/ANT512-1512887141-airline-0380%3a0


Links/Average speeds
Opposite direction links/Average speed

1 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/TBZ5635-1512887146-airline-0360
Flight distance: 335 mi.
Average flight time: 40m.
Average speed: 503 m/h

Opposite direction
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TBZ5719/history/20171201/1200Z/OIAW/OIII
503 m/h

2 https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/id/CES252-1512939600-schedule-0002%3a0

converted to: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES252/history/20171212/2100Z/VTSG/ZGGG
474 mph

Opposite direction:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES251/history/20171212/1545Z/ZGGG/VTSG
364 mph

The "estimated speeds" on the pages are generally true but not so so true. So it seems a better idea use "direct distance" / average flying time as an average flying speed, instead of getting the speed value on the page. I'm trying to solve this problem. Not yet, tomorrow.

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 01:23:13 PM »
Hi guys. In this topic, we'll make a map all together.

A lot of unhealthy rounders object to a possibility of flat map can be done by the way using flying times. We'll prove the opposite is true.

This map will be a proof of a flat map can be done by online. Yes, we'll do it by online. This working will be open to the public. So no one in the future will be able to claim copyright in this map. On the other hand, "the flat earth society" or me has a right to get  copyright in the future.

Ok, lets do it.

Method:

STAGE 1

1- flight times will be taken into account.
2- different speeds will be considered for different aircraft types. for this purpose we'll take an average flying speed for all types of aircrafts and make it a chart.
3- the average speed of the aircrafts will be taken from this chart. This chart will be in this post soon. averaging more than 100 flights per aircraft type will be taken for this purpose. (You may start to part of this project)
4- The distance between cities will be calculated by average flying times between those cities with product to average flying speed of the aircraft. (the speed of that plane will be ignored.)
5-  We'll work airport names instead of city names.

We'll start to make fix the out corners firstly. SCEL, YSSY and FAOR is the first purpose.

After the corners fixed, we'll fix the biggest and has most flights to whole world cities as follow: Madrid, New York, Beijing, Moscow, London, Paris, Berlin, Doha, New Delhi, Tokyo, Jakarta,...etc.

After the second stage, we'll start to find other cities and map will be done.

Your offers should be in the format of: "links of all the data", at least an image show the route, and your calculations.

Now.

CHART FOR AVERAGE FLIGHT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT TYPE OF AIRPLANES (Only Airbus or Boing if possible)

You may help me by clicking links on the names of airplane types and calculate the average speed for it.

ALL TYPES:

Code   Aircraft Type / Average speed (km/h)
A306   Airbus A300F4-600 (Your offer will be here)
A318   Airbus A318 (Your offer will be here)
A319   Airbus A319 (Your offer will be here)
A320   Airbus A320
A321   Airbus A321
A330   Airbus A330
A332   Airbus A330-200
A333   Airbus A330-300
A343   Airbus A340-300
A346   Airbus A340-600
A359   Airbus A350-900
A388   Airbus A380-800

B38M Boeing 737 MAX 8

B712   Boeing 717-200
B732   Boeing 737-200
B733   Boeing 737-300
B734   Boeing 737-400
B735   Boeing 737-500
B736   Boeing 737-600
B737   Boeing 737-700
737   
B738   Boeing 737-800
B739   Boeing 737-900
B748   Boeing 747-8
B752   Boeing 757-200
B762   Boeing 767-200
B763   Boeing 767-300
B764   Boeing 767-400
767   
B772   Boeing 777-200
B773   Boeing 777-300
B77L   Boeing 777-200LR/F
B77W   Boeing 777-300ER
777   Boeing 777
B788   Boeing 787-8
B789   Boeing 787-9

Remind me if you see a broken link.

You can find the link of airplanes by click to this link:
 
link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/


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PS: While calculating a spped for an airplane, consider the opposite route together. Take consider all the speeds including opposite direction. They may be about 10-20. Then start another aircraft. When all data arrived to 100, get the average speed for that airplane type and give the number to me.

