Oh dear...

I don't know what you mean by "128,000 feet horizontal video".

Anyway. I don't think you have any authority to comment on this even until you have a better grasp of what the pressure suit does.

Ok I'll explain. You know when you video someone in your garden or on the beach or wherever? You're capturing the moment horizontally, as in you are aiming the camera horizontally, as in straight ahead, as in at the level the people you are videoing are.

Like the video that's supposedly watching Baumgartner free falling. Now who is taking the video footage and where are they at?

3:42 in the video and lasts 20 odd seconds of video capture before the screen changes. So tell me who took this video at 128,000 feet because it sure as hell isn't taken from his balloon.
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Are you saying it's impossible for the suit to have a loose layer with creases overtop a skintight layer?

No. I'm saying it's impossible to have a loose layer  with flapping creases ovr a INFLATED/PRESSURISED inner bladder.

Pressurise a suit and you force that bladder against your body. For it to force against your body and not simply bloat out like a big ball, the outer fabric is there to stop that. the result is a stretched or taut fabric.

What if the mesh is keeping the bladder from expanding past a crertain point? It sounds like that's the function of the mesh, not the outer layer.

What mesh. Define this mesh. You appear to be talking about some kind of fencing mesh. Clarify what you are saying.

Did you not read the description of the 4 layers of the suit? I don't know any more about it at this time than you do. What makes you think it sounds like "fencing mesh"?

Maybe you should do a little more research into the suit before you decide it can't possibly work, because it sounds like you have no idea at all about how it's constructed and what it actually does.

How about you define the mesh that stops the suit showing inflation on the exterior before I show you the actual reality.
Oh and don't think I've forgotton about the 128,000 feet horizontal video of the supposed super mph fall of Baumgartner, either. I'd like an explanation for that which you people conveniently avoid like the plague.

Why don't you do your own research for a change and show us what makes the mesh inadequate.

Now you want to change the subject away from the suit? Are you giving up on your criticism of the suit now?

I've shown you that his suit is not pressurised. That's all anyone needs to know, who cares to question it. You and your likeminded friends are going to defend your stance to keep the scam alive. I understand that.

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At 3.35 in the video, Baumgartner allegedly fall out. At 0:06 seconds on the mission control timer, it switches to a side view and blackness of Baumgartner seen from the side.
As a conseervative calculation using the gravity ruse...Baumgartner should have descended around 180 feet from the capsule. This horizontal visual of him falling lasts for about 27 seconds as his speed builds up to over 500 mph.
My question is this: who took the video of this. We can safely assume that it's not from his balloon. We can rule out a helicopter at 128,000 feet.
So what could have taken this picture and how did it manage to track the speed of his descent.

Can anyone give me a logical answer to this?

Very easy to answer. If you actually look at the video it doesn't show him side on. It's taken from a downward angle. Presumably on the ground or from a tall structure. As for how they can track him: have you watched the video? They clearly can't track him well at all. The camera is waving all over the place. If you want a better look at what happened check out the other video posted in this thread that shows everything from the cameras mounted on his suit.
Also 6 seconds, in a near vacuum, with gravitational acceleration does not equal 180 feet.
You also really, really need to stop making ridiculous claims then requiring evidence from other people. It's just getting ridiculous, prove your own arguments.

Taken from a downward angle?
Come on then, explain who videoed it and where from.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 22, 2014, 03:51:22 PM

How about you define the mesh that stops the suit showing inflation on the exterior before I show you the actual reality.
Oh and don't think I've forgotton about the 128,000 feet horizontal video of the supposed super mph fall of Baumgartner, either. I'd like an explanation for that which you people conveniently avoid like the plague.

Mesh or some layer over the bladder that it's tight against, and the looser exterior fabric over that.

The video shot from another angle was shot from a lower altitude. 

This is too easy Scepti, give us something harder.

Lower altitude? Explain it then. What altitude? Was if videoed by someone in a passing jet? Helicopter? Another helium balloon?
At what altitude was the video taken from?
Too easy my aris.

I'll give scepti one thing: he's really not afraid of being wrong.  He is afraid over ever admitting he was wrong however, no matter how tortuous and silly his "reasoning" gets.

This pressure suit shit is just one long, painful facepalm.

