So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #570 on: September 30, 2014, 02:18:28 PM »
Why would you assume what scepti knows?  Does he not have a history of completely subverting what you would expect a sane person to know?

I'm trying to be objective, but Scepti does seem to have an agenda that is beyond truth-seeking.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #571 on: September 30, 2014, 02:19:55 PM »
Why would you assume what scepti knows?  Does he not have a history of completely subverting what you would expect a sane person to know?

I'm trying to be objective, but Scepti does seem to have an agenda that is beyond truth-seeking.

He has stated unequivocally that his agenda is to destroy globular belief.  This obviously has nothing to do with championing the truth.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #572 on: September 30, 2014, 02:51:48 PM »
Why would you assume what scepti knows?  Does he not have a history of completely subverting what you would expect a sane person to know?

I'm trying to be objective, but Scepti does seem to have an agenda that is beyond truth-seeking.

He has stated unequivocally that his agenda is to destroy globular belief.  This obviously has nothing to do with championing the truth.

I missed that one, but I'm not surprised. He's fighting a losing battle, but whatever floats his boat, I guess...

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #573 on: October 01, 2014, 01:07:43 AM »
Why prolong this discussion, clearly Sceptical knows the answers.

I agree totally.  It never ceases to bemuse me how it is that every thread sceptimatic gets involved with turns into a totally absurd, off-topic, illogical shambles.  And worse, the moderation—or lack of—lets him get away with it time and again.

sceptimatic has still to address the OP claim that Buzz Aldrin has lost the plot.  Admittedly Aldrin overreacted to a particular reporter—who's known for his confrontational, invasive style—but then most of us would've in that particular scenario.  Considering Aldrin's academic qualifications—a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering—coupled with the strict NASA astronaut selection program, it's extremely unlikely that he could be "brainwashed".  It's far more likely that the uneducated and/or undisciplined hoi-polloi (such as sceptimatic?) could be, or are in fact, brainwashed.

And to remind people of sceptimatic's very first response to the OP regarding Aldrin's media performances... "TV actors do it all the time. They follow a script for a decent pay day and celebrity life".  How did Aldrin manage to "act" his way into getting a science degree?


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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #574 on: October 01, 2014, 01:41:05 AM »
Why prolong this discussion, clearly Sceptical knows the answers.

I agree totally.  It never ceases to bemuse me how it is that every thread sceptimatic gets involved with turns into a totally absurd, off-topic, illogical shambles.  And worse, the moderation—or lack of—lets him get away with it time and again.

sceptimatic has still to address the OP claim that Buzz Aldrin has lost the plot.  Admittedly Aldrin overreacted to a particular reporter—who's known for his confrontational, invasive style—but then most of us would've in that particular scenario.  Considering Aldrin's academic qualifications—a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering—coupled with the strict NASA astronaut selection program, it's extremely unlikely that he could be "brainwashed".  It's far more likely that the uneducated and/or undisciplined hoi-polloi (such as sceptimatic?) could be, or are in fact, brainwashed.

And to remind people of sceptimatic's very first response to the OP regarding Aldrin's media performances... "TV actors do it all the time. They follow a script for a decent pay day and celebrity life".  How did Aldrin manage to "act" his way into getting a science degree?
Let me know what science degrees you require, Geoffrey and I'll print them out for you on official looking paper. This will then make you look extremely educated in the sciences of this world and out of it, if you so wish.
Having said that, I'm quite sure that there are people out there that can even make degrees look a whole lot more official. Maybe Buzz has a few of those, eh?

Buzz acted his way through the Apollo shenanigans, so it's highly....no, it's extremely plausible that his acting came with promises of a lifetime of fame, topped off with a few letters against his name.
How hard is that, Geoffrey?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #575 on: October 01, 2014, 02:18:51 AM »
Let me know what science degrees you require, Geoffrey and I'll print them out for you on official looking paper. This will then make you look extremely educated in the sciences of this world and out of it, if you so wish.
Having said that, I'm quite sure that there are people out there that can even make degrees look a whole lot more official. Maybe Buzz has a few of those, eh?

Buzz acted his way through the Apollo shenanigans, so it's highly....no, it's extremely plausible that his acting came with promises of a lifetime of fame, topped off with a few letters against his name.
How hard is that, Geoffrey?


So now you're claiming that Aldrin's science degree is bogus sceptimatic?  Do you have any viable evidence to support this allegation, or are you just guessing?

