Are dreams real?

Some people here have presented their dreams as evidence (often the only evidence they present) for certain aspects of FET. Is there any reason to believe that dreams accurately represent reality or that they could be used as valid evidence for a theory?

Obviously, dreams are not verifiable by others, so their credibility takes a hit right there, but do they have any other merit as evidence?

Some people here have presented their dreams as evidence (often the only evidence they present) for certain aspects of FET. Is there any reason to believe that dreams accurately represent reality or that they could be used as valid evidence for a theory?

Obviously, dreams are not verifiable by others, so their credibility takes a hit right there, but do they have any other merit as evidence?

  If the Lord tells you something or gives you information in a dream, it is credible and can be used as evidence.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 18, 2011, 06:16:59 PM

Some people here have presented their dreams as evidence (often the only evidence they present) for certain aspects of FET. Is there any reason to believe that dreams accurately represent reality or that they could be used as valid evidence for a theory?

Obviously, dreams are not verifiable by others, so their credibility takes a hit right there, but do they have any other merit as evidence?

 If the Lord tells you something or gives you information in a dream, it is credible and can be used as evidence.

How would you differentiate between communication from the Lord and hallucination/delusion?

Quote from: hoppy on March 18, 2011, 06:26:24 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 18, 2011, 06:16:59 PM

Some people here have presented their dreams as evidence (often the only evidence they present) for certain aspects of FET. Is there any reason to believe that dreams accurately represent reality or that they could be used as valid evidence for a theory?

Obviously, dreams are not verifiable by others, so their credibility takes a hit right there, but do they have any other merit as evidence?

  If the Lord tells you something or gives you information in a dream, it is credible and can be used as evidence.

How would you differentiate between communication from the Lord and hallucination?

  For one thing, don't take drugs. Then you probably won't hullicinate.

For one thing, don't take drugs be an idiot. Then you probably won't hullicinate be illiterate.

I don't think dreams can be completely dismissed, as they might have the potential to reveal otherwise hidden aspects of your subconscious. But to cite dream content as valid evidence of something completely removed from your personal experience is...well, it's the sort of thing you would expect somebody to resort to if they were in the difficult position of arguing in favor of shrimp-like bacteria on the moon (whether trolling or not).

From my own personal experience, I have never experienced a dream which I was later able to identify as being factually accurate.

From my own personal experience, I have never experienced a dream which I was later able to identify as being factually accurate.

  I have not had the Lord give me info in a dream, but there are several times in the Bible where he has given info to people in dreams.
   The Lord has told me things which were completely accurate. This info was attained during prayer time.
  It was a still small voice, almost indiscernable, but completely accurate.

It depends on if you want to have a scientific debate or a philosophy debate.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 18, 2011, 07:05:06 PM

From my own personal experience, I have never experienced a dream which I was later able to identify as being factually accurate.

  I have not had the Lord give me info in a dream, but there are several times in the Bible where he has given info to people in dreams.
   The Lord has told me things which were completely accurate. This info was attained during prayer time.
  It was a still small voice, almost indiscernable, but completely accurate.

We're trying to be serious and talk about it from a scientific stand point.

While dreams shouldn;t be counted as truth
Master Lord Willmire's shouldn't  be so easily dismissed,

He is a visionary and his dreams should be further investigated.

Science has no explanation for dreams. Actually what happens when you dream, you access other realities, other universes, but they are immaterial, vague places, so basically dreams are not very important. Hey Hoppy I didn't know you believed in God. You sided with atheists to attack me in another thread.

Science has no explanation for dreams.

False.

Actually what happens when you dream, you access other realities, other universes, but they are immaterial, vague places, so basically dreams are not very important.

How do you know this?

Hey Hoppy I didn't know you believed in God. You sided with atheists to attack me in another thread.

His signature is "God is real."

I believe that dreams are real. They exist. They occur.

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

If dream don't do us anything, why have the ability to dream? Just for the laughs?

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

If dream don't do us anything, why have the ability to dream? Just for the laughs?

When you dream your soul is traveling through the multiverse, this is why you see yourself in unfamiliar environment, some people you recognize, some you don't. However those other realms and worlds that you see in your dreams are not real, they are immaterial, just vague possibilities stuck somewhere between dimensions, don't try to draw any meaning from it.

Quote from: svenanders on March 19, 2011, 01:17:06 AM

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

If dream don't do us anything, why have the ability to dream? Just for the laughs?

When you dream your soul is traveling through the multiverse, this is why you see yourself in unfamiliar environment, some people you recognize, some you don't. However those other realms and worlds that you see in your dreams are not real, they are immaterial, just vague possibilities stuck somewhere between dimensions, don't try to draw any meaning from it.

Could it also be that our brains just sort out things while we're being subconscious?
Perhaps that dreams just takes us through events which we don't have experienced yet, but by dreaming them,
under safe conditions, we learn how to meet and react better, to those experiences in real life?

(If my english is still crap, and you don't understand shit, I'm not sorry!)

From my own personal experience, I have never experienced

So you admit your personal experience is rather poor.

Dreams can provide empirical data given certain criteria and have the capacity to provide a basis to convert this data to evidence.

You dream that a spider is in a cupboard in your home. In your dream the spider is trapped and is in need of assistance.  Upon waking, you go the cupboard and the spider is there in need of assistance.  The utility of the dream can not be disputed.  

Whether this is an example of mind link or dream to empirical data to evidence conversion could be debated, but not whether data and evidence can be offered from the process.  

I don't believe that dreams provide evidence of much of anything.  However, I do believe that dreams can provide insights to many things.  Please don't confuse insight with evidence.

Nightmares are real.

Except in the example stated you could propose the question "Is there evidence that empirical data has been originiated in a dream that has substantially contributed to the saving of a life?" and the answer will be yes.

How to distiquish between insight and evidence does beccome a task, however, but the evidence is tangible.   

Insight itself is not evidence, however insight can lead you to evidence.

Quote from: General Disarray on March 18, 2011, 07:05:06 PM

From my own personal experience, I have never experienced

So you admit your personal experience is rather poor.

I am merely giving the reason why I doubt dreams can accurately represent reality. I occasionally have dreams where I can fly, and I know this does not happen in reality.

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

The question was "Are dreams real?''

The answer is an unequivocally "Yes".

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

The question was "Are dreams real?''

The answer is an unequivocally "Yes".

That's just the name of the thread, Tom. Did you try reading the OP?

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

The question was "Are dreams real?''

The answer is an unequivocally "Yes".

Perhaps you should read further rather than just title skimming.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 19, 2011, 11:16:06 AM

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

The question was "Are dreams real?''

The answer is an unequivocally "Yes".

Perhaps you should read further rather than just title skimming.

Don't ask Tom to do that, we would never have a point with anything he posts.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 19, 2011, 11:16:06 AM

Quote from: New Earth on March 19, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Yeah they exist, they occur but do they mean anything? No

The question was "Are dreams real?''

The answer is an unequivocally "Yes".

That's just the name of the thread, Tom. Did you try reading the OP?

I read the OP. The OP is asking something different than the title of this thread.

I've answered the question literally. Dreams exist. They are real.

His next question is "Is there any reason to believe that dreams accurately represent reality or that they could be used as valid evidence for a theory?"

The answer to this next question is that yes, dreams represent reality. It doesn't necessarily follow that reality reflects dreams, however.

A dream's use as evidence would depend on the context. For example; if I said that I solved an obscure mathematical riddle in a dream, I could submit my dream as evidence. There is nothing wrong with that.