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« on: August 31, 2016, 01:02:08 PM »
I am new to the group and I joined in search for an answer to this question: Were all the moon landings fake or only the 1969 one?
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Re: Moon
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 01:05:06 PM »
Why would they fake only one? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 01:10:04 PM »
Quote from: brazil on August 31, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
I am new to the group and I joined in search for an answer to this question: Were all the moon landings fake or only the 1969 one?
None of them were fake. You can still detect the stuff they left behind (retreoreflectors), and see the stuff they brought back. (moon rocks)
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Re: Moon
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2016, 01:20:32 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: brazil on August 31, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
I am new to the group and I joined in search for an answer to this question: Were all the moon landings fake or only the 1969 one?
None of them were fake. You can still detect the stuff they left behind (retreoreflectors), and see the stuff they brought back. (moon rocks)

By moon rocks, are you referring to petrified wood? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 01:24:37 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: brazil on August 31, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
I am new to the group and I joined in search for an answer to this question: Were all the moon landings fake or only the 1969 one?
None of them were fake. You can still detect the stuff they left behind (retreoreflectors), and see the stuff they brought back. (moon rocks)

By moon rocks, are you referring to petrified wood?
No. I am referring to moon rocks.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2016, 01:32:25 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: brazil on August 31, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
I am new to the group and I joined in search for an answer to this question: Were all the moon landings fake or only the 1969 one?
None of them were fake. You can still detect the stuff they left behind (retreoreflectors), and see the stuff they brought back. (moon rocks)

By moon rocks, are you referring to petrified wood?
No. I am referring to moon rocks.

Kind of odd, then, that your astronauts give petrified wood away as moon landing evidence, would you not say? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM »
They don't. They give moon rocks away.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things. 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2016, 01:37:02 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things.
I don't need to, cause I never say dumb things.  ;D
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Re: Moon
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2016, 01:38:43 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things.
I don't need to, cause I never say dumb things.  ;D

You could probably try a simple search on Google and find out all about fake moon rocks.  Just a suggestion.   
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Re: Moon
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2016, 01:40:22 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things.
I don't need to, cause I never say dumb things.  ;D

You could probably try a simple search on Google and find out all about fake moon rocks.  Just a suggestion.
Why would I search for fake moon rocks? The astronauts didn't bring those back with them. They brought moon rocks back with them.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 01:42:23 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things.
I don't need to, cause I never say dumb things.  ;D

You could probably try a simple search on Google and find out all about fake moon rocks.  Just a suggestion.
Why would I search for fake moon rocks? The astronauts didn't bring those back with them. They brought moon rocks back with them.

Am I to suppose the moon is really made of petrified wood now? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 01:47:14 PM »
No, because it is made of moon rocks.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 01:50:26 PM »
Then why do your scientists present petrified wood as evidence of a moon landing? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2016, 01:54:42 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:50:26 PM
Then why do your scientists present petrified wood as evidence of a moon landing?
They don't. They present moon rocks as evidence of a moon landing.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2016, 01:57:35 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:50:26 PM
Then why do your scientists present petrified wood as evidence of a moon landing?
They don't. They present moon rocks as evidence of a moon landing.

I think a lot of people would disagree with you.  Have you done any research yet? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2016, 02:00:11 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:50:26 PM
Then why do your scientists present petrified wood as evidence of a moon landing?
They don't. They present moon rocks as evidence of a moon landing.

I think a lot of people would disagree with you.  Have you done any research yet?
Yes. I have done research. They definitely presented moon rocks as a result from them going to the moon.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2016, 02:04:13 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:50:26 PM
Then why do your scientists present petrified wood as evidence of a moon landing?
They don't. They present moon rocks as evidence of a moon landing.

I think a lot of people would disagree with you.  Have you done any research yet?
Yes. I have done research. They definitely presented moon rocks as a result from them going to the moon.

You must have skipped over the part where they were giving away petrified trees and trying to pass them off as moon rocks.  Perhaps your problem is reading comprehension? 
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Re: Moon
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2016, 02:07:16 PM »
They never gave away petrified trees. They gave away moon rocks.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2016, 02:09:28 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
They never gave away petrified trees. They gave away moon rocks.

Whom, exactly, are you calling liars?  I want to know whom I can quote. 
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2016, 02:12:06 PM »
I am not calling anybody a liar. I am just correcting your misinformed statements.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2016, 02:14:14 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 02:12:06 PM
I am not calling anybody a liar. I am just correcting your misinformed statements.

So, the astronauts never gave away petrified wood as moon rocks?  Please, good sir, do a little research. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2016, 02:15:49 PM »
Correct. They never gave away petrified wood as moon rocks. They gave away moon rocks as moon rocks.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2016, 02:19:14 PM »
Seems like jroa is referring to an isolated incident with one Dutch museum and applying this one incident to all moon rocks. Simple troll tactic.

It has been reported all over about this one museum in Holland that received a fake moon rock made of petrified wood. Does it follow that ALL moon rocks in ALL the world's museums are made of petrified wood? How many museum curators are now a part of The Conspiracy?
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Re: Moon
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2016, 02:19:46 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
Correct. They never gave away petrified wood as moon rocks. They gave away moon rocks as moon rocks.

Quote from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

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Re: Moon
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2016, 02:27:37 PM »
Quote from: jroa on August 31, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
They don't. They give moon rocks away.

You should probably perform at least the slightest bit of research before you say dumb things. 

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 31, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
They never gave away petrified trees. They gave away moon rocks.

We have five real moon rocks, four from Apollo 11 ( 0.05 grams in total)  and one from Apollo 17. ( Approximately 1 gram.)

About the piece of petrified wood...

Drees, old prime minister, received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing. It was not given directly by NASA unlike the other five moon rocks.

The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees had more rocks in his collection, a mistake could easily have been made. The people who gave the rock to the museum ASSUMED it to be a Moon rock.

"Apparently no one thought to doubt it, since it came from the prime minister's collection," Van Gelder said.
Mr Middendorf told how the rock came from the U.S. State Department, but couldn't recall the exact details.
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Re: Moon
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2016, 02:30:09 PM »
So yeah, back to the original question, none of the moon landings were fake.  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2016, 02:35:55 PM »
Quote from: sindikitjay on August 31, 2016, 02:30:09 PM
So yeah, back to the original question, none of the moon landings were fake.  ;)

There was no dust on the LEM landing pads though, that is a bit weird. On 16mm footage you can see a lot of dust being blown away when the Apollo 11 LEM descents. No dust clouds are formed by this blowing, why not?
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2016, 03:04:28 PM »
If you think about it, dust clouds form because of air pressure. There is no atmosphere on the moon to resist any dust that is disturbed, so the particles just go flying on  with very little atmospheric resistance.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2016, 03:38:22 PM »
Quote from: Denspressure on August 31, 2016, 02:35:55 PM
Quote from: sindikitjay on August 31, 2016, 02:30:09 PM
So yeah, back to the original question, none of the moon landings were fake.  ;)

There was no dust on the LEM landing pads though, that is a bit weird. On 16mm footage you can see a lot of dust being blown away when the Apollo 11 LEM descents. No dust clouds are formed by this blowing, why not?

Ironically, this is one of the POSITIVE PROOFS of the apollo landing. Only in a pure vacuum could you land and expel dust in a parabolic trajectory out from the landing site without an atmosphere forming clouds.

Yet another proof.
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