Admission that they don't use satellite for internet

And don't listen to your mad mate Papa Legba say that these clouds are being seeded by aircraft

Poor Papa! He's still pining for Geoff and there isn't any Geoff around to respond!

I guess he's feeling guilty and holds himself to blame for all the Geoff's leaving! Can't say I blame them, and now Papa's going from bad to worse.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 26, 2016, 05:49:09 AM

Poor Papa! He's still pining for Geoff and there isn't any Geoff around to respond!

I guess he's feeling guilty and holds himself to blame for all the Geoff's leaving! Can't say I blame them, and now Papa's going from bad to worse.

When he calls you Geoff, call him markjo!

Quote from: rabinoz on May 25, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

And don't listen to your mad mate Papa Legba say that these clouds are being seeded by aircraft

Please find a post where I said they were being seeded by aircraft, Geoff.

I simply said that they had never been observed before 1885 & now they're everywhere.

Noctilucent clouds are visible to the naked eye, idiot.

I did do the research before posting, I found this...

GPS satellites use the exact same frequency that noctilucent clouds reflect!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_band

I didn't imagine that the other bands would be used as evidence and the L band ignored by the trolls,nice try at disinfo.

Also these clouds appear at 50 degrees latitude and higher in the North which covers a lot of cities.
Any city in the North of England and Scotland and the Netherlands just for a couple of examples.
Also 50 degrees South and lower.

Because GPS satellites don't exist.

These clouds are highly reflective according to Wikipedia and have a height,(vertical extent) of 1-2km
So any gps signals have to travel through 1-2km of highly reflective material.

Nothing in the 1ghz range will get through that!

Where does it say these clouds are rare?

The only reference I found to that was their increasing appearances over time.

Noctilucent clouds were first detected from space by an instrument on the OGO-6 satellite in 1972. The OGO-6 observations of a bright scattering layer over the polar caps were identified as poleward extensions of these clouds.[25] A later satellite, the Solar Mesosphere Explorer, mapped the distribution of the clouds between 1981 and 1986 with its ultraviolet spectrometer.[25] The clouds were detected with a lidar in 1995 at Utah State University, even when they were not visible to the naked eye.[26] The first physical confirmation that water ice is indeed the primary component of noctilucent clouds came from the HALOE instrument on the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite in 2001.[27]

In 2001, the Swedish Odin satellite performed spectral analyses on the clouds, and produced daily global maps that revealed large patterns in their distribution.[28]

On April 25, 2007, the AIM satellite (Aeronomy of Ice in the Mesosphere) was launched.[29] It is the first satellite dedicated to studying noctilucent clouds,[30] and made its first observations on May 25, 2007.[31] Images taken by the satellite show shapes in the clouds that are similar to shapes in tropospheric clouds, hinting at similarities in their dynamics.[1]

Noctilucent clouds have been detected to reflect signals, but not block them.

Also the clouds are very rare, so it is generally not a big problem.

Yeah and his post includes a picture of the sky in northern Europe that is just full of the things

2km of reflective clouds let enough signals through though! So it's not an issue!

Yeah and his post includes a picture of the sky in northern Europe that is just full of the things

2km of reflective clouds let enough signals through though! So it's not an issue!

He didn't provide any evidence that these clouds are 'very rare' so that must be bias

Yeah if you think about it there is nothing a buoy can't do that a satellite can.

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 26, 2016, 01:47:59 PM

Yeah if you think about it there is nothing a buoy can't do that a satellite can.

The problem I have with buoys as radar transmitters is whether solar arrays/batteries could provide the necessary power.

Whereas shipborne transmitters powered by onboard generators could easily cope with the power demands.

And there's plenty of ships in the sea...

Minor quibbles; that Doppler radar can do all that 'satellites' can do at a fraction of the price is obvious.

They did it in ww2 with the loran system ,with no satellites necessary, 70 yrs later they could have one as accurate as you want

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 26, 2016, 02:13:49 PM

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 26, 2016, 01:47:59 PM

Yeah if you think about it there is nothing a buoy can't do that a satellite can.

The problem I have with buoys as radar transmitters is whether solar arrays/batteries could provide the necessary power.

Whereas shipborne transmitters powered by onboard generators could easily cope with the power demands.

And there's plenty of ships in the sea...

Minor quibbles; that Doppler radar can do all that 'satellites' can do at a fraction of the price is obvious.

How do ships doing navigation systems know where they are to sub metre accuracy?

Easy, they use the satellite based GPS! 

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 26, 2016, 03:04:25 PM

They did it in ww2 with the loran system ,with no satellites necessary, 70 yrs later they could have one as accurate as you want

Exactly.

And that was with analogue valve tech.

You got digital microprocessors now, & I'm told that graphene tech's a big deal for radars too...

Dunno if the military are using it already but it's on the way for sure.