Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2016, 09:44:01 PM »
First, it is rich in resources and greedy, powerful men plotted how to keep it for themselves. There is a lot of land left to discover and with so much land mass
Under an FE model nobody can possibly extract resources from Antarctica, let alone get there in the first place.

Second, after the moon hoax
[citation needed]

Stopped reading right there buddy. You think the moon landings was faked? Then why can I bounce a laser off of a mirror that humans placed upon the moon and get a result back?

Ummmm...there are no laser's that can reach the moon...lol. Nice try though.

Like most flat earthers you just come out with totally unsubstantiated statements. There were radar measurements as early as 1957.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Lunar Distance, Radar
An experiment was conducted in 1957 at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory that used the echo from radar signals to determine the Earth-Moon distance. Radar pulses lasting 2 Ás were broadcast from a 50 ft diameter radio dish. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. From that measurement, the distance could be calculated. In practice, however, the signal-to-noise ratio was so low that an accurate measurement could not be reliably produced.

The experiment was repeated in 1958 at the Royal Radar Establishment, in England. Radar pulses lasting 5 Ás were transmitted with a peak power of 2 megawatts, at a repetition rate of 260 pulses per second. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. Multiple signals were added together to obtain a reliable signal by superimposing oscilloscope traces onto photographic film. From the measurements, the distance was calculated with an uncertainty of 1.25 km.

These initial experiments were intended to be proof-of-concept experiments and only lasted one day. Follow-on experiments lasting one month produced a mean value of 384402▒1.2 km, which was the most accurate measurement of the lunar distance at the time.
From Lunar distance (astronomy) Radar

And there were laser's that could reach the moon in 1962 - yes even before the lunar landings.
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Lunar Laser Ranging experiment
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The first successful tests were carried out in 1962 when a team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology succeeded in observing laser pulses reflected from moon's surface using a laser with a millisecond pulse length. Similar measurements were obtained later the same year by a Soviet team at the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory using a Q-switched ruby laser. Greater accuracy was achieved following the installation of a retroreflector array on July 21, 1969, by the crew of Apollo 11, and two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have also contributed to the experiment. Successful lunar laser range measurements to the retroreflectors were first reported by the 3.1 m telescope at Lick Observatory, Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratories Lunar Ranging Observatory in Arizona, the Pic du Midi Observatory in France, the Tokyo Astronomical Observatory, and McDonald Observatory in Texas.

You must really enjoy all these conspiracies you go in for.  :) Still, if it keeps you happy!  :)

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2016, 10:26:48 PM »
First, it is rich in resources and greedy, powerful men plotted how to keep it for themselves. There is a lot of land left to discover and with so much land mass
Under an FE model nobody can possibly extract resources from Antarctica, let alone get there in the first place.

Second, after the moon hoax
[citation needed]

Stopped reading right there buddy. You think the moon landings was faked? Then why can I bounce a laser off of a mirror that humans placed upon the moon and get a result back?

Ummmm...there are no laser's that can reach the moon...lol. Nice try though.

Like most flat earthers you just come out with totally unsubstantiated statements. There were radar measurements as early as 1957.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Lunar Distance, Radar
An experiment was conducted in 1957 at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory that used the echo from radar signals to determine the Earth-Moon distance. Radar pulses lasting 2 Ás were broadcast from a 50 ft diameter radio dish. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. From that measurement, the distance could be calculated. In practice, however, the signal-to-noise ratio was so low that an accurate measurement could not be reliably produced.

The experiment was repeated in 1958 at the Royal Radar Establishment, in England. Radar pulses lasting 5 Ás were transmitted with a peak power of 2 megawatts, at a repetition rate of 260 pulses per second. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. Multiple signals were added together to obtain a reliable signal by superimposing oscilloscope traces onto photographic film. From the measurements, the distance was calculated with an uncertainty of 1.25 km.

These initial experiments were intended to be proof-of-concept experiments and only lasted one day. Follow-on experiments lasting one month produced a mean value of 384402▒1.2 km, which was the most accurate measurement of the lunar distance at the time.
From Lunar distance (astronomy) Radar

And there were laser's that could reach the moon in 1962 - yes even before the lunar landings.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Lunar Laser Ranging experiment
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The first successful tests were carried out in 1962 when a team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology succeeded in observing laser pulses reflected from moon's surface using a laser with a millisecond pulse length. Similar measurements were obtained later the same year by a Soviet team at the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory using a Q-switched ruby laser. Greater accuracy was achieved following the installation of a retroreflector array on July 21, 1969, by the crew of Apollo 11, and two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have also contributed to the experiment. Successful lunar laser range measurements to the retroreflectors were first reported by the 3.1 m telescope at Lick Observatory, Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratories Lunar Ranging Observatory in Arizona, the Pic du Midi Observatory in France, the Tokyo Astronomical Observatory, and McDonald Observatory in Texas.

