ABSOLUTELY IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FLATNESS OF THE EARTH

I have asked you for evidence that the edge is at the south pole. You said that you know it from the words of god (aka the bible). I am asking you were in the bible it says that the edge is at the south pole. You are the one answering to phantom questions I never ask.

You "explanation" is only based on your own opinions. I am asking for facts, or evidence.

Are you going to insist I provide a verse stating that the edge is in the South Pole again, despite the fact I have never claimed one exists and have explained why one is not needed?

I cannot give a source for a logical deduction. That is an impossible ask. Logic does not allow for sources. This has been explained to you several times. Explain what is wrong with this, or stop repeating the same question over and over. I have answered you every single time, and anyone who reads this thread will see that. You are ignoring my answers. Logical deduction is different from personal opinion.
I directly guessed your next question and you did not so much as acknowledge or respond to it. if all you are going to do is ignore, goodbye. Preaching is wasted on those who have hardened their hearts.

If you are going to do this honestly, let us break this down.
I have:

1. Provided a source for the fact the world is flat.
2. Explained why the edge must be at a pole with simple logic.
3. Explained why it is not at the North with simple logic.

Which of these do you believe I have not done?
If you are going to insist logic cannot be used then no source may be used as it requires logic to read and interpret.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 24, 2015, 02:10:15 PM

I have asked you for evidence that the edge is at the south pole. You said that you know it from the words of god (aka the bible). I am asking you were in the bible it says that the edge is at the south pole. You are the one answering to phantom questions I never ask.

You "explanation" is only based on your own opinions. I am asking for facts, or evidence.

Are you going to insist I provide a verse stating that the edge is in the South Pole again, despite the fact I have never claimed one exists and have explained why one is not needed?

I cannot give a source for a logical deduction. That is an impossible ask. Logic does not allow for sources. This has been explained to you several times. Explain what is wrong with this, or stop repeating the same question over and over. I have answered you every single time, and anyone who reads this thread will see that. You are ignoring my answers. Logical deduction is different from personal opinion.
I directly guessed your next question and you did not so much as acknowledge or respond to it. if all you are going to do is ignore, goodbye. Preaching is wasted on those who have hardened their hearts.

If you are going to do this honestly, let us break this down.
I have:

1. Provided a source for the fact the world is flat.
2. Explained why the edge must be at a pole with simple logic.
3. Explained why it is not at the North with simple logic.

Which of these do you believe I have not done?
If you are going to insist logic cannot be used then no source may be used as it requires logic to read and interpret.

Yes, I insist since I have explained why it is needed.

You have vaguely done 1. You've given a source, but you are misinterpreting it. You have not done 2 or 3, since your logic is based on your own opinions and not the observable reality. You don't have to do 1 in any case, I've never asked for that. All I want to know is where is the edge and what evidence is there? I have provided evidence that the edge is bot there, which decimates your little thought experiment.

Yes, I insist since I have explained why it is needed.

You have vaguely done 1. You've given a source, but you are misinterpreting it. You have not done 2 or 3, since your logic is based on your own opinions and not the observable reality. You don't have to do 1 in any case, I've never asked for that. All I want to know is where is the edge and what evidence is there? I have provided evidence that the edge is bot there, which decimates your little thought experiment.

I am giving God's word. You do not get to call it misinterpretation.
How is it opinion to state that the Sun is always visible somewhere? How is it opinion to state that where the Sun does not travel and heat would therefore be the edge and would therefore be covere din ice? How is it opinion to state that the North pole is travelled over enough that it cannot be the edge?

You have provided no evidence that demons could not and would not forge.

So Testify is another Bible literalist.  Ok, so I have a question then.  Which translation of the Bible is correct?  Because looking into the differing translations shows many contradictions between them. 
Once we get that part out of the way then I have more questions for you.  BTW I believe your answer is going to be the King James version, as many of today's literalists use.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 23, 2015, 11:39:01 AM

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Just because you are deceived into believing there is not an edge there, does not mean there is no border to the Earth.

Where is it, was the question.

At what you call the South Pole.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 23, 2015, 05:42:16 AM

Where in the south pole? And how do you know? No one who has been to the south pole has seen an edge. The south pole has been thoroughly explored as well.

I don't know the location to the metre, and even if I did I have no way of explaining that to you because you falsely believe it to be an island. I know because of God's word, I believe this is obvious.
As for the rest:

Quote from: Testify on September 23, 2015, 05:56:26 AM

"Just because you are deceived into believing there is not an edge there, does not mean there is no border to the Earth."

