INS disproves FE.

Can we sticky this to save time for the new people who don't instantly realise FET is a joke? Thanks in advance.

Can we sticky this to save time for the new people who don't instantly realise FET is a joke? Thanks in advance.

Do you respond to all other jokes with frustration and whining? You must be a real charm at parties.

Quote from: The Knowledge on January 06, 2012, 02:39:54 PM

Can we sticky this to save time for the new people who don't instantly realise FET is a joke? Thanks in advance.

Do you respond to all other jokes with frustration and whining? You must be a real charm at parties.

Thanks for your opinion, but maybe you should try to address the topic, not the person.

We've learned in another thread that large commercial planes navigate with as many as 3 INSes.

Quote from: The Knowledge on January 06, 2012, 02:39:54 PM

Can we sticky this to save time for the new people who don't instantly realise FET is a joke? Thanks in advance.

Do you respond to all other jokes with frustration and whining? You must be a real charm at parties.

Low content posting belongs in the Troll Clique forum at the bottom.

I think we need moar debate on this topic, especially to get FE'ers to answer the principal question: Can INS distinguish between a path that curves to left or right and one which does not?

Haven't we beaten this to death?  Unless you have some new evidence, we are just going to get the same response we had 4 months ago.

There is not a single answer to that question from FE'ers in this thread, or anywhere else. If you disagree, please quote it here. Until that question is answered, debate on what INS can tell us is unable to move forward. Hence I press for an answer.
There is no new evidence, but the opinion of FE'ers on whether or not INS can do this remains unknown. This information can only be obtained by asking the FE'ers that question. They hold the evidence, but will not give it. So I continue to ask, as their silence becomes louder and louder.

It's generally accepted that navigation is different in the southern hemisphere. This additional difference is relatively irrelevant.

It's generally accepted that navigation is different in the southern hemisphere. This additional difference is relatively irrelevant.

How is navigation different in the SH? How is that difference irrelevant?

I got a good laugh reading this thread. INS is pretty old technology, but it is still in use today in the most sensitive of applications. I was in the US Air Force and was maintenance on the Minuteman III ICBM, all of which still use INS that was designed in the 1960s. On the missile, it is called the 'Inertial Guidance Set'. In all my time out on maintenance dispatches, the guidance set never needed 'constant adjustment'; in fact, it never needed to be adjusted at all. The closest thing I ever did to adjusting it was uploading new launch codes (also done on archaic 1960s equipment), but the set never needed maintenance itself. Every several years, the USAF pulls an active missile from one of the operational wings and sends it to Vandenberg AFB in California, where they install the missile in a test launch facility (unarmed of course), give it coordinates that aim it at the Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific, and hit the button. The missile, with its ancient guidance system, hits its target with enough accuracy that the re-entry vehicle would hit the bed of a pickup truck after re-entering the atmosphere from space.

Long story short, they know the difference between a curved line and a straight one

It's generally accepted that navigation is different in the southern hemisphere. This additional difference is relatively irrelevant.

Your entire post here is of no relevance. You don't appear to either understand why INS causes problems for FET nor have you answered the question.

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

So does that mean INS units can detect a path that deviates to left or right, or can't they? You need to answer that, regardless of anything else you think.

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and in FED relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification. Thanks for trying.

I know it doesn't speak for all inertial navigation, but the inertial guidance set I worked on didn't run with software. It was simply a string of numbers that told it when and where to turn; no software to compromise.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Quote from: ClockTower on March 15, 2012, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Then you admit that you have no evidence beyond "the conspiracy did it"?

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 08:23:38 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on March 15, 2012, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Then you admit that you have no evidence beyond "the conspiracy did it"?

Well when the conspiracy did, in fact, do it, it would seem rather silly to state otherwise, wouldn't it?

Quote from: markjo on March 15, 2012, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 08:23:38 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on March 15, 2012, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Then you admit that you have no evidence beyond "the conspiracy did it"?

Well when the conspiracy did, in fact, do it, it would seem rather silly to state otherwise, wouldn't it?