You must really enjoy all these conspiracies you go in for.  :) Still, if it keeps you happy!  :)

Retro reflectors does not prove apollo 11.   The russians sent the lunar rover before apollo 11.  Retroreflectors are not required to be installed by humans.

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2016, 11:21:27 PM »
The moon landing ...
And that they could go through the Van Allen belt's radiation? Today, they claim that they have to work on a solution to get through the belt's radiation without killing the crew and damaging the instruments. That is why they can't go back to moon.

This shit gets more ridiculous every time you people repeat it!! NASA never said they couldn't get through the belts.. But now, apparently, it will kill them just by going through them!! 

Maybe you people should consider reading about the Van Allen Belts from people who actually know what they're talking about, instead of flat earthers and moon hoaxers.....

Not to mention Van Allen himself who has no problem believing in space flight.  Any anyhow, the most potent protection against alpha radiation is surprisingly plastic sheeting a few mm thick.

I always thought moon hoaxers were the dumbest-of-the-dumb. And then I found the FEers.

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2016, 11:26:53 PM »
The world is governed by a gang aimed make to The people to know wrong about everything which possible.
Do you have any example what is possible in a FE world that the "gang" would not want the people to know about and what would make them powerful?

The gang knows the example better than us. None of us know all of the results of what we think the earth is a globe instead of a flat. I have some examples about this question but i'm not sure if it fully meet to your question. I can give examples of some of the results but don't know all of them because i'm not a member of that global gang.

Nukes are lies. This is not directly related to the shape of the earth. But this shows what a lie causes. With this lie, you can control all over the world by threatening with use to nuclear weapons.

The shape of the earth lie generally causes to continue NASA lies with it's allies. USA, Russia, China, Japan and other allies say they gone to the space. This lie causes do control to the other countries. Because the power can gone to the space can control the world. This ensures technological superiority to other countries by perception study .

NASA gathering about 20 billion dollars using clean money in the dirty work and supporting terrorism. If it not, how can USA supports the terrorist groups. 20 billion dollars mean 20 milion people dying with this lie.

If NASA and allies accept the earth is a flat, then no dirty money, no terrorism.

If NASA and allies accept the earth is a flat, then no chaos on Iraq, Syria, middle east, Afghanistan, Somali, ... etc. Freedom will increase than. Because The importance of global power countries effect will be reduced.

In my opinion both of supporting to shape of round is same with supporting to terrorism, or take someone 's freedom back, or cutting a man's head.
You are wrong on all counts.
War and terrorism exist because of religion, territorial and political causes.
In fact, on a flat earth with all humans trapped on this earth and nowhere to expand, territorial wars will increase. What do you think will happen when a countries population becomes so larger that it cannot support them?

As long as "An eye for an eye" saying still exist, then there will never be peace in the middle east. That has nothing to do with your global power countries theory.

Nasa does not launch commercial satellites or payloads, it's the private companies like ULA, ILS and spaceX that launches payloads. Any country can develop their own launch industry or rent launches from the private launchers, so how can NASA have power?

In my opinion, supporting a flat earth is supporting selfishness, regression and territorial wars.

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2016, 11:30:02 PM »
The world is governed by a gang aimed make to The people to know wrong about everything which possible.
Do you have any example what is possible in a FE world that the "gang" would not want the people to know about and what would make them powerful?

The gang knows the example better than us. None of us know all of the results of what we think the earth is a globe instead of a flat. I have some examples about this question but i'm not sure if it fully meet to your question. I can give examples of some of the results but don't know all of them because i'm not a member of that global gang.

Nukes are lies. This is not directly related to the shape of the earth. But this shows what a lie causes. With this lie, you can control all over the world by threatening with use to nuclear weapons.

The shape of the earth lie generally causes to continue NASA lies with it's allies. USA, Russia, China, Japan and other allies say they gone to the space. This lie causes do control to the other countries. Because the power can gone to the space can control the world. This ensures technological superiority to other countries by perception study .

NASA gathering about 20 billion dollars using clean money in the dirty work and supporting terrorism. If it not, how can USA supports the terrorist groups. 20 billion dollars mean 20 milion people dying with this lie.

If NASA and allies accept the earth is a flat, then no dirty money, no terrorism.