According to the records of the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in Houston, Dr Aldrin received a bachelor of science degree in 1951 from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, graduating third in his class; and a doctorate of science in Astronautics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge. His thesis was "Guidance for Manned Orbital Rendezvous." Aldrin also has honorary degrees from six colleges and universities.

If you feel that you can challenge any of these academic accreditations of Aldrin's my friend, then go for it.

And whilst you're at it, can you please tell me what academic qualifications (of the 13 you claimed earlier) are science based?  And what institutions of learning you attained them at?


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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #576 on: October 01, 2014, 02:39:36 AM »
So now you're claiming that Aldrin's science degree is bogus sceptimatic?  Do you have any viable evidence to support this allegation, or are you just guessing?
I'm assuming.
According to the records of the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in Houston, Dr Aldrin received a bachelor of science degree in 1951 from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, graduating third in his class; and a doctorate of science in Astronautics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge.
According to the records at N.A.S.A, they went to the moon and put rovers on mars, etc, so I would imagine there will be a whole host of shite in the records department.

 
His thesis was "Guidance for Manned Orbital Rendezvous." Aldrin also has honorary degrees from six colleges and universities.
Is this the same contraption that he supposedly landed on the moon with?...is it the same contraption that he supposedly lifted off the moon with by jamming his PEN into a broken circuit board that just happened to be the switch to ignite the engine for lift off, for which he had to work in unison with Armstrong to make sure they managed to fire it up?
Now who in the hell can give out a degree for this stuff?..surely the only people that can possibly give out a degree (assuming it was all real, which it's not) would be the actual actornauts themselves, because they were the only ones to have supposedly done this stuff.
If you feel that you can challenge any of these academic accreditations of Aldrin's my friend, then go for it.
"Hello Buzz, do you have these qualifications?"...Buzz: "sure, here's my certificates."...ermmm, nahh, I can't challenge that and I also can't challenge what he would explain. Why?...because he's explaining a fantasy.
And whilst you're at it, can you please tell me what academic qualifications (of the 13 you claimed earlier) are science based?  And what institutions of learning you attained them at?
I didn't claim anything - you just interpreted it as me having 13 academic qualifications.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #577 on: October 01, 2014, 02:54:33 AM »
And whilst you're at it, can you please tell me what academic qualifications (of the 13 you claimed earlier) are science based?  And what institutions of learning you attained them at?

I didn't claim anything - you just interpreted it as me having 13 academic qualifications.

Oh dear.  Your lies have caught you out.  Again.

On September 22, 2014, 08:13:21 AM I asked you:  "Can you tell me then what academic qualifications make you suitable for carrying out this research?"

On September 22, 2014, 07:40:52 AM you responded by saying:  "I have 13 actually".

In order to be a competent liar sceptimatic, you also need to have a good memory LOL.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #578 on: October 01, 2014, 03:01:45 AM »
And whilst you're at it, can you please tell me what academic qualifications (of the 13 you claimed earlier) are science based?  And what institutions of learning you attained them at?

I didn't claim anything - you just interpreted it as me having 13 academic qualifications.

Oh dear.  Your lies have caught you out.  Again.

On September 22, 2014, 08:13:21 AM I asked you:  "Can you tell me then what academic qualifications make you suitable for carrying out this research?"

On September 22, 2014, 07:40:52 AM you responded by saying:  "I have 13 actually".

In order to be a competent liar sceptimatic, you also need to have a good memory LOL.
I have a very good memory. I know exactly what I typed. I typed what you said. What I didn't type is "academic qualifications"...you typed that. I just said, I have 13 actually.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #579 on: October 01, 2014, 06:06:35 AM »
Which was an apparent answer to the question. Either you were lying about having 13 degrees or you were lying about answering his question. So all we know for sure is you are a liar. I would add disrespectful, but AusGeoff does not really demand respect.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #580 on: October 01, 2014, 06:55:46 AM »
So now you're claiming that Aldrin's science degree is bogus sceptimatic?  Do you have any viable evidence to support this allegation, or are you just guessing?
I'm assuming.
Because your assumptions are never wrong. ::)

His thesis was "Guidance for Manned Orbital Rendezvous." Aldrin also has honorary degrees from six colleges and universities.
Is this the same contraption that he supposedly landed on the moon with?...is it the same contraption that he supposedly lifted off the moon with by jamming his PEN into a broken circuit board that just happened to be the switch to ignite the engine for lift off, for which he had to work in unison with Armstrong to make sure they managed to fire it up?
What the th*rk are you talking about?  Do you even understand what "orbital rendezvous" means?  Orbital rendezvous isn't a "contraption", it's a process.  Namely the process of getting 2 space craft to meet while in orbit. 

