Official Flat-Earth Expedition Fundraiser Thread!

I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.

Anyway, you should consider my proposition about actually going to space and seeing the round Earth from space for yourself.  If you did that, you would only need about $100 per flat-earther, which is much more reasonable and then you don't have to go on a long dangerous south pole expedition and instead just get a representative (like yourself) to go into a sub orbit and see what the Earth looks like.

I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.

phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.

Quote from: Pongo on December 09, 2014, 07:52:44 PM

I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.

phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.

It's the round-earthers that are always telling me how easy it is th charter a boat here, or simply fund an expedition there. On this very page I'm being told, in reasonable and reassuring words, that I should go into space.

So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays.  It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.

And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL.  I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.

   

Quote from: Arith on December 10, 2014, 02:37:05 AM

Quote from: Pongo on December 09, 2014, 07:52:44 PM

I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.

phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.

It's the round-earthers that are always telling me how easy it is th charter a boat here, or simply fund an expedition there. On this very page I'm being told, in reasonable and reassuring words, that I should go into space.

Because it is easy. Round earthers, we don't have a problem with the shape of the earth. There's been hundreds of years of people verifying what we all know. Earth is a spheroid. Why would we waste resources proving something that's been proven repeatedly? You guys want to "see it for yourselves" because everyone is in on some conspiracy that nobody has yet substantiated. So, you guys make the trip. Don't expect us to foot the bill.

So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays.  It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.

And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL.  I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.

   

I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.

Quote from: ausGeoff on December 10, 2014, 06:46:57 AM

So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays.  It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.

And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL.  I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.

   

I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.

The donation rewards are obviously targeting flat-earthers.

How so?  What would be a good incentive for a round-earther?

How so?  What would be a good incentive for a round-earther?

If you think about it, no round earther would pay to have a plaque with their name on it put on an ice wall that does not exist.  One incentive is promising to send us a video of your face when you realize that you were wrong all along.

Well, assuming we're wrong, you can see and record the faces yourself by donating $100,000 and accompanying the expedition.  If that's too much money for you, then you can simply raise it by asking round-earthers for the cash and promising to give them copies of the video.

I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.

Nope.  Erroneous belief.  The original post not once mentioned round earthers specifically, or even intimated that it'd be them who would be expected to donate towards the proposed expedition.

Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?  We already have empirical evidence confirming that Antarctica is an isolated continent that in no way even vaguely resembles an impenetrable ice "wall".

And besides that Pongo, how can you explain the fact that not one flat earther has donated a single cent to increase the $1,300 funding in the past five months?  Surely the flat earthers should be more than a little keen to "prove" the existence of the so-called ice wall in an endeavour to support their flat earth beliefs?





I see no purported ice "walls" or any infinite ice fields extending beyond Antarctica's coastline.  It appears to be completely surrounded by the Southern Ocean.  Can you detect any ice walls in this image Pongo?

Quote from: Pongo on December 10, 2014, 11:24:28 AM

I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.

Nope.  Erroneous belief.  The original post not once mentioned round earthers specifically, or even intimated that it'd be them who would be expected to donate towards the proposed expedition.

Lucky for me I said "clearly indicates" and not "explicitly states," wouldn't you agree?

Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?  We already have empirical evidence confirming that Antarctica is an isolated continent that in no way even vaguely resembles an impenetrable ice "wall".

I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole.  It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling.  I suppose though, once a moment a seriousness glanced at the proposal that the round-earhers would start moving the goal posts and mocking the expedition.

RE: Why not just simply go to the South Pole and see that the world is round.
FE: Okay, lets start funding an expedition
RE: "Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?"

And besides that Pongo, how can you explain the fact that not one flat earther has donated a single cent to increase the $1,300 funding in the past five months? 

What do you need explained?  You seem to grasp the idea well enough.

This is an image of the Antarctic continent produced from the SeaWinds
active radar scatterometer mounted on the QuikSCAT (NSCAT) satellite.

I see no purported ice "walls" or any infinite ice fields extending beyond Antarctica's coastline.  It appears to be completely surrounded by the Southern Ocean.  Can you detect any ice walls in this image Pongo?

No, I cannot.

I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole.  It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling. 

Uh... no it's not my friend.  On this issue you seem to be totally confused.

Apparently it was the sole idea of the flat earth "powers that be" (you alone?) to raise funds in order to carry out an expedition proving (or disproving) the existence of a purported ice "wall"—and thereby increasing the likelihood of the overall flat earth theory being the correct one.

