So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #180 on: August 12, 2014, 09:58:52 AM »
There is no water on the moon.  Checkmate!
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #181 on: August 12, 2014, 10:10:10 AM »
There is no water on the moon.  Checkmate!

That's crazy. There are seas on the Moon, duh. ::)
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« Reply #182 on: August 12, 2014, 12:27:15 PM »
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« Reply #183 on: August 12, 2014, 04:36:44 PM »
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #184 on: August 12, 2014, 06:34:38 PM »
Welcome Murrays mint. One thing to keep in mind is that FED is a board for serious debate, only. 

FYI, TFES takes Earth shape most seriously. There are very good reasons to conclude the Earth is flat, as you will discover.

I remind you that RET spans but a snippet in time that has creatively captured many followers via a lock on education. Starting from a young age we are mostly exposed to RET.  Look beyond the closed doors and windows of the science lab and you will be surprised.     

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #185 on: August 12, 2014, 07:44:42 PM »
Welcome Murrays mint. One thing to keep in mind is that FED is a board for serious debate, only. 

FYI, TFES takes Earth shape most seriously. There are very good reasons to conclude the Earth is flat, as you will discover.

I remind you that RET spans but a snippet in time that has creatively captured many followers via a lock on education. Starting from a young age we are mostly exposed to RET.  Look beyond the closed doors and windows of the science lab and you will be surprised.   

Here are some other things that the world's educators expose us to starting from a young age:

1) 2+2=4
2) Water is made of 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom
3) The universe is billions of years old

And there is a good reason why we are taught these things, which happens to be the same reason we are taught the earth is round.  It's because... well, no, I'll let you figure it out.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #186 on: August 12, 2014, 08:07:24 PM »
Welcome Murrays mint. One thing to keep in mind is that FED is a board for serious debate, only. 

FYI, TFES takes Earth shape most seriously. There are very good reasons to conclude the Earth is flat, as you will discover.

I remind you that RET spans but a snippet in time that has creatively captured many followers via a lock on education. Starting from a young age we are mostly exposed to RET.  Look beyond the closed doors and windows of the science lab and you will be surprised.   

I don't see how you can seriously say this when, during a time when the RCC had an iron grip on "education" in large parts of the world (which was practically church sanctioned indoctrination), and their position was that the Earth was the center of the Universe, somehow the revolutionary ideas of Giordano Bruno, Copernicus and Galileo managed to take hold. Not to mention that the idea of a Round Earth went back to Aristotle at least.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #187 on: August 12, 2014, 08:58:21 PM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #188 on: August 12, 2014, 09:07:21 PM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.
You ever think that there were seconds of fuel left that was allocated for landing yet still had fuel left allocated for lift off from the moon?  Or that maybe the landing thrusters were a separate system than what was used to lift off from the moon?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #189 on: August 13, 2014, 12:38:38 AM »
Welcome Murrays mint. One thing to keep in mind is that FED is a board for serious debate, only. 

FYI, TFES takes Earth shape most seriously. There are very good reasons to conclude the Earth is flat, as you will discover.

I remind you that RET spans but a snippet in time that has creatively captured many followers via a lock on education. Starting from a young age we are mostly exposed to RET.  Look beyond the closed doors and windows of the science lab and you will be surprised.   

As a round earther I take your point about the flat earthers taking the shape of the earth seriously in these forums gotham.  I usually comment and/or respond with that in mind, but despite that, certain flat earthers here seem intent on disrupting any sort of ongoing intelligent debate.  And I'm sure you know exactly whom I mean LOL.  In fact I was disappointed that my "Moebius band within a toroidal atmospheric model" didn't draw more comment from the flat earthers here as a possible solution to a few existing flat earth problems.

I have to take you to task however when you claim that the round earth "theory" spans but a "snippet" in time.  The earliest evidence for a spherical earth comes from ancient Greek sources;  Pythagoras first theorised that the earth was spherical and that it revolved around the sun around 500BCE or more than 2,500 years ago.  Hardly a snippet in time I would've thought.

The reason that we're taught that the earth is spherical from an early age at school is simply because it's the scientific status quo, and has been for at least 400 years.  Your implication that the sciences are closeted behind closed doors is without any viable evidence.  I think you may be confusing religion with science?  Science is anything but a closed shop;  it's continually revisiting and revising its own theories as time passes—and our knowledge of our universe increases accordingly.

Whereas the flat earthers seem mostly to reference the outdated, pseudo-scientific notions of a lay preacher who wrote a 16-page pamphlet 150 years ago—a mere snippet in time some would say.