I agree it is a bit cringeworthy when a select group of posters do not understand what a pressure suit is.

Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

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Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

Pressure suits don't need to expand, they just need to be pressurized.

Quote from: Binder on July 23, 2014, 04:05:43 AM

Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

I wish you'd show us a picture do a pressure suit type you are describing.

And I don't understand why you think any of those cameras were fake. You haven't explained that either.

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Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

Pressure suits don't need to expand, they just need to be pressurized.

I'll pretend I didn't see you type this.

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Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

I wish you'd show us a picture do a pressure suit type you are describing.

And I don't understand why you think any of those cameras were fake. You haven't explained that either.

I'm not interested in the cameras that were supposedly on the capsule.

I'm interested in someone explaining the video of Baumgartner falling after 6 seconds, up to 27 seconds by some video that is opposite (not above) him.

All I want to know is...who took this footage and what craft were they using at 128,000 feet?

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

Ummm...  No.  If a pressure suit is allowed to expand, then how is it supposed to keep your body from expanding? 

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When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

Ummm...  No.  If a pressure suit is allowed to expand, then how is it supposed to keep your body from expanding?

It's the air pressure inside the suit that keeps your body from expanding. The same air pressure that expands the bladder which is compressed against the outer cloth which resists allowing the bladder to stretch, thus allowing the air pressure to exert what the body requires.

Think of a car tyre and inner tube. That's your space suit in a fashion.

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Would you please show us a picture of the type of pressure suit your talking about? It sounds like you are describing something completely different from what this guy used.

Those cameras were all on the balloon. There was a tracking camera on the ground too. It's not hard to see there is a boom with a camera facing the hatch.

When you understand why your body is built to withstand the 15psi of air pressure it is under, then you might understand why a pressure suit will need to expand at high altitude where the pressure is extremely low.

As for the camera being on the balloon being the one that took the footage of his supposed speedy fall...you know that's absolute garbage, so try for a better explanation or accept it was faked.

I wish you'd show us a picture do a pressure suit type you are describing.

And I don't understand why you think any of those cameras were fake. You haven't explained that either.

I'm not interested in the cameras that were supposedly on the capsule.

I'm interested in someone explaining the video of Baumgartner falling after 6 seconds, up to 27 seconds by some video that is opposite (not above) him.

All I want to know is...who took this footage and what craft were they using at 128,000 feet?

Are you talking about the film that looks like he is a little white dot? I thought it was obvious it was a ground based camera zoomed in.

You have just posted a decent description of how the pressure suit works. So why do you think his suit will blow up and be tight like a balloon removing creases as you've said?

Think of a car tyre and inner tube. That's your space suit in a fashion.

Exactly.  Now loosely wrap a blanket around the tire and you have the Nomex layer of the pressure suit.  Honestly, I don't understand why you're having such a hard time understanding such a simple concept.

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Think of a car tyre and inner tube. That's your space suit in a fashion.

Exactly.  Now loosely wrap a blanket around the tire and you have the Nomex layer of the pressure suit.  Honestly, I don't understand why you're having such a hard time understanding such a simple concept.

Boom, headshot!

Septic, please  move on from the pressure suit. You're clearly failing this argument.

No need to be rude. I'm sure he just didn't quite understand what was going on with the pressure suit.

But, at least that part has been solved.

No need to be rude. I'm sure he just didn't quite understand what was going on with the pressure suit.

But, at least that part has been solved.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no need to be rude?

I guess you're new to dealing with septic?

Go to 3:54 and observe his suit. Watch the video from that point on and learn from what I've been trying to tell you.
Now go and look at Baumgartners video again. He is NOT under any pressure because it's fake.
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How about you define the mesh that stops the suit showing inflation on the exterior before I show you the actual reality.
Oh and don't think I've forgotton about the 128,000 feet horizontal video of the supposed super mph fall of Baumgartner, either. I'd like an explanation for that which you people conveniently avoid like the plague.

Why don't you do your own research for a change and show us what makes the mesh inadequate.

Now you want to change the subject away from the suit? Are you giving up on your criticism of the suit now?

I've shown you that his suit is not pressurised. That's all anyone needs to know, who cares to question it. You and your likeminded friends are going to defend your stance to keep the scam alive. I understand that.

