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Re: Moon
« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2016, 05:36:09 PM »
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They can. But compare the Russian unmanned probes. Multiple probes returned a few grams of surface dust.  On the other hand the US has over 800 pounds of dust, rocks and core samples.  Core samples could not be retrieved unmanned.
Quantity is irrelevant when there's no guaranteed method to differentiate the moon rocks from some volcano rocks scientists tested to be the same. It's a claim vs another claim. Also, core samples can be retrieved unmanned. NASA has done amazing things in space and retrieving a core sample and lots of it too is most likely (in my opinion) an easy task for NASA.

Why would they do that? They wouldn't as it could rest the case of the hoax.

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Many of the experiments had to be manually setup

Further, there is no evidence of an unmanned program to do these things.  Who built the probes? Who operated them?  Who retrieved them?  There is no evidence of any of it but there is evidence of a manned program.
Any information or evidence on this? I mean about the experiments

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And the rocks, and the tracking, and the testimony, and the eyewitnesses that saw the rockets leaving earth orbit, and the warehouses full of documentation, etc.
You do realize there were more landings than just Apollo 11, right?  The problems you mention ONLY apply to Apollo 11
As for the high res video, that was taken with a camera in the CM.  The video from the surface was taken with a different camera with lower bandwidth requirements.  And the video quality improved on later missions.
Rocks... not proof as mentioned
Testimony... not proof
Eye witness of rockets leaving earth orbit... eye witness of leaving earth only, not earth orbit.. doesn't prove the landings either
Faking ONE mission is sufficient.. why would they make the same error twice?

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Nope.  None of it stands up to scrutiny

NONE of it stands up to scrutiny.  Everything hoaxies present only shows their ignorance.
There's no more to this then.. you believe the photos and I don't.. https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=76620 here's just some of the things and believe me there's so much more it's hard to keep track

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which they went around
No they didn't.. they went through it. The astronauts (scientists) didn't know much about it either did they?

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not leaked.  It was broadcast live at the time.  And it doesn't show that it was from Earth orbit.  Sibrel wants you to believe that so you'll buy his stuff.  He cut out the part of the footage that proves him wrong.
"It doesn't show that it's from Earth orbit" - exactly.. that's the whole point of faking it. I watched the video you posted. Practice camera control? They flew into orbit to practice how to hold the camera against a window? And the fact this practice video was dated during the moon mission doesn't mean anything?

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Another lie from Sibrel.  The astronauts reacted to him not the supposed fake footage.  He was a known and convicted stalker.  He admitted in court that he would call them liars no matter how they reacted.  He had multiple astronauts that did swear on the bible as he requested but he doesn't like to show you that footage.
I'm not going by his video entirely. I saw the astronaut's reactions to the question. Not the retaliation upon being harassed and stalked and being called cowards etc coz anyone would punch him in the face for that whether right or wrong.

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Except when you have live TV footage of them putting it in place exactly where they claimed it is, and when you have images in the photos, 16mm and live TV footage that were not visible in any pre-Apollo images, and when you get data sent back from the equipment they installed as soon as they installed it, and when amateur radio enthusiasts on Earth monitor transmissions from the moon, then it all becomes a little more difficult  to dismiss. You can do marvellous things with unmanned probes, but nothing like as much as you can with people.
This information again doesn't prove that it was not done with unmanned missions.

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NASA don't offer anything as 'proof' - they don't have to answer to people who don't believe them. The offer results. If you want to look at what else they offered as proof, maybe take a look at the many scientific papers resulting from the data and collected by Apollo. I have 8 thick volumes from lunar science conferences, not to mention numerous lunar geology texts, that all analyse NASA's data from Apollo. Photos and other imagery are just scratching the surface.

again, this doesn't prove the human landing on the moon. Unmanned missions CAN achieve all the data.

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There are enough details visible in the TV broadcasts to pick out surface features visible in LRO photographs of the landing site. The live TV broadcasts from cislunar space show images of Earth that can only have been taken on the date and at the time of broadcast. Images from those broadcasts were published in newspapers and books at the time, not years later.

Does this include identical backgrounds from 3 different locations on the moon?

For the rest of it..... I do not claim they did or didn't land. But the landing evidence is not strong and the hoax evidence are stronger. I dreamed of feeling the moon missions and how wonderful it would have been. I'm not a deluded flat earther but I can deduce from evidence provided from both sides to sadly realise that moon landings were political and not scientific in nature.

