ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2015, 12:41:14 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

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rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2015, 12:48:43 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

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The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2015, 12:52:57 PM »
This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

The Sun tends to move more or less in the same way as the stars.  The Sun is in fact visible on the poles but only when it's not winter.  As you (hopefully) know, the Northern and Southern Hemispheres have opposite seasons.  On both piles the Sun doesn't show it's self for months in the winter and during the Summer something happens called the midnight Sun where the Sun travels in circles around you but never sets for a few months.  This happens on both poles including Antarctica which is impossible on a round Earth.  Either God is trying to trick us into thinking that Earth is round or Earth is actually round.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2015, 01:03:51 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

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The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2015, 01:04:38 PM »
This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

The Sun tends to move more or less in the same way as the stars.  The Sun is in fact visible on the poles but only when it's not winter.  As you (hopefully) know, the Northern and Southern Hemispheres have opposite seasons.  On both piles the Sun doesn't show it's self for months in the winter and during the Summer something happens called the midnight Sun where the Sun travels in circles around you but never sets for a few months.  This happens on both poles including Antarctica which is impossible on a round Earth.  Either God is trying to trick us into thinking that Earth is round or Earth is actually round.

*Impossible on a flat earth.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2015, 01:04:51 PM »
This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

The Sun tends to move more or less in the same way as the stars.  The Sun is in fact visible on the poles but only when it's not winter.  As you (hopefully) know, the Northern and Southern Hemispheres have opposite seasons.  On both piles the Sun doesn't show it's self for months in the winter and during the Summer something happens called the midnight Sun where the Sun travels in circles around you but never sets for a few months.  This happens on both poles including Antarctica which is impossible on a round Earth.  Either God is trying to trick us into thinking that Earth is round or Earth is actually round.
It is demons who deceive, not God. God allows them to in order to test us.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2015, 01:11:00 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

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The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

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You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!

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« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2015, 01:14:02 PM »
It is demons who deceive, not God. God allows them to in order to test us.

Then why does the Sun move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth and makes perfect sense on a round Earth?

God made the Sun, so does God lie or is the Earth round?  One of those must be true.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2015, 01:17:37 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

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You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2015, 02:12:13 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

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You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2015, 03:04:07 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

Quote
You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2015, 04:12:48 PM »
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.

For something to be a fact it has to be backed up by observable evidence.  If that's not the case then it's an opinion.
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« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2015, 04:19:52 PM »
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.

For something to be a fact it has to be backed up by observable evidence.  If that's not the case then it's an opinion.

This was what I gave. We observe that the Sun is always visible at some point on Earth. Therefore it does not cross over the edge, therefore the edge would be somewhere colder.
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #103 on: September 26, 2015, 01:12:06 AM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

Quote
You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #104 on: September 26, 2015, 02:46:40 AM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

Quote
You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.

You claim it does not follow, and offer no justification. The Sun does not cross the edge. What then would provide heat?
You lie again. I have explained that to you: a pale mimicry alone is visible sometimes at the pole, and it does not follow God's path or time.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2015, 08:24:13 AM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

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rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

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The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

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You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.

You claim it does not follow, and offer no justification. The Sun does not cross the edge. What then would provide heat?
You lie again. I have explained that to you: a pale mimicry alone is visible sometimes at the pole, and it does not follow God's path or time.

What is it I claim is not following what?

I know the sun does not cross the edge, I don't even believe there is an edge to begin with. Stop lying about my claims, I can just go back and re-read my posts as anyone can.

No, the sun is still pretty strong at the poles. Do you really think demons could mimic the bright and warm light of god? Also, if you travel to the south pole during the day by boat you can follow the sun and see that it is the same during the whole travel. Do you really think demons would be able to block out gods light and replace it with their own?
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2015, 08:33:45 AM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

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You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.

You claim it does not follow, and offer no justification. The Sun does not cross the edge. What then would provide heat?
You lie again. I have explained that to you: a pale mimicry alone is visible sometimes at the pole, and it does not follow God's path or time.

What is it I claim is not following what?

I know the sun does not cross the edge, I don't even believe there is an edge to begin with. Stop lying about my claims, I can just go back and re-read my posts as anyone can.

No, the sun is still pretty strong at the poles. Do you really think demons could mimic the bright and warm light of god? Also, if you travel to the south pole during the day by boat you can follow the sun and see that it is the same during the whole travel. Do you really think demons would be able to block out gods light and replace it with their own?