I am not asking you to give us the exact coordinates. But the south pole is a large place. It's like saying "it's in europe" or "it's in the US". It's too vague for an answer. Give us a rough position on a map or something.

What map would you like? It would be impossible to point to it on a globular map because your map of the South Pole is wrong and bears no relationship to reality and so cannot be used. It would be very easy to point to it on a disc map, and you wouldn't need my help.

Any map that you like. As long as it is readable, and it gives a name of the site/area. Or a direction to there from a named site/area.

Here is a map
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW.jpg
You may reach the edge by heading South/outwards from South America, Africa, Oceania...
There are no names, but I'm sure you know what those continents are called.

The map which you cited is simply the representation as a flat map of the earth made by a process known as the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection. This is a projection of the globe. It is also known by its distortion south of the equator. In particular the size and shape of Australia is an example of this distortion. Any attempt to make a flat map of the entire earth is going to show some distortion in some areas. There are many other projections , all made from the globe. The Mercator Projection is another well known projections.

All of these projections have been from the globe because the globe is the true shape of the earth.

There is no flat earth map because the earth is not some flat disc shape.

The continent of Antarctica has been surveyed, mapped, charted and photographed by aerial and satellite methods.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 24, 2015, 02:58:32 PM

Yes, I insist since I have explained why it is needed.

You have vaguely done 1. You've given a source, but you are misinterpreting it. You have not done 2 or 3, since your logic is based on your own opinions and not the observable reality. You don't have to do 1 in any case, I've never asked for that. All I want to know is where is the edge and what evidence is there? I have provided evidence that the edge is bot there, which decimates your little thought experiment.

I am giving God's word. You do not get to call it misinterpretation.
How is it opinion to state that the Sun is always visible somewhere? How is it opinion to state that where the Sun does not travel and heat would therefore be the edge and would therefore be covere din ice? How is it opinion to state that the North pole is travelled over enough that it cannot be the edge?

You have provided no evidence that demons could not and would not forge.

It is your opinion that the edge is at a cold place. Why does it have to be a cold place? We see the sun sink below the horizon, so the sun is no longer in the area. We can also observe midnight sun in the south pole, times where the sun never stops to shine. It also goes around the observer continuously, as if the south pole was the center the sun revolved around. The same thing can be seen at the north pole, during it's summer. That would mean that both the north and the south poles are centers that the sun revolves around, right? The edge can't be at the center, so it can't be at neither the north or south pole. You are right, the sun is always shining on a spot on earth, so when on the south pole and you see the sun revolving around you you know that the sun is always shining on land below it, which means that there is land all around you as you are on the south pole. And this is all according to your logics.

So Testify is another Bible literalist.  Ok, so I have a question then.  Which translation of the Bible is correct?  Because looking into the differing translations shows many contradictions between them. 
Once we get that part out of the way then I have more questions for you.  BTW I believe your answer is going to be the King James version, as many of today's literalists use.

The King James version, yes. It was the first intended for the public, and God would need only one in the dominant language. All others since then are subtle manipulations caused by demons, in an attempt to veil and confuse God's truth.
I have a thread in the religion section to discuss the Bible. This is not the thread for that.

Quote from: Testify on September 23, 2015, 11:51:59 AM

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Quote from: Testify on September 23, 2015, 05:39:25 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 23, 2015, 05:18:15 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 23, 2015, 05:17:12 AM

Just because you are deceived into believing there is not an edge there, does not mean there is no border to the Earth.

Where is it, was the question.

At what you call the South Pole.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 23, 2015, 05:42:16 AM

Where in the south pole? And how do you know? No one who has been to the south pole has seen an edge. The south pole has been thoroughly explored as well.

I don't know the location to the metre, and even if I did I have no way of explaining that to you because you falsely believe it to be an island. I know because of God's word, I believe this is obvious.
As for the rest:

Quote from: Testify on September 23, 2015, 05:56:26 AM

"Just because you are deceived into believing there is not an edge there, does not mean there is no border to the Earth."

I am not asking you to give us the exact coordinates. But the south pole is a large place. It's like saying "it's in europe" or "it's in the US". It's too vague for an answer. Give us a rough position on a map or something.

What map would you like? It would be impossible to point to it on a globular map because your map of the South Pole is wrong and bears no relationship to reality and so cannot be used. It would be very easy to point to it on a disc map, and you wouldn't need my help.