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Re: Moon
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2016, 06:55:04 PM »
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They can. But compare the Russian unmanned probes. Multiple probes returned a few grams of surface dust.  On the other hand the US has over 800 pounds of dust, rocks and core samples.  Core samples could not be retrieved unmanned.
Quantity is irrelevant when there's no guaranteed method to differentiate the moon rocks from some volcano rocks scientists tested to be the same.
So you think geologists can't tell the difference between a rock formed in 1/6 gravity, never exposed to liquid water, and exposed to millions of years of cosmic rays from a volcanic rock?  Sorry, but you'd be wrong.

It's a claim vs another claim. Also, core samples can be retrieved unmanned. NASA has done amazing things in space and retrieving a core sample and lots of it too is most likely (in my opinion) an easy task for NASA.
No, they couldn't at the time.  They are still struggling with that task today IIRC.


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Many of the experiments had to be manually setup

Further, there is no evidence of an unmanned program to do these things.  Who built the probes? Who operated them?  Who retrieved them?  There is no evidence of any of it but there is evidence of a manned program.
Any information or evidence on this? I mean about the experiments
There were many experiments performed during Apollo that returned data even after they left.  I'm not going to track it all down for you.


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And the rocks, and the tracking, and the testimony, and the eyewitnesses that saw the rockets leaving earth orbit, and the warehouses full of documentation, etc.
You do realize there were more landings than just Apollo 11, right?  The problems you mention ONLY apply to Apollo 11
As for the high res video, that was taken with a camera in the CM.  The video from the surface was taken with a different camera with lower bandwidth requirements.  And the video quality improved on later missions.
Rocks... not proof as mentioned
Except you were wrong.
Testimony... not proof
Sure just call them all liars.   ::)

Eye witness of rockets leaving earth orbit... eye witness of leaving earth only, not earth orbit.. doesn't prove the landings either
No, there were witnesses of the rocket leaving Earth orbit.  The translunar burn was observed.  Where else would they go?

Faking ONE mission is sufficient.. why would they make the same error twice?
Are you saying the others weren't faked?   ???
You've yet to show it was a mistake.  What you described was a known side effect of the camera.  Projection on the other hand, doesn't work with bright objects in the foreground, like highly reflective astronaut suits.

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Nope.  None of it stands up to scrutiny

NONE of it stands up to scrutiny.  Everything hoaxies present only shows their ignorance.
There's no more to this then.. you believe the photos and I don't.. https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=76620 here's just some of the things and believe me there's so much more it's hard to keep track
From the linked post there is the usual about the shadow angles.  NONE show multiple shadows which would be seen with multiple lights.  ALL can be explained with perspective and terrain.  Then there is jpeg compression and dusty lens.  Then Jack White's ignorant claim that the rover is packaged when what is in the photo was NOT the rover.  It was stored in the other quad and in the photo is a pallet of scientific experiments.  The supposed reflection of a studio light in the visor is in the EXACT same position in multiple images.  Impossible for a reflection but not for a smudge on the glass.  It goes on with much of the same ignorance.

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which they went around
No they didn't.. they went through it. The astronauts (scientists) didn't know much about it either did they?
Nope.  Their trajectory took them around it.  Always has.  As for your other statement, ONE astronaut didn't know much about the belts.  So what?  It was a preplanned trajectory, it wasn't like they had to steer Buck Rogers style around obstacles.  They didn't have to know because it wasn't that important.

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not leaked.  It was broadcast live at the time.  And it doesn't show that it was from Earth orbit.  Sibrel wants you to believe that so you'll buy his stuff.  He cut out the part of the footage that proves him wrong.
"It doesn't show that it's from Earth orbit" - exactly.. that's the whole point of faking it. I watched the video you posted. Practice camera control? They flew into orbit to practice how to hold the camera against a window? And the fact this practice video was dated during the moon mission doesn't mean anything?
YOU claimed it showed them in Earth orbit.  It does not.  It shows them where they claimed to be halfway to the Moon.  It happened during the mission which is why it is dated during the mission.

