Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.

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Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« on: February 28, 2017, 03:52:33 PM »
Hi everyone.

I'm new to this forum, but I've been reading your topics a lot for a few months now, and I think I came up with something that might really be useful to all the FE community.

Before I get into the subject, I'd like to apologize in advance if I make mistakes with grammar or such, English is not my first language, for I'm french.



Now let's get into it.

As the title says, I probably came up with THE ultimate FE model that might actually settle things for good.



I've been struggling a lot with FE models, all their different and contradicting facts and explanations, and during my personal research about the subject, a few things finally became clear.

The first thing really driving me nuts and which I had a hard time to explain with flat Earth was the existence of two celestial poles.

After reading a lot of the REs answers to a lot of topics, and checking their facts, I had to admit that indeed, around 15% of the world's population lived in the Southern Hemisphere, and could observe the stars at will, making it hard to deny existence of said celestial poles, as seen there for the southern one :





So I turned myself to FE models such as the Bipolar Earth Model and DET, which could explain those two poles, but unfortunately, it only raised a new question.

I found out that around the Equator, apparently, people can witness both hemispheres stars revolving sideways compared to them, as can be seen there :

http://sguisard.astrosurf.com/Pagim/From_pole_to_pole.html

Of course, as a lot of people live around the Equator too, it's quite hard to deny that without denying the very existence of said people.



Now the real issue with those models is that if I took two discs, and stood somewhere on the area where they join, I wouldn't see stars revolving this way for sure, I'd rather see them getting closer and further away from the discs junctions (and so from me) as they rotate around their own respective celestial poles which would look fixed to me.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong about these facts about stars, it's important to understand what led me to the construction of the upcoming model.

So the thing is, if I stood on the "equator" of any of those discs, but at the opposite side compared to their junction, so the far edge side, I would see only one of the two discs' stars right ?

Unfortunately, everywhere around the Equator, same phenomenon can be observed, stars revolving "sideways" if I may say so.




As a good flat Earth researcher, taking example on some of our greatest FES members here, I told myself "there must be a way around this !", because, I mean, there obviously is, earth being flat. Saying otherwise would be utterly ridiculous, right ?

I was still sticking with a two-sided / two-faced, or whatever you want to call it Earth, then came to my mind this important notion of tangent :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent

Basically, and please stop me if I'm wrong, (because I went through literary courses, so geometry is not my best perk), but as I understand it, on a circle or a sphere, there always is a small surface that can be considered as "flat".

Meaning, the larger the object, the larger the "apparent flat surface" (this being relative to an observer).

Now, comparing flat Earth's size to a human being, it might be normal we don't see such small curve, as those globeheads actually pretend (I'll give you that one, GHs...).



All of this leads me to picture flat Earth this way :

Imagine both discs, but they're not totally flat, ok ? A bit curved, like, let's say, two bowls :



But you gotta know that those bowls are so mind-fudgingly huge that their curve is basically equal to 0 if you take a tiny surface on any one of them, just scale that surface to the surface an average human being might take on flat earth (if it's not infinite, which, imho, it is absolutely not, for this seems as absurd as the globe theory we've been fed by reptilian masonists and NASA shills).

Now, I want you people to mentally picture those two bowls (let's call them "hemispheridiscs" at this point), and imagine them joined by their equators.

Now we have a flat Earth fitting all observations. Stars can indeed revolve sideways when seen from anywhere around the Equator, we can predict the sun and moon's positions, etc, as we would obtain something like this :



It can even explain satellites orbiting those curved hemispherical discs (it also takes into account the whole structure is rotating once a day), so you know what, globe heads, I'll even give you "gravity" as I can't explain myself why it couldn't work and can't deny things would fall at 9.8m/s, but based on the notion of tangent, whatever you shills will come up with, fact is :

Earth is FLAT "_____________________" !

I call this model the "Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth", but name might be subject to changes in the future, as research is never finished, and I might improve my model based on new evidences I find.

So, here, I wanna say it :

NAILED IT ! Big time.

Are you salty, globe earthers ? Ahahahahahahahaha ! Yeah, earth is flat by definition, damn it, whatever shape you want it to be !



To conlude this expose, I would most of all like to thank my fellow flat Earth researchers, whoever came up with the Bipolar Earth Model and the Dual Earth Model helped me a lot.