Now who in the hell can give out a degree for this stuff?..surely the only people that can possibly give out a degree (assuming it was all real, which it's not) would be the actual actornauts themselves, because they were the only ones to have supposedly done this stuff.
Huh?  Scepti, are you confused by big words like "astronautics" and "rendezvous"?  If so, then it's okay to look them up.  You don't need to be an astronaut to understand how space flight works.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #581 on: October 01, 2014, 07:07:38 AM »
Which was an apparent answer to the question. Either you were lying about having 13 degrees or you were lying about answering his question. So all we know for sure is you are a liar. I would add disrespectful, but AusGeoff does not really demand respect.
To be absolutely, totally  and utterly honest with you, as far as what you could possibly accept as honesty - I don't give a toss what you think.  ;D

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #582 on: October 01, 2014, 07:16:50 AM »
So now you're claiming that Aldrin's science degree is bogus sceptimatic?  Do you have any viable evidence to support this allegation, or are you just guessing?
I'm assuming.
Because your assumptions are never wrong. ::)
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Of course I can be wrong.
His thesis was "Guidance for Manned Orbital Rendezvous." Aldrin also has honorary degrees from six colleges and universities.
Is this the same contraption that he supposedly landed on the moon with?...is it the same contraption that he supposedly lifted off the moon with by jamming his PEN into a broken circuit board that just happened to be the switch to ignite the engine for lift off, for which he had to work in unison with Armstrong to make sure they managed to fire it up?
What the th*rk are you talking about?  Do you even understand what "orbital rendezvous" means?  Orbital rendezvous isn't a "contraption", it's a process.  Namely the process of getting 2 space craft to meet while in orbit.
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The same thing apllies, Markjo. Who has the authority to dish out a certificate? The only people that are capable of doing so (for anything real) would be people who know why they are dishing out diplomas or whatever they want to call it - as in, those who know first hand and are experts in that field, which (if true, which it isn't) could only be dished out by the actual astronauts themselves.
 

Now who in the hell can give out a degree for this stuff?..surely the only people that can possibly give out a degree (assuming it was all real, which it's not) would be the actual actornauts themselves, because they were the only ones to have supposedly done this stuff.
Huh?  Scepti, are you confused by big words like "astronautics" and "rendezvous"?  If so, then it's okay to look them up.  You don't need to be an astronaut to understand how space flight works.
Of course you don't need to be an astronaut to know how space flight works. You can just write any script you want and it's accepted. It's accepted because nobody knows any different than what theya re told, except for those that are playing the part in the fantasy story. A book or script turned into a film of fantasy, known as sci-fi. Look up sci-fi if you don't understand what it is.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #583 on: October 01, 2014, 07:27:31 AM »
So now you're claiming that Aldrin's science degree is bogus sceptimatic?  Do you have any viable evidence to support this allegation, or are you just guessing?
I'm assuming.
Because your assumptions are never wrong. ::)
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Of course I can be wrong.
His thesis was "Guidance for Manned Orbital Rendezvous." Aldrin also has honorary degrees from six colleges and universities.
Is this the same contraption that he supposedly landed on the moon with?...is it the same contraption that he supposedly lifted off the moon with by jamming his PEN into a broken circuit board that just happened to be the switch to ignite the engine for lift off, for which he had to work in unison with Armstrong to make sure they managed to fire it up?
What the th*rk are you talking about?  Do you even understand what "orbital rendezvous" means?  Orbital rendezvous isn't a "contraption", it's a process.  Namely the process of getting 2 space craft to meet while in orbit.
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The same thing apllies, Markjo. Who has the authority to dish out a certificate? The only people that are capable of doing so (for anything real) would be people who know why they are dishing out diplomas or whatever they want to call it - as in, those who know first hand and are experts in that field, which (if true, which it isn't) could only be dished out by the actual astronauts themselves.
 