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Another lie from Sibrel.  The astronauts reacted to him not the supposed fake footage.  He was a known and convicted stalker.  He admitted in court that he would call them liars no matter how they reacted.  He had multiple astronauts that did swear on the bible as he requested but he doesn't like to show you that footage.
I'm not going by his video entirely. I saw the astronaut's reactions to the question. Not the retaliation upon being harassed and stalked and being called cowards etc coz anyone would punch him in the face for that whether right or wrong.
They ALL knew he was scum.  They'd heard of him and how he had treated others.  They knew who he was.  They were reacting to him.

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Except when you have live TV footage of them putting it in place exactly where they claimed it is, and when you have images in the photos, 16mm and live TV footage that were not visible in any pre-Apollo images, and when you get data sent back from the equipment they installed as soon as they installed it, and when amateur radio enthusiasts on Earth monitor transmissions from the moon, then it all becomes a little more difficult  to dismiss. You can do marvellous things with unmanned probes, but nothing like as much as you can with people.
This information again doesn't prove that it was not done with unmanned missions.
Then show evidence for these unmanned missions.


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There are enough details visible in the TV broadcasts to pick out surface features visible in LRO photographs of the landing site. The live TV broadcasts from cislunar space show images of Earth that can only have been taken on the date and at the time of broadcast. Images from those broadcasts were published in newspapers and books at the time, not years later.

Does this include identical backgrounds from 3 different locations on the moon?
There are no identical backgrounds from 3 different locations.  There are SIMILAR distant mountains that don't change much due to perspective but that is to be expected.  There is also a third-party documentary that used two clips from the same EVA of one mission at the same location but the voiceover made a mistake and claimed a separate EVA.  NOT a NASA claim.

For the rest of it..... I do not claim they did or didn't land. But the landing evidence is not strong and the hoax evidence are stronger. I dreamed of feeling the moon missions and how wonderful it would have been. I'm not a deluded flat earther but I can deduce from evidence provided from both sides to sadly realise that moon landings were political and not scientific in nature.
There is no evidence of a hoax.

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If anyone can answer these two then I'll believe man landed on the moon

was a lie then.  They DID go around the belts in addition to the guy who discovered them said they weren't a problem, and the video was not only not leaked but doesn't show what Sibrel claims it does.

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Re: Moon
« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2016, 10:00:17 PM »
As all the initial points are pretty going in circles I'll not bother as I've said what I had to say. You can consider it a win for yourself if that makes you happy. It doesn't bother me because only information is important to me.

I'll address the last two points though:

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For the rest of it..... I do not claim they did or didn't land. But the landing evidence is not strong and the hoax evidence are stronger. I dreamed of feeling the moon missions and how wonderful it would have been. I'm not a deluded flat earther but I can deduce from evidence provided from both sides to sadly realise that moon landings were political and not scientific in nature.
There is no evidence of a hoax.

There's plenty. Just like there's plenty of claims about the humans landing on the moon.

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I guess this
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If anyone can answer these two then I'll believe man landed on the moon

was a lie then.  They DID go around the belts in addition to the guy who discovered them said they weren't a problem, and the video was not only not leaked but doesn't show what Sibrel claims it does.
Not at all. No one answered about the fake video.. the only answer I got was that it was training but that's already debunked since it was dated during the moon missions.

Yes the radiation belts was answered. I cannot make a judgement personally on that as I don't have the knowledge to refute that information and there's none available to me either. So I'd consider this answered and it's not weighing my decision anymore.

There are still many things pushing me towards the hoax.. if there's genuine threads on this I'd love to explore each and every one but I'm not sure how serious everyone is here as many are just NASA haters and I for one love all their achievements and discoveries. Except for this moon landing unfortunately

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Re: Moon
« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2016, 10:34:10 PM »
As other points have been addressed above perfectly well, I'll add to these:

As all the initial points are pretty going in circles I'll not bother as I've said what I had to say. You can consider it a win for yourself if that makes you happy. It doesn't bother me because only information is important to me.

I'll address the last two points though:

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There is no evidence of a hoax.

There's plenty. Just like there's plenty of claims about the humans landing on the moon.

No, there are plenty of claims of a hoax, the evidence those claims present is either a total misunderstand of fact or complete fabrication.

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Not at all. No one answered about the fake video.. the only answer I got was that it was training but that's already debunked since it was dated during the moon missions.