If you had indeed gone back and read your posts, you would see you were insisting that there was no logical bases for the edge of the world to be cold, acknowledging a flat world as specified by the Bible. The Sun would not cross the edge of a flat world because it is always visible somewhere on the world. You now claim (with no justification) that it does not follow that the edge would be cold, despite the fact it would clearly, by definition, receive much less sunlight if any.
Are you simply wasting time? You did this exact thing when we first began conversing, asking the exact same question multiple times and repeatedly refusing to explain why my answer was not enough. You claim I lie when everything I say is simple truth, and you insult rather than offer any explanation whatsoever for your claims.

No, demons cannot mimic God's light. This is why their attempt is so poor. It is cold, distant, and does not follow His cycle.
It is far easier to deceive a human than pretend Godhood. It would not be hard to trick the incredibly slight handful who would travel by a certain means, at a certain time of day, at a very limited time of year, and who would be staring at the sky constantly despite the fact we are taught from birth not to look at God's light directly.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2015, 11:58:28 AM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

Quote
You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.

You claim it does not follow, and offer no justification. The Sun does not cross the edge. What then would provide heat?
You lie again. I have explained that to you: a pale mimicry alone is visible sometimes at the pole, and it does not follow God's path or time.

What is it I claim is not following what?

I know the sun does not cross the edge, I don't even believe there is an edge to begin with. Stop lying about my claims, I can just go back and re-read my posts as anyone can.

No, the sun is still pretty strong at the poles. Do you really think demons could mimic the bright and warm light of god? Also, if you travel to the south pole during the day by boat you can follow the sun and see that it is the same during the whole travel. Do you really think demons would be able to block out gods light and replace it with their own?

If you had indeed gone back and read your posts, you would see you were insisting that there was no logical bases for the edge of the world to be cold, acknowledging a flat world as specified by the Bible. The Sun would not cross the edge of a flat world because it is always visible somewhere on the world. You now claim (with no justification) that it does not follow that the edge would be cold, despite the fact it would clearly, by definition, receive much less sunlight if any.
Are you simply wasting time? You did this exact thing when we first began conversing, asking the exact same question multiple times and repeatedly refusing to explain why my answer was not enough. You claim I lie when everything I say is simple truth, and you insult rather than offer any explanation whatsoever for your claims.

No, demons cannot mimic God's light. This is why their attempt is so poor. It is cold, distant, and does not follow His cycle.
It is far easier to deceive a human than pretend Godhood. It would not be hard to trick the incredibly slight handful who would travel by a certain means, at a certain time of day, at a very limited time of year, and who would be staring at the sky constantly despite the fact we are taught from birth not to look at God's light directly.

Why would the edge need to be cold? Why can't the sun be close to it? And the poles do receive plenty of sunlight, not scarce. You are just lying. And why are you completely ignoring my logical counterargument? And why is the sun at the poles bright and strong when demons light is cold. And why does it follow the cycle when it shouldn't?

You are full of contradictions. It is so obvious you are lying I'll stop responding to you soon.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #108 on: September 26, 2015, 01:41:12 PM »
Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote
rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.

This is not what was said. They referred specifically to the Southern Stars.
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

I never said he said that. I just said that is what the sun does.

Quote
The Sun is not visible at the poles.

You said yourself that the sun shines at the poles. You just proved yourself to be a liar.

You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
God's light is visible at the pole: this does not mean the Sun is. If you turn a light on in your room, and walk outside, you may see the light even if you do not see the bulb. The edge of the world is closest to Hell, where God has withdrawn his presence and cast them into darkness.

But the sun is definitely visible at the poles, and you said that the sun is gods light. If the sun is not visible then gods light is not. You can see the light from the room a lightbulb you can't see is illuminating, but the poles themselves are illuminated so the sun must be visible; it's bright as day. Also there is a big light in the sky which looks just like the sun.

Quote
You have accused me of dishonesty many times. Every single time it has been shown that you are the one bearing false witness.
Nope, not once have you even tried to counter me.

A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat.

You lie once more. You pretended there was no movement to discourage tourism to Antarctica, and there was. You claimed I had not answered your question, and I had. You claimed my justification was personal opinion, and it was not: you swiftly ignored all of this once it was pointed out to you.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

You are lying. There are no movements to stop tourism, only movements to decrease impact on the exosystems from tourism. Also, you did not answer my questions directly. And you basing your claims on "it's logical" does not make it backed up, it's still only your opinion.