And of course, it would be ungrateful of me to forget physicalobserver, whose dedication to the cause inspired me, always standing still in the storm of adversity, and my friend Intikam who helped me a lot with the whole idea and the final design of the model.
(Even though original idea is mine, don't forget that, Inti. I agreed with giving you the credit you deserve, but don't go on and try to steal the spotlight from me here, okay ? After all you weren't so hot for the "Full equatorial junction" hypothesis which could make this work.)

I wish you all a good day, and I would be glad to hear any suggestions about my model, so I can correct any flaw it might have.

I'll be glad to engage in further debate on other topics !

Best regards to you all.


DISCLAIMER : I'm obviously taking no credit for the video, link and pictures shown in this post, they just reflect my views, but are not my product or property.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 06:01:57 PM by Daddy »
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 04:00:32 PM »
Congratulations! You've built a globe.

I dig the John Cash Avatar though.  Big fan of his.
The world is a sphere, but I don't hold that against it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 04:04:25 PM »
Congratulations! You've built a globe.

I dig the John Cash Avatar though.  Big fan of his.

Well, this globe is obviously flat anyway, so flat Earth wins !

I'm eager to see my fellow flat earthers reactions to this new model.

And thanks !
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 04:09:48 PM »
Love the new "flat" model sir.

Also from the perspective of a photon racing along at light speed, the Earth would be flat.  So yeah, photons observe a flat Earth therefore it must be flat, right?. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 04:14:24 PM »
Love the new "flat" model sir.

Also from the perspective of a photon racing along at light speed, the Earth would be flat.  So yeah, photons observe a flat Earth therefore it must be flat, right?.

I'll accept that as proof only if you can prove the photon isn't using a fish eye lens, so the observed shape can be considered as conclusive evidence.

And thanks, this model did ask me to go through a great deal of research !

I hope it can unify the whole FE community in the future.
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 05:10:13 PM »
The key to unifying the flat earth movement is to stop the game of impaling our enemies and our various sects upon each others spears. This is a game many are familiar with, too, perhaps.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 05:15:55 PM »
The key to unifying the flat earth movement is to stop the game of impaling our enemies and our various sects upon each others spears. This is a game many are familiar with, too, perhaps.

Yes, I could see logic and science weren't going to be the key themselves, I've been reading here for some time  ;)
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 05:19:39 PM »
Logic and science are key. Religion to dogmatic science only breeds stupid academics in ivory towers.
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 05:20:48 PM »
The reason why they aren't key, in practice, is because people are fundamentally bigoted. They have to be to function - especially academically. As wonderful as people are in other ways.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 05:22:19 PM »
Logic and science are key. Religion to dogmatic science only breeds stupid academics in ivory towers.

This sounds like a same view, and that's this state of mind I'm in while waiting for my model to get debunked so I can review it.
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 05:26:37 PM »
Hi everyone.
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Now we have a flat Earth fitting all observations. Stars can indeed revolve sideways when seen from anywhere around the Equator, we can predict the sun and moon's positions, etc, as we would obtain something like this :


It can even explain satellites orbiting those curved hemispherical discs (it also takes into account the whole structure is rotating once a day), so you know what, globe heads, I'll even give you "gravity" as I can't explain myself why it couldn't work and can't deny things would fall at 9.8m/s, but based on the notion of tangent, whatever you shills will come up with, fact is :

Earth is FLAT "_____________________" !

I call this model the "Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth", but name might be subject to changes in the future, as research is never finished, and I might improve my model based on new evidences I find.

You sure nailed it!

Now for a long time, I have realised that the Babylonian Cosmology was essentially you model with the Babylonian Empire in place of the globe you have at the centre.
The Babylonian Empire was small enough to be considered flat:

Babylonian Empire map (609 - 539 BCE)
From History of Israel: Maps of the Middle East.

The point is that the Babylonian Cosmology explained:
the appearance of sunrise/sunrise quite well - it rose from and set into the "underworld" - below the horizon and
the motion of the planets and stars reasonably well, at least to with the accuracy of their own observations.

Now, simply extending the Babylonian Empire around you "dual dishes" to cover the rest of the earth and we have your model.

And this explains how the Babylonians had such a good grasp of Astronomy,
but the present Flat Earth Societies shun Astronomy like the plague and struggle to explain the movement of all the celestial objects that we so easily observe!

