Circumnavigation

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Truth. This same subject came up about a year ago. I made the same kind-of argument. Fell on deaf ears then...

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Can you cite a circumnavigational voyage that was not done on the equator? 

Quote from: glokta on March 13, 2014, 01:48:13 PM

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Can you cite a circumnavigational voyage that was not done on the equator? 

Why is that relevant?

Are you trying to imply that is possible to circumnavigate the flat earth on the equator, without deviating? The flat earth's only greatcirle (that someone woudl be able to travel on) is perpendicular to the flat earth itself, i.e its circumference.

It is relevant when people try to imply that this happens all the time in every direction.

It is relevant when people try to imply that this happens all the time in every direction.

Why do I have to wrangle information out of everybody on this site?

It is not relevant, because if there is circumnavigation without deviation, at all, then FE is false. No matter how you slice it, on the FE you have to deviate from your path to circumnavigate.

It is relevant when people try to imply that this happens all the time in every direction.

No one is implying that, the fact is that it is possible.

Wait for 'have you done it' question...

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 02:00:52 PM

It is relevant when people try to imply that this happens all the time in every direction.

No one is implying that, the fact is that it is possible.

Wait for 'have you done it' question...

It does not even need to be possible at the moment (It only does, if we are claiming the earth is spherical, but although we believe this, it is not a component of our argument against FE, in this instance); we can simply disprove the Flatearth, by saying that even one instance of where this is possible serves to refute FE (whether or not it supports RE, but that is not we are looking to do)

I agree that if you wrap a string around a globe, then that is a great circle and people have traveled this path in the past.  I do not agree that it can be done anywhere on the Earth, and I asked for examples of this taking place. 

I agree that if you wrap a string around a globe, then that is a great circle and people have traveled this path in the past.  I do not agree that it can be done anywhere on the Earth, and I asked for examples of this taking place.

So what if you don't agree? Given that the earth is round, it is geometrically and physically possible.

then that is a great circle and people have traveled this path in the past

It seems to me you are not, therefore, an FEer, but you also deny RE...what do you think then?

Please provide an example of someone circumnavigating the globe in a direction that is not east or west. 

Please provide an example of someone circumnavigating the globe in a direction that is not east or west.

If you want to book the flights you can fly over the world over both poles and be back where you started from.

Really?  Who has done this?

Please provide an example of someone circumnavigating the globe in a direction that is not east or west.

The whole point of using the equator circumnavigation is because it is the point of greatest circumference hence the greatest achievement.

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Why does this guy not understand this? Why are these people here not getting what I am saying? Did I not explain it clearly enough?

It is not relevant, because if there is circumnavigation without deviation, at all, then FE is false. No matter how you slice it, on the FE you have to deviate from your path to circumnavigate.

How is anyone arguing this point? I can't even believe there is debate about this. I tried to explain this over and over again and he still fights me. I think the word "deviation" was what I was trying to say. You can fly around the world without the plane deviating and all pilots know this.

Really?  Who has done this?

You can do it! You can fly from the US to the UK over the North Pole now to save time. The quickest flights from California to London go over the North Pole. Obviously nobody will fly over Antarctica because it would be pointless and dangerous! You can fly around the world and get a flight path on every stop and see you are not deviating. Now you will say the flight path is a lie. Maybe there is some way you can get more detailed information somewhere. If you really wanted to know, you can know. But you only want to keep trying to argue the Earth is flat. What you should be doing is learning why the Earth is round, talk to pilots, understand how planes work, and find out if planes can actually go around the world without deviating ended up where they started. With some research and education, you can then understand why the Earth being flat is simply not correct. Go contact aviation industries and find out for yourself.

Quote from: glokta on March 13, 2014, 01:48:13 PM

Take a piece of string and wrap it around the equator on a globe. You can move this loop of string to cover every possible circumnavigation with no lateral deviation. This is impossible on the flat earth with no lateral deviation. Case closed. 

Why does this guy not understand this? Why are these people here not getting what I am saying? Did I not explain it clearly enough?

The flat earthers do understand this. You will soon learn that debating your points is not the game here, rather it is trying to trip you up on the wording of your post, willing deflection of the questions and ultimately flat out denial of anything that doesn't add up in the flat earth model. Hence what we are seeing here is "show me a circumnavigation that didn't follow the equator" as opposed to "this is why it is not possible". Unfortunately most flat earthers here would rather argue semantics than argue their point.

There is also the evidence of how communication and GPS satellites operate.

"Santas Shortcut" http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/airlines-cleared-to-use-santas-shortcut-6281263.html

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 03:04:15 PM

Really?  Who has done this?

You can do it! You can fly from the US to the UK over the North Pole now to save time. The quickest flights from California to London go over the North Pole. Obviously nobody will fly over Antarctica because it would be pointless and dangerous! You can fly around the world and get a flight path on every stop and see you are not deviating. Now you will say the flight path is a lie. Maybe there is some way you can get more detailed information somewhere. If you really wanted to know, you can know. But you only want to keep trying to argue the Earth is flat. What you should be doing is learning why the Earth is round, talk to pilots, understand how planes work, and find out if planes can actually go around the world without deviating ended up where they started. With some research and education, you can then understand why the Earth being flat is simply not correct. Go contact aviation industries and find out for yourself.

No flight from the US to the UK goes over the north pole.  Can you please back up your claim?

Also, nobody said you can not fly over the north pole.  It is the south pole that is questionable. 