FINAL MAP (Map will be created by finding the center of intersections)

Our map will be here as follow:



Many of these maps have already been made.  You can see an example at earth.google.com.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 01:44:52 PM »
Heads up - I have agreed to keep this thread free of spam and other insulting types of comments. If you wish to participate in helping to make this map then you are more than welcome to do so.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 02:15:40 PM »
The "estimated speeds" on the pages are generally true but not so so true. So it seems a better idea use "direct distance" / average flying time as an average flying speed, instead of getting the speed value on the page. I'm trying to solve this problem. Not yet, tomorrow.
Make certain that these flights get included:
QANTAS QFA27 Speed Filed: 567 mph, Altitude Filed: 9,450 m Distance Actual: 7,243 mi (Planned: 3,448 mi/Direct: 7,054 mi)
QANTAS QFA28 Speed Filed: 577 mph, Altitude Filed: 9,450 m Distance Actual: 7,271 mi (Planned: 7,054 mi/Direct: 7,054 mi)

QANTAS QFA63 Speed Filed: 570 mph, Altitude Filed: 9,150 m Distance Actual: 6,992 mi (Planned: 6,857 mi/Direct: 6,857 mi)
QANTAS QFA64 Speed Filed: 575 mph, Altitude Filed: 9,450 m Distance Actual: 6,927 mi (Planned: 6,857 mi/Direct: 6,857 mi)

South African Airays SAA222 Speed Filed: 488 mph, Actual: 4,688 mi (Direct: 4,627 mi)
South African Airays SAA223 Speed Filed: 545 mph, Altitude Filed: Actual: 4,684 mi (Direct: 4,627 mi)




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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 10:04:07 PM »
Many of these maps have already been made.  You can see an example at earth.google.com.

We are not google earth society.

We are "THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY". I hope it means something for you.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 11:12:30 PM »
B735

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B735



Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BMS153/history/20171213/0530Z/LROP/EKCH

Direct: 1554 kms
Flying times:
2:43
2:23
Average flying time: 2:33

Opposite direction link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BMS154/history/20171213/0900Z/EKCH/LROP

Flying time: 2:35

Average flying time: 2:34

Average speed: 1554 kms/ 2:34 hours = 605 km/h

Considered number of flights: 3


Link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI601/history/20171213/0525Z/EVRA/EBBR

Direct: 1435 kms.

Flying times:

2:24
2:29
2:25
2:24
2:20
2:10
2:10
2:15
2:31
2:12

Average flying time: 2:20

Opposite route: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BTI602/history/20171213/0840Z/EBBR/EVRA
Flying times:
2:08
2:18
2:16
2:19
2:33
2:29
2:25
2:38

Average flying time:02:23

Average of flying times: 02:22

Average speed: 1435 kms/ 02:22 = 606 km/h
Considered number of flights: 18


inadequate number of flights

Total considered number of flights:
Average speed = (??? + 605x3 + ??? + ??? + 606x18 + ??? + ???) / ??? = 533 ???  kmh

Average speed of the B735 types aircrafts is ??? kmh.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 07:49:54 PM by brotherhood of the dome »

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 11:41:58 AM »
You will also need to factor in routing considerations such as no fly zones and the minimisation of time over sea, along with prevalent wind conditions at the various altitudes.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 12:07:03 PM »
Facts on flights as well as the sun's path/projection on earth will lead to RFE map model >> Huge distances, long durations, ticket prices for flights between Europe countries and North America, even just Greenland. Not to mention disproportional of globe map lands etc.
TRY: (Curved Grided) South Pole Centered FE Map AKA Phew FE Map and Downwards Universal Deceleration.

Phew's Silicon Valley: https://gwebanget.home.blog/

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 04:10:43 PM »
Kudos to any FE people who participate and attempt to create a map for their belief.
I for one am interested in seeing the results.

It is a daunting task to do it this way.
But good luck!


Show me a Flat Earth map that works.

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2017, 04:27:42 PM »
Kudos to any FE people who participate and attempt to create a map for their belief.
I for one am interested in seeing the results.

It is a daunting task to do it this way.
But good luck!

Ditto - I'm genuinely interested by this. Good luck all.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2017, 04:46:28 PM »
Kudos to any FE people who participate and attempt to create a map for their belief.
I for one am interested in seeing the results.

It is a daunting task to do it this way.
But good luck!

Ditto - I'm genuinely interested by this. Good luck all.
I'm curious if he actually uses all the data including flight across the Southern Pacific and Indian oceans.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2017, 09:47:13 PM »
Guys who want to see the result may help to calculations. One of them takes 1 hour. Why don't you take the responsibility of calculating one of them?

You will also need to factor in routing considerations such as no fly zones and the minimisation of time over sea, along with prevalent wind conditions at the various altitudes.