Any map that you like. As long as it is readable, and it gives a name of the site/area. Or a direction to there from a named site/area.

Here is a map
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW.jpg
You may reach the edge by heading South/outwards from South America, Africa, Oceania...
There are no names, but I'm sure you know what those continents are called.

The map which you cited is simply the representation as a flat map of the earth made by a process known as the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection. This is a projection of the globe. It is also known by its distortion south of the equator. In particular the size and shape of Australia is an example of this distortion. Any attempt to make a flat map of the entire earth is going to show some distortion in some areas. There are many other projections , all made from the globe. The Mercator Projection is another well known projections.

All of these projections have been from the globe because the globe is the true shape of the earth.

There is no flat earth map because the earth is not some flat disc shape.

The continent of Antarctica has been surveyed, mapped, charted and photographed by aerial and satellite methods.

The projection of the globe was made, by demons, of the true disc. The disc is accurate, and Antartica has not been reliably mapped: the only attempts have been by humans possessed or corrupted by demons, in their attempt to make man rebel against God, and His word of a flat creation.
The map will not be, in detail, accurate as it would be made public by demons to mislead, but in gist it is approximately correct.

Quote from: Testify on September 24, 2015, 03:23:36 PM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 24, 2015, 02:58:32 PM

Yes, I insist since I have explained why it is needed.

You have vaguely done 1. You've given a source, but you are misinterpreting it. You have not done 2 or 3, since your logic is based on your own opinions and not the observable reality. You don't have to do 1 in any case, I've never asked for that. All I want to know is where is the edge and what evidence is there? I have provided evidence that the edge is bot there, which decimates your little thought experiment.

I am giving God's word. You do not get to call it misinterpretation.
How is it opinion to state that the Sun is always visible somewhere? How is it opinion to state that where the Sun does not travel and heat would therefore be the edge and would therefore be covere din ice? How is it opinion to state that the North pole is travelled over enough that it cannot be the edge?

You have provided no evidence that demons could not and would not forge.

It is your opinion that the edge is at a cold place. Why does it have to be a cold place? We see the sun sink below the horizon, so the sun is no longer in the area. We can also observe midnight sun in the south pole, times where the sun never stops to shine. It also goes around the observer continuously, as if the south pole was the center the sun revolved around. The same thing can be seen at the north pole, during it's summer. That would mean that both the north and the south poles are centers that the sun revolves around, right? The edge can't be at the center, so it can't be at neither the north or south pole. You are right, the sun is always shining on a spot on earth, so when on the south pole and you see the sun revolving around you you know that the sun is always shining on land below it, which means that there is land all around you as you are on the south pole. And this is all according to your logics.

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

No we don't,  I'm in Australia,  and at the moment I'm writing this it's  10 o'clock Friday Night,   I sure can't see the sun.   Maybe I'm being misled by demons.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

No we don't,  I'm in Australia,  and at the moment I'm writing this it's  10 o'clock Friday Night,   I sure can't see the sun.   Maybe I'm being misled by demons.

You are not everywhere on Earth. It is visible elsewhere. I see it now.
The only one misleading you is your own sinful nature. I have explained myself very clearly.

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

Quote from: Rayzor on September 25, 2015, 05:00:28 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

No we don't,  I'm in Australia,  and at the moment I'm writing this it's  10 o'clock Friday Night,   I sure can't see the sun.   Maybe I'm being misled by demons.

You are not everywhere on Earth. It is visible elsewhere. I see it now.
The only one misleading you is your own sinful nature. I have explained myself very clearly.

My sinful nature?    You judge me with zero knowledge,  that is a greater sin.

You might be interested to know that the current flat earth view is that Antarctica is just a continent ,  and the edge lies elsewhere,  look up the bipolar model for more info.    The view you are pushing is not accepted by the majority of other flat earth believers.    But,  hey,  it's your reality,  believe what you want.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:03:34 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on September 25, 2015, 05:00:28 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

No we don't,  I'm in Australia,  and at the moment I'm writing this it's  10 o'clock Friday Night,   I sure can't see the sun.   Maybe I'm being misled by demons.

You are not everywhere on Earth. It is visible elsewhere. I see it now.
The only one misleading you is your own sinful nature. I have explained myself very clearly.

My sinful nature?    You judge me with zero knowledge,  that is a greater sin.