You really don't even believe people fly across the North Pole?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route
"Polar routes are now common on airlines connecting Asian cities (Bangkok, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, New Delhi, Seoul, Singapore, Taipei and Tokyo) to North American cities: New York, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Vancouver and Washington DC. Emirates flies nonstop from Dubai to the US West Coast (San Francisco and Los Angeles), coming within a few degrees (up to 88 degrees latitude) of the North Pole."

Here is a video of someone on a polar flight. In the video you can also see a map of his flight path.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Flying Over The North Pole (Air China Boeing 747-400)


"The term "polar route" was originally more general, being applied to great circle routes between Europe and the west coast of North America in the 1950s. SAS was first: their DC-6B flights between Los Angeles and Copenhagen started in 1954. Canadian Pacific DC-6Bs started Vancouver-Amsterdam in 1955, then Pan Am and TWA started West Coast to Paris/London in 1957. SAS was first again, flying Europe to Tokyo via Anchorage with DC-7Cs in February 1957; Air France L1649s and KLM DC-7Cs followed in 1958."


"Many long-haul flight times will be dramatically reduced as planes are allowed to take a short cut over the North Pole.

"Changes in aviation rules, which apply to twin-engine jets such as a Boeing 777, will mean passengers can reach exotic destinations without making a stop.

During the flights passengers will be treated to stunning views of the Arctic."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078301/Mind-sleigh-Airlines-given-permission-fly-North-Pole-time-slashing-hours-exotic-destinations.html#ixzz2vtdEpTpZ

Once again, please tell me where someone said that flights over the north pole are impossible.  FET says that it is entirely possible.  What is your point?

Once again, please tell me where someone said that flights over the north pole are impossible.  FET says that it is entirely possible.  What is your point?

The point is to fly around the world over the poles. That mean the south pole is included.

When did this happen?  Oh, never.  I still don't know what your point is.  I can make up hypothetical situations as well, but they would not prove anything, just like yours do not. 

Once again, please tell me where someone said that flights over the north pole are impossible.  FET says that it is entirely possible.  What is your point?

If flying over the North Pole makes from China to New york much quicker, then how does that fit into your Flat Earth map?

Soon we will fly over the South Pole. Then what will you say? Now they do cross at least the polar ice caps and from Padagonia, Chile you can take a boat to the tips of Antartica.

"Aerolineas Argentinas flies nonstop between Sydney and Buenos Aires, LAN Chile flies nonstop between Auckland, Sydney and Santiago and Qantas flies nonstop between Sydney and Santiago, the most southerly polar route. Depending on winds, these reach 55 degrees south latitude, but other times 71 degrees, which is enough to cross the polar ice cap"

"The Qantas flight QF 63/64 from Sydney to Johannesburg sometimes (depending on the winds) flies over the antarctic circle to latitude 71 degrees as well and allowing views of the icecap."

Look up the flight on Nov. 14 1965 when a plane went over the North AND South Pole from Honolulu and back.

Thanks for not saying anything coherent or supporting your views.  You are not proving anything with your babble. 

March 13, 2014, jroa flies over the south pole and then proceeds to Jupiter.

It must be true, because it is now on the internet. 

Quote from: jroa on March 13, 2014, 06:32:18 PM

Once again, please tell me where someone said that flights over the north pole are impossible.  FET says that it is entirely possible.  What is your point?

If flying over the North Pole makes from China to New york much quicker, then how does that fit into your Flat Earth map?

Soon we will fly over the South Pole. Then what will you say? Now they do cross at least the polar ice caps and from Padagonia, Chile you can take a boat to the tips of Antartica.

"Aerolineas Argentinas flies nonstop between Sydney and Buenos Aires, LAN Chile flies nonstop between Auckland, Sydney and Santiago and Qantas flies nonstop between Sydney and Santiago, the most southerly polar route. Depending on winds, these reach 55 degrees south latitude, but other times 71 degrees, which is enough to cross the polar ice cap"

"The Qantas flight QF 63/64 from Sydney to Johannesburg sometimes (depending on the winds) flies over the antarctic circle to latitude 71 degrees as well and allowing views of the icecap."

Look up the flight on Nov. 14 1965 when a plane went over the North AND South Pole from Honolulu and back.

Here it is: http://duboishistoricalsociety.com/historicalfinchpolecat.htm

So you won't beleieve any data? Then you are impossible to convince of anything.

You fist said prove that planes go over the North pole, I did prove it. You don't believe me, call the airlines and book a ticket and you can look out your window and see the North Pole.

There was a documented flight that did go around the South Pole. You can research it yourself and see all the crew that was on board. You won't believe it unless you mees the actual pilot? But then what if you meet the pilot and he told you himself? Then you would say he was lying. So it seems the only way you will ever believe the Earth is round is to do one of 2 things.

1) Get a pilot's license or have a friend get a pilot's license and fly around the world yourself.

2) Learn to sail or hire a crew and charter a ship and sail around the world yourself.

You would only need to go around the Equator to prove the Earth is round and be sure to go pretty much straight so you can see first hand you will end up back where you started.

It doesn't seem like anything else will convince you.

But even then, you still may think it was all done with mirrors or movie sets and it looked like you were going around the world but you really weren't.

Get some therapy please.

You seem like you are mad about something.  Did I do something to hurt you?  I only repeat facts, and I know that some of them crush your view of the world, but don't kill the messenger.  I was upset, too, when I learned the truth.