ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)

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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #150 on: May 08, 2015, 02:02:40 PM »
1. If you apply this http://www.energeticforum.com/256670-post75.html to your case, what do you get?

- What you see in explanation above is the valid proof against the heliocentric theory, however the same description (of the Sun's path above the Northern Hemiplain) is in accordance with FET.
- Regarding your description (of the Sun's alleged path above the Southern Hemiplain) is not in accordance neither with RET nor with FET.

2. I would say that these 100 miles don't make significant difference regarding main part of my analysis.

3. Didn't i tell you that you were going to lose you common sense, suddenly and completely?

All i can do is to quote these words of an honest man again:

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Well, it has been quite a while since i visited this forum last time, and now i have to admit it gives me a great pleasure to read private messages like this:

 
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I was looking for some stationary Earth proofs on youtube and came across your "zig-zag" explanation that although looked weird at first sight, after a little bit thinking became so obvious that I felt really bad for not noticing it before by myself.
  Next thing I was here on this forum and registered just to say - thank you ... for opening my eyes and giving me (and probably the whole world if they only want to see) proof for something that always felt wrong ...

    With hope that my english was not too confusing,
    best regards and greetings from Serbia

    Goran


THANKS GORAN!!!

4. >Whoever wrote that text is very muddled up.  The iceberg is no different to millions of ships all connected together<

Really now? The iceberg is no different to millions of ships all connected together? Whoever said that, urgently needs medical help!

I am spending hours and hours producing answers for you which you are not even reading and you began by calling me a liar.

The Sun is behind the observer in the picture you say is impossible

If you have so much faith you are right that you dont even need to read my replies, and want to play endless games of diverting this thread from the topic you began with,  then i can do no more
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #151 on: May 08, 2015, 04:01:39 PM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #152 on: May 08, 2015, 05:07:14 PM »
Simple, the sun can be seen form 300 degrees of earths rotation.
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« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2015, 05:34:18 PM »
Simple, the sun can be seen form 300 degrees of earths rotation.
When its setting .?
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« Reply #154 on: May 08, 2015, 06:03:43 PM »
Just imagine the sun in the video setting for 4 hours. This isn't rocket science.
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« Reply #155 on: May 08, 2015, 06:38:46 PM »
Just imagine the sun in the video setting for 4 hours. This isn't rocket science.
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No its shit talking shill talk.  Ever heard of mountainous hilly land mass being in the way , to make it imposible to see the sun set south west at stkilda bay beach , then 4 hours later see the sun set west at darwin & broome.
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« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2015, 07:02:30 PM »
Just imagine the sun in the video setting for 4 hours. This isn't rocket science.
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No its shit talking shill talk.  Ever heard of mountainous hilly land mass being in the way , to make it imposible to see the sun set south west at stkilda bay beach , then 4 hours later see the sun set west at darwin & broome.

No it's pretty normal.   RIght now it's  11:54 EST   and the sun is overhead, but it's overcast and drizzle,  so I can't give you an exact angle,  but, right at this minute it's 9:54am,  someone in Perth can look up and see the same sun,  just a bit lower in the sky.   Sunset is around  5:30 tonight,  So when the sun is setting in Melbourne,  it will be  3:30 in Perth, and sunset in Perth will be two hours later at 5:32.   No magic.
I could get exact directions to the setting sun if you need it.
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« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2015, 07:06:11 PM »
Just imagine the sun in the video setting for 4 hours. This isn't rocket science.
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No its shit talking shill talk.  Ever heard of mountainous hilly land mass being in the way , to make it imposible to see the sun set south west at stkilda bay beach , then 4 hours later see the sun set west at darwin & broome.