So I guess you just sinned yourself. Sure you are no demon?


Movements to decrease impact how? It discourages tourism.
You ask many things. I answer many directly, which indirectly contain the answers to your others: far easier than repeating myself. I am assuming you will be honest.
Logical deductions for simple facts are not an opinion.
Do not lie.

No, it does not discourage tourism. If you think so you didn't even read through these articles yourself.
It was earlier that you didn't answer directly to my questions. If you want to I can dig it up.
"Logical deductions"? You assumed that the edge has to be somewhere cold because the sun never leaves earth? Sorry, but these do not connect. And did you forget my logical deduction which was based on part of your "logical deduction" (sun never leaves earth), where the sun during a south pole summer appears to make laps around the observer, which means that the earth is everywhere around the observer, and therefore the south pole? This is based entirely on observations as well.

I am not lying. You are, and you're ignorant.

You claim it does not follow, and offer no justification. The Sun does not cross the edge. What then would provide heat?
You lie again. I have explained that to you: a pale mimicry alone is visible sometimes at the pole, and it does not follow God's path or time.

What is it I claim is not following what?

I know the sun does not cross the edge, I don't even believe there is an edge to begin with. Stop lying about my claims, I can just go back and re-read my posts as anyone can.

No, the sun is still pretty strong at the poles. Do you really think demons could mimic the bright and warm light of god? Also, if you travel to the south pole during the day by boat you can follow the sun and see that it is the same during the whole travel. Do you really think demons would be able to block out gods light and replace it with their own?

If you had indeed gone back and read your posts, you would see you were insisting that there was no logical bases for the edge of the world to be cold, acknowledging a flat world as specified by the Bible. The Sun would not cross the edge of a flat world because it is always visible somewhere on the world. You now claim (with no justification) that it does not follow that the edge would be cold, despite the fact it would clearly, by definition, receive much less sunlight if any.
Are you simply wasting time? You did this exact thing when we first began conversing, asking the exact same question multiple times and repeatedly refusing to explain why my answer was not enough. You claim I lie when everything I say is simple truth, and you insult rather than offer any explanation whatsoever for your claims.

No, demons cannot mimic God's light. This is why their attempt is so poor. It is cold, distant, and does not follow His cycle.
It is far easier to deceive a human than pretend Godhood. It would not be hard to trick the incredibly slight handful who would travel by a certain means, at a certain time of day, at a very limited time of year, and who would be staring at the sky constantly despite the fact we are taught from birth not to look at God's light directly.

Why would the edge need to be cold? Why can't the sun be close to it? And the poles do receive plenty of sunlight, not scarce. You are just lying. And why are you completely ignoring my logical counterargument? And why is the sun at the poles bright and strong when demons light is cold. And why does it follow the cycle when it shouldn't?

You are full of contradictions. It is so obvious you are lying I'll stop responding to you soon.

You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2015, 02:08:17 PM »
You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.

When I take out an ice cube during winter here in sweden it doesn't melt under the sun. So no, ice does not always melt under the sun. Are you saying that the sun during winter in sweden is a demonic mimic that looks and behaves exactly as the normal sun?

And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?

Also, since you keep ignoring it, you can see the sun revolving around you at the south pole. So the earth has to be all around you.

And this is anyways no evidence that the edge is at the south pole, just a deduction. Please provide EVIDENCE.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #110 on: September 26, 2015, 02:43:01 PM »
You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.

When I take out an ice cube during winter here in sweden it doesn't melt under the sun. So no, ice does not always melt under the sun. Are you saying that the sun during winter in sweden is a demonic mimic that looks and behaves exactly as the normal sun?

And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?

Also, since you keep ignoring it, you can see the sun revolving around you at the south pole. So the earth has to be all around you.

And this is anyways no evidence that the edge is at the south pole, just a deduction. Please provide EVIDENCE.

A deduction from evidence is a valid conclusion. Deduction from evidence is the only possible way to know anything. Why is it not acceptable just because you disagree with the premise?
I am not ignoring your claim. In case you haven't noticed, your claim is the exact topic that we are discussing. Thank you for making it clear that your exclusive interest here is in wasting time. You began by demanding I repeat myself, and now you pretend I am ignoring the question that we are openly discussing: the idea of the Sun being visible at a pole.
Goodbye. If someone honest would like to discuss this, I will be very happy to, but it is impossible to teach one who has hardened his heart, and persists in very clear dishonesty and timewasting.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #111 on: September 26, 2015, 02:55:36 PM »
You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.

