Circumnavigation

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 07:54:48 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on March 12, 2014, 07:52:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 07:05:32 AM

Theoretically there can only be a north and south. East and west do not actually exist.

So East and West can't exist in theory but they can in practice?

They exist on a man made compass, that's it. Of course, we have to take into account the circle of Earth, not just saying "oh I'll go east and land on an island." You can still get your bearings from it to whatever land mass is within that circle.

A compass has meaning if you have a map and you know roughly know where you are. Compass are rarely used not GPS is the way to go. You can use a compass as a backup.

I agree. I'm just saying that theoretically on a circle of Earth they do not exist as points if you were to discard land mass blocking the way. You would simply be going around a circle, endlessly.

East and West are directions, not points, cardinal directions to be exact.  I'm not really sure what your point is?

Theoretically there can only be a north and south. East and west do not actually exist. Taking the centre of Earth's circle as the north pole and standing with your back to it facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south.

Oh dear... how is it possible for this guy to interpret so much basic high-school science so wrongly?

He says "...standing with your back to it [the north pole] facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south".  No shit Sherlock!

And your left shoulder is facing... uh... east, and your right shoulder if facing... uh... west.
 
QED.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 07:05:32 AM

Theoretically there can only be a north and south. East and west do not actually exist. Taking the centre of Earth's circle as the north pole and standing with your back to it facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south.

Oh dear... how is it possible for this guy to interpret so much basic high-school science so wrongly?

He says "...standing with your back to it [the north pole] facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south".  No shit Sherlock!

And your left shoulder is facing... uh... east, and your right shoulder if facing... uh... west.
 
QED.

No they are not. They are facing south.

So, if you were stood in Berlin and someone asked how to get to Poland, would you say "head east" or "head south"?

So, if you were stood in Berlin and someone asked how to get to Poland, would you say "head east" or "head south"?

I'm talking about the NORTH POLE or what we are told is the north pole. I'm not talking about anywhere else.

Of course we use compasses and go by directions to land masses.
From any position that you look from on the north pole, you will be looking SOUTH no matter how many times you twist your head around or point a shoulder.

No they are not. They are facing south.

Can you please put me back on to your IGNORE list?  Thanks.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

No they are not. They are facing south.

Can you please put me back on to your IGNORE list?  Thanks.

I suggest you do not respond to my posts and your problem is solved.
Anyway, so now you know that you will always be looking south when at the north pole centre as we are told it is.

Quote from: ausGeoff on March 12, 2014, 10:04:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 07:05:32 AM

Theoretically there can only be a north and south. East and west do not actually exist. Taking the centre of Earth's circle as the north pole and standing with your back to it facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south.

Oh dear... how is it possible for this guy to interpret so much basic high-school science so wrongly?

He says "...standing with your back to it [the north pole] facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south".  No shit Sherlock!

And your left shoulder is facing... uh... east, and your right shoulder if facing... uh... west.
 
QED.

No they are not. They are facing south.

Depending on the distance from the pole and the size of the person, they would be facing south, shoulders somewhat east and west, and if they raised their arms straight out to their sides and pointed, their fingers would be pointing closer to south.

Standing right on the pole, yes, their face would be south, and both shoulders pointing south.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on March 12, 2014, 10:04:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 07:05:32 AM

Theoretically there can only be a north and south. East and west do not actually exist. Taking the centre of Earth's circle as the north pole and standing with your back to it facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south.

Oh dear... how is it possible for this guy to interpret so much basic high-school science so wrongly?

He says "...standing with your back to it [the north pole] facing south, you can edge around the pole shuffling your back against it and you will always be facing south".  No shit Sherlock!

And your left shoulder is facing... uh... east, and your right shoulder if facing... uh... west.
 
QED.

No they are not. They are facing south.

Depending on the distance from the pole and the size of the person, they would be facing south, shoulders somewhat east and west, and if they raised their arms straight out to their sides and pointed, their fingers would be pointing closer to south.

Standing right on the pole, yes, their face would be south, and both shoulders pointing south.

Which is what I explained.

I suggest you do not respond to my posts and your problem is solved.

Oh dear... what can I say to this LOL.

I'm allegedly on your IGNORE list so that you don't have to read my posts.  Apparently you ARE reading my posts though, as you responded to one of mine in Reply #63, today at 10:14:34 AM.

Nobody said anything about me putting your name on my IGNORE list.  I haven't and I won't be.  So I'll be continuing to read your posts, and comment wherever and whenever I see fit.

Sorry.
 

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:58:15 AM

I suggest you do not respond to my posts and your problem is solved.

Oh dear... what can I say to this LOL.

I'm allegedly on your IGNORE list so that you don't have to read my posts.  Apparently you ARE reading my posts though, as you responded to one of mine in Reply #63, today at 10:14:34 AM.

