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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #630 on: December 03, 2015, 10:10:40 AM »
Mass flow will make no difference in your space of virtual vacuum.
Why don't you have a think on that for a bit.
I have and I stand by what I said.

It all depends on what you're take is on mass flow.
Let's put it simply.
If you allow compressed gas to exit a container into a virtual vacuum of space as you believe space is, then your mass flow will EXPAND into the virtual vacuum as you people believe it is and would be lost in a second because it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.

Arguing that the resistance comes from the neck inside of the nozzle and chamber to somehow push in the opposite direction is so pathetic that only brainwashed people and liars can abide by it.

The silly diagrams of a rocket chamber/nozzle showing arrows squeezing the sides and  pointing backwards and forwards with only one outlet for this mass flow to go towards, are a simple con job to make space rockets believable for the ever gullible public.

Your rocket in your space  would go nowhere. Only lies can make it appear that rockets work in your space.
It's all a massive lie and a good lie, if I don say so  myself. Good as in one hell of a clever con job that we as humans deserve due to the fact that  most swallowed it all and will not question it due to being weak.

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« Reply #631 on: December 03, 2015, 10:37:29 AM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate

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« Reply #632 on: December 03, 2015, 10:44:20 AM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

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« Reply #633 on: December 03, 2015, 10:51:37 AM »
For the last time. Free expansion does not apply in a rocket engine.

For gas to escape a container it must do work on the container in order to travel towards and out of the exit hole.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #634 on: December 03, 2015, 12:25:01 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

consider a  volume with two openings of different section. a flow in stationary condition is passing through the  volume. to have mass conservation inside the volume, which u need since the flow is stationary, u need to have equal mass flow gettin in and out the volume. mass flow is given as density*section area*velocity. if the  exiting section area is smaller than the one in which the flows enters to have equal mass flow u need a greater velocity at the exit.
so the fluid accelerates trough the volume, so it's changing it's momentum.

where do u see the intervention of external mass to the flow?



Btw actually thing are more complicated, especially in supersonic regime, but the basic principle is this one
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #635 on: December 03, 2015, 01:18:05 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.
The mass of the fluid is pushing against the mass of the rocket.  Where's the problem?
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« Reply #636 on: December 03, 2015, 02:23:04 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

consider a  volume with two openings of different section. a flow in stationary condition is passing through the  volume. to have mass conservation inside the volume, which u need since the flow is stationary, u need to have equal mass flow gettin in and out the volume. mass flow is given as density*section area*velocity. if the  exiting section area is smaller than the one in which the flows enters to have equal mass flow u need a greater velocity at the exit.
so the fluid accelerates trough the volume, so it's changing it's momentum.

where do u see the intervention of external mass to the flow?



Btw actually thing are more complicated, especially in supersonic regime, but the basic principle is this one
The more you think of gas as particles just randomly exiting containers and such, the less chance you will ever understand the reality of what's really happening inside those containers of compressed gas that are released upon opening of one part of that container.

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #637 on: December 03, 2015, 02:26:20 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.
The mass of the fluid is pushing against the mass of the rocket.  Where's the problem?
The problem is object A and B. Object A is the rocket and the exhaust. On earth object B is the atmosphere. In space there is no object B.
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« Reply #638 on: December 03, 2015, 02:30:11 PM »
The mass of the fluid is pushing against the mass of the rocket.  Where's the problem?
The problem is object A and B. Object A is the rocket and the exhaust.
Incorrect.  The rocket is object A and the exhaust is object B.
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« Reply #639 on: December 03, 2015, 02:34:03 PM »
The mass of the fluid is pushing against the mass of the rocket.  Where's the problem?
The problem is object A and B. Object A is the rocket and the exhaust.
Incorrect.  The rocket is object A and the exhaust is object B.
I think this is where you all are making your mistake in this discussion. You are wrong.
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« Reply #640 on: December 03, 2015, 02:36:00 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

consider a  volume with two openings of different section. a flow in stationary condition is passing through the  volume. to have mass conservation inside the volume, which u need since the flow is stationary, u need to have equal mass flow gettin in and out the volume. mass flow is given as density*section area*velocity. if the  exiting section area is smaller than the one in which the flows enters to have equal mass flow u need a greater velocity at the exit.
so the fluid accelerates trough the volume, so it's changing it's momentum.

where do u see the intervention of external mass to the flow?