If NASA and allies accept the earth is a flat, then no chaos on Iraq, Syria, middle east, Afghanistan, Somali, ... etc. Freedom will increase than. Because The importance of global power countries effect will be reduced.

In my opinion both of supporting to shape of round is same with supporting to terrorism, or take someone 's freedom back, or cutting a man's head.
You are wrong on all counts.
War and terrorism exist because of religion, territorial and political causes.
In fact, on a flat earth with all humans trapped on this earth and nowhere to expand, territorial wars will increase. What do you think will happen when a countries population becomes so larger that it cannot support them?

As long as "An eye for an eye" saying still exist, then there will never be peace in the middle east. That has nothing to do with your global power countries theory.

Nasa does not launch commercial satellites or payloads, it's the private companies like ULA, ILS and spaceX that launches payloads. Any country can develop their own launch industry or rent launches from the private launchers, so how can NASA have power?

In my opinion, supporting a flat earth is supporting selfishness, regression and territorial wars.

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2016, 11:34:51 PM »
First, it is rich in resources and greedy, powerful men plotted how to keep it for themselves. There is a lot of land left to discover and with so much land mass
Under an FE model nobody can possibly extract resources from Antarctica, let alone get there in the first place.

Second, after the moon hoax
[citation needed]

Stopped reading right there buddy. You think the moon landings was faked? Then why can I bounce a laser off of a mirror that humans placed upon the moon and get a result back?

Ummmm...there are no laser's that can reach the moon...lol. Nice try though.

Other than all the ones that have been doing it thousands of times?

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2016, 11:40:07 PM »
Retro reflectors does not prove apollo 11.   The russians sent the lunar rover before apollo 11.  Retroreflectors are not required to be installed by humans.

Who cares? Either way, it proves the fact that we have landed an object on the moon and directed it to do at least 1 task, which was completed successfully

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2016, 10:38:01 AM »
The government is promoting the message of the devil.

The round earth is a message of the devil.

Therefore the gods I know exist are of the flat earth...

The truth.

First of all, Church itself never said Earth is Flat.
They said it is Static.
And those are two different things.

Globe Earth was accepted more than 2000 years ago, when Disc Earth model was abandoned as useless and flawed.
It was LONG BEFORE NASA and other space agencies in the world.

God told us to be fruitful / fertile and multiply.
He is guiding us STEP by STEP, when our mind is ready for it.
He said "repopulate the Earth" and He knew we will overpopulate and need to spread to other planets.

Space agencies are trying to allow us to spread throughout the Universe.
If we live all in the same planet, the next big asteroid will kill us all.
Who will carry on the God's Word?

Denying example with dinosaurs won't make it disappear.

So, which one is REAL "message from the Devil"?
The one that encourages us to spread throughout the Universe?
Or the one that sabbotages space agencies and tries to keep us all in single planet?

I'd say the one that concentrates us all into same risk.

"Earth is flat, don't go, let's all die together."

And Church really never said the Earth is Flat.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2016, 11:17:07 AM »
The government is hiding the flat earth from us so they can play with fire.

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2016, 12:23:02 PM »

Ummmm...there are no laser's that can reach the moon...lol. Nice try though.

Visit the Apache Point observatory, they have a laser, which beam does not only go to the moon, but does also come back.
McDonalds Observatory also has laser.

Looks like the try is even "nicer" than you thought. :-)
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2016, 04:10:46 PM »
There is no intentional conspiracy to hide a flat Earth. The majority of supposed evidence is simple misinterpretation; all those observations have an explanation on a flat Earth also. However, RET is viewed as far stronger for one reason alone, and that reason is space travel.
Even non flat earthers believe this is faked. The motive for this is easy to see: it was the cold war, people did anything to gain a political advantage. They gave photos of a round earth simply because that's what they expected to see, the same way Jurassic Park doesn't have dinosaurs with feathers. However, as people take it as fact, the consequences immediately became unquestionable in the public eye. By now, the idea of refuting space travel has become so laughable in the public eye that no one does serious analysis, brushing it all off as conspiracy theories and quackery, without going through the factors themselves.

It's self-perpetuating too. As space travel is impossible (see my sig for the link to my model outline, where there is an explanation), and yet people treat the idea as ludicrous to propose it's impossible, no company will want to admit that they failed.