Nobody said anything about me putting your name on my IGNORE list.  I haven't and I won't be.  So I'll be continuing to read your posts, and comment wherever and whenever I see fit.

Sorry.
 

Actually, being ignored does not make it impossible for your post to be read.  It just does not display automatically.  So, even if you are being ignored, your posts may or may not be seen by the ignorer.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

No they are not. They are facing south.

Can you please put me back on to your IGNORE list?  Thanks.

Why because technically his right ?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Yes I'm real. Why do you ask?

29silhouette, can you please explain how a person with their back towards the north pole is not facing south?

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:19:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Yes I'm real. Why do you ask?

You seem like a detached segment of my imagination.
Then again, some days most things do.............

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:23:34 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:19:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Yes I'm real. Why do you ask?

You seem like a detached segment of my imagination.
Then again, some days most things do.............

You've lost me there my friend. Can you elaborate a little bit on that.

The point isn't East and West geniuses! The point is a plane doesn't need to turn and will wrap around the Earth without going in any direction! That is what I mean by straight. Meaning not turning. HELLO!!!!!!!  Flat Earth you need to steer. HELLOOO!!!!!

Take a model plane, stick it on a stick. Punch it into a globe. Then wrap it around the globe. No steering necessary. It simply stays same altitude and will wrap around back to where it came from. You can also do this in real life with a few plane tickets. I suggest you try. Take the plane model on a stick and do that now to a frisbee going one direction without turning. It goes off the frisbee unless you turn like a car on a race track. Pilots are not turning and the compasses and radars show the direction clearly. This proves the Earth is NOT flat.

Anyone not understand this still?


GET IT NOW?

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:40:19 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:23:34 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:19:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Yes I'm real. Why do you ask?

You seem like a detached segment of my imagination.
Then again, some days most things do.............

You've lost me there my friend. Can you elaborate a little bit on that.

I've lost you?
Exactly.
You used to be part of my mind.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:44:10 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:40:19 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:23:34 AM

Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on March 13, 2014, 01:19:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 13, 2014, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 12, 2014, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:02:49 AM

Which is what I explained.

No, you said a person with their back facing to the pole, which would be different than standing 'on' it.

It's still the same thing. You know this, so let's not get into that.

Are you real, scepti?

Yes I'm real. Why do you ask?

You seem like a detached segment of my imagination.
Then again, some days most things do.............

You've lost me there my friend. Can you elaborate a little bit on that.

I've lost you?
Exactly.
You used to be part of my mind.

You still lost me. Can you explain what you mean?

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Yes.  His lack of understanding that if a plane never turns, it makes a great circle.  Circumnavigation only occurs either east or west.  The only way to travel east or west on a globe without turning is on the equator.  So, if any airplane travels east or west on a globe, it is turning if it is not on the equator. 

Quote from: burt on March 13, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Yes.  His lack of understanding that if a plane never turns, it makes a great circle.  Circumnavigation only occurs either east or west.  The only way to travel east or west on a globe without turning is on the equator.  So, if any airplane travels east or west on a globe, it is turning if it is not on the equator. 

If he and you are talking strictly "from east to west"  the yes, but otherwise any great circle will do.

[Edit: because I replied too quickly]

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 01:20:18 PM

Quote from: burt on March 13, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Yes.  His lack of understanding that if a plane never turns, it makes a great circle.  Circumnavigation only occurs either east or west.  The only way to travel east or west on a globe without turning is on the equator.  So, if any airplane travels east or west on a globe, it is turning if it is not on the equator. 

If he and you are talking strictly "from east to west"  the yes, but otherwise any great circle will do.

[Edit: because I replied too quickly]

It must be the equator, It doesn't work anywhere else.

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 01:20:18 PM

Quote from: burt on March 13, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Yes.  His lack of understanding that if a plane never turns, it makes a great circle.  Circumnavigation only occurs either east or west.  The only way to travel east or west on a globe without turning is on the equator.  So, if any airplane travels east or west on a globe, it is turning if it is not on the equator. 

If he and you are talking strictly "from east to west"  the yes, but otherwise any great circle will do.

[Edit: because I replied too quickly]

This is what I was trying to explain to him in that other thread, but he simply denies it.

Quote from: burt on March 13, 2014, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 01:20:18 PM

Quote from: burt on March 13, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 11:51:12 AM

Your understanding of geometry saddens me.  I am surprised that RE'ers have not called you out on it yet.

Have you a criticism of what he said? If so can you make it explicit.

Yes.  His lack of understanding that if a plane never turns, it makes a great circle.  Circumnavigation only occurs either east or west.  The only way to travel east or west on a globe without turning is on the equator.  So, if any airplane travels east or west on a globe, it is turning if it is not on the equator. 

If he and you are talking strictly "from east to west"  the yes, but otherwise any great circle will do.

[Edit: because I replied too quickly]

It must be the equator, It doesn't work anywhere else.

What does not work anywhere else and why?