How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth

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ClockTower

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #540 on: October 28, 2010, 07:44:50 PM »
Evolution was just Pongo's clever veil of deceit in the OP.
Even Thork called Pongo a liar. Why I am not surprised?

You chide us for taking personal stabs at you while, on the very same page no less, you try and correct others spelling and grammar. That's fine with me, if you cannot argue the topics at hand, I don't mind so much that you derail to spelling. However, you must make damn sure your spelling and grammar is 100% or else you look retarted. Also, "seriously" wasn't mispelled, lrn2meme.
I don't recall chiding you for taking personal stabs at me. "Seriously" was the wrong word. I don't mind trading jabs over spelling and grammar.

I do want to emphasize that even FEers consider you a liar.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #541 on: October 28, 2010, 10:10:49 PM »
Do you have any proofs for these outlandish claims?

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #542 on: October 29, 2010, 12:12:27 AM »
I do want to emphasize that even FEers consider you a liar.

Name two people that support FE and consider Pongo a liar.

Note that just because Thork may have called Pongo a liar, doesn't mean that he actually considers him one.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #543 on: October 29, 2010, 04:12:13 AM »
I don't mean to memberate, but we can we get back on topic or start a new one for this fruitless argument?

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #544 on: October 29, 2010, 04:13:59 AM »
I don't mean to memberate, but we can we get back on topic or start a new one for this fruitless argument?
What topic? It's already pointed out that the shape of the Earth has nothing to do with the birds migration habits and birds don't take the shortest path between two points.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Hessy

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #545 on: October 29, 2010, 04:14:27 AM »
I don't mean to memberate, but we can we get back on topic or start a new one for this fruitless argument?
What topic? It's already pointed out that the shape of the Earth has nothing to do with the birds migration habits and birds don't take the shortest path between two points.

Awesome.  Then let the thread die.

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Thork

Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #546 on: October 29, 2010, 08:02:42 AM »
I do want to emphasize that even FEers consider you a liar.

Name two people that support FE and consider Pongo a liar.

Note that just because Thork may have called Pongo a liar, doesn't mean that he actually considers him one.
At no point did I use the word liar. Deceiving someone does not constitute lying. You may deceive someone by just not giving them all the necessary information and misleading them.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #547 on: October 29, 2010, 01:47:51 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #548 on: October 29, 2010, 02:36:21 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #549 on: October 29, 2010, 04:14:07 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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gotham

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #550 on: October 29, 2010, 04:36:46 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #551 on: October 29, 2010, 04:54:33 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 
And I gave also another look and there is absolutely no evidence for Pongo's OP. Birds don't fly the shortest path from point A to point B. And to that the Pongo's claim relied. That birds somehow want to shorten their trip and fly the shortest path. Fact is, they don't. Birds fly the path which has favorable climate and winds for them and that may take even hundreds of kilometers more flying than the shortest path. So, nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #552 on: October 29, 2010, 05:29:05 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 
You've lost all credibility with this post. Amazing.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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gotham

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #553 on: October 29, 2010, 05:36:50 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 
You've lost all credibility with this post. Amazing.
Not all rulings are popular.  Making the correct read given the evidence is more important. You may win some debates yourself if you keeping reading and learning from the site content.   

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #554 on: October 29, 2010, 05:51:49 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 
You've lost all credibility with this post. Amazing.
Not all rulings are popular.  Making the correct read given the evidence is more important. You may win some debates yourself if you keeping reading and learning from the site content.   
You said that you gave it another look and there was support and Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement. I suppose that you limit this support and burden of proof only with this thread and with peoples speculations. Not any actual observation data or any research. I am correct? Because if you took another look then I would like to see some links to these messages where the burden of proof is met(I actually skipped through these pages and read quickly through only the Pongo's messages and found not one where he "met this burden of proof" or where he elaborated more his claims). And links to some support messages so that I can see what you consider "the support" to be?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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gotham

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #555 on: October 29, 2010, 05:56:14 PM »
If the thread is about completed then it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has been shown to be true.  Putting all bias aside and reading through all 28 pages, this is determined to be the case.  Clearly the OP content has been shown to be well supported.   
I wonder how. Pongo's original statement hasn't got any support with real evidence only by FE'ers who pat in the back and support verbally like "Yes, it's like that", "Yes, it's proven" and nothing more. Yes, you are right about the support part but wrong about being true part. Latter one hasn't got any supportive evidence. So, it is important to understand that Pongo's original statement has failed totally.