The only secret is that space travel is impossible. The flat Earth is easy to reach as a conclusion when you leave behind space travel, but no one would.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2016, 04:36:24 PM »
There is no intentional conspiracy to hide a flat Earth. The majority of supposed evidence is simple misinterpretation; all those observations have an explanation on a flat Earth also. However, RET is viewed as far stronger for one reason alone, and that reason is space travel.
Even non flat earthers believe this is faked. The motive for this is easy to see: it was the cold war, people did anything to gain a political advantage. They gave photos of a round earth simply because that's what they expected to see, the same way Jurassic Park doesn't have dinosaurs with feathers. However, as people take it as fact, the consequences immediately became unquestionable in the public eye. By now, the idea of refuting space travel has become so laughable in the public eye that no one does serious analysis, brushing it all off as conspiracy theories and quackery, without going through the factors themselves.

It's self-perpetuating too. As space travel is impossible (see my sig for the link to my model outline, where there is an explanation), and yet people treat the idea as ludicrous to propose it's impossible, no company will want to admit that they failed.

The only secret is that space travel is impossible. The flat Earth is easy to reach as a conclusion when you leave behind space travel, but no one would.

This is simply incorrect. There are dozens of reasons besides space travel that prove the earth is round

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2016, 04:47:26 PM »
"This is simply incorrect. There are dozens of reasons besides space travel that prove the earth is round."
Nothing proves that, beyond direct observation. There are many observations thought to be evidence for it, yes. Some may contradict some FE models, but that is a fault with those individual models, not FET as a whole. The DE model in particular does answer them.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2016, 06:41:25 PM »
"This is simply incorrect. There are dozens of reasons besides space travel that prove the earth is round."
Nothing proves that, beyond direct observation. There are many observations thought to be evidence for it, yes. Some may contradict some FE models, but that is a fault with those individual models, not FET as a whole. The DE, model in particular, does answer them.

It with be more accurate to say "The DE model, in particular, does answer them some of them by an aether with completely unprovable properties."

I said "does answer them some of them" because even the DE does not get the known dimensions of the earth correct.

The distance from either pole to the equator is very close to 10,000 km and the circumference of the earth at the equator is very close to 40,000 km.

But on any flat earth (single or dual) the circumference has to be 2 x π x (distance pole to equator), so even your Dual Earth does not fit.

To fit the measured dimensions the earth has to have its "curvature"!

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2016, 08:04:36 PM »
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Some may contradict some FE models, but that is a fault with those individual models, not FET as a whole.
The DE model in particular does answer them.

Went to your link, saw some things.
Haven't found map, only sketch of concept.
Saw only several FAQs, none answers few vital questions that come in mind.

For example:
How to use DE model to calculate field of illumination based on position of Sun?
What causes astronomical or geodesic horizontals to tilt by one degree to each other if 69 miles apart?
What causes apparent horizon dip, known to be important factor while using sextant?
(Sextant is used at night as well, to measure elevatrions of any known star, not only polar ones.
One degree error makes position error of 60 nautical miles.)

There's more, these three are just first ones.
Didn't register there, because lately avoid registrations, did it too many times before.
Hate remembering so many passwords or searching so many pages for them.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2016, 01:09:08 AM »
There is no intentional conspiracy to hide a flat Earth. The majority of supposed evidence is simple misinterpretation; all those observations have an explanation on a flat Earth also. However, RET is viewed as far stronger for one reason alone, and that reason is space travel.
Even non flat earthers believe this is faked. The motive for this is easy to see: it was the cold war, people did anything to gain a political advantage. They gave photos of a round earth simply because that's what they expected to see, the same way Jurassic Park doesn't have dinosaurs with feathers. However, as people take it as fact, the consequences immediately became unquestionable in the public eye. By now, the idea of refuting space travel has become so laughable in the public eye that no one does serious analysis, brushing it all off as conspiracy theories and quackery, without going through the factors themselves.

It's self-perpetuating too. As space travel is impossible (see my sig for the link to my model outline, where there is an explanation), and yet people treat the idea as ludicrous to propose it's impossible, no company will want to admit that they failed.

The only secret is that space travel is impossible. The flat Earth is easy to reach as a conclusion when you leave behind space travel, but no one would.
That motive went to shit the moment the private industry started launcing rockets and satellites. There is no way a private company would knowingly loose millions of dollars just to uphold a secret.
So what do all the satellite building companies do?, What do all the rocket builders do?, why does tv broadcasting companies order satellites and rockets for millions of dollars if they do not send them up?
What are the rockets that everyone sees, hears and feels launching?

Volkswagen got caught cheating with diesel emissions ffs! You don't think the whole aerospace industry would get caught if everything was faked? Come on.

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2016, 05:14:53 AM »
Back to the OP for a bit.