Btw actually thing are more complicated, especially in supersonic regime, but the basic principle is this one
The more you think of gas as particles just randomly exiting containers and such, the less chance you will ever understand the reality of what's really happening inside those containers of compressed gas that are released upon opening of one part of that container.
i'm not talking of random particles. i'm talking about a constant flow passing through a defined volume, conditions u have in jet's and rocket's nozzles

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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #641 on: December 03, 2015, 02:47:57 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.
The mass of the fluid is pushing against the mass of the rocket.  Where's the problem?
The problem is, it's only pushing against the mass of the container holding it inside the rocket; for instance: in a sealed unit the gas is compressed and pushing equally on all walls of the container.

Once that container is opened, it's a simple case of "last man out stinks" for those compressed gas molecules.
If those gas molecules are heading out of that rocket container into atmosphere then a free expansion cannot be done.
A expansion can be done and the difference is huge.

The reason why it cannot freely expand in an atmosphere is because that atmosphere has it's own compressed molecules of matter that creates a barrier against the exiting "expanding" (not freely) gas and this is what moves the rocket.

Take that fictional space rocket into fictional space and the NEAR  vacuum we are told it is, then that rocket would be exiting it's gas  into this near zero vacuum, meaning it actually would be able to freely expand as such. Not quite perfect but close enough as to be able to expend all of that  massively expanded gas to that supposed near vacuum, rendering it a pointless waste of time.

Let's look at it very simply.

Imagine a floating cardboard box in space, as we are told space is.
Imagine that cardboard box having a person in that is cramped inside with both ends closed exactly the same.
The person inside has to now try and move that box in one direction so that the person kicks their feet to push the box lid open but in order to do so, he has to use his head as LEVERAGE in order to exert EQUAL pressure on both ends of that box. The result would be both ends open up, leaving the person stretched out with head and feet equally poking out of the box.

The only work done is the work of cancelling out the effort to open the box. The box stays put.

But a rocket in space only exits it's fuel from one end against the barrier inside, I hear you say.
Ok, let's look at that as well.

Picture the cardboard box, only this time one end is sealed shut and can't be opened and the other end is open.
Inside that box is the same person crouched up and now that person needs to push that box one way.

The person pushes his feet out of the box but realises that there's no leverage to push against. No resistance at all as it's feet into a vacuum.
That means he can't use his head to push the box the other way because to do this he would need that foot leverage.
End result means his feet stick out and he's stretched out with the box and him staying put.

Ok so what about if he grips the sides of that box with his arms whilst he pushes his feet out?
All he could do is to bulge the box at the sides, EQUALLY with no end product except wasted work of his own energy cancelling itself out on either side of his body against any side of that box.

Rockets do not work  in space, can't anyone see why?

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« Reply #642 on: December 03, 2015, 02:52:02 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

consider a  volume with two openings of different section. a flow in stationary condition is passing through the  volume. to have mass conservation inside the volume, which u need since the flow is stationary, u need to have equal mass flow gettin in and out the volume. mass flow is given as density*section area*velocity. if the  exiting section area is smaller than the one in which the flows enters to have equal mass flow u need a greater velocity at the exit.
so the fluid accelerates trough the volume, so it's changing it's momentum.

where do u see the intervention of external mass to the flow?



Btw actually thing are more complicated, especially in supersonic regime, but the basic principle is this one
The more you think of gas as particles just randomly exiting containers and such, the less chance you will ever understand the reality of what's really happening inside those containers of compressed gas that are released upon opening of one part of that container.
i'm not talking of random particles. i'm talking about a constant flow passing through a defined volume, conditions u have in jet's and rocket's nozzles
Well one of you bozo's mentioned particles exiting a chamber randomly. It might have been mainframes or some other like that.
Talking about particles just randomly bouncing around and by LUCK they find their way out.

I actually done a little wee when I read it. It might have been in the thread that some weak mod locked.

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« Reply #643 on: December 03, 2015, 02:58:19 PM »
what if the astronaut pushes with his feet against the close end of the box while his head is pointend toward the opened part of the container?

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« Reply #644 on: December 03, 2015, 03:02:18 PM »
what if the astronaut pushes with his feet against the close end of the box while his head is pointend toward the opened part of the container?
Seriously have a think about what you're saying.

Feet pushing or head pushing; the same result  stands. No advancement in work done, except simply cancelling each other out.