The parsing is getting somewhat convoluted, but I am going to assume we are still referring to convicted criminal Sibrel's claims of a leaked video that he says shows a cut out Earth that NASA accidentally gave him.

He's a liar.

In terms of your phrasing, it was not "training", it was a camera test - practice, if you will. There's a difference between that and training. Some of those test broadcasts were later re-broadcast in addition to the live one.

In terms of it being in Low Earth Orbit, impossible - you can't get a shot of the whole Earth in LEO. You just can't. There are plenty of Apollo images taken from LEO (including quite a few by Apollo 11), see the difference. In terms of it being a fake cut-out, what supposedly God fearing thug Sibrel doesn't realise is that the footage in those broadcasts shows Earth exactly as it should do on that date and at that time. I have several books and magazines published at the time tat document the broadcasts and show the images from them, as well as dated original press photographs that were taken from those broadcasts - including the tests. The footage has always been available, all you had to do was ask NASA, and there are still archives online showing the TV broadcasts with the footage in it. Go check them.

You can look at this website

http://www.apollo-history-and-hoax.com/Apollo11/index.html

or mine

http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch4/a11/ch4_3_1a.html

to see just how short of reality Sibrel's claims fall.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Moon
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2016, 02:06:08 AM »
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You can look at this website

http://www.apollo-history-and-hoax.com/Apollo11/index.html

or mine

http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch4/a11/ch4_3_1a.html

to see just how short of reality Sibrel's claims fall.

Both links are exceptional.. thanks for that. Bookmarked for tonight

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Re: Moon
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2016, 05:48:41 AM »

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I guess this
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If anyone can answer these two then I'll believe man landed on the moon

was a lie then.  They DID go around the belts in addition to the guy who discovered them said they weren't a problem, and the video was not only not leaked but doesn't show what Sibrel claims it does.
Not at all. No one answered about the fake video.. the only answer I got was that it was training but that's already debunked since it was dated during the moon missions.
Thank you for proving you didn't read the links provided or really watch the videos.  It occurred during the mission.  It was partially broadcast live at the time.  What is the problem with practicing how to use the camera on the mission itself?  Nobody claimed it was a different time.


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Re: Moon
« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2016, 09:49:56 PM »

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I guess this
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If anyone can answer these two then I'll believe man landed on the moon

was a lie then.  They DID go around the belts in addition to the guy who discovered them said they weren't a problem, and the video was not only not leaked but doesn't show what Sibrel claims it does.
Not at all. No one answered about the fake video.. the only answer I got was that it was training but that's already debunked since it was dated during the moon missions.
Thank you for proving you didn't read the links provided or really watch the videos.  It occurred during the mission.  It was partially broadcast live at the time.  What is the problem with practicing how to use the camera on the mission itself?  Nobody claimed it was a different time.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2016, 02:48:18 PM »
I love the Apollo program, such a great achievement of humanity.

Next argument we have to debunk please, keep 'em coming! I enjoy researching through books about technical details.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2016, 04:38:38 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
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« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2016, 04:48:58 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
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Re: Moon
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2016, 04:55:11 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
its a concentrated light source that gives off light just like the sun,the stars in the firmament(the dome,the lense) produce the light and then its focused down through the lense giving us the sun and moon
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Re: Moon
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2016, 05:19:44 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
its a concentrated light source that gives off light just like the sun,the stars in the firmament(the dome,the lense) produce the light and then its focused down through the lense giving us the sun and moon

Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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Re: Moon
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2016, 05:43:14 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
its a concentrated light source that gives off light just like the sun,the stars in the firmament(the dome,the lense) produce the light and then its focused down through the lense giving us the sun and moon

Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
its a concentrated light source that gives off light just like the sun,the stars in the firmament(the dome,the lense) produce the light and then its focused down through the lense giving us the sun and moon
That is incorrect. There is no dome. The sun and stars are fundamentally the same things, just the sun is much closer.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2016, 11:47:22 PM »
how can they land on a light,its just a light,they might have been through it but definately not on it
They can't, since light moves at the speed of light.