Now who in the hell can give out a degree for this stuff?..surely the only people that can possibly give out a degree (assuming it was all real, which it's not) would be the actual actornauts themselves, because they were the only ones to have supposedly done this stuff.
Huh?  Scepti, are you confused by big words like "astronautics" and "rendezvous"?  If so, then it's okay to look them up.  You don't need to be an astronaut to understand how space flight works.
Of course you don't need to be an astronaut to know how space flight works. You can just write any script you want and it's accepted. It's accepted because nobody knows any different than what theya re told, except for those that are playing the part in the fantasy story. A book or script turned into a film of fantasy, known as sci-fi. Look up sci-fi if you don't understand what it is.

Scepti: Just because you think that all this is sci-fi doesn't make it sci-fi. It goes on without your affirmation.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #584 on: October 01, 2014, 07:30:06 AM »
This question was posted yesterday but may have gotten lost in the banter. I'd still like to know the answer.

I never mentioned a personal space flight. Read what I said. I said, all I need for proof, is to see astronauts get into a rocket with me being as close as possible to it, watching them enter it and be locked inside, then launch. That's all I would need. As far as I know, it should be easy to achieve on a small budget, as in simply travelling expenses to the launch area and the usage of their ultra brilliant optics to ensure I see enough evidence with my own eyes in REAL time.
How's your Russian?  Since they're about the only ones currently sending up astronauts (cosmonauts) on a regular basis, you might want to talk with them to see what they can do to hook you up.  As I recall, they also let observers a lot closer to the launch pad than the Americans do.
As you recall? who actually told you this?
Also, assuming you know the score about it all, can I view the cosmonauts actaully getting into the rocket with my own eyes and watch them take off, with my own eyes - not by looking at a screen, but by looking in real time in open air through binoculars or something?
Standing me a few miles away with a magnifying glass will not convince me of anything.

So, back to the discussion at hand, does this mean you would be satisfied if you had direct line of sight from a distance of perhaps a couple kms and could watch the whole proceedings through binoculars?
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #585 on: October 01, 2014, 07:39:38 AM »
Of course you don't need to be an astronaut to know how space flight works. You can just write any script you want and it's accepted. It's accepted because nobody knows any different than what theya re told, except for those that are playing the part in the fantasy story.
So, who granted you your 13 and what part to they play in your fantasy story?

A book or script turned into a film of fantasy, known as sci-fi. Look up sci-fi if you don't understand what it is.
Obviously you don't realize how much real science goes into good science fiction.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #586 on: October 01, 2014, 08:00:00 AM »
Scepti: Just because you think that all this is sci-fi doesn't make it sci-fi. It goes on without your affirmation.
Of course. I agree. My thoughts are merely my thoughts based on what I read, what I see in footage (official) and experiments of my own that casts massive doubt on a lot of stuff given out.
I don't expect you, nor care whether you discount anything I say...it's what I think that counts...to me.
All I can do is maybe nudge the odd person to start questioning what they've basically believed their whole lives. Most never will...I understand that. Most forum goers will immediately jump into scientific mode and copy rebuttals from the internet as arguments against anything that goes against indoctrinated sciences.

Some...very few, are intrigued enough to actually say, " ahhh to hell with it, I'll look into alternatives as an experiment."
Out of those - some will have their heads turned, then start to become sceptical at first, then the more delving and thinking they do, they will also come to the conclusion that - at the very very least - they have been given dis-info/mis-info on certain aspects.

If you can question one thing - just one - you owe it to yourselves to understand that one can lead to many.
Most people, even those that  are basically oblivious to a lot of mainstream views, see a lot of things that even they question. It could be something insignificant. The point is, though, it doesn't matter how insignificant anything is. If it been told as a truth but gets later found out as a mis-info lie, then the leopard does not change it's spots.

As I said earlier, you make your own choice. You can believe every last letter that comes out officially for all I care. I choose not to - not because I simply do it out of being different or wanting to be some kind of rebel. I do it because I genuinely see a hell of a lot of stuff that not only looks faked, it stinks to high heaven of fakery.

The mere fact that intelligent people can not question this stuff after sifting through it, astounds me to be fair. Obviously there's varying reasons for this. The most obvious is the length of the indoctrinated drill bit that has been drilled deep into people's minds about official so called facts.

Let's look at it in a simplified way as to how easy it is to go with the flow of things.
As you grow up, your father tells you that he was a spy. He tells you all kinds of stories but swearing you to secrecy with each story, telling you that his life depends on people not talking. He tells you that because you are his son, you deserve to know. Your father simply works away in some far out country - sa, say, an engineer and feels he can tell you stuff like this because his time away makes him believable and after all it's only a fantasy for his kid to believe.
As you grow up, you have a head full of these stories. You have a basic picture in your mind as to how your father done his work.