You've shown nothing but a willingness to make baseless claims about things you have no knowledge of.

Go to 3:54 and observe his suit. Watch the video from that point on and learn from what I've been trying to tell you.
Now go and look at Baumgartners video again. He is NOT under any pressure because it's fake.
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That's Mark Shuttleworth, not Felix Baumgartner.  Felix wore a completely different pressure suit.  Skydivers like to have a nice and loose outer layer that flaps around in the wind.  The extra drag gives them a bit of extra stability and control.

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Go to 3:54 and observe his suit. Watch the video from that point on and learn from what I've been trying to tell you.
Now go and look at Baumgartners video again. He is NOT under any pressure because it's fake.
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That's Mark Shuttleworth, not Felix Baumgartner.  Felix wore a completely different pressure suit.  Skydivers like to have a nice and loose outer layer that flaps around in the wind.  The extra drag gives them a bit of extra stability and control.

What extra drag and stability is this at 128,000 feet?
That's what I'm taking about. I've showed you what a pressurised suit looks like. Deny it all you want. The fact is, this is what would happen to a suit as it approached a near vacuum. There's no getting away from it.
The jump is fake just like Kittingers. The simply reality is no helium balloon is going to take a man and capsule up to that height, first of all.
The balloon on it's own could maybe make it before popping.

Secondly, no human is going to survive that height no matter what suit they are in, in any craft of space suit. It's just not going to happen, ever.
People need to do a little bit of serious thinking as to how they manage to survive living at sea level pressure under 15 psi of pressure to understand why the body is not going to survive altitude or deep sea diving. I'm not talking about a few hundred meter dives, I'm talking about deep sea, no matter what the suit is.

It requires people to start to open up their rational minds and to stop believing in the utter fantasies thought up by hollywood producers.
The lies are kicking you hard in the face, constantly. When is the time gonna come when people say, " that's it, I'm sick of being kicked in the face"...?

The space ruse is exactly that. Nonsense. The high altitude helium stuff, is fantasy.
The deep sea trenches  that humans supposedly go down to in oceans, are fantasy. It's simply hollywood productions, or similar film making nonsense.

The flat screen or box in your living rooms, bedrooms, kitchens or wherever, are hypnotic tools to keep your mind focused on the fantasy that is given out.
There's a reason why people are called ACTORS.

All you are watching, are fantasies being acted out by people paid to deliver it to your psyche. The ones that do it better are the best paid. It's as simple as that.
There's nothing wrong with living out that fantasy world they give you, just don't pretend you know what reality is when you start stating that the fantasy is actual fact.

I have seen positive proof that the brightest minds can easily be fooled. People who use scientific jargon they have studied and memorised and regurgitated to all who listen. They do this with their chests puffed out. They believe what they are saying. They are oblivious to the truth because the truth comes in a plain package. Science does not deal in plain packages, because it's no fun if it's too logical and easy to actually see the truth. It has to be packed in fancy wrapping, then tied and wrapped again till the package is so bulked it will take someone a long long time to get to the reality of what's inside of that.

It's called finding reality by removing truths protective layers.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I have seen positive proof that the brightest minds can easily be fooled. People who use scientific jargon they have studied and memorised and regurgitated to all who listen. They do this with their chests puffed out. They believe what they are saying. They are oblivious to the truth because the truth comes in a plain package. Science does not deal in plain packages, because it's no fun if it's too logical and easy to actually see the truth. It has to be packed in fancy wrapping, then tied and wrapped again till the package is so bulked it will take someone a long long time to get to the reality of what's inside of that.

You don't half talk some shite.

You sound like a 13 year old who thinks he's special because he thinks he's discovered some profound truth that nobody else has seen.  That feeling doesn't last.  Presumably it goes for you every time you walk away from the computer screen and reality bites. 

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I have seen positive proof that the brightest minds can easily be fooled. People who use scientific jargon they have studied and memorised and regurgitated to all who listen. They do this with their chests puffed out. They believe what they are saying. They are oblivious to the truth because the truth comes in a plain package. Science does not deal in plain packages, because it's no fun if it's too logical and easy to actually see the truth. It has to be packed in fancy wrapping, then tied and wrapped again till the package is so bulked it will take someone a long long time to get to the reality of what's inside of that.

You don't half talk some shite.