You might be interested to know that the current flat earth view is that Antarctica is just a continent ,  and the edge lies elsewhere,  look up the bipolar model for more info.    The view you are pushing is not accepted by the majority of other flat earth believers.    But,  hey,  it's your reality,  believe what you want.

All humans have sinned. All have  asinful nature, the more so when they reject God's word.
I listen to God, not corruptible and foolish humans.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:39:50 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:39:50 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_tourism.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709924

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/06/antarctica.antarctica

Those took me approximately five seconds to find. Do not say what you would like to be true, say what is true. How many cross Antarctica? How many see any more than the fringes? How many go there, compared to the total number of humans, or the stars in the sky?

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:50:00 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:39:50 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_tourism.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709924

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/06/antarctica.antarctica

Those took me approximately five seconds to find. Do not say what you would like to be true, say what is true. How many cross Antarctica? How many see any more than the fringes? How many go there, compared to the total number of humans, or the stars in the sky?

1. They disprove your claim that few visit antarctica, so at least that was a lie from you.

2. None of these are against tourism itself. It's against the tourists and the means of transportation. Oil spills and trash left there is indeed really bad. And getting too close to the animal life is not too good either. But that is just controlling the tourism so that it doesn't disturb the wildlife. Tourism is actually seen as a positive side in itself according to all those sources, so you disproved yourself. And I did google and find similar ones in fact, which is why I wrote what I wrote: You were lying, since none of your claims were true.

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Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_tourism.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709924

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/06/antarctica.antarctica

Those took me approximately five seconds to find. Do not say what you would like to be true, say what is true. How many cross Antarctica? How many see any more than the fringes? How many go there, compared to the total number of humans, or the stars in the sky?

1. They disprove your claim that few visit antarctica, so at least that was a lie from you.

2. None of these are against tourism itself. It's against the tourists and the means of transportation. Oil spills and trash left there is indeed really bad. And getting too close to the animal life is not too good either. But that is just controlling the tourism so that it doesn't disturb the wildlife. Tourism is actually seen as a positive side in itself according to all those sources, so you disproved yourself. And I did google and find similar ones in fact, which is why I wrote what I wrote: You were lying, since none of your claims were true.

Few means different things in different contexts. I assumed you would be honest enough to realize what context we are working in.
Do you expect demons to be completely truthful? They are insisting Antarctica be less accessible. Consider why.

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Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:57:18 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:50:00 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:39:50 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_tourism.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709924

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/06/antarctica.antarctica

Those took me approximately five seconds to find. Do not say what you would like to be true, say what is true. How many cross Antarctica? How many see any more than the fringes? How many go there, compared to the total number of humans, or the stars in the sky?

1. They disprove your claim that few visit antarctica, so at least that was a lie from you.

2. None of these are against tourism itself. It's against the tourists and the means of transportation. Oil spills and trash left there is indeed really bad. And getting too close to the animal life is not too good either. But that is just controlling the tourism so that it doesn't disturb the wildlife. Tourism is actually seen as a positive side in itself according to all those sources, so you disproved yourself. And I did google and find similar ones in fact, which is why I wrote what I wrote: You were lying, since none of your claims were true.

Few means different things in different contexts. I assumed you would be honest enough to realize what context we are working in.
Do you expect demons to be completely truthful? They are insisting Antarctica be less accessible. Consider why.

I know what context we are in. 20-40 thousand is a lot of people, not few. And that is every year.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 06:25:02 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 06:20:20 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:57:18 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:50:00 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:39:50 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 05:28:57 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 04:49:19 AM

We see the Sun everywhere on Earth, at all times, so we know it does not cross down over the edge. This is all we need to know: it will be clear there will be ice, and it will be a cold place in the absence of the Sun.
Observations taken at the wall, whether it be at the North or South, are not reliable because it is the location where demons seek to mislead us.

If the earth was round it'd have to cross over the horizon, just as we see that it does.

And how could demons mislead so many so much when gods light is shining on them 24/7?

And the north and south poles are cold, but there is only absence of sun during the winters. In the summers they bathe in light.

The Sun always shines somewhere.
God's light does not shine 24/7 everywhere. He peers away to test us: this is night, when they shine as stars.
Only the barest of light reaches the poles, even in Summers. God would not forgo them entirely, but the poles are the edges: the centre of the Earth, and the edge where our plane meets Hell.

But both the poels must be centres, as the light goes around them both earth has to be everywhere around both of them. And God would surely not let the demons mess with his light right?