Hmm, after looking into google street images, other side of the bay form the vantage of the picture you lied about earlier is rather flat and pretty far away.  Like I said earlier.  This picture alone shows the sun setting to the west, verified by looking at the orientation of the St. Kilda Pavillion in the picture.  This means they were facing down the pier almost due West, the sun is a bit South but very near the horizon.  There are buildings between the sun and the vantage point about 12 miles away that should, if the Earth was flat, be casting shadows.  Instead the buildings are not very tall and they are over the round Earth horizon. 
Stop destroying yourself please.  Also how do you let an American tell you more about your country than you know anyway? 
But, even though, I can use google street view to look into every where I have ever been that they have covered, and verify those to be correct.  I have to make this one assumption.  That it is correct for that area also.  Which is actually a much smaller assumption than assuming it isn't correct as every test sample I have made with using google street view has been correct and there have been literally thousands of times i have used it.  To find houses I was looking for to install satellites, to look at houses that i was thinking about buying before I went to them, to just screw around to see decent beach spots to take my family to, etc.  So I believe my assumption that google is correct has much more validity than your assumption that google is not correct. 
I am sure you can find me one or two incorrect instances of google maps, but I bet you you cannot find even 1% of the ones I have found that were correct.  No worries though, I do have some friends that do travel to Melborne from time to time, I will ask one of them to verify the St. Kilda Pavilion for me.  Unless someone else on here would like to do so.

So for now, charles will go back into my little book of confused people who do not understand much about science and therefore is scared of it.  Good day sir.


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« Reply #158 on: May 08, 2015, 07:34:16 PM »

I am sure you can find me one or two incorrect instances of google maps, but I bet you you cannot find even 1% of the ones I have found that were correct.  No worries though, I do have some friends that do travel to Melborne from time to time, I will ask one of them to verify the St. Kilda Pavilion for me.  Unless someone else on here would like to do so.

So for now, charles will go back into my little book of confused people who do not understand much about science and therefore is scared of it.  Good day sir.

Beach views from Elwood webcams http://www.elwoodsc.com/blog/?p=502
West Beach Pavillion webcam http://www.westbeachstkilda.com.au/   Scroll down a little for the live view.

Next time I'm down that way I'll take some pictures for you,   summertime topless season is probably best.   ( although taking pictures might get me arrested )  ;D

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« Reply #159 on: May 08, 2015, 07:51:09 PM »
I was googling for Melbourne webcams with views of Port Philip Bay, when I check the Sandringham Yacht Club webcam.   If that picture doesn't convince you the earth is round I don't know what would.


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« Reply #160 on: May 08, 2015, 07:59:59 PM »
I was googling for Melbourne webcams with views of Port Philip Bay, when I check the Sandringham Yacht Club webcam.   If that picture doesn't convince you the earth is round I don't know what would.


Your getting more desperate &  pathetic  by the day . Must be hard being big brothers bitch .
Fish eye lense
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« Reply #161 on: May 08, 2015, 08:05:49 PM »

Your getting more desperate &  pathetic  by the day . Must be hard being big brothers bitch .
Fish eye lense

It was funny,  sorry you didn't get it.   You do realise they installed the camera upside down,  or forgot to flip the image during the capture process.

You have no sense of humor.  You need to back off and relax.
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« Reply #162 on: May 08, 2015, 08:16:12 PM »
LMAO, immediately without understanding what he was actually looking at, he went to the old standby of fish eye lens.
you say people should think for themselves, you should start to actually think there charles.
Man you get worse at this as time goes by.

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« Reply #163 on: May 08, 2015, 08:41:13 PM »
LMAO, immediately without understanding what he was actually looking at, he went to the old standby of fish eye lens.
you say people should think for themselves, you should start to actually think there charles.
Man you get worse at this as time goes by.

It's funny and sad at the same time,  that's almost the very definition of pathos,  and he calls me pathetic.   Now, what's the betting he comes back with even more insults. 

Go ahead charles,  let's hear those insults, tell us all how stupid and deluded you really are.

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« Reply #164 on: May 08, 2015, 09:58:47 PM »
LMAO, immediately without understanding what he was actually looking at, he went to the old standby of fish eye lens.
you say people should think for themselves, you should start to actually think there charles.
Man you get worse at this as time goes by.