When I take out an ice cube during winter here in sweden it doesn't melt under the sun. So no, ice does not always melt under the sun. Are you saying that the sun during winter in sweden is a demonic mimic that looks and behaves exactly as the normal sun?

And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?

Also, since you keep ignoring it, you can see the sun revolving around you at the south pole. So the earth has to be all around you.

And this is anyways no evidence that the edge is at the south pole, just a deduction. Please provide EVIDENCE.

A deduction from evidence is a valid conclusion. Deduction from evidence is the only possible way to know anything. Why is it not acceptable just because you disagree with the premise?
I am not ignoring your claim. In case you haven't noticed, your claim is the exact topic that we are discussing. Thank you for making it clear that your exclusive interest here is in wasting time. You began by demanding I repeat myself, and now you pretend I am ignoring the question that we are openly discussing: the idea of the Sun being visible at a pole.
Goodbye. If someone honest would like to discuss this, I will be very happy to, but it is impossible to teach one who has hardened his heart, and persists in very clear dishonesty and timewasting.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Wait, you are now sayin that the sun is not visible at all at the poles? You said way back that it was. Theres 20-40 thousand vitnesses per year.

You didn't deduct from evidence but from opinions. I am asking for evidence, not opinions.
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« Reply #112 on: September 26, 2015, 02:59:22 PM »
You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.

When I take out an ice cube during winter here in sweden it doesn't melt under the sun. So no, ice does not always melt under the sun. Are you saying that the sun during winter in sweden is a demonic mimic that looks and behaves exactly as the normal sun?

And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?

Also, since you keep ignoring it, you can see the sun revolving around you at the south pole. So the earth has to be all around you.

And this is anyways no evidence that the edge is at the south pole, just a deduction. Please provide EVIDENCE.

A deduction from evidence is a valid conclusion. Deduction from evidence is the only possible way to know anything. Why is it not acceptable just because you disagree with the premise?
I am not ignoring your claim. In case you haven't noticed, your claim is the exact topic that we are discussing. Thank you for making it clear that your exclusive interest here is in wasting time. You began by demanding I repeat myself, and now you pretend I am ignoring the question that we are openly discussing: the idea of the Sun being visible at a pole.
Goodbye. If someone honest would like to discuss this, I will be very happy to, but it is impossible to teach one who has hardened his heart, and persists in very clear dishonesty and timewasting.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Wait, you are now sayin that the sun is not visible at all at the poles? You said way back that it was. Theres 20-40 thousand vitnesses per year.

You didn't deduct from evidence but from opinions. I am asking for evidence, not opinions.

"A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat."
" The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold."

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2015, 02:25:10 AM »
You are offering no counterargument beyond the lie that the edge would not be cold. The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold.
Even by your own admission the poles do not receive sunlight for half the year, and what they do receive is typically constant: little of a day's cycle. It is not bright and strong. In sunlight, ice melts. If you have ever seen snow, you will know this.
You call me a liar and then make such bold claims. I am not full of contradictions, you simly ignore everything I say. You have been informed of all of this before now.

When I take out an ice cube during winter here in sweden it doesn't melt under the sun. So no, ice does not always melt under the sun. Are you saying that the sun during winter in sweden is a demonic mimic that looks and behaves exactly as the normal sun?

And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?

Also, since you keep ignoring it, you can see the sun revolving around you at the south pole. So the earth has to be all around you.

And this is anyways no evidence that the edge is at the south pole, just a deduction. Please provide EVIDENCE.

A deduction from evidence is a valid conclusion. Deduction from evidence is the only possible way to know anything. Why is it not acceptable just because you disagree with the premise?
I am not ignoring your claim. In case you haven't noticed, your claim is the exact topic that we are discussing. Thank you for making it clear that your exclusive interest here is in wasting time. You began by demanding I repeat myself, and now you pretend I am ignoring the question that we are openly discussing: the idea of the Sun being visible at a pole.
Goodbye. If someone honest would like to discuss this, I will be very happy to, but it is impossible to teach one who has hardened his heart, and persists in very clear dishonesty and timewasting.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Wait, you are now sayin that the sun is not visible at all at the poles? You said way back that it was. Theres 20-40 thousand vitnesses per year.

You didn't deduct from evidence but from opinions. I am asking for evidence, not opinions.