I took your advice and gave it another look. If you look through again you will find that the support for Pongo's original statement goes far beyond just words.  Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement and it remains correct. 
You've lost all credibility with this post. Amazing.
Not all rulings are popular.  Making the correct read given the evidence is more important. You may win some debates yourself if you keeping reading and learning from the site content.   
You said that you gave it another look and there was support and Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement. I suppose that you limit this support and burden of proof only with this thread and with peoples speculations. Not any actual observation data or any research. I am correct? Because if you took another look then I would like to see some links to these messages where the burden of proof is met(I actually skipped through these pages and read quickly through only the Pongo's messages and found not one where he "met this burden of proof" or where he elaborated more his claims). And links to some support messages so that I can see what you consider "the support" to be?

Yes it is there in the supporting statements.  I am not going to link each one for you but do look through again at your own pace. 

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #556 on: October 29, 2010, 06:12:25 PM »
You said that you gave it another look and there was support and Pongo has met the burden of proof for his statement. I suppose that you limit this support and burden of proof only with this thread and with peoples speculations. Not any actual observation data or any research. I am correct? Because if you took another look then I would like to see some links to these messages where the burden of proof is met(I actually skipped through these pages and read quickly through only the Pongo's messages and found not one where he "met this burden of proof" or where he elaborated more his claims). And links to some support messages so that I can see what you consider "the support" to be?

Yes it is there in the supporting statements.  I am not going to link each one for you but do look through again at your own pace. 
Sorry, if you only say that then I am supposed to conclude that you didn't look through topic again and just lied about it. I looked itself quickly through and I can't decide which ones you count as supportive because I can't find any data or researches. And because of that I asked from you to show messages that you count as supportive. But as I see you can't do that.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #557 on: October 30, 2010, 12:13:22 AM »


Note carefully the different heights in which birds migrate.  If the earth were round, all birds would fly their great distances as close to the surface as possible as to shorten their journey.  If you were flying on a sphere, the shortest line from point A to point B would be as close to the surface as possible.  However, as you can see, birds have again proven the shape of the earth to be flat in their evolutionary endeavor to conserve energy.  They do not have to worry about altitudes on a flat earth.  The trip will be just as short at any altitude (minus the rises and falls to and from their flight height).




I just want to point out the differences in distance depending upon height.  Traveling 1 complete revolution around the spherical Earth with a diameter of 8000Km (these are not actual values), at ground level assuming a perfectly smooth surface you would have to travel 25,132.74Km, if you were traveling at a height of 30m above the surface (.03Km) you would have to travel 25,132.93Km. 

The difference is less than 1/4 of a Km (around the ENTIRE EARTH), therefore, there is no substantial difference in time especially for birds who migrate only about 1/3 the way around the Earth. 

The above statement should disregarded of validity due to the simple mathematical proofs given.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #558 on: October 30, 2010, 12:50:28 AM »
Awesome.  Then let the thread die.

Impossible. This is one of the most bumped/rezzed threads here.

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #559 on: October 30, 2010, 02:58:43 AM »
 If we are creative and let all other interesting themes to fork out from original idea then this thread can go on forever.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #560 on: October 30, 2010, 11:40:04 AM »
If we are creative and let all other interesting themes to fork out from original idea then this thread can go on forever.

One could say that the thread has evolved. I wouldn't, but one could say that.

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Richard Cranium

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #561 on: October 30, 2010, 10:53:25 PM »
If we are creative and let all other interesting themes to fork out from original idea then this thread can go on forever.