It's funny and sad at the same time,  that's almost the very definition of pathos,  and he calls me pathetic.   Now, what's the betting he comes back with even more insults. 

Go ahead charles,  let's hear those insults, tell us all how stupid and deluded you really are.
What !!!,you don't think  I knew what I was looking at . Lol you have just givein away .One of NASA famous  favorite trick in photography the upside down photo  . Oh look a satalite photo of earth from space . See how high we are above the earth. Lol .Well at lest I know your not a NASA stooge.  :)
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« Reply #165 on: May 08, 2015, 10:10:15 PM »
Oh & I thought you would of caught on about the fish eye lense . Because that all NASA do then blaken the water in the photo.
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« Reply #166 on: May 08, 2015, 10:13:50 PM »
LOL, look at you failing to come up with a proper comeback, its so cute.
No that looks nothing like the pictures from orbit.  Much like the moon looks nothing like the Arctic or Antarctic, but with photo analysis chops like you have, I bet a picture of Elmo would make you think aliens were invading.

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« Reply #167 on: May 08, 2015, 10:19:33 PM »
Oh & I thought you would of caught on about the fish eye lense . Because that all NASA do then blaken the water in the photo.

Here's a direct link, to the Sandringham Yacht Club webcam  http://www.syc.com.au/weather/webcam/   You have fish eye lenses on the brain.

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« Reply #168 on: May 08, 2015, 10:30:23 PM »
LOL, look at you failing to come up with a proper comeback, its so cute.
No that looks nothing like the pictures from orbit.  Much like the moon looks nothing like the Arctic or Antarctic, but with photo analysis chops like you have, I bet a picture of Elmo would make you think aliens were invading.
Its not a comeback , its what NASA been doing for years. Fish eye lenses & blackening out the water . If the photo is taken in the right light, you even get the lovely blueish contrast happning  at the horizon. Black & whites even more convincing .
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« Reply #169 on: May 08, 2015, 11:01:20 PM »
NASA's favorite trick photography?  More conspiracy garbage.  Yes it is garbage.  So you lie about one photo of what direction it was facing, even though you didn't know what direction it was facing since you did not take it and did not even bother to do any research about the photo.  Then I am to take your word for photographic manipulation?  Which you solely base on a conspiracy angle that makes no sense.
Since you obviously are not any bit of an authority on anything from what I see, your explanation of what the moon is is laughable, your debating skills are poor, I am figuring out that you are also one of those people who have to feel like some unsung hero of the fight against the conspiracy also.  Complete and utter fabrication of details is what we normally call lies.   Lies are not what a hero trades in.  So next time you decide to step out here in the debate section, lets do some research and try to drop the "I'm a rebel hero" mindset.  Not everyone is out to get you, there are not government cameras that have been placed in your house to spy on you, and there are not teams of government people who are reading your emails. 

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« Reply #170 on: May 08, 2015, 11:17:49 PM »
How dare !!!!!you mock me , you genital wart .you sweaty ball sack shill of shill's & dill of dill's .Could you be any more borring then you all ready are. Be gone with you , before for your castrated with a sharp tongue lashing.
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« Reply #171 on: May 08, 2015, 11:23:49 PM »
You misspelled boring.  And your punctuation is all wrong. 
Also your anger is still showing.
You are not as fun as the racist troll, but I may make time for you.
BTW, you have to have a higher intelligence level to actually do any verbal lashing that means anything more than "well, well, your stupid"
I await your best efforts though and wish you luck.

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« Reply #172 on: May 08, 2015, 11:28:57 PM »
You misspelled boring.  And your punctuation is all wrong. 
Also your anger is still showing.
You are not as fun as the racist troll, but I may make time for you.
BTW, you have to have a higher intelligence level to actually do any verbal lashing that means anything more than "well, well, your stupid"
I await your best efforts though and wish you luck.
I will take  your word for it .You being an expert on boring & a nasty little grub at that.
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« Reply #173 on: May 08, 2015, 11:39:27 PM »
Nope, not your best.  Try harder, that was hardly worth a response.
Or we could just go on with discussing things like adults.  Still your choice at this point.
The only reason I even poked a little fun at you is because I knew what your response would be.  Would you care to cut your strings now and go back to reasonable discussions?  Or do you wish for me to make you dance more?  Here are the scissors.