Old story. It is meaningfull only locally, when calculating an average speed for any type of aircraft. but this effect is limited if we take into account the general average.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2017, 12:26:02 AM »
A333

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A333



Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VKG1546/history/20171214/0655Z/ENGM/GCLP

Direct: 4110 kms.
Average flight time: 5:12

Opposite direction:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VKG1567/history/20171213/1345Z/GCLP/ENGM

5:25
5:25
Average flight time: 5:25

Average of flight times: 5:18
Average speed: 4110kms / 5:18 = 776 kmh
Considered number of flights= 3


Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA747/history/20171214/0720Z/VOCI/OEJN

Direct: 4176 kms.
Flight times:
6:28
6:17
6:05
6:19
5:56
6:07
6:09

Average flight time: 06:11

Opposite direction:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA746/history/20171214/0010Z/OEJN/VOCI

Flight times:
5:31
5:25
5:38
5:35
6:05
5:51
5:58

Average flight time: 5:43

Average of flight times= 5:57
Average speed= 4176kms/ 5:57 = 702 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 14


Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/GIA410/history/20171214/0715Z/WIII/WADD

Direct: 983 kms.

Times:

2:10
2:15
2:18
2:25
2:31
2:30
2:16
2:20
2:27
2:25
2:15
2:11

Average flight time: 2:20

Opposite direction:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/GIA417/history/20171214/1020Z/WADD/WIII

Times:

1:48
1:56
1:51
2:06
1:54
2:00
1:55
1:59
2:10
2:01

Average flight time: 01:58

Average of flight times: 02:09
Average speed: 983 kms/ 02:09 = 457 kms.
Number of considered flighs: 22


Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/HDA437/history/20171214/0710Z/RCKH/VHHH

Direct: 663 kms.

1:55
1:39
1:36
1:36
1:31
1:57
1:38
1:38
1:41
1:46
1:54
1:34
1:37
1:26

Average flight time= 01:40

Opposite direction: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/HDA450/history/20171214/1315Z/VHHH/RCKH

1:40
1:28
1:33
1:33
1:22
1:34
1:32
1:32
1:25
1:40
1:27
1:30
1:33

Average flight time: 01:31

Average of flight times= 01:36

Average speed= 663kms/01:36 = 414 kmh.
Number of considered flights= 27


Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR751/history/20171214/0720Z/RKSI/WSSS

Direct: 4632kms

Times:

6:26
6:40
6:53
6:50
6:43
6:56
6:24
6:33
6:20
6:26
6:34
6:47

Average flight time: 6:37

Opposite direction:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR752/history/20171214/1500Z/WSSS/RKSI

Times:

6:51
6:48
6:34
6:34
6:27
6:33
7:01
6:31
6:34
6:23
6:39
6:55

Average flight time: 06:39

Average of flight times= 06:38

Average flight speed= 4632 kms/ 6:38 = 698 kmh.
Number of considered flights=24


Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS73/history/20171214/0650Z/VHHH/WMKK

Direct: 2547 kms

Times:

3:42
3:48
4:06
4:20
3:54
3:45
3:46
3:47
3:52
3:56
3:44

Average flight time= 3:52

Opposite direction: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/HDA734/history/20171214/0955Z/WMKK/VHHH

Times:

4:13
3:52
3:41
4:03
4:09
4:03
4:11
4:18
4:02
4:19
4:10
4:05
3:58

Average flight time: 04:04

Average of flight times: 03:58

Average flight time= 2547kms / 03:58 = 640 kmh.

Number of considered flights: 24


Total considered number of flights: (24+24+27+22+14+3=114>100)

Average flight speed of A333= (776x3 + 702x14 + 457x22 + 414x27 + 698x24 + 640x24) / 114 = 575 kmh.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2017, 12:42:11 AM »
I know it is a hard work for those who have no experience in this type of working. But I need help to a fast finish. Of course, I can do it by myself but it takes really a long time. There is 36 types of aircrafts, it takes about 36 days for only myself. If only one of them you calculated makes the time  one day shorter.

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2017, 11:56:35 AM »
I know it is a hard work for those who have no experience in this type of working. But I need help to a fast finish. Of course, I can do it by myself but it takes really a long time. There is 36 types of aircrafts, it takes about 36 days for only myself. If only one of them you calculated makes the time  one day shorter.

How are getting on with this - anything to show us?

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2017, 04:14:37 PM »
I wish I could help
But I will freely admit I don't have the computer skills.
Show me a Flat Earth map that works.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2017, 06:41:06 PM »
If you put the data into a csv or excel file, xml or json I'll be happy to build the map. I cannot help with data gathering here. We need to have a discussion on how to make your data useful if you are to spend the time compiling it.
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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2017, 10:33:52 PM »
I wish I could help
But I will freely admit I don't have the computer skills.