You sound like a 13 year old who thinks he's special because he thinks he's discovered some profound truth that nobody else has seen.  That feeling doesn't last.  Presumably it goes for you every time you walk away from the computer screen and reality bites.

And yet here you are trying to stifle my thoughts....and failing miserably, I might add.
You should be concentrating on your science, Jimmy rather than trying your damnest to take on a 13 year old. Am I bothering you?

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Quote from: sceptimatic on July 23, 2014, 09:56:46 AM

Go to 3:54 and observe his suit. Watch the video from that point on and learn from what I've been trying to tell you.
Now go and look at Baumgartners video again. He is NOT under any pressure because it's fake.
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That's Mark Shuttleworth, not Felix Baumgartner.  Felix wore a completely different pressure suit.  Skydivers like to have a nice and loose outer layer that flaps around in the wind.  The extra drag gives them a bit of extra stability and control.

What extra drag and stability is this at 128,000 feet?

*sigh*  Once he jumps, he's not going to be at 128,000 feet for very long, is he?

That's what I'm taking about. I've showed you what a pressurised suit looks like. Deny it all you want. The fact is, this is what would happen to a suit as it approached a near vacuum. There's no getting away from it.

I'm not denying what a pressure suit looks like.  All I'm saying is that Felix's suit was designed to have an extra, loose layer on top of the rigid, pressurized layer.  You are the one who is denying this possibility.

Secondly, no human is going to survive that height no matter what suit they are in, in any craft of space suit. It's just not going to happen, ever.

Enen in a suit specifically designed to keep him alive at just such an altitude?

People need to do a little bit of serious thinking as to how they manage to survive living at sea level pressure under 15 psi of pressure to understand why the body is not going to survive altitude or deep sea diving. I'm not talking about a few hundred meter dives, I'm talking about deep sea, no matter what the suit is.

There is a huge difference between going into a low pressure environment (very high altitude) and a high pressure environment (deep sea).  Please stay on topic.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on July 23, 2014, 09:56:46 AM

Go to 3:54 and observe his suit. Watch the video from that point on and learn from what I've been trying to tell you.
Now go and look at Baumgartners video again. He is NOT under any pressure because it's fake.
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That's Mark Shuttleworth, not Felix Baumgartner.  Felix wore a completely different pressure suit.  Skydivers like to have a nice and loose outer layer that flaps around in the wind.  The extra drag gives them a bit of extra stability and control.

What extra drag and stability is this at 128,000 feet?

*sigh*  Once he jumps, he's not going to be at 128,000 feet for very long, is he?

Who cares about the jump. It's getting there. Can't you grasp this?

That's what I'm taking about. I've showed you what a pressurised suit looks like. Deny it all you want. The fact is, this is what would happen to a suit as it approached a near vacuum. There's no getting away from it.

I'm not denying what a pressure suit looks like.  All I'm saying is that Felix's suit was designed to have an extra, loose layer on top of the rigid, pressurized layer.  You are the one who is denying this possibility.

And what I am saying is, look at his movement in that suit. It is not pressurised at all. He is not under any pressure. It's like he is inside a simple suit with all movement, just like someone would be at sea level.

Secondly, no human is going to survive that height no matter what suit they are in, in any craft of space suit. It's just not going to happen, ever.

Enen in a suit specifically designed to keep him alive at just such an altitude?

There is no suit designed to keep anyone alive that that altitude. It's fake. It's a blatant fake. The footage alone should tell anyone that it's fake. The denial is epidemic with people because they refuse to allow themselves to divert from the fantasy given out as real.

People need to do a little bit of serious thinking as to how they manage to survive living at sea level pressure under 15 psi of pressure to understand why the body is not going to survive altitude or deep sea diving. I'm not talking about a few hundred meter dives, I'm talking about deep sea, no matter what the suit is.

There is a huge difference between going into a low pressure environment (very high altitude) and a high pressure environment (deep sea).  Please stay on topic.

Yes, there is a huge difference in terms of opposite pressures but the same thing applies to both. It's impossible for humans to survive.

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I'm not denying what a pressure suit looks like.  All I'm saying is that Felix's suit was designed to have an extra, loose layer on top of the rigid, pressurized layer.  You are the one who is denying this possibility.