Light does not go around both the poles. It moves horizontally in the distance.
Demons cannot mess with God's light: they can still deceive or possess or corrupt humans to lie. Few go to Antarctica, and there is even a movement to stop all travel there.

That is in fact a genuine lie from you. A LOT of people go to antarctica, and there is no movement what-so-ever to stop travel to antarctica. You sound like one of the deceiving demons you are saying are trying to deceive us.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_tourism.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709924

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/06/antarctica.antarctica

Those took me approximately five seconds to find. Do not say what you would like to be true, say what is true. How many cross Antarctica? How many see any more than the fringes? How many go there, compared to the total number of humans, or the stars in the sky?

1. They disprove your claim that few visit antarctica, so at least that was a lie from you.

2. None of these are against tourism itself. It's against the tourists and the means of transportation. Oil spills and trash left there is indeed really bad. And getting too close to the animal life is not too good either. But that is just controlling the tourism so that it doesn't disturb the wildlife. Tourism is actually seen as a positive side in itself according to all those sources, so you disproved yourself. And I did google and find similar ones in fact, which is why I wrote what I wrote: You were lying, since none of your claims were true.

Few means different things in different contexts. I assumed you would be honest enough to realize what context we are working in.
Do you expect demons to be completely truthful? They are insisting Antarctica be less accessible. Consider why.

I know what context we are in. 20-40 thousand is a lot of people, not few. And that is every year.

How many people are in the world? How many stars are in the sky?
And how many of those thousands who claim to go to Antarctica cross it, or journey anywhere close to where the edge would be: and how many simply go to predetermined and pre-allowed areas to rest and be entertained by penguins?

How many people are in the world? How many stars are in the sky?
And how many of those thousands who claim to go to Antarctica cross it, or journey anywhere close to where the edge would be: and how many simply go to predetermined and pre-allowed areas to rest and be entertained by penguins?

The deal with the stars is that the more you magnify the sky the more you can see.  If you ground the entire Earth into sand then the number of particles that would yield would be orders of magnitude smaller then the number of stars that can be seen with scientific equipment.  Needless to say, that outnumbers every human that has ever or will ever exist.  Also, nobody has noticed any stars appearing even though many people are being born and killed every day.

You can actually book a flight over Antarctica if you feel so inclined and have the money.  Many people have done it and there have so far been no reports of falling off the edge of the Earth.  I could give you a link to the website where you can book these tickets if you want.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 07:25:36 AM

How many people are in the world? How many stars are in the sky?
And how many of those thousands who claim to go to Antarctica cross it, or journey anywhere close to where the edge would be: and how many simply go to predetermined and pre-allowed areas to rest and be entertained by penguins?

The deal with the stars is that the more you magnify the sky the more you can see.  If you ground the entire Earth into sand then the number of particles that would yield would be orders of magnitude smaller then the number of stars that can be seen with scientific equipment.  Needless to say, that outnumbers every human that has ever or will ever exist.  Also, nobody has noticed any stars appearing even though many people are being born and killed every day.

You can actually book a flight over Antarctica if you feel so inclined and have the money.  Many people have done it and there have so far been no reports of falling off the edge of the Earth.  I could give you a link to the website where you can book these tickets if you want.

Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

People do not become demons, it is angels who fall. We may observe many similar angels in the sky: the worlds blasphemously named after Pagan deities, so-called asteroids, as well as all those that do battle when demons seek to enter heaven and cause 'sunspots'.

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

The stars are demons. Observations taken from them are not to be trusted.

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 10:13:18 AM

Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

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Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 10:13:18 AM

Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

Quote from: Master_Evar on September 25, 2015, 11:28:10 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on September 25, 2015, 11:03:03 AM

Quote from: Testify on September 25, 2015, 10:13:18 AM

Why would stars appear because people are born and killed? They are demons. The only celestial object that would have appeared with a birth is the moon, two thousand years ago.
Just because you believe a plane travels over the Antarctic does not mean it does.

According to Genisis only 1/3 of all people became deamons.  Are you suggesting that the number of people that has ever and will ever live is such a ridiculous number?

Antarctica is about as easy to identify as the the back of your hand.  Where else do the southern stars rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

Where else does the sun (Gods light, remmeber the "demons" are deceiving) does this as well?

Do what? The Sun is not spoken of in what you quote.

rotate counter clockwise around appoint directly above you?

^ What the sun does ^

Since you need to be spoonfed information.