Oh, what a sad.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2017, 04:26:37 AM »
If you put the data into a csv or excel file, xml or json I'll be happy to build the map. I cannot help with data gathering here. We need to have a discussion on how to make your data useful if you are to spend the time compiling it.

If there is a steady data for flight times and speeds, we may use it. I'm open for this types of suggestions. Yet I did not find data such that type.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2017, 04:58:09 AM »
B712

Type link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B712

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1207/history/20171215/1100Z/KFAR/KMSP
Direct 359 kms.
less than 500kms. Eliminated.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VOE1632/history/20171215/1130Z/LIRN/LIMJ
Direct: 594 kms.

Times:
00:53
00:40
00:50
00:44
Average: 00:46

Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VOE1633/history/20171216/0600Z/LIMJ/LIRN
Times:
00:56
00:56
01:02
00:56
Average time: 00:57

Average of times: 00:52
Average speed: 594kms/0:52 = 684 kmh
Number of considered flights: 8


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2674/history/20171215/1130Z/KBOS/KLGA
direct: 296 kms < 500 kms. Eliminated.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL652/history/20171215/1100Z/KBUF/KDTW
direct: 387 kms. <500kms. Eliminated.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1733/history/20171215/1100Z/KABE/KATL
Direct: 1115kms.
Times:
02:00
02:21
01:53
01:57
02:15
02:17
02:16
02:12
02:03

Average time: 02:08

Opposite direction:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL569/history/20171216/0233Z/KATL/KABE
Times:
01:49
01:56
02:10
01:42
02:03
01:44
01:42
01:40
01:57
01:56
Average flight time: 1:51
Average of flight times: 02:00
Average flight speed: 1115/02:00 = 557kmh.
Number of considered flights: 19


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2471/history/20171215/1100Z/KBOS/KJFK
Direct:300<500kms. Eliminated.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QJE1929/history/20171215/1144Z/YBRM/YPPH
Direct:1680 kms.
Times:
02:33
02:30
02:30
02:47
02:33
02:41
02:28
Average time: 02:34

Opposite direction:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QJE1930/history/20171215/0836Z/YPPH/YBRM
Times:
02:19
02:26
02:28
02:18
02:23
02:34
02:19
02:25
02:17
02:30
Average flight time: 02:23
Average of flight times: 02:29
Average speed= 1680/02:29 = 675 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 17


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1660/history/20171215/1105Z/KLGA/KCVG
Direct: 941kms.
Times:
01:56
02:12
01:54
02:10
02:14
02:15
02:24
01:58
Average flight time: 02:07

Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1704/history/20171216/0130Z/KCVG/KLGA
Times:
01:56
01:55
02:01
01:49
01:50
02:05
01:40
01:45
01:57
01:43
Average time: 01:52
Average of flight times: 01:59
Average speed: 941 / 01:59 = 471 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 18


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2910/history/20171215/1112Z/KAVP/KATL
Direct: 1150kms.
Times:
02:22
02:24
01:58
02:21
02:36
02:16
02:14
Average flight time: 02:18

Opposite direction:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL828/history/20171216/0226Z/KATL/KAVP
times:
01:47
02:00
01:55
01:53
02:02
01:43
01:56
01:52
01:55
Average flight time: 01:53
Average of flight times: 02:06
Average speed: 1150kms/02:06 = 547 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 16


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL785/history/20171215/1100Z/KRDU/KMSP
Direct: 1578kms.
Times:
02:59
03:06
02:52
03:21
02:45
02:37
02:40
02:47
02:56
03:02
Average flight time: 02:54

Opposite direction:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL963/history/20171216/0215Z/KMSP/KRDU
Times:
02:16
02:18
02:11
02:13
02:09
02:57
02:15
02:57
02:13
02:31
Average flight time: 02:24
Average of flight times: 02:39
Average speed: 1578kms/02:39 = 595 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 20


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2276/history/20171215/1205Z/KMCO/KLGA
Direct: 1533 kms.
Times:
02:51
02:55
02:42
02:33
02:44
03:23
03:02
02:39
02:39
02:35
Average flight time: 02:48
Average of flight times: 02:38
Average speed: 1533kms/02:38 = 581 kmh.
Number of considered flights= 21


Total flights examined: (18+19+17+8+16+20+21)= 119

Average speed of B712 = (684x8 + 557x19+ 675x17+ 471x18+ 547x16+ 595x20+ 581x21)/119 = 579kmh.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 05:02:18 AM by brotherhood of the dome »

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2017, 06:09:04 AM »
 B744

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B744

The airplane makes the path from Australia to other continents shorter. Lets examine it, is it really faster than others; I really surious?