Later on in life, your father passes away - then you start to recall his stories - but now feel that you can use those stories to tell people.
You stand at the dinner table among guests and tell a few stories about what your father done.
Everyone at the table is intrigued until one person says,  "sorry son but your father wasn't a spy, he was an engineer."
No matter what...your reaction to that would be to take it as a total insult and probably eject the person who said it for being disrespectful.
That person could say, " I heard he worked with (insert a name) and he told me."
You wouldn't listen, you would simply put it down to the man being jealous of the stories or simply a denier for the sake of it.

Now I'm putting that out as an idea as to how the public at large can be sold a story. Not just one story, but a whole host if necessary.
You buy one, you get one free.

It's piss easy to dupe the wider public...and once you have the wider public's attention, you have no worries about pockets of non-believers, because the nature of the beast ensures that ridicule and scorn are in order for all those that attempt to gather the real story.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #587 on: October 01, 2014, 08:04:53 AM »
You keep talking about your experiments...  Could you finally show us your data that you have gathered on your frozen lake bed experiment and how it was set up?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #588 on: October 01, 2014, 08:10:50 AM »
This question was posted yesterday but may have gotten lost in the banter. I'd still like to know the answer.

So, back to the discussion at hand, does this mean you would be satisfied if you had direct line of sight from a distance of perhaps a couple kms and could watch the whole proceedings through binoculars?


If I could clearly see astronauts get inside a rocket with no means of escape and saw that rocket simply take off, I would never question space again.

Now, having said that, you can clearly come back with, " well you can go here and there and watch it." Or like markjo said about the Russian visitor carry on.
It's easily said but no one can prove you get a view that I would need to satisfy my need for proof.

I see people on here, time after time, mention N.A.S.A this and that and not one of them has a clue what the hell goes on there. Not one. Just hot air.

I naturally don't know either, so it's back to either believing official lines or questioning them.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #589 on: October 01, 2014, 08:15:44 AM »
You keep talking about your experiments...  Could you finally show us your data that you have gathered on your frozen lake bed experiment and how it was set up?
I already did. You all had your chance to pm me and only 2 took it up, so ask them.
The people who got the relevant stuff are scientists, 4 of who want to re-enact it this November.
Now I'm not interested in the slightest what you think of this. In-fact, just read it and don't reply to it, because that's all I'm saying on this subject as it's already been done. Look it up.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #590 on: October 01, 2014, 08:30:58 AM »
If I could clearly see astronauts get inside a rocket with no means of escape and saw that rocket simply take off, I would never question space again.

Now, having said that, you can clearly come back with, " well you can go here and there and watch it." Or like markjo said about the Russian visitor carry on.
It's easily said but no one can prove you get a view that I would need to satisfy my need for proof.
Other than the astronauts/cosmonauts being launched, there are probably no individuals involved in the launch process that would see every step of the process that would satisfy your requirements.  So, I guess your only options are to either take the astronaut's word for it (which I'm sure will never happen) or spend the $40-60 million (or what ever the going rate is these days) to be launched into orbit yourself.  Even then, I'm sure that you'd find some way of crying foul.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #591 on: October 01, 2014, 08:48:43 AM »
If I could clearly see astronauts get inside a rocket with no means of escape and saw that rocket simply take off, I would never question space again.

Now, having said that, you can clearly come back with, " well you can go here and there and watch it." Or like markjo said about the Russian visitor carry on.
It's easily said but no one can prove you get a view that I would need to satisfy my need for proof.
Other than the astronauts/cosmonauts being launched, there are probably no individuals involved in the launch process that would see every step of the process that would satisfy your requirements.  So, I guess your only options are to either take the astronaut's word for it (which I'm sure will never happen) or spend the $40-60 million (or what ever the going rate is these days) to be launched into orbit yourself.  Even then, I'm sure that you'd find some way of crying foul.
Oh I'd cry foul, markjo, for sure, but it would be for a reason.
Let me put this to you and try and answer it in a totally unbiased way. Don;t take it as a question from me, just take it as a general thought.