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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #190 on: August 13, 2014, 01:30:15 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.
Have you had a blow to the head recently?
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #191 on: August 13, 2014, 02:30:49 AM »
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #192 on: August 13, 2014, 04:06:20 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #193 on: August 13, 2014, 04:56:45 AM »
Welcome Murrays mint. One thing to keep in mind is that FED is a board for serious debate, only. 

FYI, TFES takes Earth shape most seriously. There are very good reasons to conclude the Earth is flat, as you will discover.

I remind you that RET spans but a snippet in time that has creatively captured many followers via a lock on education. Starting from a young age we are mostly exposed to RET.  Look beyond the closed doors and windows of the science lab and you will be surprised.   

Well I'd be amazed if The Flat Earth Society didn't take the earth's shape seriously... You've built a whole society around it.

That snippet in time is over 2000 years, compared to our time on this planet I'd certainly say that's more than a snippet.

I will try my best to debate in a serious manner but honestly, I had no idea people genuinely still believed this sort of thing, I'm quite stunned.

So you say there are some very good reasons to conclude the earth is flat... I would love to hear some of these!

Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #194 on: August 13, 2014, 05:03:43 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.
Yer its just crazy talk , thinking  any Government  would fake a moon landing & not spend all that collected tax payers money on a real landing instead of a ten year war .    " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #195 on: August 13, 2014, 05:44:14 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.
So you have no reason to think it's impossible to get to the moon without running out of fuel, and instead just made up the claim. Got it.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #196 on: August 13, 2014, 06:12:24 AM »
Well I'd be amazed if The Flat Earth Society didn't take the earth's shape seriously
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #197 on: August 13, 2014, 06:49:40 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.
Yer its just crazy talk , thinking  any Government  would fake a moon landing & not spend all that collected tax payers money on a real landing instead of a ten year war .    " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Nah mate.  I never said crazy, I said vapid.  Claiming that the moon landing is unbelievable because of a sound bite talking about fuel levels is about as superficial as you can get and still be on topic.

However, you sarcastic incredulity is -very- persuasive.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #198 on: August 13, 2014, 06:50:29 AM »
Can you please copy/paste your calculations? I do not see them in the link. I'm most interested in the thrust per engine you used and the efficiency of the engines that you used.  Also the burn times you estimated.
No, all info is in my article linked to on page 3. I just copy/paste Buzz & Co's own story available on the Internet. Buzz said (lied) he landed on the Moon but that he had difficulties finding a flat landing place and almost ran out of fuel!!! He had only seconds of fuel left in the space ship, etc. Of course they had a second space ship/rocket/fuel with them to get off the Moon but he could not use that fuel.
Evidently you could not fill up any fuel tanks on the Moon. You had to carry all the fuel with you ... and ... it was not possible. So Buzz and his bozz president Nixon faked it.
Just to show off! How clever they were. 
Nixon was later caught with his pants down lying about some plumbing he installed somewhere. It was 40 years ago last week.

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.
Yer its just crazy talk , thinking  any Government  would fake a moon landing & not spend all that collected tax payers money on a real landing instead of a ten year war .    " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Nah mate.  I never said crazy, I said vapid.  Claiming that the moon landing is unbelievable because of a sound bite talking about fuel levels is about as superficial as you can get and still be on topic.

However, your sarcastic incredulity is -very- persuasive.

Not nearly as persuasive as the retarded meaning-seeking behavior people display when relating "The Shining" to the moon landings.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #199 on: August 13, 2014, 09:03:54 AM »

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.

Welcome on the wagon. Most people find my varied article about Buzz & Co interesting and tasteful and have not find anything wrong in it. Some have tried to win the €1M Challenge but so far all have failed. So, pls track down a physicist to do the calculations for you. You probably also need a space ship designer and a rocket engine engineer to assist. Easiest ist to just copy/paste the Apollo design (if you can find it) but it is >50 years old. Better is to use a later, more fuel efficient and comfortable model.
Only problem is that it doesn't work either. Human space travel is simply impossible.
You have to use robots and even then it is extremely difficult. It is all a question of gravity. It is a tough force to balance or overcome in space. On flat Earth it is much easier.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #200 on: August 13, 2014, 09:09:47 AM »

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.