The following groups attempt to claim that the Earth is round:
  • The 7 countries with territorial claims on Antarctica (The alleged location of the Ice Wall)
  • The staffers of all the research bases in the Arctic
  • The top leaders of space programs of the US, the Soviet Union, and China
  • The 533 people that have allegedly orbited Earth
  • The 24 people that allegedly have gone beyond low-Earth orbit, and
  • The 12 people that allegedly set foot on the moon.
Assuming that every one of them is lying, I doubt that not a single person who has first hand knowledge of the earth being flat has come forward to release details on the conspiracy. However, for all intents and purposes, allow us to assume that either these people have been co-erced, bribed, or perhaps they were also fooled into believing the globe earth theory. However, what are the potential motives that "the man" has, as far as keeping the truth about Flat Earth a secret goes?

While "tinfoiltophat" lists a limited number of people who would "have to be lying", there is an extremely large number of people who just go about their work performing tasks that would not work the same, if at all, on a flat earth.

This group would include at least:
  • All ships navigators. The used marine gyrocompasses, and need to be proficient in celestial navigation. They must plan the appropriate course and calculate the required fuel load. The distances on a flat earth are greatly larger than on a globe, especially in the Southern Hemisphere.

  • All airline pilots and first officiers. They must plan the appropriate course and calculate the required fuel load. The distances on a flat earth are greatly larger than on a globe, especially in the Southern Hemisphere.

  • All astronomers, both amateur an professional. Apart from all the differences in the detail of movement of celestial objects, all astronomers are aware of the "equatorial telescope mount", which simply could not work in the same way (if at all) on a flat earth.

  • All geodesic surveyors. They take measurements on large areas of the earth, and would soon know its shape.

  • All surveyors dealing in mining and tunneling, where the Gyro-Theodolite is used for finding true directions celestial observations (or GPS fixes) are not possible.

  • All engineers planning microwave links, where the maximum tower spacing is determined by the curve of the earth - and yes, they do know about refraction etc.

  • All those installing satellite TV  dishes and satellite communiations links.

These people just go about their work based on the Globe Earth. If the earth were flat and not rotating many of these tasks would be performed quite differently and the people involved would certainly know the difference.

Somehow I think that it would need to be much more the just the government hiding "the truth".

Mind you, when I hear anyone claiming to have "The Truth", I get immediately get suspicious of what is being peddled!

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2016, 06:34:10 AM »
"I said "does answer them some of them" because even the DE does not get the known dimensions of the earth correct."
How do you know those dimensions are accurate?

"Saw only several FAQs, none answers few vital questions that come in mind."
Hardly vital. first is a matter of resources and time rather than theory, and I suspect the latter two are the same, but can't be sure as they're incoherent. And like I said in the page linked to, you don't need to register.

"There is no way a private company would knowingly loose millions of dollars just to uphold a secret."
It's not knowingly. They try, find it's impossible, work out work-arounds (stratellites are well described under classical FET) and there you go.

"What are the rockets that everyone sees, hears and feels launching?"
Rockets. They exist, they just can't get to space.

"Volkswagen got caught cheating with diesel emissions ffs! You don't think the whole aerospace industry would get caught if everything was faked?"
Volkswagen cars are easily accessible.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2016, 10:24:36 AM »
The following groups attempt to claim that the Earth is round:
  • The 7 countries with territorial claims on Antarctica (The alleged location of the Ice Wall)
  • The staffers of all the research bases in the Arctic
  • The top leaders of space programs of the US, the Soviet Union, and China
  • The 533 people that have allegedly orbited Earth
  • The 24 people that allegedly have gone beyond low-Earth orbit, and
  • The 12 people that allegedly set foot on the moon.
Assuming that every one of them is lying, I doubt that not a single person who has first hand knowledge of the earth being flat has come forward to release details on the conspiracy. However, for all intents and purposes, allow us to assume that either these people have been co-erced, bribed, or perhaps they were also fooled into believing the globe earth theory. However, what are the potential motives that "the man" has, as far as keeping the truth about Flat Earth a secret goes?

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2016, 12:50:49 PM »
You think the moon landings was faked? Then why can I bounce a laser off of a mirror that humans placed upon the moon and get a result back?
Can you? I mean you, personally can do it? Please confirm your experiment with evidentical proof.


The moon landing ...
Do you really believe that with this vehicle, made of cardboard, tin foil and duct tape, they actually landed on the moon, later they took off from it? And that they could go through the Van Allen belt's radiation? Today, they claim that they have to work on a solution to get through the belt's radiation without killing the crew and damaging the instruments. That is why they can't go back to moon.