You know a fighter jet can go ballistic right? You know that the pilot/s can pass out due to the intense speed or what we are told is the G force.
We are talking a speed of around 1000mph or less and these pilots are close to passing out.
Imagine sticking them inside a rocket going 20,000 mph. What mechanism is in place to stop them from not just passing out but actually dying?
 
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #592 on: October 01, 2014, 08:53:50 AM »
You keep talking about your experiments...  Could you finally show us your data that you have gathered on your frozen lake bed experiment and how it was set up?
I already did. You all had your chance to pm me and only 2 took it up, so ask them.
The people who got the relevant stuff are scientists, 4 of who want to re-enact it this November.
Now I'm not interested in the slightest what you think of this. In-fact, just read it and don't reply to it, because that's all I'm saying on this subject as it's already been done. Look it up.
I just don't understand the secrecy that you have?  If it is such an "Earth Flattening" experiment, why not make a webpage devoted to it explaining in detail with results.

Also, the reason I never pm'd you is because you put the stipulation that I couldn't discuss what was contained in the pm, you wouldn't even let me acknowledge that I had recieved a pm from you or not.  That is not how I operate.  If we are discussing something on a public section of the forum, I will ask questions about it on the public forum.  I will not move it to private pm.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #593 on: October 01, 2014, 08:59:40 AM »
If I could clearly see astronauts get inside a rocket with no means of escape and saw that rocket simply take off, I would never question space again.

Now, having said that, you can clearly come back with, " well you can go here and there and watch it." Or like markjo said about the Russian visitor carry on.
It's easily said but no one can prove you get a view that I would need to satisfy my need for proof.
Other than the astronauts/cosmonauts being launched, there are probably no individuals involved in the launch process that would see every step of the process that would satisfy your requirements.  So, I guess your only options are to either take the astronaut's word for it (which I'm sure will never happen) or spend the $40-60 million (or what ever the going rate is these days) to be launched into orbit yourself.  Even then, I'm sure that you'd find some way of crying foul.
Oh I'd cry foul, markjo, for sure, but it would be for a reason.
Let me put this to you and try and answer it in a totally unbiased way. Don;t take it as a question from me, just take it as a general thought.

You know a fighter jet can go ballistic right? You know that the pilot/s can pass out due to the intense speed or what we are told is the G force.
We are talking a speed of around 1000mph or less and these pilots are close to passing out.
Imagine sticking them inside a rocket going 20,000 mph. What mechanism is in place to stop them from not just passing out but actually dying?
Because the G-force is unit of acceleration.  If you are accelerated at 1 G, it is equivalent of the same force that is holding you to the ground.  2 G it is twice that much.  If you weighed 100 lbs, under a 2 G acceleration, you would feel like you weigh 200 lbs.  SO if you accelerated to 20,000 mph slow enough, you would not feel the same acceleration, or G force, as say a fighter pilot making a hairpin turn at 1000 mph. 

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #594 on: October 01, 2014, 09:02:57 AM »
You keep talking about your experiments...  Could you finally show us your data that you have gathered on your frozen lake bed experiment and how it was set up?
I already did. You all had your chance to pm me and only 2 took it up, so ask them.
The people who got the relevant stuff are scientists, 4 of who want to re-enact it this November.
Now I'm not interested in the slightest what you think of this. In-fact, just read it and don't reply to it, because that's all I'm saying on this subject as it's already been done. Look it up.
I just don't understand the secrecy that you have?  If it is such an "Earth Flattening" experiment, why not make a webpage devoted to it explaining in detail with results.

Also, the reason I never pm'd you is because you put the stipulation that I couldn't discuss what was contained in the pm, you wouldn't even let me acknowledge that I had recieved a pm from you or not.  That is not how I operate.  If we are discussing something on a public section of the forum, I will ask questions about it on the public forum.  I will not move it to private pm.
Well I'm sure you can understand why I chose to put it to pm and give stipulations.
To put it in the forum would instigate a stampede of globuloids to immediately go on the ridicule and basically bury it.
Don't attempt to say it wouldn't happen, because it would. Remember, there's a lot of people on here with more of an agenda than just arguing for a global Earth.

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sceptimatic

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #595 on: October 01, 2014, 09:07:54 AM »
Because the G-force is unit of acceleration.  If you are accelerated at 1 G, it is equivalent of the same force that is holding you to the ground.  2 G it is twice that much.  If you weighed 100 lbs, under a 2 G acceleration, you would feel like you weigh 200 lbs.  SO if you accelerated to 20,000 mph slow enough, you would not feel the same acceleration, or G force, as say a fighter pilot making a hairpin turn at 1000 mph.
Are you trying to tell me that a rocket flies into space under slower acceleration than a figher jet accelerates going ballistic? Seriously?