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« Reply #174 on: May 09, 2015, 12:10:18 AM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.

I already explained this in some detail.  I mentioned the tropic of capricorn and you objected to that.  And now we are going around in what seems to be an endless game of objection for no purpose.

Any ordinary person can observe the tropic of capricorn just by observing shadows

Anybody in Australia should be aware the sun is directly overhead in some places at some times of the year.   What is the problem?

We are talking about a very very simple observation that anybody can do and you are objecting to it.     
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« Reply #175 on: May 09, 2015, 02:19:59 AM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.

I already explained this in some detail.  I mentioned the tropic of capricorn and you objected to that.  And now we are going around in what seems to be an endless game of objection for no purpose.

Any ordinary person can observe the tropic of capricorn just by observing shadows

Anybody in Australia should be aware the sun is directly overhead in some places at some times of the year.   What is the problem?

We are talking about a very very simple observation that anybody can do and you are objecting to it.   
How about you print off a map of new holland (australia) on to a 4a sheet of paper . Then  draw a line from the  stkilda beach location .south west . Then draw one from the broome location  in a west direction & then one from darwin in a west direction . Then draw a line from broome till it intercepts with the projected line of stkilda's south west sun set & then do the same from darwin. 
Now kiddies dont try this at home,. You could be scarred for  life.  Leave it to the xspurts. What is an xspurt you ask .Well an x is a lover you got ridd of & a spurt. Well thats  a  drip under pressure. 
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« Reply #176 on: May 09, 2015, 02:55:10 AM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.

I already explained this in some detail.  I mentioned the tropic of capricorn and you objected to that.  And now we are going around in what seems to be an endless game of objection for no purpose.

Any ordinary person can observe the tropic of capricorn just by observing shadows

Anybody in Australia should be aware the sun is directly overhead in some places at some times of the year.   What is the problem?

We are talking about a very very simple observation that anybody can do and you are objecting to it.   
How about you print off a map of new holland (australia) on to a 4a sheet of paper . Then  draw a line from the  stkilda beach location .south west . Then draw one from the broome location  in a west direction & then one from darwin in a west direction . Then draw a line from broome till it intercepts with the projected line of stkilda's south west sun set & then do the same from darwin. 
Now kiddies dont try this at home,. You could be scarred for  life.  Leave it to the xspurts. What is an xspurt you ask .Well an x is a lover you got ridd of & a spurt. Well thats  a  drip under pressure.

Drawing lines on a piece of paper is not going to help you understand the tropic of capricorn.

You seem though to be just fucking with me for no purpose at all.  So well done you had some fun at my expense. I suffered and you enjoyed it.   Congratulations.

Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #177 on: May 09, 2015, 03:39:20 AM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.

I already explained this in some detail.  I mentioned the tropic of capricorn and you objected to that.  And now we are going around in what seems to be an endless game of objection for no purpose.

Any ordinary person can observe the tropic of capricorn just by observing shadows

Anybody in Australia should be aware the sun is directly overhead in some places at some times of the year.   What is the problem?

We are talking about a very very simple observation that anybody can do and you are objecting to it.   
How about you print off a map of new holland (australia) on to a 4a sheet of paper . Then  draw a line from the  stkilda beach location .south west . Then draw one from the broome location  in a west direction & then one from darwin in a west direction . Then draw a line from broome till it intercepts with the projected line of stkilda's south west sun set & then do the same from darwin. 
Now kiddies dont try this at home,. You could be scarred for  life.  Leave it to the xspurts. What is an xspurt you ask .Well an x is a lover you got ridd of & a spurt. Well thats  a  drip under pressure.

Drawing lines on a piece of paper is not going to help you understand the tropic of capricorn.