By doing this (or, as is more likely not doing it LOL) you are not fulfilling any "charge" made by the round earthers to do so.  We don't even need you to do it as we've already proven that the ice "wall" of yours doesn't exist—other than in your fertile imaginations LOL.  In case your unaware of the fact, literally thousands of round earth scientists have visited Antarctica and covered virtually every inch of the place on foot.  And from 30 or so countries.

And if I wanted to spend $15K even I could go on a trekking holiday in Antarctica.  Why is it gonna cost the FES four million bucks to do the same thing?

I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole.  It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling.  I suppose though, once a moment a seriousness glanced at the proposal that the round-earhers would start moving the goal posts and mocking the expedition.

RE: Why not just simply go to the South Pole and see that the world is round.
FE: Okay, lets start funding an expedition
RE: "Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?"

RE: Why not just go to the south pole and see for yourselves
FE: Okay. Lets fund an expedition with an unattainable financial goal.
RE: You're not serious about this are you
FE: Well we were kinda hoping you'd buy our way
RE: Uhhhhh no.

It's not goalpost moving, you guys just went from 0 to 120 in 10 seconds. Baby steps. Perhaps an expedition isn't a good idea as your FIRST test. Also I doubt any of us on these forums HAVE enough cash that would put a dent in that 4 mil figure. (Liars need not apply)
You've got a hypothesis. If you can call it that. YOU test it. I for one am not going to send money to what I see as a frivolous endeavour. You want to prove your pet 'theories' then own up and do it.

I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.

And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous.  They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.

In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment.   

I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.

And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous.  They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.

In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment.   

Just another part of "The Big Joke." They have enough to be embarrased about as it is. LOL

I'm not sure, but you might ask gotham if that picture on his signature is supposed to be a picture of the ice ring ?

I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.

And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous.  They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.

In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment.   

What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?

What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?

Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist.  Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.

How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?

Quote from: Pongo on December 13, 2014, 06:13:37 AM

What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?

Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist.  Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.

How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?

What about the cartographer?

Quote from: ausGeoff on December 13, 2014, 09:55:47 AM

Quote from: Pongo on December 13, 2014, 06:13:37 AM

What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?

Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist.  Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.

How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?

What about the cartographer?

Who will take a GPS reciever...

Why not start by determining if a sufficiently large land or sea area is flat or round?

What about the cartographer?

Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.

Which map are you going to use to get to Antarctica? FE or RE one?

No need for a map just head for the southern cross and you will hit something made from ice.

No need for the FE Map. Just go in any direction in the direction of the ice wall and you will eventually run into it. But once you get there, there is the possibility of those NASA Guards or Giant Penguins. I think you should have on hand sufficient funds to bribe the NASA Guards to allow you to explore, chart, map and take pictures of the ice wall. Of course if you have sufficient identification to prove you are true flat earthers you could clear Ice Wall Security with no problems for safe passage to the ice wall so that the whole earth would finally know the truth.

Quote from: Pongo on December 13, 2014, 10:43:47 AM

What about the cartographer?

Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.

You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.

You know, there is a much easier way of finding out the shape of the Earth then A trip to Antarctica that involves exploiting this large community we have here.

Quote from: ausGeoff on December 13, 2014, 11:43:14 PM

Quote from: Pongo on December 13, 2014, 10:43:47 AM

What about the cartographer?

Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.

You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.

I've said it before...  friggin' re-map Iowa. It's a medium-size American state with gentle terrain, a hospitable climate, with an almost perfect grid of public roads on 1-mile spacing. Use mechanical surveying instruments and steel tapes instead of high-falutin' satanic electronic gizmos. Spend a few tens of thousands of dollars (tops!) to hire a some old-fashioned land surveyors to teach a dozen or so people how to use the equipment and reduce the data, and maybe go along, then eliminate the unnecessarily-complicated spherical "corrections" and get the "true" map from your data using pure flat-earth principles.

Why propose a prohibitively-expensive, potentially dangerous junket that will never happen. Oh, wait... never mind.

Quote from: ausGeoff on December 13, 2014, 11:43:14 PM

Quote from: Pongo on December 13, 2014, 10:43:47 AM

What about the cartographer?

Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.

You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.

You'll find it hard to rent a boat without GPS nowadays, unless you're planning to rent something like this:

You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.

Are you now claiming that satellites don't exist?

And when you're "told" that Ebola is caused by a virus, do you disagree merely on the basis you don't personally know?  Or when you're "told" the brakes in your car are unsafe, do you ignore that warning?  Exactly how do you decide what you're told is correct or not?

Also, can you please cite a reference to your claim that the use of GPS is a "known lie"?  And a lie told by whom?

Let me get this straight, AusGeoff.  You're saying that if we reduce the scope of the expedition to budgeting less than $250K, that flat-earthers and round-earthers alike will start donating in droves?