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« Reply #645 on: December 03, 2015, 03:11:45 PM »
« Last Edit: December 03, 2015, 03:24:53 PM by sokarul »
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« Reply #646 on: December 03, 2015, 03:18:22 PM »
it cannot hit any resistance as it exits the rocket nozzle.
This is your fundamental errors. U don't resistance to act on. Propulsion system simply changes the momentum of a mass of fluid and the ship "receives" the same change of momentum.

And this is not only true for rockets but for all propulsion system involving a fluid. Jet engines, propeller engine, boat engine and water jets all work on this principle. They just need a mass to accelerate
They need to push against mass to accelerate. No errors on my part, just lies on the part you adhere to and parrot.

consider a  volume with two openings of different section. a flow in stationary condition is passing through the  volume. to have mass conservation inside the volume, which u need since the flow is stationary, u need to have equal mass flow gettin in and out the volume. mass flow is given as density*section area*velocity. if the  exiting section area is smaller than the one in which the flows enters to have equal mass flow u need a greater velocity at the exit.
so the fluid accelerates trough the volume, so it's changing it's momentum.
where do u see the intervention of external mass to the flow?
Btw actually thing are more complicated, especially in supersonic regime, but the basic principle is this one
The more you think of gas as particles just randomly exiting containers and such, the less chance you will ever understand the reality of what's really happening inside those containers of compressed gas that are released upon opening of one part of that container.

At the risk of being ridiculed by the eminent rocket engineers sceptomaniac, papa legba and no doubt many others high up in this profession.  I, of course, am not such an engineer.  I realise that this treatment is horribly simplistic, naive and does not lead to the accurate static thrust equations, but on with the motley!

A Saturn F-1 rocket engine burns 2,578 kg of fuel + oxidiser PER SECOND. That is emitted from the engine nozzle at about 2,600 m/s.
Do a few sums and you will find that the momentum of ONE SECONDS exhaust is around 6.83 MNs. Since force is rate of change of momentum, that is equivalent to a force of 6.83 MN or about 696,000 kg. This is about right for the F-1 engine, and does NOT depend on the atmosphere one little bit (only conservation of momentum - pretty basic!)  In fact if you do a more exact analysis the total static thrust is HIGHER for a LOWER ambient pressure!

OK, you say the rocket cannot push on NOTHING, I guess you are right, BUT it is pushing on a MASSIVE amount (2,578 kg/sec) of burnt fuel coming out the back REAL FAST (2,600 m/s). Right at the exit of the rocket there is no longer a vacuum - the gas cannot escape at infinite speed! It is leaving at around 2,600 m/s (randomised by thermal velocities).  So you the rocket temporarily destroys the vacuum immediately behind the rocket nozzle - after that - as a certain rocket scientist said "WHO CARES?" - mind you a lot of people in London and Antwerp cared a lot!
A Saturn F-1 is of course not designed for optimum performance in a vacuum, but that is not the slightest reason for it NOT working.

Of course for all the pedants among you know that even outer space is NOT a vacuum.  There is probably nowhere with less than 1 hydrogen atom/m^3 and above 50 mile or so altitude the pressure is low enough to not have any further effect on thrust.

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« Reply #647 on: December 03, 2015, 03:20:46 PM »
Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic. Do you think that a gas is composed of particles boing around in all directions?
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« Reply #648 on: December 03, 2015, 03:28:30 PM »
Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic. Do you think that a gas is composed of particles boing around in all directions?
No I don't. Not loosely like you think.
Gas particles are compressed and move about under compression and expansion due to agitation/friction. They are all connected. There are no unattached particles.

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« Reply #649 on: December 03, 2015, 03:32:24 PM »

A Saturn F-1 rocket engine burns 2,578 kg of fuel + oxidiser PER SECOND. That is emitted from the engine nozzle at about 2,600 m/s.
Do a few sums and you will find that the momentum of ONE SECONDS exhaust is around 6.83 MNs. Since force is rate of change of momentum, that is equivalent to a force of 6.83 MN or about 696,000 kg. This is about right for the F-1 engine, and does NOT depend on the atmosphere one little bit (only conservation of momentum - pretty basic!)  In fact if you do a more exact analysis the total static thrust is HIGHER for a LOWER ambient pressure!