One could say that the thread has evolved. I wouldn't, but one could say that.
Like everything here, it has decomposed into babble about small details, aspects and semantics, as opposed to actually talking about whether the theory is fundamentally sound or not. Like talking about the burden of truth, for instance, instead of that, try this:
The difference in distance would be so small as to be negligible.
Sir, i respectfully think your assertion is false.
And I don't give a god-fucking-damn about the burden of truth, i just think you sort of didn't do any research, or if you did, you have a traumatic brain injury, and you somehow forgot that the evidence was counter to your point, then didn't put it in there anyway, again, due to your traumatic brain injury.  You would need to have memory loss to the extreme for that to be the case. Really, that wouldn't even be that sad, it would just be impressive, like when Baxter ate a whole wheel of cheese in the Anchorman, the Ron Burgundy Story.  I could compare this to the quote that goes something along the lines of 'one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic' which I believe was said by whatshisname mcRussianleaderson. Seriously though, scientists would study you. A person in such a position might be likely to drink a lot of alcohol, because they would drink, find themselves in a bar with no memory of the past, and order another drink due to them not knowing they've already had too many. This kind of issue might be compounded by the memory loss-inducing effects of alcohol. I suppose the worst case scenario might be if you watched a move like Full Metal Jacket, then looked out the window and saw an Asian dude, then strangled him with his own intestines until his eyeballs burst.  Crazy times we live in where a man like you can strangle a Vietnamese immigrant with a part of his own digestive tract and get away with it due to his chronic memory loss. Best case scenario, live life to the fullest because everything's a new experience and you have no stress. I mean, imagine if every bite of every cheeseburger you ever ate tasted like the most delicious, new, hope giving, amazing thing you had ever eaten. I don't even think they should call that memory loss, I think they should call it peace of mind gain.  Unless of course you strangle they guy I buy my opium from with his own intestines, in which case I would call it freedom loss.  And for me, opium loss.  Poppy needs his opium. ZING!
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #562 on: October 31, 2010, 07:51:02 PM »
I didn't really understand that rant, but I thoughly enjoyed it.

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zork

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #563 on: October 31, 2010, 10:32:14 PM »
I didn't really understand that rant, but I thoughly enjoyed it.
thoughly? I see that you evolve your dictionary also.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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EnglshGentleman

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #564 on: October 31, 2010, 11:04:54 PM »
I didn't really understand that rant, but I thoughly enjoyed it.
thoughly? I see that you evolve your dictionary also.

Envy.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #565 on: November 01, 2010, 05:55:26 PM »
well, if the earth is round, doesnt it mean its easier to go up and down anyways? becuase then you go straight to the warmer areas during migration.  regardless on wheater this is fe or re, it is the easiest path to go to warmer climates
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Pongo

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #566 on: November 01, 2010, 09:49:45 PM »
well, if the earth is round, doesnt it mean its easier to go up and down anyways? becuase then you go straight to the warmer areas during migration.  regardless on wheater this is fe or re, it is the easiest path to go to warmer climates

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #567 on: November 02, 2010, 09:52:49 AM »
This has probably been said a lot before, but oh well: evolution isn't for ease, it's for survival.
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #568 on: November 02, 2010, 10:49:23 AM »
Not to mention taking the "shortest" path still puts the birds in a position with little or no supply of food, shelter or places to rest. Unless of course your migratory birds have taken a liking to not eating and falling into the ocean from exhaustion...
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vhu9644

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #569 on: November 02, 2010, 11:25:56 PM »
what i mean to say is if you have a sphere, the easiest path (not saying birds take this path) would still be up and down for climate.

 i know what evolution does, and birds favor winds that allow them to USE LESS ENERGY! and that im pretty sure they understand that the shortest path may not be the one of least energy.  imagine if you are flying the shortest path against a 50mph wind, or going a slightly longer path wih 50mph wind pushing you at the same time.  animals are not that simple, and bird migration needs to account for food, water, energy, rest, and speed
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