And what I am saying is, look at his movement in that suit. It is not pressurised at all. He is not under any pressure. It's like he is inside a simple suit with all movement, just like someone would be at sea level.

How should his movements look?

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Secondly, no human is going to survive that height no matter what suit they are in, in any craft of space suit. It's just not going to happen, ever.

Quote from: markjo on July 23, 2014, 01:20:23 PM

Enen in a suit specifically designed to keep him alive at just such an altitude?

There is no suit designed to keep anyone alive that that altitude. It's fake. It's a blatant fake. The footage alone should tell anyone that it's fake. The denial is epidemic with people because they refuse to allow themselves to divert from the fantasy given out as real.

High altitude pressure suits have been around since at least the 1930s.  Are you saying that in over 80 years of development, no one has yet been able to develop a high altitude pressure suit that that works at 128,000 feet?  And you have the nerve to say that I'm living in denial?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 24, 2014, 04:28:50 AM

People need to do a little bit of serious thinking as to how they manage to survive living at sea level pressure under 15 psi of pressure to understand why the body is not going to survive altitude or deep sea diving. I'm not talking about a few hundred meter dives, I'm talking about deep sea, no matter what the suit is.

Quote from: markjo on July 23, 2014, 01:20:23 PM

There is a huge difference between going into a low pressure environment (very high altitude) and a high pressure environment (deep sea).  Please stay on topic.

Yes, there is a huge difference in terms of opposite pressures but the same thing applies to both. It's impossible for humans to survive.

When diving into the deep ocean, the suit is closer to a man shaped submarine.  When flying into the near vacuum of space, the suit is closer to a man shaped space capsule.  Seriously, why do you have such a hard time believing in technology that has been in constant development for the better part of a century?  It's like saying that you couldn't survive in a high speed train because the wind would be too great and you would suffocate.

How should his movements look?

Very restricted.

High altitude pressure suits have been around since at least the 1930s.  Are you saying that in over 80 years of development, no one has yet been able to develop a high altitude pressure suit that that works at 128,000 feet?  And you have the nerve to say that I'm living in denial?

Who was flying at high altitude in the 1930's?
No one has developed a high altitude suit that works at 128,000 feet because nobody has ever been that high and never will.

When diving into the deep ocean, the suit is closer to a man shaped submarine.  When flying into the near vacuum of space, the suit is closer to a man shaped space capsule.  Seriously, why do you have such a hard time believing in technology that has been in constant development for the better part of a century?  It's like saying that you couldn't survive in a high speed train because the wind would be too great and you would suffocate.

Men can survive in pressure suits and sensible pressures. It's action and reaction in equal measure no matter what you are doing.
Actually if a train could go fast enough, you would suffocate. You would be constricted.
Go and look at a pilot training facility in a centrifuge to see what happens when there's a pressure build up.
It's a shame that people cannot grasp this stuff and simply go with the nonsense spouted off by supposed experts.

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How should his movements look?

Very restricted.

Why?

Quote from: markjo on July 24, 2014, 06:21:56 AM

High altitude pressure suits have been around since at least the 1930s.  Are you saying that in over 80 years of development, no one has yet been able to develop a high altitude pressure suit that that works at 128,000 feet?  And you have the nerve to say that I'm living in denial?

Who was flying at high altitude in the 1930's?

Wiley Post, for one.

Quote from: markjo on July 24, 2014, 06:21:56 AM

When diving into the deep ocean, the suit is closer to a man shaped submarine.  When flying into the near vacuum of space, the suit is closer to a man shaped space capsule.  Seriously, why do you have such a hard time believing in technology that has been in constant development for the better part of a century?  It's like saying that you couldn't survive in a high speed train because the wind would be too great and you would suffocate.

Men can survive in pressure suits and sensible pressures. It's action and reaction in equal measure no matter what you are doing.

Hmmm....  Does this mean that we're making progress?  I suppose that the only thing left is to figure out what could be considered "sensible pressures".

Actually if a train could go fast enough, you would suffocate. You would be constricted.
Go and look at a pilot training facility in a centrifuge to see what happens when there's a pressure build up.
It's a shame that people cannot grasp this stuff and simply go with the nonsense spouted off by supposed experts.

It's also a shame that you can't grasp the difference between speed and acceleration.