OK, you say the rocket cannot push on NOTHING, I guess you are right, BUT it is pushing on a MASSIVE amount (2,578 kg/sec) of burnt fuel coming out the back REAL FAST (2,600 m/s). Right at the exit of the rocket there is no longer a vacuum - the gas cannot escape at infinite speed! It is leaving at around 2,600 m/s (randomised by thermal velocities).  So you the rocket temporarily destroys the vacuum immediately behind the rocket nozzle - after that - as a certain rocket scientist said "WHO CARES?" - mind you a lot of people in London and Antwerp cared a lot!
A Saturn F-1 is of course not designed for optimum performance in a vacuum, but that is not the slightest reason for it NOT working.

Of course for all the pedants among you know that even outer space is NOT a vacuum.  There is probably nowhere with less than 1 hydrogen atom/m^3 and above 50 mile or so altitude the pressure is low enough to not have any further effect on thrust.
Trying to put Gulliver inside a Gulliver sized cardboard box is only going to create the exact same circumstances.
You wasted a lot of energy typing that.

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« Reply #650 on: December 03, 2015, 03:36:51 PM »
what if the astronaut pushes with his feet against the close end of the box while his head is pointend toward the opened part of the container?
Seriously have a think about what you're saying.

Feet pushing or head pushing; the same result  stands. No advancement in work done, except simply cancelling each other out.
i would say completly different results.
feet moving toward the close end all another story...
the container has a mass so an inertia and so has the astronauts.
these means that stretching his legs, the center of mass of the container and the one of the astronaut are moving, so they're accelerating. this acceleration is given by an external force(F=m*a) and for the container this force is the reaction with the feet while for the astronaut is the reaction with the container.

astronaut and the container will separate going in opposite direction.

since u're are soo attached to "it's only one body"  here is a version that explains even under those hypotesis.
considering container as one single body composed of 2 elements.
conservation of momentum states that since the body is still it's momentum should remain zero without external force applied.
motion of the body is defined through the motion of it's center of mass
momentum =0 so no motion so center of mass always in the same position.

practical example, container and astronaut have the same mass. if u take them apart moving the astronaut and the container in the same manner but in opposite direction is esay to see that the center of mass of the body(which is composed by the mass of the container and the astronaut) is always in the same position. so even if the astronaut and the container are now apart the total momentum of your body is still equal zero.

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« Reply #651 on: December 03, 2015, 03:57:27 PM »
what if the astronaut pushes with his feet against the close end of the box while his head is pointend toward the opened part of the container?
Seriously have a think about what you're saying.

Feet pushing or head pushing; the same result  stands. No advancement in work done, except simply cancelling each other out.
i would say completly different results.
feet moving toward the close end all another story...
the container has a mass so an inertia and so has the astronauts.
these means that stretching his legs, the center of mass of the container and the one of the astronaut are moving, so they're accelerating. this acceleration is given by an external force(F=m*a) and for the container this force is the reaction with the feet while for the astronaut is the reaction with the container.

astronaut and the container will separate going in opposite direction.

since u're are soo attached to "it's only one body"  here is a version that explains even under those hypotesis.
considering container as one single body composed of 2 elements.
conservation of momentum states that since the body is still it's momentum should remain zero without external force applied.
motion of the body is defined through the motion of it's center of mass
momentum =0 so no motion so center of mass always in the same position.

practical example, container and astronaut have the same mass. if u take them apart moving the astronaut and the container in the same manner but in opposite direction is esay to see that the center of mass of the body(which is composed by the mass of the container and the astronaut) is always in the same position. so even if the astronaut and the container are now apart the total momentum of your body is still equal zero.
If you want to use this mass in space stuff then you carry on. All it does is deprives you of your rational thought on this stuff.
The choice is entirely yours and I am not really bothered if you refuse to look at the reality or the simplicity of what's there in front of you.

Let's deal with something very simple and without fuss.


To enable you to move something where you are right now. Let's say I ask you to push your cup along the table. Do you need to use any leverage to push that cup or will your hand and arm do it without the aid of anything else?

For instance: would you need to push your foot into the floor, even lightly?

I'm assuming you will play the realistic stance and accept that you need leverage, however small, to move that cup.

Now imagine you are on a rope hanging from the ceiling and you need top push that cup.
This is where your body mass on that rope gives you the leverage to push that cup...but imagine if you had to push that cup by floating in your space. You have nothing to lever off, at all.

Using mass in space is using gravity and yet in your space there is none or micro gravity as the bullshit states.
It's really simply to just say, "ahhh but this object has more mass in space." It's poppy cock but that's the way it is with science bullshit and naturally you and many other's will blindly follow it.