You seem though to be just fucking with me for no purpose at all.  So well done you had some fun at my expense. I suffered and you enjoyed it.   Congratulations.
I'm not fucking with anyone . What is claimed does not work out . Draw it on the map. Have someone in stkilda ,broome & darwin confirm . The directions of the sun sets on the same day.
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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #178 on: May 09, 2015, 03:52:23 AM »
Gezz so they managed to pencil in the tropic of Capricorn neatly on the map of  new holland (australia) in1794 . but haven't figured out van diemans  land (Tasmanian) was not attached to the main land .  ::) yer right lol

They were smart enough to know the earth was a globe many years before that.   The Tropics were well known back in the days of the Spanish explorers.   What hadn't been mapped was Australia,  at least not much prior to Captain Cook.  Australia's coastline wasn't mapped properly till Flinders came along, and it was him who confirmed Van Diemens Land was an Island.

What's with all the Rowbotham quotes?  Don't tell me we are going to have to debate the discredited Rowbotham all over again.   He makes stuff up as he goes, and then calls it fact,  a bit like Heiwa.
At least start a new thread.   BTW The Suez canal curves with the surface of the earth, just like you would expect.
Well that makes a lot of sense .Not , if they hadn't maped New Holland ,Then they just made up a location for the line .

That map does not matter today. 

The tropic of capricorn is a simple observational reality that ordinary Australians experience every year by observing a tall objects shadow during sunlight.

If you are saying it does not exist then you should provide your reasons for saying that.
It does matter, it proves they simple guessed  before any  conformation . It would be the same as marking an internal  boundary on a map you  haven't  surveyed.  Now please explane how the sun after being seen seting south west, can travel back north to be seem setting west 4 hours later.

I already explained this in some detail.  I mentioned the tropic of capricorn and you objected to that.  And now we are going around in what seems to be an endless game of objection for no purpose.

Any ordinary person can observe the tropic of capricorn just by observing shadows

Anybody in Australia should be aware the sun is directly overhead in some places at some times of the year.   What is the problem?

We are talking about a very very simple observation that anybody can do and you are objecting to it.   
How about you print off a map of new holland (australia) on to a 4a sheet of paper . Then  draw a line from the  stkilda beach location .south west . Then draw one from the broome location  in a west direction & then one from darwin in a west direction . Then draw a line from broome till it intercepts with the projected line of stkilda's south west sun set & then do the same from darwin. 
Now kiddies dont try this at home,. You could be scarred for  life.  Leave it to the xspurts. What is an xspurt you ask .Well an x is a lover you got ridd of & a spurt. Well thats  a  drip under pressure.

Drawing lines on a piece of paper is not going to help you understand the tropic of capricorn.

You seem though to be just fucking with me for no purpose at all.  So well done you had some fun at my expense. I suffered and you enjoyed it.   Congratulations.
I'm not fucking with anyone . What is claimed does not work out . Draw it on the map. Have someone in stkilda ,broome & darwin confirm . The directions of the sun sets on the same day.

I would not ask you show me how a flat earth behaves by demanding you draw lines on a ball

So why are you demanding I draw lines on a flat surface to show how a round world behaves??

I am telling you that if you want to understand why we believe what we believe you need to allow the tropic of capricorn to exist.

Even if you still believe the world is flat the tropic is just a simple observation of what we see from earth.


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Re: ANTARCTICA MIDNIGHT SUN (ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN)
« Reply #179 on: May 09, 2015, 03:55:30 AM »
1. If you apply this http://www.energeticforum.com/256670-post75.html to your case, what do you get?

- What you see in explanation above is the valid proof against the heliocentric theory, however the same description (of the Sun's path above the Northern Hemiplain) is in accordance with FET.
- Regarding your description (of the Sun's alleged path above the Southern Hemiplain) is not in accordance neither with RET nor with FET.

