How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth

Quote from: Pongo on June 16, 2010, 01:43:29 AM

Selective breeding. 

Darwin devoted an entire chapter in On The Origin of Species, his first chapter at that, to selective breeding of animals.  In particular, pigeons.  He showed that by selecting favorable characteristics, one could change a species as they see fit.  For example wolves, having been only semi-selectively breed, have become all the races of dogs we see today in a very short amount of time.  Also, in just a few generations, foxes have been breed to be docile and loving.  It's easy to see how quickly characteristics can be breed into an animal in just a few generations. 

So now you understand how birds could have evolved the characteristics to tolerate proximity to planes in such a short amount of time; selective breeding.  As far as your symbiosis query, I don't see it as being symbiotic at all.  It's much more parasitic.

First of all, parasitism is a form of symbiosis.  Secondly, why parasitic?  It's more commensalistic (word?); we benefit, while the birds clearly do not.  If anyone was harmed in this process, clearly neither party would want to be involved in it.  It's like we're forcing birds to do our will.

And no, birds could not have evolved the characterstics to tolerate proximity to planes; not in 100 years, anyway. 

That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

This is all just conjecture until someone provides real evidence that birds pull planes.

It is a mutual relationship. The birds get their fix, and we get their strength. It works both ways. Do you have any evidence they would not be able to tolerate it? With modern day genetic engineering and selective breeding, it is very plausible. As for

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That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 16, 2010, 04:04:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on June 16, 2010, 01:43:29 AM

Selective breeding. 

Darwin devoted an entire chapter in On The Origin of Species, his first chapter at that, to selective breeding of animals.  In particular, pigeons.  He showed that by selecting favorable characteristics, one could change a species as they see fit.  For example wolves, having been only semi-selectively breed, have become all the races of dogs we see today in a very short amount of time.  Also, in just a few generations, foxes have been breed to be docile and loving.  It's easy to see how quickly characteristics can be breed into an animal in just a few generations. 

So now you understand how birds could have evolved the characteristics to tolerate proximity to planes in such a short amount of time; selective breeding.  As far as your symbiosis query, I don't see it as being symbiotic at all.  It's much more parasitic.

First of all, parasitism is a form of symbiosis.  Secondly, why parasitic?  It's more commensalistic (word?); we benefit, while the birds clearly do not.  If anyone was harmed in this process, clearly neither party would want to be involved in it.  It's like we're forcing birds to do our will.

And no, birds could not have evolved the characterstics to tolerate proximity to planes; not in 100 years, anyway. 

It is a mutual relationship. The birds get their fix, and we get their strength. It works both ways. Do you have any evidence they would not be able to tolerate it? With modern day genetic engineering and selective breeding, it is very plausible. As for

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That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

I am trying to figure out what kind of birds can pull a commercial plane 400 MPH+ whilst being able to fit in a planes compartments(Which are filled with passenger's stuff btw) and nothing has ever been seen.
If you think genetic engineering with todays technology makes this plausible you have been watching too many movies.

...which leaves us, once again, with no explanation for messed up flight times in the FE model.

I am trying to figure out what kind of birds can pull a commercial plane 400 MPH+ whilst being able to fit in a planes compartments(Which are filled with passenger's stuff btw) and nothing has ever been seen.
If you think genetic engineering with todays technology makes this plausible you have been watching too many movies.

Orangutans pound for pound are 8x stronger than Humans are. Just because it would be impossible for you to do it doesn't mean it is impossible for a souped of bird to do so. Again, you cannot see them because the birds are too small at such great distances to be able to make them out.

This is all just conjecture until someone provides real evidence that birds pull planes.

Quote from: The Question1 on June 16, 2010, 01:00:10 PM

I am trying to figure out what kind of birds can pull a commercial plane 400 MPH+ whilst being able to fit in a planes compartments(Which are filled with passenger's stuff btw) and nothing has ever been seen.
If you think genetic engineering with todays technology makes this plausible you have been watching too many movies.

Orangutans pound for pound are 8x stronger than Humans are. Just because it would be impossible for you to do it doesn't mean it is impossible for a souped of bird to do so. Again, you cannot see them because the birds are too small at such great distances to be able to make them out.

Quote from: The Question1 on June 16, 2010, 01:00:10 PM

I am trying to figure out what kind of birds can pull a commercial plane 400 MPH+ whilst being able to fit in a planes compartments(Which are filled with passenger's stuff btw) and nothing has ever been seen.
If you think genetic engineering with todays technology makes this plausible you have been watching too many movies.

Maybe the cargo hold is like the tent from that Harry Potter movie that is much bigger inside than it appears on the outside.

Wtf? That isn't a shop. Any picture gets pixellated like that when you zoom in that much. Nice trolling.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on June 16, 2010, 02:09:12 PM

Wtf? That isn't a shop. Any picture gets pixellated like that when you zoom in that much. Nice trolling.

Also look at the wing.  Note how the birds always look like they're in front of the wing or on the wing.  Never behind the wing, even a little bit.

Also:
If one bird got into the engine (which it would with that flock) the plane goes down.

Wtf? That isn't a shop. Any picture gets pixellated like that when you zoom in that much. Nice trolling.
That almost proves the fact that it isn't shopped by the fact that I would have to not only draw each bird, but then draw every little pixel between them. That would take more effort than to tell you to go to google images and search "birdswarm plane".

Unfortunately, though this theory is disproved beyond a shadow of a doubt, this is still a troll win...

...they kept us going for several pages on the idea that birds pushed planes hundreds of miles per hour.  I'm very disappointed in myself. 

This is still idiotic.
The pictures only show that you would be able to see birds around a plane.

That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 16, 2010, 03:08:02 PM

This is still idiotic.
The pictures only show that you would be able to see birds around a plane.

If you were paying attention, you'd find the pictures were answering this.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 16, 2010, 04:04:35 AM

That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

Birds are quite fine with being around planes. It doesn't surprise me though. A few of the birds used to pull planes could have escape and crossbred with other species, instilling in them the instinctual need to be around planes.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 16, 2010, 03:08:02 PM

This is still idiotic.
The pictures only show that you would be able to see birds around a plane.

If you were paying attention, you'd find the pictures were answering this.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on June 16, 2010, 04:37:54 PM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 16, 2010, 03:08:02 PM

This is still idiotic.
The pictures only show that you would be able to see birds around a plane.

If you were paying attention, you'd find the pictures were answering this.

http://www.rif.org/

What part of my post suggested otherwise. Your photos damn your own point. Someone before posed that surely we'd have photographs. it was then said that people couldn't see the birds. therefore with all the pictures we have of south hemispheric flights, and no birds, your theory is debunked. Also, I have a photo with a bunch of people around a boat, does that mean I can prove that people push boats to make them go faster?