Why did you get the idea that this would work?
its a concentrated light source that gives off light just like the sun,the stars in the firmament(the dome,the lense) produce the light and then its focused down through the lense giving us the sun and moon
That is incorrect. There is no dome. The sun and stars are fundamentally the same things, just the sun is much closer.
yes there is a dome and yes the sun and moon are the same,you just said the sun is much closer and your very right,its much closer to us than the moon is,yeehaaa
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Re: Moon
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2016, 11:48:19 PM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2016, 11:55:43 PM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
who took the photos of them landing on the moon,dont tell me they dropped someone off first then came back down,or the sent out a big arm with a camera on,hahaha
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Re: Moon
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2016, 12:03:23 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
who took the photos of them landing on the moon,dont tell me they dropped someone off first then came back down,or the sent out a big arm with a camera on,hahaha
That question is so absurdly stupid... please go see a doctor.

I am not going to answer a question that shows you have done no research AT ALL. The Apollo 11 LEM landing was filmed from inside the LEM.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2016, 12:07:35 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
who took the photos of them landing on the moon,dont tell me they dropped someone off first then came back down,or the sent out a big arm with a camera on,hahaha
That question is so absurdly stupid... please go see a doctor.

I am not going to answer a question that shows you have done no research AT ALL. The Apollo 11 LEM landing was filmed from inside the LEM.
hahaha your crazy,wake up,dont you think the russians arnt in on it too,omg theres no hope for you your to far gone and they have got you
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Re: Moon
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2016, 01:17:42 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
who took the photos of them landing on the moon,dont tell me they dropped someone off first then came back down,or the sent out a big arm with a camera on,hahaha
That question is so absurdly stupid... please go see a doctor.

I am not going to answer a question that shows you have done no research AT ALL. The Apollo 11 LEM landing was filmed from inside the LEM.
hahaha your crazy,wake up,dont you think the russians arnt in on it too,omg theres no hope for you your to far gone and they have got you
How else do you think they recorded the moon from inside the LEM? through its windows!
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Re: Moon
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2016, 05:41:47 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
who took the photos of them landing on the moon,dont tell me they dropped someone off first then came back down,or the sent out a big arm with a camera on,hahaha
That question is so absurdly stupid... please go see a doctor.

I am not going to answer a question that shows you have done no research AT ALL. The Apollo 11 LEM landing was filmed from inside the LEM.
hahaha your crazy,wake up,dont you think the russians arnt in on it too,omg theres no hope for you your to far gone and they have got you
How else do you think they recorded the moon from inside the LEM? through its windows!
hahahahaha have you been drinking
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Re: Moon
« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2016, 07:04:08 AM »
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How else do you think they recorded the moon from inside the LEM? through its windows!
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hahahahaha have you been drinking
You asked how they recorded the LEM landing of Apollo 11. This was done with a 16mm film camera pointed at a window facing towards the lunar surface.

Unless you have an other question about the camera, LEM, or can bring up an other argument against the Apollo program, please do not post useless remarks that add nothing to this topic and its conversation.

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Re: Moon
« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2016, 09:10:09 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
ok send a rocket and land on it,the end
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Re: Moon
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2016, 09:11:42 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
ok send a rocket and land on it,the end

We have already landed on the RE model of the moon in the RE model of the solar system.

If you do not believe this, feel free to ask questions.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2016, 09:19:49 AM »
Can I have links to your sources of information please? so I can research your theory,
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ask your god if you have got one and leave your books alone

OK... send a rocket to the supposed 'moon' and show it is a light, by sending a rocket straight through it for example, while taking photos.
ok send a rocket and land on it,the end

We have already landed on the RE model of the moon in the RE model of the solar system.

If you do not believe this, feel free to ask questions.
omg please please come from this grasp they have on you,one life youve got please for your sake not gods
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Re: Moon
« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2016, 09:22:46 AM »
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We have already landed on the RE model of the moon in the RE model of the solar system.

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If you do not believe this, feel free to ask questions.
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omg please please come from this grasp they have on you,one life youve got please for your sake not gods

No question or argument received. Nothing that I can really try to answer.

Please come back when you have something meaningful for this topic to add.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2016, 09:41:43 AM »
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We have already landed on the RE model of the moon in the RE model of the solar system.

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If you do not believe this, feel free to ask questions.
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omg please please come from this grasp they have on you,one life youve got please for your sake not gods

No question or argument received. Nothing that I can really try to answer.

Please come back when you have something meaningful for this topic to add.
dont you have any fun left in your blood pal,stop being so serious fella,at the end of the day we have only got eachothers,chill man
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