Congratulations, when does this model get entered into the "Flat Earth Information Repository"?



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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 05:27:35 PM »
It is a small matter to either destroy the incumbent model - which we readily admit has problems; even smaller the next, which starts on empirically less footed ground. You are here for folks to prove you wrong? We are a beacon for folks who want to try. Stick around.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2017, 05:32:04 PM »
You are here for folks to prove you wrong? We are a beacon for folks who want to try. Stick around.

Research can only advance through refutation and rework, failure is a natural occurrence in learning or conception processes, so I will actually welcome anything shaking down my model's foundations so I can make it bulletproof.
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 05:44:48 PM »
Hi everyone.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Now we have a flat Earth fitting all observations. Stars can indeed revolve sideways when seen from anywhere around the Equator, we can predict the sun and moon's positions, etc, as we would obtain something like this :


It can even explain satellites orbiting those curved hemispherical discs (it also takes into account the whole structure is rotating once a day), so you know what, globe heads, I'll even give you "gravity" as I can't explain myself why it couldn't work and can't deny things would fall at 9.8m/s, but based on the notion of tangent, whatever you shills will come up with, fact is :

Earth is FLAT "_____________________" !

I call this model the "Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth", but name might be subject to changes in the future, as research is never finished, and I might improve my model based on new evidences I find.

You sure nailed it!

Now for a long time, I have realised that the Babylonian Cosmology was essentially you model with the Babylonian Empire in place of the globe you have at the centre.
The Babylonian Empire was small enough to be considered flat:

Babylonian Empire map (609 - 539 BCE)
From History of Israel: Maps of the Middle East.

The point is that the Babylonian Cosmology explained:
the appearance of sunrise/sunrise quite well - it rose from and set into the "underworld" - below the horizon and
the motion of the planets and stars reasonably well, at least to with the accuracy of their own observations.

Now, simply extending the Babylonian Empire around you "dual dishes" to cover the rest of the earth and we have your model.

And this explains how the Babylonians had such a good grasp of Astronomy,
but the present Flat Earth Societies shun Astronomy like the plague and struggle to explain the movement of all the celestial objects that we so easily observe!

Congratulations, when does this model get entered into the "Flat Earth Information Repository"?

Your knowledge about Babylonian cosmology far outreaches my own knowledge in general, so I might take your word on that for now and check it later, but just to say I came up with that model based on zetetical observations and facts, but mostly with what was available in our present time and era, and all the leads this forum and YouTube contributors left around.

I am indeed thinking about forwarding a request so my model can enter the repository and Wiki, as I think it is far superior to all other existing FE models.

And please remember that the key here is that the "globe" is flat, obviously and by definition as seen above.
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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2017, 06:27:28 PM »
I am indeed thinking about forwarding a request so my model can enter the repository and Wiki, as I think it is far superior to all other existing FE models.

And please remember that the key here is that the "globe" is flat, obviously and by definition as seen above.
Yes of course, I was just using "globe" as it is the common word used to describe the apparent shape of your flat earth.
An I'm fully aware that:
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth

I'd watch "the Wiki" though as it contains things like
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The Sun
The sun is a sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the earth.
Yet John Davis seems to insist
The infamous Eratosthenes experiment does nothing to confirm the shape of the earth,
 . . . . . . . . . . .
The standard flat earth model derives its sun's path as well as its movements throughout the year using this experiment. Rowbotham additionally goes into greater detail in Earth: Not A Globe.

And Rowbotham says in Zetetic Astronomy, by 'Parallax' p. 99, CHAPTER V., THE TRUE DISTANCE OF THE SUN.
Quote from: Samuel Bierly Rowbotham
If any allowance is to be made for refraction--which, no doubt, exists where the sun's rays have to pass through a medium, the atmosphere, which gradually increases in density as it approaches the earth's surface--it will considerably diminish the above-named distance of the sun; so that it is perfectly safe to affirm that the under edge of the sun is considerably less than 700 statute miles above the earth.
So we have 700 miles and 3000 mile.

And if "the Wiki" conflicts with Samuel Bierly Rowbotham, who would you believe. You do have to watch "the Wiki".