Just because the Moon landings were faked doesn't mean the Earth is flat.

I'm not sure why these two separate issues constantly get equated, there are hundreds more examples of the US government lying through its teeth. It goes without saying.

If the flat Earth is to be taken seriously it needs to be proven conclusively. Relying on the 'Bedford Level Experiment' some sh*tty experiment 100 years ago over and over again just won't cut.

Besides everyone knows the Earth is shaped like the back of Patrick Stewart's head...
Flat vs. Round is a distraction aimed at covering the REAL truth.

The donut-shaped Earth is the only way, the light and salvation.

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. [John 8:32]

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2016, 03:55:49 PM »
"I said "does answer them some of them" because even the DE does not get the known dimensions of the earth correct."
How do you know those dimensions are accurate?

How accurate would you need to be to tell the difference between 40,000 km and 62,800 km?
Not very!

The metre was defined as
(distance from the equator to the north pole on the latitude through Paris)/10,000,0000

The nautical mile was originally defined as one minute of arc of longitude at the equator or of latitude.
Quote from: OnlineConversion
What is a knot? What is a nautical mile?
. . . . . .  The nautical mile was based on the circumference of the earth at the equator. Since the earth is 360 degrees of longitude around, and degrees are broken into 60 so-called "minutes", that means there are 360 * 60 = 21,600 "minutes" of longitude around the earth. This was taken as the basis for the nautical mile; thus, by definition, 1 minute of longitude at the equator is equal to 1 nautical mile. So the earth is ideally, by definition, 21,600 nautical miles (and 21,600 "minutes" of longitude) in circumference at the equator. If anyone ever asks you how far is it around the earth, you can quickly do the math in your head (360 degrees * 60 minutes per degree) and answer "about 21,600 nautical miles!"
from OnlineConversion.
And 21,600 nautical miles = 40003.2 km. About 40,075,016.6856 m, if you are really fussy!
You will have every ship's navigator down on your head
if you claim anything else, or that a degree of latitude is significantly different from a degree of longitude at the equator!
Do I need to explain it more? I can draw pictures if you like!

What is the circumference of the equator on your DE?

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2016, 04:26:06 PM »
"How accurate would you need to be to tell the difference between 40,000 km and 62,800 km?"
Well you'd need someone taking the right journey with perfect knowledge of wind or sea conditions to begin with. It's not exactly a feasible distance to measure.

"What is the circumference of the equator on your DE?"
No idea, you have the same resources as me, you measure the equator, let me know what you find. You have to know how stupid that question is. I'm not going to blindly quote round earth belief, I'm concerned with fact, and I do not have the resources to map that out.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2016, 08:18:50 PM »
"How accurate would you need to be to tell the difference between 40,000 km and 62,800 km?"
Well you'd need someone taking the right journey with perfect knowledge of wind or sea conditions to begin with. It's not exactly a feasible distance to measure.

"What is the circumference of the equator on your DE?"
No idea, you have the same resources as me, you measure the equator, let me know what you find. You have to know how stupid that question is. I'm not going to blindly quote round earth belief, I'm concerned with fact, and I do not have the resources to map that out.

It's your model!

Look, we know the size and shapes of all continents and countries.
We know the circumference of equator of the real earth (globe, flat or egg-shaped).
We know the distance from the equator to the North or South Pole.

If your earth is a flat disc, its radius must be almost exactly 10,000 km.

How hard is it to work out that the circumference must be 2 x π x 10,000 km or close 62,832 km?

Or are you going to claim that all measurements of the earth have been made by these "Masonic Geodesic Surveyors", and so are all faked?

It does seem strange that whenever I have taken road journeys the distances given by GPS, car odometer, maps and road signs have agreed to far better accuracy than that needed here. I have travelled by road for many tens of thousands of km around Australia and over 8,000 km around the UK.

We are not talking about errors of ▒0.1%! If you know these dimensions to ▒10% (or even 60%!) you can prove one model over the other! This applies to your model and more so to the single disk FET.

Careful measurements of the earth can determine its shape, and if flat earthers would pull their collective heads out of the sand they would realise that we already have those measurements.

No, the maps we have now are quite accurate, and the agree to quite good accuracy with surveyed maps over 150 years old, so it's no recent "NASA conspiracy".

You do need to "get real" and stop living in your own little dreamworld!

Still, I guess everyone needs a hobby and it's better than robbing little old ladies!

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2016, 11:11:33 PM »
The government is hiding the flat earth from us so they can play with fire.