Link:

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS59/history/20171215/1335Z/VHHH/PANC

(Considered path from HKG to ANC)

Direct: 8175
Times:
09:02
08:57
08:48
08:47
08:08
08:39
08:54
08:35
08:32

Average time: 08:42 (This is really fast)
Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/PAC947/history/20171216/0805Z/PANC/VHHH
Times:
10:34
10:37
10:17
11:48
10:20
11:18
10:05
11:25
Average: 10:48
Average of flight times: 09:45
Average speed: 8175 kms/ 09:45 = 838 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 17


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAY52/history/20171215/0230Z/VHHH/OMDB
(Considered Hong Kong to Dubai)
Direct: 5926 kms.
Times:
08:00
08:04
08:05
08:03
07:43
07:33
07:43
Average: 07:53

Opposite: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/TAY51/history/20171215/1400Z/OMDB/VHHH
Times:
06:26
06:27
06:23
06:33
06:32
06:38
06:42
06:41
Average: 06:32
Average of flight times:07:12
Average speed: 5926kms/07:12=821 kmh. (This aircraft is really fast)
Considered number of flights: 15

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR286/history/20171215/1335Z/KLAX/KSFO
Direct: 544kms.
Times:
00:49
00:51
00:50
Average: 00:50

Opposite: Absent.

eliminated.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW107/history/20171215/1235Z/EGLL/OMDB
Direct: 5504 kms.
Times:
06:59
07:05
06:20
06:15
06:02
06:16
06:57
07:03
06:56
06:46
07:00
07:06
Average: 06:43

Opposite direction:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW106/history/20171214/2225Z/OMDB/EGLL
Times:
07:58
08:03
07:26
07:20
07:33
07:24
07:40
07:44
07:43
07:50
07:28
07:27
Average:07:38
Average of flight times: 07:10
Average speed: 766 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 24


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA26/history/20171215/1300Z/RJTT/YSSY
(Tokyo to Sydney)
Direct:7827 kms.
09:46
09:29
09:47
09:24
09:29
09:22
09:09
09:22
09:20
09:13
09:21
09:34
Average time: 09:26

Opposite direction:
10:06
09:23
09:21
09:14
09:23
09:29
09:35
09:06
09:08
09:53
09:26
09:19
Average:09:26
Average of flight times: 09:26
Average speed: 7827/09:26 = 829kmh.
Number of considered flights: 24


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR15/history/20171215/1300Z/EGKK/KMCO
Direct:6999
Times:
09:32
09:41
09:30
09:51
10:02
09:44
10:03
09:37
08:57
09:27
09:27

Average:09:37

Opposite:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR16/history/20171216/0110Z/KMCO/EGKK
Times:
07:43
07:52
07:22
07:41
07:54
07:30
07:41
08:13
08:32
08:35
08:13
08:25
Average: 07:58
Average of flight times: 08:47
Average speed: 6999kms/08:47= 796 kmh.
Number of considered flights: 23


Total number of flights are examined: (17+15+24+24+23)=103

Average speed of B744 Quadro engine = (838x17+ 821x15+ 766x24+ 829x24+ 796x23)/103 = 807kmh.

Ladies and gentlemen;

This aircraft is really really more and more faster than others. This proves why we feel the distance of Australia to other continents as shorter. Because this airplane makes the flying time about %40 shorter. Unbelievable. They will no more resist to our evidences.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 04:53:47 AM by brotherhood of the dome »

Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2017, 03:29:13 PM »
lmfao....We "feel the distance to be shorter". 

The measurement is still the same.  You travel at a certain speed over a certain time period and there is your distance.  This is not even remotely complicated...just look at one of the already existing maps that are already verified to be accurate...you can verify the distances yourself.

You are never actually going to create a map this way.  You can't delete reality the same as you can delete comments that destroy your theory.

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Re: Let's make a map all together depend on flight times
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2017, 04:55:29 AM »
lmfao....We "feel the distance to be shorter". 

The measurement is still the same.  You travel at a certain speed over a certain time period and there is your distance.  This is not even remotely complicated...just look at one of the already existing maps that are already verified to be accurate...you can verify the distances yourself.

You are never actually going to create a map this way.  You can't delete reality the same as you can delete comments that destroy your theory.

If you have a better idea, lets do it. I'm steady ready to listen it. If you haven't, shut up and sit down.