Let me put this simply. A rocket burns it's fuel extremely fast, so assuming we go along with the bullshit about rockets getting to space, then the rocket must accelerate to immense speed to actually get there before it expends all of it's fuel. It's not going to do that by tiptoeing up there.
Come on man, use your common sense.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #596 on: October 01, 2014, 09:12:17 AM »
You keep talking about your experiments...  Could you finally show us your data that you have gathered on your frozen lake bed experiment and how it was set up?
I already did. You all had your chance to pm me and only 2 took it up, so ask them.
The people who got the relevant stuff are scientists, 4 of who want to re-enact it this November.
Now I'm not interested in the slightest what you think of this. In-fact, just read it and don't reply to it, because that's all I'm saying on this subject as it's already been done. Look it up.
I just don't understand the secrecy that you have?  If it is such an "Earth Flattening" experiment, why not make a webpage devoted to it explaining in detail with results.

Also, the reason I never pm'd you is because you put the stipulation that I couldn't discuss what was contained in the pm, you wouldn't even let me acknowledge that I had recieved a pm from you or not.  That is not how I operate.  If we are discussing something on a public section of the forum, I will ask questions about it on the public forum.  I will not move it to private pm.
Well I'm sure you can understand why I chose to put it to pm and give stipulations.
To put it in the forum would instigate a stampede of globuloids to immediately go on the ridicule and basically bury it.
Don't attempt to say it wouldn't happen, because it would. Remember, there's a lot of people on here with more of an agenda than just arguing for a global Earth.
No, I can't understand why you wouldn't discuss it on the open forum. You have no trouble discussing you other views on the open forum why do you have trouble discussing an experiment that you supposedly did and supports your views that you do discuss on here. 

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sceptimatic

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #597 on: October 01, 2014, 09:17:48 AM »

No, I can't understand why you wouldn't discuss it on the open forum. You have no trouble discussing you other views on the open forum why do you have trouble discussing an experiment that you supposedly did and supports your views that you do discuss on here.
Don't worry about it, it got immediately rejected as usual by those that appear to know better and also ridiculed. It's in the hands of people who actually do know better and will be  testing it for their own proof, of which I'm quite happy about.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #598 on: October 01, 2014, 09:20:01 AM »

You know a fighter jet can go ballistic right? You know that the pilot/s can pass out due to the intense speed or what we are told is the G force.
We are talking a speed of around 1000mph or less and these pilots are close to passing out.
Imagine sticking them inside a rocket going 20,000 mph. What mechanism is in place to stop them from not just passing out but actually dying?
You don't understand g-force.  It is an acceleration.  You could be traveling at 1,000,000,0000 mph and, as long as you didn't accelerate, you will experience no g-force.

On the other hand, you could go from 5 mph to 10 mph in a very short space of time and experience extreme g-force.  During a high speed  car crash, for example, you might experience 100g.

You own a Bugatti don't you?  They do 0-100kph in 2.4s and you will get 1.55g.  Although once you have hit 100kph and are cruising, then g will be zero. 

The maximum you will get on the space shuttle is 3g.  Some rollercoasters let you experiance >6g.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #599 on: October 01, 2014, 09:22:05 AM »
Because the G-force is unit of acceleration.  If you are accelerated at 1 G, it is equivalent of the same force that is holding you to the ground.  2 G it is twice that much.  If you weighed 100 lbs, under a 2 G acceleration, you would feel like you weigh 200 lbs.  SO if you accelerated to 20,000 mph slow enough, you would not feel the same acceleration, or G force, as say a fighter pilot making a hairpin turn at 1000 mph.
Are you trying to tell me that a rocket flies into space under slower acceleration than a figher jet accelerates going ballistic? Seriously?

Let me put this simply. A rocket burns it's fuel extremely fast, so assuming we go along with the bullshit about rockets getting to space, then the rocket must accelerate to immense speed to actually get there before it expends all of it's fuel. It's not going to do that by tiptoeing up there.
Come on man, use your common sense.

Are you trying to tell me you don't understand that going from 1000 mph in one direction to 1000 mph in another in a matter seconds is a greater acceleration that reaching up to 20000 mph in a matter of 8 minutes or so?