2. I would say that these 100 miles don't make significant difference regarding main part of my analysis.

3. Didn't i tell you that you were going to lose you common sense, suddenly and completely?

All i can do is to quote these words of an honest man again:

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Well, it has been quite a while since i visited this forum last time, and now i have to admit it gives me a great pleasure to read private messages like this:

 
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I was looking for some stationary Earth proofs on youtube and came across your "zig-zag" explanation that although looked weird at first sight, after a little bit thinking became so obvious that I felt really bad for not noticing it before by myself.
  Next thing I was here on this forum and registered just to say - thank you ... for opening my eyes and giving me (and probably the whole world if they only want to see) proof for something that always felt wrong ...

    With hope that my english was not too confusing,
    best regards and greetings from Serbia

    Goran


THANKS GORAN!!!

4. >Whoever wrote that text is very muddled up.  The iceberg is no different to millions of ships all connected together<

Really now? The iceberg is no different to millions of ships all connected together? Whoever said that, urgently needs medical help!

As for the sentence written with red letters:




As for the sentence written with blue letters:

1. Some time since, it was a common practice amongst surveyors, and men laying out canals and railways to allow 8 inches for every mile, for the consideration of the convexity of the surface of the earth. It was supposed that if this were not done, the water in the canal would not remain stationary.

It has, however, since been discovered that things are more satisfactory when the allowance of 8 inches to the mile is not permitted to enter into the calculations at all
; in fact in those cases where an allowance is made, every thing turns out most unsatisfactory.

The allowing then for convexity, or what was called by engineers "forward levelling," has given way to the method of "back-and-fore" sight", or "double sight,", where no allowance whatever is made for convexity.

Those who argue in favor of the earth's surface being a plane, point proudly to the fact that all the most practical scientific men of the day totally disregard the sphericity of the earth's surface, and regard it, for all practical purposes, as if it were a plane.

2. If the earth be the globe of popular belief, it is very evident that in cutting a canal, an allowance must be made for the curvature of the globe, which allowance would correspond to the square of the distance multiplied by eight inches, nearly. From the Age, of 5th August 1893, I extract the following:

" The German Emperor performed the ceremony of opening the Gates of the Baltic and North Sea Canal, in the spring of 1891. The canal starts at Hollenau, on the south side of Kiel Hay, and Joins the Elbe 15 miles above its mouth, It is 61 miles long, 200 feet wide at the surface and 85 feet at bottom, the depth being 28 feet. No locks are required, as the surface of the two seas is level."


Let those who believe it is the practice for surveyors to make allowance for "curvature" ponder over the following from the Manchester Ship Canal Company, — (Earth Review, October, 1893), " It is customary in Railway and Canal constructions for all levels to be referred to a datum which is nominally horizontal, and is so shown on all sections. It is not the practice in laying out Public Works to make allowance for the curvature of the earth." — Manchester Ship Canal Co., Engineer's Office, 19th February, 1892!

A surveyor, Mr. T. Westwood, writes to the Earth Review for January, 1896, as follows :

" In levelling, I work from Ordnance marks, or canal levels, to get the height above sea level I work sometimes from what is known as the Wolverhampton level, this is said to be 473.19 feet above sea level ; sometimes I work from the Birmingham level, this is said to be 453.04 feet above sea level. Sometimes I work from the Walsall level, this is said to be 407.89 feet above sea level. The puzzle to me used to be, that, though each extends several miles, each level was and is treated throughout its whole length as the same level from end to end ; not the least allowance being made for curvature, although if the earth were a globe, 112 feet ought to be allowed... One of the civil engineers in this district, after some amount of argument on each side as to the reason why no allowance for curvature was made, said he did not believe anybody would know the shape of the earth in this life."

I think most will grant that a practical man is capable of forming a judgment, in all cases of more value than the merely theoretical calculator. Here, then, we have the evidence of practical men to the effect that no allowance for curvature is made in cutting canals, a clear proof that we are not living on a huge ball, but on a surface, the general contour of which is level, as the datum line from which surveys are made IS ALWAYS A HORIZONTAL LINE.

3. On top of that: http://www.energeticforum.com/269599-post626.html
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