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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2017, 06:58:08 PM »
Rab!!! stop using their own wiki against them. 
You know that the Sun is a magical thing that changes its altitude when you measure it to hide the "true" shape of the Earth.
Bendy light is part of the conspiracy.

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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 06:59:42 PM »
I am indeed thinking about forwarding a request so my model can enter the repository and Wiki, as I think it is far superior to all other existing FE models.

And please remember that the key here is that the "globe" is flat, obviously and by definition as seen above.
Yes of course, I was just using "globe" as it is the common word used to describe the apparent shape of your flat earth.
An I'm fully aware that:
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth

I'd watch "the Wiki" though as it contains things like
Quote
The Sun
The sun is a sphere. It has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the earth.
Yet John Davis seems to insist
The infamous Eratosthenes experiment does nothing to confirm the shape of the earth,
 . . . . . . . . . . .
The standard flat earth model derives its sun's path as well as its movements throughout the year using this experiment. Rowbotham additionally goes into greater detail in Earth: Not A Globe.

And Rowbotham says in Zetetic Astronomy, by 'Parallax' p. 99, CHAPTER V., THE TRUE DISTANCE OF THE SUN.
Quote from: Samuel Bierly Rowbotham
If any allowance is to be made for refraction--which, no doubt, exists where the sun's rays have to pass through a medium, the atmosphere, which gradually increases in density as it approaches the earth's surface--it will considerably diminish the above-named distance of the sun; so that it is perfectly safe to affirm that the under edge of the sun is considerably less than 700 statute miles above the earth.
So we have 700 miles and 3000 mile.

And if "the Wiki" conflicts with Samuel Bierly Rowbotham, who would you believe. You do have to watch "the Wiki".

Samuel Rowbotham I that guy who didn't take into account atmospheric refraction and elevation from the ground in his experiments if I'm right ?
I'm a bit lost in that topic as I researched it a long time ago and it didn't seem a key point as important as solving the star trails issue.

I don't want to play the devil's advocate, but he was one of FE pioneers, so he couldn't be right in everything.

As for Erathostenes, I don't get it, he was totally on the side of my flat dual dishes model, so where is the issue with him ?

I understand now that it might take a lot of time and effort before my model starts being accepted as the true FE model, my fellow companions might be stuck onto science centuries old, when clearly we progressed since that.

They got that part about the sun, moon and stars totally wrong.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 07:03:14 PM by Daddy »
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 07:19:18 PM »
I think you may have changed my mind with the Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth.  Can't find how it violates any of my requirements to change my mind... yet.

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 07:24:52 PM »
That was a massive effort for a troll.

Not sure if impressed, or disappointed.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 07:25:37 PM »
I think you may have changed my mind with the Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth.  Can't find how it violates any of my requirements to change my mind... yet.

FET is finally convincing some of you, finally.
Just open your mind to the flat truth.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2017, 07:28:16 PM »
That was a massive effort for a troll.

Not sure if impressed, or disappointed.

Excuse me but can you prove how my model is not making any sense ?

I'd like you to come up with real arguments against my conclusions, especially about stars trails.

If you can't, then it appears funny being called a troll by someone who just came in with no contribution at all to the topic except for unsubstantial ad hominem attacks.

Especially when I'm already winning some of them GEs to our cause :

I think you may have changed my mind with the Dual Hemispheridiscal Tangential Earth.  Can't find how it violates any of my requirements to change my mind... yet.

Something most FEs here didn't achieve yet.

My model stands.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 07:35:42 PM by Daddy »
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2017, 08:03:16 PM »
No cause you described a globe but did it in a way that was intentionally vague.

Therefore troll.

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive.

Welcome to the F.E.S.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 08:04:53 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2017, 08:06:14 PM »
p.s John Davis' "spherical" flat earth is way better, check it out.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2017, 08:20:06 PM »
No cause you described a globe but did it in a way that was intentionally vague.

Therefore troll.

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive.

Welcome to the F.E.S.

You're confusing something here probably, the globe is flat, thanks to the Tangential Effect, it's a simple concept to grasp.

Are you saying my beliefs are laughable ?
 
Im' still waiting for proofs that the Tangential Effect doesn't make the Earth flat and any refutation of the star trails.

And if this looks impressive then you might be warned it's not over.

I do intend to convert all FEs, all REs and all other globularists to my model so we can promote it more on this site, and if possible make it the first FE valid model.