If you know this as fact, it should be easy to provide the rest of us with evidence so that we can reach the same enlightened state as yourself.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 15, 2012, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 08:23:38 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on March 15, 2012, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Then you admit that you have no evidence beyond "the conspiracy did it"?

Well when the conspiracy did, in fact, do it, it would seem rather silly to state otherwise, wouldn't it?

If you know this as fact, it should be easy to provide the rest of us with evidence so that we can reach the same enlightened state as yourself.

I don't won't to tamper with the INS too much or attempt to record my observations, I can only surmise the amount of time I would have before the conspiracy detects my mischief.

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 15, 2012, 09:24:51 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 15, 2012, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 08:23:38 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on March 15, 2012, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Please provide evidence of your outlandish claim.

Oh, and relying on the Conspiracy is an automatic disqualification in my own little world. Thanks for trying.

I took the liberty of fixing your post to represent the reality of the situation.

Then you admit that you have no evidence beyond "the conspiracy did it"?

Well when the conspiracy did, in fact, do it, it would seem rather silly to state otherwise, wouldn't it?

If you know this as fact, it should be easy to provide the rest of us with evidence so that we can reach the same enlightened state as yourself.

I don't won't to tamper with the INS too much or attempt to record my observations, I can only surmise the amount of time I would have before the conspiracy detects my mischief.

I'm willing to let you take that risk.

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:42:57 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Again, how would that work?
In order to give enough; the readings would be completely off.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:42:57 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Again, how would that work?
In order to give enough; the readings would be completely off.

Only to an observer looking at raw data, which pilots don't. All they need to know is that they think they know where they're going. As long as they get to where they're going, I don't think they're going to bring up a fuss about it.

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:54:08 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:42:57 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Again, how would that work?
In order to give enough; the readings would be completely off.

Only to an observer looking at raw data, which pilots don't. All they need to know is that they think they know where they're going. As long as they get to where they're going, I don't think they're going to bring up a fuss about it.

We've been over this. No, you don't need INS to know that your plane is turning. Please pay attention. If INS said you were going straight, but your sense told you that you were turning, you'd know that INS was wrong. Pilots are responsible enough to monitor the accuracy of their instruments.

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:54:08 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:42:57 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Again, how would that work?
In order to give enough; the readings would be completely off.

Only to an observer looking at raw data, which pilots don't. All they need to know is that they think they know where they're going. As long as they get to where they're going, I don't think they're going to bring up a fuss about it.

Then I take it you know very few pilots.
They have to know how they get there. Every tiny move costs fuel. From going up; going down; left; right; forward; backward. Each costs a bit of fuel. They have to know exactly how much as each gallon of fuel effects the way they fly; their speed; and the flight cost.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

So does that mean INS units can detect a path that deviates to left or right, or can't they? You need to answer that, regardless of anything else you think.

Irushtocvs refuses to answer this question. Instead he derails the topic. He is proven to be a troll by this action.
No flat earther has so far answered this question. Because they are incapable of doing so.

Quote from: The Knowledge on March 15, 2012, 05:07:44 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

So does that mean INS units can detect a path that deviates to left or right, or can't they? You need to answer that, regardless of anything else you think.

Irushtocvs refuses to answer this question. Instead he derails the topic. He is proven to be a troll by this action.
No flat earther has so far answered this question. Because they are incapable of doing so.

Of course they will not answer it, it proves a round earth.

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:54:08 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 15, 2012, 09:42:57 PM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

INS units have compromised software which has been modded by the Conspiracy. Their data recordings are invalid.

Wouldn't that make it rather hard for fellows who use them?
Would constantly be off track because of this... At least; I would think so.

They still work in the intended fashion, but they give false data that indicates a round earth instead of a flat one.

Again, how would that work?
In order to give enough; the readings would be completely off.

Only to an observer looking at raw data, which pilots don't. All they need to know is that they think they know where they're going. As long as they get to where they're going, I don't think they're going to bring up a fuss about it.

Those missiles only use raw data... How do you explain that?