Wow that's an awesome .gif

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2016, 11:37:15 PM »
The thread title is in fact a brilliant and far-reaching question. WHY? Why would the government hide a flat earth from us? What possible reason would exist for that? And remember it has to be ALL governments, ALL astronomers, ALL pilots, ALL sailors, ALL scientists and the list goes on. So no one has really ever come up with a rationale for this conspiracy. Probably because the word rationale contains the word RATIONAL and there is absolutely nothing even remotely rational about a flat earth conspiracy.

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2016, 12:08:56 AM »
My favorite reason I heard was Hollywood would lose money.  The reason people would not be interested in paying to see sci-fi movies like Star Wars.

I wish I could remember where I saw someone making that claim.  It might of been here or the other site whose mention gets censored here.  Could have been in a comment section of a youtube video when I first realized people were actively promoting the Earth was flat.

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2016, 05:51:37 AM »
There is no intentional conspiracy to hide a flat Earth. The majority of supposed evidence is simple misinterpretation; all those observations have an explanation on a flat Earth also. However, RET is viewed as far stronger for one reason alone, and that reason is space travel...The only secret is that space travel is impossible. The flat Earth is easy to reach as a conclusion when you leave behind space travel, but no one would.
It must strike you as quite odd then, whenever you read about people hundreds of years before space flight who nevertheless believed the earth to be round.

For example, there is the Behaim Globe, currently the oldest known surviving globe representation of the earth anywhere in the world.  It was produced in 1492, before the discovery of the "new world", and is currently housed (but not displayed) at the Germanisches Nationalmuseum (Germanic National Museum) in NŘrnberger (Nuremberg).  It depicts a round earth that is smaller than it turned out to be, with North and South America still undiscovered and Japan much closer to Europe than it truly is.  Japan is the grossly oversized island on the left, while on the far right limb of the globe you can see the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) and West Africa.


This is but one example of a RE artifact produced before the existence of space flight, or the existence of NASA, or even the existence of the nation that eventually created NASA, or even knowledge of the continent from which it would eventually operate! 

I see FE proponents using the "space flight is fake" reasoning all over the forum as if it makes for a strong argument; it does the opposite.
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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2016, 07:51:30 AM »
This is more than physical warfare, it is spiritual too. It is putting us as just little ants, creating slaves to selves. If people knew what they don't tell us about Antarctica, there would be far more adventurists and the truth would be told. First, it is rich in resources and greedy, powerful men plotted how to keep it for themselves. There is a lot of land left to discover and with so much land mass, there should be thousands of researcher's studying there. At the rate they are going it will take generations to gain a small fraction of research: And it shouldn't be so darn difficult and expensive to go there. Only the Elite can even afford a trip there.

Second, after the moon hoax, they couldn't take the lie back, or didn't care, and began to steal our tax money. They kept the lie going. Why can't people just admit it? Why won't they? This deception goes so deep even the rabbit can't keep up. Why can't anyone, if they can afford the ticket, not visit space? What gives them the right to hoard and hide our surrounding's? Why am I not good enough to go to space but they are? It's BS and the biggest hoax since time began. Think about it. If we could really go to space, wouldn't public tour's, like, be "the thing?" Wouldn't Johny be telling all his friend's about the space tour he took during summer vacation? It makes no sense to me, only evil to not share.

I'm telling you, you need to come up out of that hole you have been living in and get some fresh air for a change.
Admitting you have been deceived is the first step to freedom.

I have to say, this is vague and false.
First of all going to Antarctica, round trip, would cost you around the figure of 10'000 USD, I spent that in one night in Vegas and it was the same cost of my Europe tour (including shopping and accommodation). Climbing mount Everest costs about 35'000 USD (Permit alone is 10k)

Second, space travel is not exclusive to the elite because they are elite. It's because space travel is expensive in it's nature.
This is the fallacy of Post hoc ergo propter hoc. AKA Questionable cause. If it's so easy to travel to space just like climbing mount Everest then cough up 35k see if it's enough, I know you didn't say that, but you do imply they aren't taking people to space tours, which they do, If you can't pay a huge sum of money, then space travel is not in your budget, just like Mount Everest or Antartica.

B.o.B's net worth is 1.7 billion, he can very well afford multiple trips to space. It's about 20-40 million USD (not adjusted to inflation), the Russian government does that, just contact their space agency and you will be shot in a Soyuz into space in no time. And if you don't like their government, then Virgin Galactic and Space X are American private corporations that will provide space travel in our life time, probably even cheaper, I bet we will see more corporations going into this business in the future.