I hope the logical and level-headed people will understand and follow.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 08:22:47 PM »
p.s John Davis' "spherical" flat earth is way better, check it out.

Hell, so someone was onto something close already ? I should have known.

Can I have a link to the topic, it would help me a lot :)

Though I will defend my views until the end.
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2017, 08:30:47 PM »
No cause you described a globe but did it in a way that was intentionally vague.

Therefore troll.

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive.

Welcome to the F.E.S.

You're confusing something here probably, the globe is flat, thanks to the Tangential Effect, it's a simple concept to grasp.

Are you saying my beliefs are laughable ?
 
Im' still waiting for proofs that the Tangential Effect doesn't make the Earth flat and any refutation of the star trails.

And if this looks impressive then you might be warned it's not over.

I do intend to convert all FEs, all REs and all other globularists to my model so we can promote it more on this site, and if possible make it the first FE valid model.

I hope the logical and level-headed people will understand and follow.

Sure, ok.

Search "Non Euclidean flat earth."

They have a working flat map.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2017, 08:44:48 PM »
No cause you described a globe but did it in a way that was intentionally vague.

Therefore troll.

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive.

Welcome to the F.E.S.

You're confusing something here probably, the globe is flat, thanks to the Tangential Effect, it's a simple concept to grasp.

Are you saying my beliefs are laughable ?
 
Im' still waiting for proofs that the Tangential Effect doesn't make the Earth flat and any refutation of the star trails.

And if this looks impressive then you might be warned it's not over.

I do intend to convert all FEs, all REs and all other globularists to my model so we can promote it more on this site, and if possible make it the first FE valid model.

I hope the logical and level-headed people will understand and follow.

Sure, ok.

Search "Non Euclidean flat earth."

They have a working flat map.

I believe you are referring to this post :
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=1817112;topic=67893.0

As I have a hard time following the maths, it does seem to conclude that spherical projection is valid to map the surface of a flat earth.

I admit I can't judge the research quality here as I don't get it all, but I came to the same conclusions by simple observation of a natural phenomenon, the star trails and how to compute them with the world's shape, as it seemed the easiest approach (and I like it easy, let's be fair).

This needs further investigation, though.

In any manner, the Tangential Effect still applies : very large spherical area + very small observer = larger tangential / flat area perceived.

I'm not sure this can be proven not to work in reality.

Also this means the bigger earth is compared to us, the flatter it gets.
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Best FE model didn't hold because earth is a globe :
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69528.0

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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2017, 08:50:29 PM »

Sure, ok.

Search "Non Euclidean flat earth."

They have a working flat map.
Any actual evidence for a "Non Euclidean flat earth", other than John Davis's "nightmare thought experiment"?

Then where is this "working flat map"? I have never seen any "working flat map", if by that you mean one with correct shapes, directions and distances.

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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2017, 09:09:01 PM »

Sure, ok.

Search "Non Euclidean flat earth."

They have a working flat map.
Any actual evidence for a "Non Euclidean flat earth", other than John Davis's "nightmare thought experiment"?

Then where is this "working flat map"? I have never seen any "working flat map", if by that you mean one with correct shapes, directions and distances.

I will have to agree with Rabinoz on this, as the very thread you referred to says :

This is not a pitch for an FE model, it's no more than an illustration of how a non-Euclidean map might work.

And

This seems reasonable, by Davis' model, as he has said the globe is a valid projection of the Earth's surface.

I might not get the maths, but from what I read here, the author admits that :

1.This is only an essai on how a non-Euclidean map might work (do I need to stress the "essai" and "might work" parts ?).

2. Even like this, it aparently leads to a spherical projection ?

Am I missing something ?
Because it sounds like it's going my way.

For now the Tangential Effect applied to RABdishes is the best explanation.

DHTE model seems to be holding.
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Best FE model didn't hold because earth is a globe :
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69528.0

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Re: Ultimate Flat Earth Model in design.
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2017, 09:36:11 PM »

Sure, ok.

Search "Non Euclidean flat earth."

They have a working flat map.
Any actual evidence for a "Non Euclidean flat earth"

Of course not, what is it your first day?

@ Dad.

The map is exactly a spherical projection of a flat surface. This is why the distances work.

I know it's actually your first day ;)
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