Welcome on the wagon. Most people find my varied article about Buzz & Co interesting and tasteful and have not find anything wrong in it. Some have tried to win the €1M Challenge but so far all have failed. So, pls track down a physicist to do the calculations for you. You probably also need a space ship designer and a rocket engine engineer to assist. Easiest ist to just copy/paste the Apollo design (if you can find it) but it is >50 years old. Better is to use a later, more fuel efficient and comfortable model.
Only problem is that it doesn't work either. Human space travel is simply impossible.
You have to use robots and even then it is extremely difficult. It is all a question of gravity. It is a tough force to balance or overcome in space. On flat Earth it is much easier.
So who decides the outcome of the challenge? You?  You don't think that you are a bit biased do you?  With you having a lot of money on the line and all.  So why not have an impartial judge decide if space travel is possible?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #201 on: August 13, 2014, 09:13:52 AM »
You and your website are just full of opinions, nothing more.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #202 on: August 13, 2014, 09:26:23 AM »
You haven't got €1M.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #203 on: August 13, 2014, 09:27:48 AM »

I will get on the bandwagon: this is one of the most vapid refutations of the Apollo landings I have ever read. It does not even merit a discussion of the truth of the matter because the "argument" is so full if holes. I am beginning to think all you have going for you is your sideshow "€1M" challenges. I am tempted to track down a physicist to do the calculation just so I can sue you you when you don't pay.

Welcome on the wagon. Most people find my varied article about Buzz & Co interesting and tasteful and have not find anything wrong in it. Some have tried to win the €1M Challenge but so far all have failed. So, pls track down a physicist to do the calculations for you. You probably also need a space ship designer and a rocket engine engineer to assist. Easiest ist to just copy/paste the Apollo design (if you can find it) but it is >50 years old. Better is to use a later, more fuel efficient and comfortable model.
Only problem is that it doesn't work either. Human space travel is simply impossible.
You have to use robots and even then it is extremely difficult. It is all a question of gravity. It is a tough force to balance or overcome in space. On flat Earth it is much easier.

Why should it be easier on a FE.  You would have to overcome the UA, which they claim is equivalent to gravity (pro-tip: its not).
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #204 on: August 13, 2014, 11:35:18 AM »
So who decides the outcome of the challenge? You?
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #205 on: August 13, 2014, 11:43:20 AM »

Why should it be easier on a FE.

All humans are familar with FE since birth. Space 400+ kilometer above FE is something else! You can get there with a lot of effort BUT on your return to FE you burn up or crash on FE. Gravity! Very strong. Better stay on FE. I explain it in my article. See page 3 of this thread.

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #206 on: August 13, 2014, 12:11:30 PM »

Why should it be easier on a FE.

All humans are familar with FE since birth. Space 400+ kilometer above FE is something else! You can get there with a lot of effort BUT on your return to FE you burn up or crash on FE. Gravity! Very strong. Better stay on FE. I explain it in my article. See page 3 of this thread.

Ok... You said that space travel was easier on a FE.  I asked why and that was your explanation?  If you ever wonder in the middle of the night, "Why is everyone against me?"; remember this thread and despair.  In the meantime you can either answer my question or silently slink back to the paranoid corner of the universe you inhabit never to be heard from again.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #207 on: August 13, 2014, 12:59:15 PM »
Ok... You said that space travel was easier on a FE.  I asked why and that was your explanation?  If you ever wonder in the middle of the night, "Why is everyone against me?"; remember this thread and despair.  In the meantime you can either answer my question or silently slink back to the paranoid corner of the universe you inhabit never to be heard from again.
May I remind you topic is the brainwashed Buzz. Buzz is just a simple lying scoundrel. Are you related?

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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #208 on: August 13, 2014, 01:30:39 PM »
Ok... You said that space travel was easier on a FE.  I asked why and that was your explanation?  If you ever wonder in the middle of the night, "Why is everyone against me?"; remember this thread and despair.  In the meantime you can either answer my question or silently slink back to the paranoid corner of the universe you inhabit never to be heard from again.
May I remind you topic is the brainwashed Buzz. Buzz is just a simple lying scoundrel. Are you related?

You chose the unfortunate third option of continuing to blather... Another defeat for the FES.
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Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« Reply #209 on: August 13, 2014, 08:17:16 PM »

Why should it be easier on a FE.

All humans are familar with FE since birth. Space 400+ kilometer above FE is something else! You can get there with a lot of effort BUT on your return to FE you burn up or crash on FE. Gravity! Very strong. Better stay on FE. I explain it in my article. See page 3 of this thread.
If gravity is so strong, why can I defeat gravity by simply jumping?
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