Lastly, all you are doing in your post is preaching, and not providing factual information.

You are saying that Antarctica is full of riches and the men in suits are keeping it away from us.

Wait, I thought they aren't letting anyone go there, how do you know there are riches?

Wasn't Antarctica just ice walls?

I am having trouble with your preachy yet full of contradictory input.

Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2016, 08:44:50 AM »
The concept of a Round Earth was accepted by many educated people well before the time of Columbus.  But the suggestion that it is "the government" that is hiding the flatness of the earth requires either believing or ignoring certain things.  For one, it means EVERY government in every country on Earth for the past (e.g.) four hundred years; each new administration, new ruler, new parliamentary leadership, in every nation, for at least four centuries.  Some of those countries couldn't possibly have made a profit over falsifying the contours of the Earth, so why would they lie? Some of those governments are at war with each other and could certainly cause social collapse in the enemy country by spilling the beans about how their government is lying to them about the shape of the planet, but even that doesn't happen.

Then, the fact that governments are usually secondary in the announcements of facts to scientists.  Scientists in every country on Earth for the past four centuries have talked up the Round Earth, come up with new evidences of its roundness, and so forth, and thereafter the governments repeat the scientists' claims.  Certainly many (probably the vast majority) of those scientists couldn't possibly have made a profit over falsiflying the contours, etc., so why would they lie?  And consider their unanimity, even when a scientist knows that announcing a revolutionary discovery about the configuration of the planet would get him fame, fortune, and probably pretty lab assistants.

Plausibly, how long could a lie about the shape of the Earth continue into the 21st century?  Lots of aviation, lots of weather satellites, etc.  Really, jets can fly at such heights that they can fly over the East Coast and glimpse the Appalachian moutain range -- so they could fly over the Antarctic Circle and see well beyond the ice walls (and what they see is the other side of Antarctica as it is depicted on the usual Round Earth globes and maps).

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Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2016, 02:49:50 PM »
First, it is rich in resources and greedy, powerful men plotted how to keep it for themselves. There is a lot of land left to discover and with so much land mass
Under an FE model nobody can possibly extract resources from Antarctica, let alone get there in the first place.

Second, after the moon hoax
[citation needed]

Stopped reading right there buddy. You think the moon landings was faked? Then why can I bounce a laser off of a mirror that humans placed upon the moon and get a result back?

Ummmm...there are no laser's that can reach the moon...lol. Nice try though.

Like most flat earthers you just come out with totally unsubstantiated statements. There were radar measurements as early as 1957.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Lunar Distance, Radar
An experiment was conducted in 1957 at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory that used the echo from radar signals to determine the Earth-Moon distance. Radar pulses lasting 2 Ás were broadcast from a 50 ft diameter radio dish. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. From that measurement, the distance could be calculated. In practice, however, the signal-to-noise ratio was so low that an accurate measurement could not be reliably produced.

The experiment was repeated in 1958 at the Royal Radar Establishment, in England. Radar pulses lasting 5 Ás were transmitted with a peak power of 2 megawatts, at a repetition rate of 260 pulses per second. After the radio waves echoed off the surface of the Moon, the return signal was detected and the delay time measured. Multiple signals were added together to obtain a reliable signal by superimposing oscilloscope traces onto photographic film. From the measurements, the distance was calculated with an uncertainty of 1.25 km.

These initial experiments were intended to be proof-of-concept experiments and only lasted one day. Follow-on experiments lasting one month produced a mean value of 384402▒1.2 km, which was the most accurate measurement of the lunar distance at the time.
From Lunar distance (astronomy) Radar

And there were laser's that could reach the moon in 1962 - yes even before the lunar landings.
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Lunar Laser Ranging experiment
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The first successful tests were carried out in 1962 when a team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology succeeded in observing laser pulses reflected from moon's surface using a laser with a millisecond pulse length. Similar measurements were obtained later the same year by a Soviet team at the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory using a Q-switched ruby laser. Greater accuracy was achieved following the installation of a retroreflector array on July 21, 1969, by the crew of Apollo 11, and two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have also contributed to the experiment. Successful lunar laser range measurements to the retroreflectors were first reported by the 3.1 m telescope at Lick Observatory, Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratories Lunar Ranging Observatory in Arizona, the Pic du Midi Observatory in France, the Tokyo Astronomical Observatory, and McDonald Observatory in Texas.

You must really enjoy all these conspiracies you go in for.  :) Still, if it keeps you happy!  :)
And you believe everything  your told. Have a nice day!
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