"A pale imitation of the Sun is visible at the poles. It does not follow God's path, and does not shine with the same brightness or heat."
" The Sun is visible from all sides at every point, it is not near the edge. This cannot be argued against because it is a fact. The edge would be cold."

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

"And the sun at the poles is bright and strong, what is it that you don't get?"

Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely

So if gods barest but visible light was visible, as well as the mimic from the demons, we would see two suns at the poles. We don't. We only see one, and since god would not forget about the poles it has to be gods.



Yeah, that really looks "cold" and "distant" and "pale" and "not the same brightness".



Ohh wait, it looks just like it does in Sweden. So I guess Sweden is at the edge too? Sweden is the gates to hell then it seems.



Oh, and Greece must also be at the edge, the gates of hell.

Hmm, the gates of hell seems to be just about everywhere...
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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #114 on: September 27, 2015, 06:28:15 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #115 on: September 27, 2015, 06:48:08 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The same "pale imitation" can be seen in sweden and in greece. Does that mean that Sweden and greece also are at the edge?
Math is the language of the universe.

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2015, 07:04:48 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The same "pale imitation" can be seen in sweden and in greece. Does that mean that Sweden and greece also are at the edge?
No, it is not the same pale imitation. Sweden and Greece are far, far warmer, for the easiest example. I have been to Greece. Both are typically well above freezing.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2015, 07:32:49 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The same "pale imitation" can be seen in sweden and in greece. Does that mean that Sweden and greece also are at the edge?
No, it is not the same pale imitation. Sweden and Greece are far, far warmer, for the easiest example. I have been to Greece. Both are typically well above freezing.

My point was about the sun (or "Gods light", as you like to call it), not the climate.
If you cared to watch the images, you'd see that the sun is as bright and looks the same in each of those pictures. Either it's all gods light or it's all demons. Which is it?
Math is the language of the universe.

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« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2015, 08:13:16 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The same "pale imitation" can be seen in sweden and in greece. Does that mean that Sweden and greece also are at the edge?
No, it is not the same pale imitation. Sweden and Greece are far, far warmer, for the easiest example. I have been to Greece. Both are typically well above freezing.

My point was about the sun (or "Gods light", as you like to call it), not the climate.
If you cared to watch the images, you'd see that the sun is as bright and looks the same in each of those pictures. Either it's all gods light or it's all demons. Which is it?

The Sun produces heat. Why are you ignoring this? I'm not concerned with climate, I'm concerned with what the Sun causes. I can take a photo of the Sun, this does not make it God's light. An image is a mere fraction of what the Sun is: light is the slightest part of what it provides. The fact the light visible at the poles does not produce the same heat as God's light means it is not an accurate imitation.
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

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Re: ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH
« Reply #119 on: September 27, 2015, 08:42:29 AM »
The Sun at the poles does not have God's warmth, nor does it follow His cycle. Demons may lie, and you are offering nothing new.
I have never claims that the poles are the gates to Hell. Further evidence of dishonesty. They are closest to the edge and Hell is beneath us, but there are no gates, and really they are no closer than most of the world. The Earth simply blocks light.

Stop ignoring the fact that demons may lie. A pale, cold imitation different in cycle and warmth is not the real thing.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The same "pale imitation" can be seen in sweden and in greece. Does that mean that Sweden and greece also are at the edge?
No, it is not the same pale imitation. Sweden and Greece are far, far warmer, for the easiest example. I have been to Greece. Both are typically well above freezing.

My point was about the sun (or "Gods light", as you like to call it), not the climate.
If you cared to watch the images, you'd see that the sun is as bright and looks the same in each of those pictures. Either it's all gods light or it's all demons. Which is it?

The Sun produces heat. Why are you ignoring this? I'm not concerned with climate, I'm concerned with what the Sun causes. I can take a photo of the Sun, this does not make it God's light. An image is a mere fraction of what the Sun is: light is the slightest part of what it provides. The fact the light visible at the poles does not produce the same heat as God's light means it is not an accurate imitation.

None of this matters for the moment, nor is part of my point.

You said that the sun at the poles is pale. I show you pictures that shows that the same "pale" sun can be seen in sweden and greece. Now, is all of them the real sun or an imitation? Stop evading the question.
Math is the language of the universe.

The inability to explain something is not proof of something else.

We don't speak for reality - we only observe it. An observation can have any cause, but it is still no more than just an observation.

When in doubt; sources!