Use your brain or don't. It makes no difference to me.


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« Reply #652 on: December 03, 2015, 04:12:33 PM »


Using mass in space is using gravity and yet in your space there is none or micro gravity as the bullshit states.

nope, using mass in space means using the inertia of a body with mass. which in practical is its tendency to resist a change in its velocity.

if u wanna move a cup in complete vacuum u still need a force cause of it's inertia.

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« Reply #653 on: December 03, 2015, 04:39:31 PM »


Using mass in space is using gravity and yet in your space there is none or micro gravity as the bullshit states.

nope, using mass in space means using the inertia of a body with mass. which in practical is its tendency to resist a change in its velocity.

if u wanna move a cup in complete vacuum u still need a force cause of it's inertia.
And to use that force requires leverage in order to accomplish it. Where do you get that from in your space?

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« Reply #654 on: December 03, 2015, 04:49:41 PM »
my own body's inertia. if inertia causes the cup to have a certain "resistence" the same can be applied to my body.
my body will "resist" it being pushed away giving me what u call "leverage" in order to transmitt a force to the cup

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« Reply #655 on: December 03, 2015, 05:12:00 PM »


Using mass in space is using gravity and yet in your space there is none or micro gravity as the bullshit states.

nope, using mass in space means using the inertia of a body with mass. which in practical is its tendency to resist a change in its velocity.

if u wanna move a cup in complete vacuum u still need a force cause of it's inertia.
And to use that force requires leverage in order to accomplish it. Where do you get that from in your space?
Get your terms right.
Micro gravity and no gravity are completely different. No gravity is of course no gravity and micro gravity is the perceived weightlessness from falling.
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« Reply #656 on: December 03, 2015, 07:59:19 PM »
Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic. Do you think that a gas is composed of particles boing around in all directions?
Yes, when you say "Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic.", you really hit the nail on the head!  You got this response "Gas particles are compressed and move about under compression and expansion due to agitation/friction. They are all connected. There are no unattached particles."

That is is the nub of the whole discussion (argument).  We are discussing things on the basis of the kinetic theory of gases:
"The kinetic theory describes a gas as a large number of submicroscopic particles (atoms or molecules), all of which are in constant, random motion. The rapidly moving particles constantly collide with each other and with the walls of the container. Kinetic theory explains macroscopic properties of gases, such as pressure, temperature, viscosity, thermal conductivity, and volume, ......." all that stuff.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_theory I know it's only Wikipedia, not a learned publication!
You could get a summary in J. Clerk Maxwell on the History of the Kinetic Theory of Gases, 1871 http://www.jstor.org/stable/228538?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Sceptimatic's gas molecules seem to be infinitely expandable squishy balls, each of which can expand to fill the available space like soap suds!  This seems to mean that in "outer space" each hydrogen atom (yes, they are disassociated) occupies about one cubic metre!

I think Sceptimatic has finally won.  Who can argue with a theory like and keep a straight face - lucky my Webcam is locked out!
I suppose he has numerous peer reviewed papers (I would suggest Miles Mathis as a possible referee - seems just up his "π = 4" alley) describing how all the observed gas properties are derived from this model.  Probably worthy of a Nobel Prize!

Just as well rockets have not yet heard of that theory!  Till they do, I guess they'll just go on working in space.

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« Reply #657 on: December 03, 2015, 11:25:31 PM »
Hopefully this time my explanation gets through...

Imagine we had an electric piston in space, with infinite energy from solar power. Now, do you agree that if we extend the piston, the base and the piston rod will both move in opposite directions?
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #658 on: December 04, 2015, 12:06:04 AM »
Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic. Do you think that a gas is composed of particles boing around in all directions?
No I don't. Not loosely like you think.
Gas particles are compressed and move about under compression and expansion due to agitation/friction. They are all connected. There are no unattached particles.

So you don't accept the scientifically proven composition of matter and how it behaves. No wonder you don't think rockets work.
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Re: People on skateboards.
« Reply #659 on: December 04, 2015, 12:07:34 AM »
Let's get to the core of this Sceptimatic. Do you think that a gas is composed of particles boing around in all directions?
No I don't. Not loosely like you think.
Gas particles are compressed and move about under compression and expansion due to agitation/friction. They are all connected. There are no unattached particles.

So then, what is the difference between a gas and a liquid?
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